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It's Finally Here. New Film: The Hit (Now With Quicktime)

What rating would this Movie have if it was in the cinema?

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Posted: Sat, 3rd Sep 2005, 9:40pm

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Rating: +5

Yeah, We're finally done. SO, Go Ahead and take a look and Give some feedback!

6 minutes, WMV 84MB

http://www.archive.org/download/TheHit/The_Hit.avi

6 Minutes, MOV 32MB (For the sake of quality, download the WMV if you can, The color grading looks pretty bad in the quicktime version..)

http://www.archive.org/download/TheHit_0/The_Hit.mov


As you can tell, I'm not a fan of sacrificing quality. So I've decided to release the WMV abit bigger than some might like.

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Posted: Sat, 3rd Sep 2005, 9:43pm

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Bryce007 wrote:

Yeah, We're finally done. SO, Go Ahead and take a look and Give some feedback!



http://www.archive.org/download/TheHit/The_Hit.avi
Yikes! 84 MB! Perhaps a format, length, and size text would be nice.
Posted: Sat, 3rd Sep 2005, 9:56pm

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OK I take that back.

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Posted: Sat, 3rd Sep 2005, 10:15pm

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84mb for 6 minutes....no thank you.
Just watched it. Yes, worth it, definately.

One of the best short action films I've seen on FXHome, awesome, Bryce.

5/5. Near-flawless editing and visionary cinematography, this is a must-watch for all FXHomers. Grading and quality was superb, and the last shot on the train was something not even some Hollywood directors could perfect. Definately worth downloading. My only, ONLY suggestions/flaws that I can find are that
1.) The acting could be a slight bit better, but it is understandibly sub-par.
2.) While all the shots worked perfectly in unison, not that many are necessary in the beginning, when having your actor walking up, as you loose a sense of place and direction when too many cuts are made. Something I constantly have to tell Ben, let the camera be. (Although from the middle-on the cuts were not only necessary but, well......awesomely cool.)

Again, I can't say it enough, definately worth watching. Like passing up Art of the Saber or BRUK!

(But Bryce, you might want to retract that comment about broadband. Not that many people have/can afford it. Heck, I know we couldn't until last year. We didn't even have it.)
Posted: Sat, 3rd Sep 2005, 10:53pm

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Wow, that was great. Definitely worth the download. 5/5 and I agree with everything that Atom said. Great job Bryce.
Posted: Sat, 3rd Sep 2005, 11:02pm

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84mb isn't that bad for 6 minutes. Though it could be a bit smaller.

Downloading now.
Posted: Sat, 3rd Sep 2005, 11:17pm

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WOW! I just finished watching this and it is the best film I have seen on FxHome yet. Never once did I want it to end or felt like it was dragging on. The cinematography was incredible. Those shots were so beautifully put together I just don't know how to describe it. Things I would have never thought of doing you did and it meshed perfectly. Incredible work 5/5.
Posted: Sat, 3rd Sep 2005, 11:45pm

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Holy.
Crap.
Man.
Wow.

Well now I can see why you're so critical of others films on here- you have the right to, because you films rock. Whew! Awesome movie, man!

The editing as far as pacing and composition was good, but editing in reference to how and where you used different angles was a little off. All angles were good, so I'm assuming you decided to use them all. Whilst everything looked good, the angles switched around a tad faster than they maybe should've. That's my only complaint.

Other than that: PURE AWESOMENESS!

I think we think the same, my SC remake has a look similar to this.

A well deserved 5/5, man, and bravo.

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Posted: Sat, 3rd Sep 2005, 11:45pm

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Very nice. Well edited, well acted, and nicely paced. What sort of grading did you do? Did you drop some RedGiant Filmlook filters onto that? It's very filmic. I did have one logic issue with the hit man. He had the advantage with his sniper rifle so why exactly did he give that up and run into harms way. Despite that, excellent. I like how you composited your lead onto the train in the end. Did any of the railroad people give you any shit for running so close to the train. I doubt they even saw it that far back. Keep 'em comin.

As for the large size download, I couldn't agree with you more. I'd rather have five people watch my short at best quality than 1,000 and have it look like crap, especially considering all of the time and effort you put in to this. I do this for a hobby so I don't really care how many people see my junk, but I guess if you are looking for a wide audience you might need to provide lower-res versions.

Wow, this site has one intelligent censoring agent. I wrote 'sh*t' and when I Previewed before posting it changed it to 'poo.' Wild man.
Posted: Sat, 3rd Sep 2005, 11:48pm

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Yeah, Magic bullet editors was used, With customized settings. And We didn't ask anybody about any of that train stuff really.

