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Posted: Tue, 16th Aug 2005, 2:40pm

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GreManz

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Hi.

I use the AlamDV2 demo. I like it. In fact, I would love to download new contect from this website. But I can't. Why? Well, becouse I have no magic code. And apperently, I wont be able to buy the software anymore. Wich sucks, really. No, I don't want EffectssLab, I want Alam.

Why in gods name do you STILL need to log in to be able to download effects for AlamDV? You can't buy the program, and you won't be able to download. My question is simple; WTF?

*running around and screaming in frustration*
Posted: Tue, 16th Aug 2005, 2:53pm

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jotoki

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well you've been on here for over a year and details of effects lab have been around for a long time, you had plenty of time to buy it. Time moves on and so do applications. Effectslab is far superior to AlamDV2. Software gets discontinued all the time when it's replaced and Alam is no different. You seem to expect to get stuff for free. Bad luck that you missed the deadline but in the end there has been plenty of warning about Alam being replaced and you joined the forum in 2004 so you should have bought earlier. Pity for you but something to learn for the future I guess
Posted: Tue, 16th Aug 2005, 3:26pm

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GreManz

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I still don't understand the discussion. If the product has expired, why not offer the additional content, created by the members themselves, for free?
Posted: Tue, 16th Aug 2005, 3:37pm

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Arktic

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Because, among other things, AlamDV2 is no longer a supported program - it would be too difficult to offer tech support for AlamDV2 as well as for EL and Chromanator.

And anyway, you get all the benefits of AlamDV2 plus much, much, much more with EL. I don't understand why you don't just buy EL - unless you're just trying to get something for nothing?
Posted: Tue, 16th Aug 2005, 3:57pm

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GreManz

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"unless you're just trying to get something for nothing?"

Well, I downloaded the EffectsLab demo and I can honestly say that I really didn't like the interface. It's probaly a great program, yes, but what I like with AlamDV is the simple but still pretty advanced functions that are available.

I still don't understand why the downloads are locked with magic code if you are'nt supporting the software anyway? (sorry for my bad english)
Posted: Tue, 16th Aug 2005, 4:01pm

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Arktic

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I still don't understand why the downloads are locked with magic code if you are'nt supporting the software anyway?
Because the best of the plugins are still being offered with the current version of EL - they are to be converted to stock footage, and will be available from FXVault.
Posted: Tue, 16th Aug 2005, 4:09pm

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Joshua Davies

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Downloads cost us money - its called bandwidth and we pay it every month.

This bandwidth is part of what people pay for when they buy our programs - therefore only people who own our program get to take advantage of our bandwidth.

At one stage, when the site was still AlamDV.com, we used to have an open plugin section (when there were only a few hundred plugins) and 90% of our bandwidth was used by people who didn't own the software or who had illegal versions - this cost us a lot of money.

If we were to open it up again now the site is vastly more popular it could cost us hundreds or maybe thousands of dollars in bandwidth.
Posted: Tue, 16th Aug 2005, 4:32pm

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GreManz

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so the only option for me and my friends is to buy EL and, hopefully, get some working plugins for AlamDV?

or maybe pray on my bare knees and hope that some old member let me download from his account.

or, seach for pirated material. guess that's the only options I have atm.
Posted: Tue, 16th Aug 2005, 4:34pm

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Simon K Jones

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Any user that lets you use their account will have their account and program keys invalidated. So it would be a rather foolish thing to do, on their part.
Posted: Tue, 16th Aug 2005, 5:24pm

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Harvey

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Maybe it's just that I've used EffectsLab longer than AlamDV2 but to me EL is much easier to use than AD2. Also EL is much, much more powerful and can do a lot more than AD2. If I were you I would buy EL.
Posted: Tue, 16th Aug 2005, 6:04pm

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sk8npirate

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Its pointless because you can use all of the old alamdv plugins with effects lab.
Posted: Sun, 11th Sep 2005, 6:01pm

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rdelavega

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sk8npirate wrote:

Its pointless because you can use all of the old alamdv plugins with effects lab.
Please tell me how to use those old but great plugins from ALamdv in EL.
Thanks a lot
Posted: Sun, 11th Sep 2005, 6:09pm

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Mellifluous

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You convert them to stock footage - .mov files
Posted: Sun, 11th Sep 2005, 7:16pm

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rdelavega

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Mellifluous wrote:

You convert them to stock footage - .mov files
But..how? - There's this plugin of a pair of wings...how would you turn this into stock footage then give them some tweaking and put them behind your actor?

hmmmm...project shadows maybe? ....
Posted: Mon, 12th Sep 2005, 12:36am

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Wizard

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rdelavega wrote:

There's this plugin of a pair of wings...how would you turn this into stock footage
There are various ways that are mentioned through out these forums, if you would prefer, I can go find a couple of posts regarding how to do this. For now, I am just going to give you a quick re-cap of those posts. Many suggest using your "NLE" (Non-Linear-Editor). You would simply have to import each image into your time line, then save as a QuickTime.MOV file format (this is the only format accepted by EffectsLab Dv as stock media). This can be tricky when figuring out the correct frame rate to set for each image (how quickly each frame "plays"), so you will have to test with that.

