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Posted: Sat, 20th Aug 2005, 2:28pm

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after seeing the 3d cgi ship in duck dodgers i wanted the program they used it is the only program that can make duck dodgers ship on other programs is complcated or impossible all i know is it was made by Liquid animation does anybody know the program they used?
Posted: Sat, 20th Aug 2005, 3:04pm

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Really...

You could use almost any program to make a ship very similar to "Duck Dodger's" ship.

Maybe Animation Master could do such a thing(thats what i have)because it hasa toon render that makes it look like a cartoon/cell animation(i think thats what its called...)

Heres a link to there website....www.hash.com

I hope this helps you....Remember use google beefore asking questions in the forum...
Posted: Sat, 20th Aug 2005, 3:22pm

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i mean his new ship not the 50s also i mean softwere that isent expensivehttp://www.liquidanimation.com/
Posted: Sat, 20th Aug 2005, 3:43pm

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Thats the lowest costing program that is acctually really good type of program i have seen IN MY LIFE...

heres a link to what i think you might be wanting to do...

Right here
Posted: Sat, 20th Aug 2005, 3:50pm

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are you rich? cos it say 299 dollars
Posted: Sat, 20th Aug 2005, 4:01pm

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No...

If i were rich i would be using MAYA which cost about $2000

You must be new to 3d animation...

$300 is nothing when it comes to a good animation program...

I acctaully bought mine for only $200 so really its not that bad...

lemme tell you a big tip about movie making...

IT COSTS MONEY AND ABOUT ALL OF YOUR LIFE

Thats why George Lucas idnt going to make anymore StarWars movies(There were supposed to be 9) It takes too much of his life up...

Thats also one of the reasons there was such a huge gap of time between The Phantom Menace and Return of the Jedi...
Posted: Sat, 20th Aug 2005, 7:17pm

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ok but the duck dodgers softwere dosent look really good on the liquid animation site you can see clips of it and you can plainly see that its CGI here is a pic http://www.liquidanimation.com/popups/images.htm?image=duckDodge_08.jpg&w=559&h=412
Posted: Sat, 20th Aug 2005, 8:12pm

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i use cinema 4d

i dont know if they used that but, i think it is one of the most consumer friendly products at the moment

try reading some tutorials
Posted: Sat, 20th Aug 2005, 8:17pm

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i considered 4d but i need a program that can do light effects glow effect textures moving parts lazer effects cone shapes and explosions like these

http://www.liquidanimation.com/popups/video.htm?duckDodgers.mov

http://www.liquidanimation.com/popups/video.htm?duckDodgers2.mov
Posted: Sat, 20th Aug 2005, 8:40pm

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I've got Realsoft 3D free with a magazine; 3D World it only costs 15 euro confused

And you get Maya Personal Learning edition also free with it !

These guy's R f*kn awesome biggrin


RRF Productions
Posted: Sat, 20th Aug 2005, 8:49pm

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can you download it from their site?
Posted: Sat, 20th Aug 2005, 8:52pm

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I don't think so, they have bought the rights to sell their magazine better.
So I don't think the will put it free on their site.

I'll watch for you if you can still order that magazine.

brb
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Alright, I don't think you can buy older magazines.
But you can go watching in a store for magazines, papers and such

But although I've find something interesting,

Computer Arts tutorials
There are 18 pages with on each 8 tutorials !!! (edit: note: much of them are 2 bad not for free, 99 pence)

and also there are very much free downloads

Computer Arts downloads

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Posted: Sat, 20th Aug 2005, 8:57pm

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ive sent an email to the multimedia director at liquid animations if he responds he'll tell me the program they used
Posted: Mon, 22nd Aug 2005, 12:01pm

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he responded! its 3D MAX
Posted: Mon, 22nd Aug 2005, 2:22pm

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bat25 wrote:

ive sent an email to the multimedia director at liquid animations if he responds he'll tell me the program they used
Trying to imitate a specific studio exactly is the wrong path to go with 3d. There are several great 3d modelling and animating programs out there and you'd be a fool to limit yourself to just one of them because of what someone else uses. Try them all, and find which you prefer. Mesh modelling is something that is in a sense, universal.
Posted: Mon, 22nd Aug 2005, 3:38pm

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it sent foolish its not just cos they use it its a professonal program
Posted: Mon, 22nd Aug 2005, 5:09pm

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Unintelligible.
Posted: Mon, 22nd Aug 2005, 5:39pm

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But many 3d applications are professional programs, all capable of doing the same thing just with different tools. I suspect that at some very base level you just totally don't understand 3d and desire tools which people use because you presume them to be the best. Which IS foolish.
Posted: Mon, 22nd Aug 2005, 6:25pm

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i get the feeling you guys dont like me
Posted: Mon, 22nd Aug 2005, 6:41pm

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bat25 wrote:

i get the feeling you guys dont like me
We're just trying to educate you, nothing to do with our opinion of you - as none of us know you.
Posted: Mon, 22nd Aug 2005, 7:43pm

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i am new to 3d animation by the way but still 3d max looks like it can do what i need
Posted: Mon, 22nd Aug 2005, 8:08pm

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The point we are trying to make is that virtually all 3D rendering programs can do the Duck Dodgers type cartoon shading not just Max, I use Cinema 4D all the time to do it. Duck Dodgers could easily have been done with Maya, Lightwave, Cinema 4D etc, the hard part is knowing the software well enough to use it.