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Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005, 12:37am

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Wow, that was perfect in every way except some visual effects (like the helicopters' animation and some muzzle flashes)... framing was very very good and grading was awesome. What camera was this filmed with? Also, what did you do to the footage exactly?

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Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005, 12:38am

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Panasonic DV100a and some Sony DCR something. It says at the end of the credits!
Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005, 12:39am

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Oops, didn't notice smile
Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005, 12:40am

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sony vx2100
Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005, 12:48am

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Did you do anything else than up the contrast and change colour (like apply some odd Magic Bullet filters)?
Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005, 12:59am

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The film was graded completely in magic bullet editors for Vegas. No preset was used, Just Our custom made one. Mainly, it was contrast and saturation. there were other things like tinting and brightness as well.
Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005, 3:51am

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Incredibly awesome. A great short. Much better than the Transporter 2 which I also saw tonight(which was very entertaining buy the way).
Cinematography was great, so was grading and editing. I cant wait to see more! The effects were cool. Especially the shell ejecting from the rifle. Excuse me now, im going to go watch it again!
Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005, 4:20am

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Hey, I have a question. On some of the action or running shots, the framerate slows and the results is overly jittery playback (as in droppped frames, not camera vibration) is this from converting to 24p or something? Because if it can be fixed, it needs to be.
Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005, 4:49am

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That was really kool, good job.
Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005, 5:50am

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Yes, I'm aware of the framerate issues, but since this wasn't really as big of film as others coming up will be, i've figured i may as well let them go. I'm actually unsure of how it happened, but fixing it would require a entire re-edit of the movie, which, as i said, considering upcoming projects i have in line, wouldn't be worth the time i need for other projects.
Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005, 7:37am

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10 points out of 5.

Uploading it to my PSP right now.
Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005, 2:02pm

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Hi!

I'd really like to watch this. Is it possible for a Mac compatible version? Or if there is a way to play this type of encoded file (I have tried MPlayer, etc) I'd appreciate the advice.

Thanks
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Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005, 2:05pm

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.. could'nt see it, could you make a quicktime version?

and yes i tried VLC (sound worked) and windowmediaplayer <-- which sucks incredibly.
Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005, 2:17pm

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Hey, thanks for your pm about this Bryce.

Great work all round, with good photography, editing and effects.

I thought the fast cuts were fine - in an actioner, you need tons of angles and fast cuts and it's better to have too much than too many, which could mean the pace is really plodding.

You had me hooked from the start because of the train, which looked awesome, and the parallel cutting you did to the car with the overhead noise of the train. I liked what you did there. Heh, funny "FILMMAKR" number plate by the way.

Photography looked great, liked the raw locations and the shots in the field with the hi-res wavy grass...gorgeous. Nice pace to the shots, they had a flowing feel to them rather than being too shaky, and it matched the feel of the film.

Effects were cool and well done, with nice 3d bullets, helicopters and some sweet compositing in the man on train shot.

Story: I'm not sure whether I'm interpreting it wrong in comparison with others, but my impression is that the guy in the field in balaclava is not the hitman, but a swat guard or something. The hitman is actually the guy with yellow hair, thus giving a twist, and explains why guy in balaclava leaves field and tries to stop him. And this explains why yellow haired guy listens to the earpiece, hears back-up is coming and makes good his escape. Correct me if I'm wrong. If I'm right, then maybe the story is unclear and you have to let people see yellow haired guy actually pull the trigger.

Anyway, very good work, it has a very pro feel and from trailers I've seen from other stuff you've done you're good at actioners, really look forward to seeing more of your work...keep it up - but then again I know you will smile
Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005, 2:31pm

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5/5 Superb job. One question when the terrorist was shot did you use effectslab for that if so how did you do it?
Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005, 2:33pm

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Hey Bryce!

Got your PM - would love to watch it and giv eyou comments as requested but it will not play on a Mac.
Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005, 4:00pm

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You should add this to the cinema. Oh, and I got your PM. smile
Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005, 4:08pm

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Yeah, you really should. And why didn't I get a PM?
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Now I'm gonna go cry in a corner.
Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005, 4:11pm

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I got PM'ed lol
ya but hey did you guys know he is redoing my k-text movie!
i am so excited to see it when he is done!
well ill post about the movie once i watch it wink
Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005, 4:14pm

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I got PMed too. Awesome. I am one of the elite.
Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005, 4:58pm

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is there a way to watch this thing without downloading it?
Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005, 5:14pm

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I must stink then, I got no PM frown

Frozenpede - uhh... imagination?
Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005, 5:28pm

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um i need a mac version it seems not to work. so can you get it in a .mov or .mpg because all i see is a white screen. thank you
Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005, 10:40pm

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pooky wrote:

I must stink then, I got no PM frown

Frozenpede - uhh... imagination?
Damn, I think u and me..we belong in the LOSER CORNER ! I also didnt get one :'(

Anyways, I thought it was quite nice..reminded kinda of "Transporter" because of the car scene in the beginning, and because of the short cuts.
The story, didnt really understand it, but who cares, it was really awesome, great flawless action. Not bad at all...yet, I dont think that this is THE best fxhome movie...sorry, but You are definately Top10 dude!