Another method is using Chromanator. You will first need to remove the folder that contains the images from the plug-in folder (this is usually called Vc1. There may be more depending on the plug-in.) Put this folder in an "easy to find" location (Desktop). Start a new project in Chromanator just as you would do normally. Look to the right, and locate "Media List", just as you would do to import a movie file.

Instead of selecting "Import Media" you want to select "Import Image Stream". Locate the folder that contains the image files, then open it (import). Drag it to the desired point in your time line, and then render in the appropriate QuickTime file format. You may also have to play around with frame rate using this method as well.

One other method that I know of makes use of AlamDv2. Import a film strip (movie) of just black frames, and make sure it is at least the length of the effect you are converting. Now, select your effect, and place it were you want it to be on the black frames. Now render as QuickTime, and it should now be ready for use as stock footage. There are certain codec’s that you can select from in AlamDv2 that will not be accepted by EffectsLab Dv; so if you encounter a problem with your first converted plug-in, try using a different codec (Example: QuickTime Dv-Pal).

Note: There are problematic areas with each of the methods suggested above. Try each method to find out which is best for you, and the plug-in you are converting. If you require more details, or need any help, I would be happy to post the links that cover doing this, and you can feel free to private message me if you like. For a more pleasent experience, it may also be a good idea to not attempt converting any non-light based plug-ins, unless you are aware of the problem that will ensue, and are capable of retaining/adding an alpha channel.

Edit:

rdelavega wrote:

...then give them some tweaking and put them behind your actor?
If you are familiar with masking, you would simply have to place a mask over your Stock Media in the appropriate area. If you are not familiar with masking, you should read the "Quickstart", and the full length manuals. Those should provide you with a more then adequate answer.

Happy converting.
Wizard.
Posted: Mon, 12th Sep 2005, 12:48am

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Serpent

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Wizard, you are really on a roll. Nice posts recently. +1 You have broken up a lot of confusion among users that have many questions.
Posted: Mon, 12th Sep 2005, 12:58am

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Wizard

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Thanks for the kind words Serpent. You aren't so bad yourself lol. Although I enjoy helping members, regardless of whether or not I am thanked, it is still very pleasant to receive some form of commendation from time to time, and I appreciate that.

Thanks again.
Wizard.
Posted: Mon, 12th Sep 2005, 4:16am

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rdelavega

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Wizard wrote:

............
Wiz, you are very kind, thanks for taking the time.
Posted: Mon, 12th Sep 2005, 4:31am

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Wizard

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rdelavega wrote:

Wiz, you are very kind, thanks for taking the time.
You are absolutely welcome rdelavega. I hope you find one of those methods of some use. Good luck converting your plug-in, and any other future plug-ins for that matter.

Have a great day.
Wizard.
Posted: Mon, 12th Sep 2005, 9:15pm

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The Wizard scores again! +1!
Posted: Sat, 17th Sep 2005, 1:47pm

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buggz

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Thanks for the info. I was beginning to think that since I purchased EffectsLab as the preview release, I was out of luck with trying out the old AlamDV plugins. I wish I would have purchased AlamDV2 while they were offering the free upgrade. At least I would have access to the AlamDV2 program while waiting for the full release of EffectsLab. For some reason, I thought the AlamDV plugins would be directly compatible with EffectsLab.
Posted: Sat, 17th Sep 2005, 2:20pm

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Wizard

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buggz wrote:

For some reason, I thought the AlamDV plugins would be directly compatible with EffectsLab.
Yes, this is a common miss conception among users, and is easy to understand. Many members have the belief that because EffectsLab Dv is called the AlamDv2 "upgrade", that it will share the same functions (making use of plug-ins).

Although it is definitely an amelioration of AlamDv2, it is actually an entirely new program. As said before, with EffectsLab Dv you have the ability to create many of the effects that were plug-ins, instead of placing pre-made effects onto your footage. This gives you the advantage of being able to change what you may not have liked about some of the effects, and therefore, finally having the opportunity to create them exactly how you want them to be.

If you like being capable of using the plug-ins as stock media, but do not like the idea of having to convert them yourself, then you may like to know (if you do not already) that the majority of the plug-ins will be converted for you in the future, and supplied in the "FxVault".

When I say the majority, I am implying that mainly the more commonly used, and higher quality plug-ins will be converted. However, if there is a specific plug-in that you are looking to have converted, I am sure (not positive, but I assume) you can make a request, and possibly have it converted, then added to the "vault".

buggz wrote:

Thanks for the info.
You are welcome.
Wizard.