The important thing to understand is that whatever program you choose you will have to learn how to create the objects, backgrounds, animate them and place the virtual camera in the right location. None of this has been automated, the user has to do all of it.

Maybe you should ask liquid how many people they use to animate one episode, and how long each episode takes to make to give some idea of the time and work involved.

I've had C4D for three years, and I know I've still got loads to learn, C4D is one of the easier 3d programs to learn, almost certainly easier that Max.

All the major 3D applications have free downloads for demo versions of their software on their websites, or even free copies of older versions on magazine cover disk if your lucky, try them out. You mght be a natural or you might find it stops you being creative only practice can tell.

If you can draw great characters but cant animate, find an animator online who cant draw to animate for you. He/she will appreciate the chance to animate original characters/vehicles etc and you still get to see your ideas come to life.

Don't get frustrated because 3D is difficult, believe me it's difficult for everyone in the begining, Google is your friend, seaching for Tutorials for your favourite application is one way to find the site that makes the process make sense for you.

Good luck with trying out all that software.
Posted: Mon, 22nd Aug 2005, 8:13pm

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I would have to say any animation program could really do what you want it to...You just gotta know how to use it...I say that Cinema 4d(Even though I believe Animation Master is much better) might be the way to go...One thing it has as an advantage over Animation Master are the plugins which to my knowlege are VERY usefull...Just because a program has a feature you like doesnt make it good...Thats pretty much buying an album with only one song you like.

I hope you make a good desision which program you might buy...AND I STILL HIGHYLY SUGGEST ANIMATION MASTER(even though I just said I thought Cinema 4d would be the way to go...rofl)
Posted: Mon, 22nd Aug 2005, 8:43pm

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Having just watched Hash.coms sample Animation Master tutorials, I have to agree with swg33k, that is the most suitable program for what it appears you want to do.
Posted: Mon, 22nd Aug 2005, 9:40pm

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Yea!! Some ones on my side!!

LOL thanks for checking it out Cheevy!
Posted: Mon, 22nd Aug 2005, 9:43pm

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i dont mean animating a cartoon i mean animating cgi
Posted: Mon, 22nd Aug 2005, 9:54pm

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CGI means computer generated Image, it's not specific to either 2d or 3d.
Posted: Mon, 22nd Aug 2005, 10:13pm

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well i mean 3d
Posted: Mon, 22nd Aug 2005, 10:23pm

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If you want 2d you can just make a 3d model and render in 2d...pretty much no matter what you have both...If you get Animation Master that is...-.-
Posted: Mon, 22nd Aug 2005, 10:29pm

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i dont know if 3d max can do that
Posted: Mon, 22nd Aug 2005, 11:27pm

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Before you even think about spending money on a 3D program I strongly suggest that you listen to the advice you're being given. You seem determined to use 3DS Max because it was used in some film that you're trying to emulate - BIG MISTAKE. If you buy Max then you won't be disappointed, it will do almost anything you could ever want it to one way or the other but it seems foolish to go for it just because someone else did. 99% of the result depends on the artist, not the program.

Whichever program you choose there is no way you will be able to replicate the stuff in those clips for quite some time, choosing a "professional" program will not speed up this process of make it any easier until you get into the more advanced stages of learning. Forget 3DS Max for now and just try some basic tutes in Blender or something to get a feel for 3D. Mmmm'kay?
Posted: Mon, 22nd Aug 2005, 11:27pm

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bat25, what kind of animation do you want to make?












Edited to cut out duplicated jibber jabber.
Posted: Tue, 23rd Aug 2005, 11:54am

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theres a link to some videos of them on the first page of the topic and i'm not completly new to 3d animation i've used openFX and Ac3d
Posted: Tue, 23rd Aug 2005, 11:57am

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theres a link to some videos of them on the first page of the topic and i'm not completly new to 3d animation i've used openFX and Ac3d
Posted: Tue, 23rd Aug 2005, 12:35pm

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bat25 wrote:

i am new to 3d animation by the way but still 3d max looks like it can do what i need
uh huh...your not new but right here you just said it...

Really you should consider our advice...If your not going to listen to us then why did you post this forum?

Were not trying to be mean...We are trying to help you...

Its like when a teacher gets mad at one of her students because hes not listening...Shes not being mean when she says to listen...Shes trying to help him....
Posted: Tue, 23rd Aug 2005, 3:36pm

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Yes, Mr. swg33k....

JKjk


Try Blender. What do you have to lose. You shud see some of the stuff people have done with it. Job knows some website of an artist who does AMAZING stuff with Blender. Try it. It's fun and FREE!
Posted: Tue, 23rd Aug 2005, 5:00pm

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im not new to it but i'm not an expert and i know you are trying to help me