4/5

Cheers,
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Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005, 10:56pm

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Well, As per request, I'll put it up in quicktime format for all the MAChead's here, IF someone can tell me what compression settings look the best, Because for some reason, I couldn't seem to get decent results with sorenson 3 or otherwise that actually looked good AND was a similar file size



As for Blood Effects, All of them were done by "Filmmakerfinley", And I'm pretty sure they were done Frame by frame. Most of the 3D work was done in Cinema 4D.
Posted: Mon, 5th Sep 2005, 12:31am

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I got a PM from filmmakerfinley saying "So did you download it?" but i didn't know what he was talking about.

Turns out I did download this, and it didn't play, because of my mac. Anticipating the Quicktime version.
Posted: Mon, 5th Sep 2005, 1:32am

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I want to start by saying thank you for informing me, by means of private message, that your movie is now complete. I have been looking forward to seeing this since you posted your first trailer not too long ago, so I appreciate that.

I made a comment to you a while back about how I believe this movie is worthy of receiving its own time slot on an independent film channel. Well, I meant what I said, and after watching the full version, I stand by that statement. The music was well chosen, well placed, and really helped set the feel of the movie. I also like how you incorporated the use of a train for this film. I think it added to the realism, and helped make the movie appear to be on a greater scale, and not amateur in anyway.

I know that you do not like to sacrifice quality for download time, and I respect that. It was definitely worth the eighty four megabytes to watch a movie with that kind of picture quality. Your use of C.G.I. in this movie was well done, and for the most part, seamless. The camera shake was a nice touch, and helped give the illusion that the character was actually climbing a train in motion.

Although I really enjoyed your effects, this is a learning process, so I will point out one small detail that caught my eye. Adding computer generated damage to objects can be a very taxing job; I think you did it very well. However, because you used CGI, you left a big opportunity for inconsistency.

When the truck was shot multiple times, the windows were shown as damaged, one even completely blown out (I believe). Shortly after this damage is caused, the two characters are now moving around each other, using the truck for cover. This gives the perfect vantage point to view the truck in an un-damaged state. I realize that it would be hard to keep the damage consistent in every one of those shots, especially with the actors crossing the path of the camera so many times. I also acknowledge that you are not about to actually damage a truck so extensively, for a little bit more consistency in a six minute film.

I am just mentioning this for you to consider the next time you attempt a similar effect, and it, in no way, ruined the movie for me. It just may have been a good idea to keep the windows, and some of the damaged areas of the sides, out of the following scenes.

The gun shot to the head of the individual in the balaclava was done very well also, but I am pretty sure there would be more damage to the back of the head, and in turn, more blood coming out of the back of the head, and less out of the front. My understanding of ballistics is that area around where the entry occurs is rather un-touched. This does depend on the bullet, but it seems most likely with a hunting rifle. Still very well done, and looked quite realistic.

To sum it up, there wasn't a single thing that I did not like about this movie. You even had an interesting way of fading to credits, which I liked very much. If this were in the cinema, I would be giving this a five out of five.

You should be pleased with this.
Wizard.
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Dang it I didn't get pm'ed *whimper* O well the movie still kicked ace
Posted: Mon, 5th Sep 2005, 8:58am

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Thanks everyone, I appreciate the good response. As i said before, I'll be sure to upload a mac version, if someone can tell me What the best compression that still retains visual quality is using .MOV or .MPG.

To answer some other questions...'



I have had other people on other forums mention the fact that the SUV doesn't retain damage while the fight plays out. reason being, In the original script i had written, I failed to think about the consequences of there being a the SUV in the backround during the prescripted fight plans i had planned in my head, because After planning all of these action sequences, i guess i just missed that. Thus, After thinking about it later, I thought It wouldn't be a huge issue, as this was mainly meant as a quick and flowing "Actioner" that people wouldn't pause to notice the backround deficiencys...Apparently, You guys are sharper than expected.


The Headshot was much debated, and in the end, I liked the front gush instead of the back gush, because it ended up looking like rain or a garden hose, so, we stuck with the front.


I really hope this isn't considered similar to the transporter 2, because that movie had some really great fight scenes, but there were some real stinkers in there.


But let me assure you all, The K-text remake is going to kick this movies ass in many, many ways. I currently finishing writing it, and i think if you liked this abit, you will like K-text remade even more.

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Posted: Mon, 5th Sep 2005, 10:27am

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Bryce007 wrote:


I really hope this isn't considered similar to the transporter 2, because that movie had some really great fight scenes, but there were some real stinkers in there.
Well, I just said it reminded me of transporter 2, because of the great action and the fast-cuts. You are right, there were a lot of cheesy things in the transporter...but I didnt say, that you had cheesy things in your movie....
Only those 2 Aspects reminded me of The Transporter....

Cheers,
d.
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YAY! go K-text Retold! i am so excited!
but i still cant wait for mac users to be able to watch "the Hit"
Bryce007 your my Hero, and i feel honered that you realy want to redo K-text. THOSE of you have not seen K-text go check it out
http://fxhome.com/cinema/info_cache/movieinfo1494.html
the same idea but Bryce is going to make it FREAKING AWSOME!
good luck wink
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All the cool kids who didn't get PMs can come over to my house and we can laugh at the mac users who can't watch it.
Posted: Mon, 5th Sep 2005, 4:44pm

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JohnCarter wrote:

Hey Bryce!

Got your PM - would love to watch it and giv eyou comments as requested but it will not play on a Mac.
Same here. (Haha I got a PM)
Posted: Mon, 5th Sep 2005, 8:05pm

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Try this...

VIDEO:
Settings -- Quality - Medium
Motion - Keyfram at every 1000 frames.
Filter -- None
Size -- 320x240

SOUND:
Compressor -- MPEG-4 Audio Rate at 48.000kHz

PREPARE FOR INTERNET STREAMING:
Select fast start.

Then ya export. Hope that helps man.

You might be able to put the quality on high if u want. I'll download it either way because I want to see this.
Posted: Mon, 5th Sep 2005, 9:06pm

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Thank Cx, I'll try those out. Mac version on its way. It might be abit bigger than the wmv, but not by too much...

also, I hope my critisism of movie made by certain people (*cough Evman, etc.. *cough*) doesn't cause them to not check this out based on comments i had made a while back on one of they're movies...
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In regard to the Bohemian Rhapsody thread I wrote:

blaine wrote:

Ohh dont be sad jetaimaster its judt a bad movie, its oky if you trashed a good song



and your right sidewinder, this is fun
That crap that blaine wrote isn't criticism, it's outright insult and blatant meanness. Doing something like what blaine did is just unaccpetable and unforgivable. I cannot even imagine what thoughts must be running through jetaimaster's head now. People on FXHome who seem to pawn people's feelings for their own enjoyment- most notably orion0340, Bryce007, and blaine- are peole just insecure about themselves, trying to gain some self esteem through others' failures. I would recommend disregarding anything either of these individuals says, as they are oftentimes hurtful and biased.
Man, those were the days.

Bryce, I think you've gotten less critical and more constructive, which is really admirable. Bravo.

Oh, and don't worry, even those of us whose movies you heavily criticized....

Bryce007, in regard to my Matrix movie from a while ago wrote:

i'll just go right into it...

the good:

nothing.

the bad: editing.

the ugly: The worst compression ive seen on this site (especially for the size), yet ANOTHER matrix fan film featuring guys with mop haircuts showing off there new airsoft guns, the extremely crappy spiderman trailer announcer.


Also, you said you put those sounds in before the trailer was big. Im not sure you realized how much money and notoriety the first one has gotten, but anyone could tell you that the sequel would very very obviously be seen by everyone and there mom fairly fast.
still loved your movie. Boo-yeah.
Posted: Tue, 6th Sep 2005, 2:29am

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Just to make sure everyone knows about this


http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/software/Macintosh/osx/default.aspx


Windows media player for MAC. only a 7 meg download, I thought anyone that couldn't watch this might Check this out. It decodes WMV 9, Which is what this movie is encoded in.
Posted: Tue, 6th Sep 2005, 2:38am

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Bryce007 wrote:

Just to make sure everyone knows about this


http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/software/Macintosh/osx/default.aspx


Windows media player for MAC. only a 7 meg download, I thought anyone that couldn't watch this might Check this out. It decodes WMV 9, Which is what this movie is encoded in.
Yes that's true, it can open WMV3 encoded files that are in .wmv's or .asf's . But for some odd reason, neither the windows media player for mac nor other mac media players (Ex. Quicktime, MPlayer or VLC) can't open .Avi's with WMV3 encoding and that's what this movie was encoded in.
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Bryce007 wrote:

Just to make sure everyone knows about this


http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/software/Macintosh/osx/default.aspx


Windows media player for MAC. only a 7 meg download, I thought anyone that couldn't watch this might Check this out. It decodes WMV 9, Which is what this movie is encoded in.
I have that, but it's not working. Maybe it's just too big. Try the sorenson .mov thing CX3 said. I ALWAYS use that and it's awesome.
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oh common its been like 2 days sense you said you would do it! please i want to see it up by tommarow! unsure
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ssjaaron wrote:

oh common its been like 2 days sense you said you would do it! please i want to see it up by tommarow! unsure
Give the guy a break, perhaps he has a too. Besides, how do you know this isn't just a big ploy to stick it to the Mac, eh?
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5/5 excellent job. well worth the d/l.
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/me becomes impatient tard crazy sleep
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DUDE! i got to watch it at school! and freaking that was AWSOME!
i loved when the bullet shell flew out of the sniper rifle towards the camera.
the cinematography was SUPURB! editing was perfect! i could tell you had plenty of camera shots to edit with, and all of them where great!
5/5 easilly! this to me was WAY! better than the last days!
brycee007 I am now HONORED that you are doing K-text!
-Aaron cool
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Ok ok...In a Battle royale, Who would come out on top:


DXM, The Hit, Art of the saber, K-text, BRUK.


I'm pretty partial to DXM myself.

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Bryce007 wrote:

Ok ok...In a Battle royale, Who would come out on top:


DXM, The Hit, Art of the saber or K-text?
Speaking of which, you might want to add Battle Royale UK to that battle royale.
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Bryce007 wrote:

Ok ok...In a Battle royale, Who would come out on top:


DXM, The Hit, Art of the saber or K-text?
The Hit would come up dead last because it's the only one of the four without a Quicktime version. wink
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I'd say The Hit, DXM, Art of the Saber, K-text (best is on the left).
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i agree with pooky wink
k-text was good, but not profesional like the others
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...except for the fact that none of those movies listed were actually made by actual professionals.
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Yo bryce whats the hold up on this movie man? Hah, export and link the damn thing up already. Dont lose your mac audience.
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I've already uploaded the .MOV version, But archive.org is slow as hell at approving movies. SO, when they approve it it will be ready to rock.




Also, as far as remakes go, I wouldn't mind someone trying it with this movie.
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Hah, gotcha.
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hey bryce can you give us a date by which to expect k-text
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I'll be quite honest...


That was amazing. Color grading was impeccable, how the hell did you manage that? Seriously, you really ought to consider making a tutorial for that because... wow... that... that was movie quality right there. At the very least, broadcast ready.

The only thing that nagged at me in the film was the guy who wanted into the witness protection program... in my opinion, he didn't fit the part well. That's just a matter of opinion. On the technical side, it seemed whenever he spoke there was a sort of background ambience that the other guy didn't have... so... it kind of threw dialogue out of sync.

All in all though, that was my only complaint. The rest of everything was impeccable, truly well done, if I may say so.

Also.... were the sound effects from Half-Life 2 biggrin ?
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That sound problem really bothered me as well, but unfortunately to meet our deadline it had to be left in, or else it would have taken but abit of extra time.

The actor playing the Witness was all I had to work with at the time, So it was either him, Or a no go. I agree though he wasn't really at all what my script called for.

This movie was definately a learning experience. Luckily, The next movie is going to have none of these problems.


Although i hate to sacrifice quality, Here it is..


QUICKTIME VERSION

http://www.archive.org/download/TheHit_0/The_Hit.mov
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that was awesome! FX was great, and cinematography was very well done! color grading was a little to dark imo.
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Alright, finally got to see it, and loved it. Really well done, except for some little things (which could be considered big things):

The audio, as I believe has been mentioned needs work. Your sound effects peak a LOT, and it's kinda distracting.

I thought the music was a little too "epic" for this. I think something a bit less orchestrated would be excellent. Maybe just piano. Of course, that's a personal taste thing..

I know this has already been mentioned, but the continuity on the shootout near the car was just plain not there. Haha. But I understand that can be difficult.

There were some odd editing choices that didn't quite click with me, like the kinda "breathing" effect, or slight zooming I guess, during the hand to hand fight. That was kinda jarring.

Good things that I can mention, however, (and forgive me if they've already been mentioned.):

Your effects were pretty great. I wasn't sure if the cloud of dust or splash or whatever it was was an effect, or if it was just there, but that was awesome, and also the bullet casing from the sniper rifle, and his head blood spurt. Those are the standouts for me.

Color correction was very nice. Not overly dramatic, but fit the film well. Reminded me of the end of Seven.

Your shots were damn fantastic for the most part. There were a few shots that I didn't enjoy, but mostly they were great. Standouts are the ECU of the nail entering the arm, that was class. Also when the lead is being chased by the sniper up the hill, and you've got the camera fairly low with a lot of DOF through the stalks, that was very nice as well.

Overall this was a really well put together short, and it'll be interesting to see what comes next from you.

One question that has probably already been asked... Why isn't this in the cinema?
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I didn't use effectslab. And from what i understand, they don't add movies that didn't use effects lab.


Most Likely, This will be re-released with the sound fixed along with some other little things and maybe a making-of.
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Ya thanks for sharing this AWSOME movie with us. my respect and i am sure everyone on fxhome's, respect went up for you! you are very talented action film maker. i once again can not wait for the futare.
thanks for sharing your movie bryce007
-aaron
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Bryce007 wrote:

I didn't use effectslab. And from what i understand, they don't add movies that didn't use effects lab.
Semi correct.... they don't accept movies that don't utilize CSB Digital software.
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Bryce007 wrote:

I didn't use effectslab. And from what i understand, they don't add movies that didn't use effects lab.
Gotcha. That's a shame, because I'm sure this would quickly ascend the charts.
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Alright, Hybrid halo, shwar. cx3, tarn, xcession, johncarter, waser, ajjax and arktic....still waiting on your response....
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Dude,

I've got a real job these days and its long hours... All that besides editing a full length feature AND prepping RECON 2...

But I finally found the time to watch your film...

Here are my thoughts:

It was well made directing wise. You have a definite sense of suspense. Your action needs some work especially in the fighting department - it wasn't clear at all times what was going on - but on the directing front, it was solid.

THE GOOD:

Solid color correction and a good look BUT don't forget to match hues. At times, stuff that was supposed to happen in the same time frame didn't quite have the same colors from one shot to the other. Despite a stellar color grading, those flaws were readily apparent but they should be easy to fix for the most part since the cinematography is good most of the time.

Excellent sound design and music work.

Great locations.

Good camera angles and good suspense creation.

Good use of the shutter effects - too bad some shots were badly framed because it was interesting.

The SO-SO:

Camera framing. Sometimes it was great, sometimes it really sucked. I don't know what happened there. One minute you have a very well framed shot, then you cut to a sloppy framed one... It is peppered through the video so it's hard to pinpoint but you were on the mark 75% of the time.

Casting: your actors did their job decently enough (nothing great but it was functional) but they felt too young for the parts in my opinion.

The story: nothing to write home about but efficient.

visual FX: again, some are great (like the bullet bouncing out - awesome!) some are so-so (helicopters - I would leave them out) to crappy (muzzle flash).

The editing: sometimes it was brilliant, sometimes it was very weak, confusing and overdone. Try to strike a better balance. Comprehension is utlimately key. Quick cuts are good but they can also be bad if too quick or not defined enough. I felt the whole very uneven in quality.

The BAD:

The sound! It peaks almost all the time. It's distracting, its annoying and it KILLS an otherwise brilliant sound design work.

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John, Thanks for the honest review. I especially appreciate it because from what i understand, You're out there gettin' it in the real filmmaking world with recon and its sequel. The low points you mention i agree with completely. i think alot of it had to do with some enormously frustrating tech issues we suddenly had mid-way through editing. But, at least i know now it won't be a problem in the future.
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Bryce007 wrote:

John, Thanks for the honest review. I especially appreciate it because from what i understand, You're out there gettin' it in the real filmmaking world with recon and its sequel.
I am and it's hard but it is working. We almost broke even so far on RECON (www.recon2020-movie.com) with only about 15 countries sold since delivery in February, so it is not bad at all (and prompted strong requests for a sequel) and with more deals lined up, it looks like we will break even and even make a little profit, which is more than most indie filmmakers can say for themselves, so I am happy. We are also gathering decent interest with Pain Killer (www.painkiller-movie.com) as well (I sure hope we at least break even on this one because it nearly broke me!) and RECON 2 (www.recon2022-movie.com) looks like it will be my best film so far, both in terms of story and visuals.

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The low points you mention i agree with completely. i think alot of it had to do with some enormously frustrating tech issues we suddenly had mid-way through editing. But, at least i know now it won't be a problem in the future.
A good rule of thumb, especially for internet viewing is to keep your average volume no higher than -12dB and if you have peaks, limit them to a maximum of -6 dB... You should avoid most of those bad audio problems that way. Monitoring your audio is essential.

What do you edit on? It is easy to do this (and match hues as well) in Final Cut Pro.

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Hey not bad!
You just need a more solid story line...the end really didnt make any
sense...
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Alright, This is the Editor of The Hit. I did the sound work, the effects, the Entire edit, the Acting(The main character), and the Frame by Frame color grading. Everything You thought was bad, Was all my fault. I now live in the land of scorn, unless someone sees it fit for me to return.





P.S. if Jimmy cracks corn, and no-one cares, why does he keep doing it?
And why'd they write a song about it? In fact, if his boss was gone, Why does he continue to work, He should take a nap...

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First off its nice to meet you. second off I just wanted you to know that i thought i was very profesional, and alot of people hear judging your film, are all talk and could simply not to better at all.
any way I am the kid how made K-text about a year ago, and i was wondering if you were working on it aswell?
agian "The Hit" was a *HIT* in my book.
i enjoyed every aspect of the film.
OH and swg33k, what are you talking about! the movie made perfect sense.
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Rating: +5

I wonder why people keep asking me to give my "honest opinion" if they can't take it in the end. I have basically stopped giving my opinion on movies in this forum because of the cocky nonsense I get afterward. You can bet your ass this is the last time I waste my time to review anyone of your films, filmmakerfinley.

Cockiness will not get you far in this business. My review of the film, after numerous requests, was a fair evaluation of what I saw. It was not harsh or demeaning and it was objective. Ultimately, it remains only my opinion, and as that, AN opinion. Nobody asks or forces you to agree or disagree. I don't care. It is your film. You people ASKED for my opinion. I didn't offer it until after I was asked. If you don't want criticism, don't put half finished projects online for all to see!

I did my review because I was ASKED REPEATEDLY and because the film does have some merits and there is potential there - if the issues I mentionned are addressed, there is definitely something there and talent is evidently on display, especially in the sound design department, which was outstanding if compared to the usual fares in the online filmmakers community.

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The sound peaked in the film once at the very beginning (but doesn't anymore) what version did you see? I've not heard a single clipping elsewhere, so I don't know what to say.

Now, I don't know how many versions of your film are circulating but I saw the one that was here at the time. I shouldn't have to keep track of your outputs if I am asked to review something. I reviewed what was given. If it is of poor quality, it certainly isn't my fault!

In what I saw, the sound PEAKED throughout. Actually, Bob Forward of Detonation Films, said the same thing - your film almost blew out his speakers! He wrote me about your film to tell me to watch it since you used some of his stock footage (Bob and I work together on a few projects since RECON) and put a big warning on the blasting sound.

It is unprofessional to release something that peaks in the first place, but it is usually forgiven here given the mostly amateur nature of the productions, but since you act all high and mighty about your so called professional experience, don't go off giving lessons and lectures if you cannot deliver a product that has at least a minimal pretensions at being remotely professional...

filmmakerfinley wrote:

Films are never released, they escape.
Quoting famous quotes is fine and while that may be true, since this is not a commercial release with set deadlines, spend TIME on it. That's the ultimate luxury of the independent filmmakers: Time. Take the time to do it right before putting it out there and you will avoid most of the negative criticism, at least on a technical front.

Quoting famous people doesn't help your case here. You have quite frankly no excuse for the poor aspects of your post production. Take the credits for the good stuff and the blame for the bad.

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So i'll break it down for you.
I don't need to be condescended to, especially by someone like you. I have more than 15 years of experience as an editor (professionally) and about the same as a director (professionally as well). I can clearly see what you did and didn't do.

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Effects, well this is my area of expertise, I am a CG artist for the Museum of the Rockies under Jack Horner(JURASSIC PARK, LOST WORLD, JURASSIC PARK III) making Proffessional Film Productions for a new exhibit. I am also a Full-time film student at one of the nations most highly regarded Universities.
Good for you. But I question your so-called expertise. While your helicopters were "flawlessly animated" - they were only decent in my opinion but still functional - you failed miserably in your compositing of them. And you admit to it as well:

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The texturing and rotors were destroyed due to the color grading and the slightest tweak to contrast did this.
A good CG artist would have taken that in consideration, do tests, figured a way to make it work or drop the shot. Nothing kills a movie more than an FX shot that does not work. Any CG artist worth his salt knows that. For that reason alone, I would not hire you and I would not recommend anybody hire you. You are too arrogant and full of yourself to see past your mistakes. You seem to think you are all that and everything else is because of everybody else (dixit your post where you blame actors, technical issues and everything else in between). You can't build a career in the film business with excuses. There are reasons for everything, good and bad. It is how you deal with the bad blows that makes all the difference.

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The Muzzle blasts again were studied because we used some 8mm blanks for content matching, and when the footage is compared, they are identical.
Some were Ok, some where not... Again, I've been shooting guns and blanks for over 15 years... I know how it should look. And I do muzzle flashes replacements on film almost daily in my job. That's how I got my hands on AlamDV in the first place because it was a simple, easy way to do so. I used AlamDV for muzzle flashes successfully on RECON 2020 and even the armourer couldn't make the difference between what was real and what was fake. It is definitely not the case with your film.

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White Balancing was always an issue when shooting, and I didn't correct the shots in that edit. I obviously have now.
Again, that is unprofessional and inexcusable since there are no guns to your head for delivery of the film.

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Framing. You base the framing off of textbook knowledge of 'the rules'. Let me let you in on a secret, in our style of action movies, the rules are Bull-S**t. And we're here to break those rules. Partly because the "rules" are for general purposes, the main thing is to do everything on purpose and to have a goal in every way you frame a shot.
To break the rules, you have to know the rules. You obviously do not master them well or you wouldn't have made the mistakes that brought your movie from a potentially above average effort to an obviously amateur level. Some shots were great (about 75%) and some were totally crap - and in some case, way below average! (about 25%).

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The whole purpose of this was entire movie was cinematography, so you can bet your ass that every shot was decided upon. Nothing just happened. Please cite specifics.
I find that hard to believe or you are more delusional (or full of yourself) than I think. Cinematography also includes proper framing (and properly matching hues while color correcting). Keep that in mind for the future.

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The editing: I agree. But I did it all for a reason i.e., not enough time for a shot to show something, wanting every sweet looking angle in the film
Let me clue you in on a little secret: Don't fall in love with your shots. Shots are like the words in a sentence. They need to tell the story. More than that, it's embellishment and it bogs down the film. No matter how nice a shot is, if it is superfluous, get rid of it.

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Action: I was raised in martial arts since childhood.
I have been shooting action films for more than 15 years... And I grew up on Martial arts too... A good fight is not made of epileptic editing. Rewatch your classics.

filmmakerfinley wrote:

P.S. have you seen the Bourne Supremacy, watch that fight scene in the house, and then tell me ours is hard to follow.
I did see that film and I agree somewhat with your statement but for your sake, compare yourself with the best, not the worst.

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I'd like to see an example of your work, your name didn't seem to be in the credits of PainKiller (unless you changed your name) And the Recon 2 site is only one sweet picture.
My personal website, complete with a wide selection of short films available for download, is ALWAYS visible at the bottom of every one of my posts since it is part of my signature - same goes for every other features I did that do have an Official website. - and if you can't find that, there is always my profile...

If everything fails, I have a few of my films available in the FXhome Cinema.

RECON 2 is currently only a picture because the film is currently in preproduction - but the website should be online soon.

JohnCarter is a nick based on a character from the E.R. Burroughs Mars novels. I use it on every message board. Just like filmakerfinley is certainly not your real name (if it is, you have cruel parents).

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Only just stumbled across this thread, and thought I ought to check out the movie given the rave reviews. It's a shame that Finley couldn't have been as gracious and open a filmmaker as Bryce - it seems very odd that the writer and director accepted JC's (largely positive) comments so sensibly, but the editor unfortunately chose to have such an unnecessarily aggressive response. As JC pointed out, don't ask for comments and criticism if you can't handle it. Note how Bryce took onboard what was said, admitted to problems, and is already thinking about how to improve.

Finley - if you react like that to JC's comments, which were generally positive (he clearly really liked the film, and could see even more potential in it), then I dread to think how you'd react if somebody actually had the nerve to dislike your work! By all means explain why you made your creative decisions, but don't patronise and try to belittle somebody simply for voicing their entirely valid opinion. You are in service to the audience, not the other way around. JC wrote his comments politely and in a constructive manner, you should have received them in kind.

Now, I tried to put all that silly business out of my mind when I watched the film...

Overall, good stuff. It was a shame that the presentation was so spoilt by the interlacing combing, peaking sound and odd framerate issues, but those have been discussed elsewhere (although you really should fix the interlacing problem).

It had a clear style, was entertaining to watch and had a good veneer of professionalism. Cinematography was generally very good, with a only a couple of shots sticking out as being unnecessary. While the quick-cut style isn't a favourite of mine (the cinematography in the aforementioned Bourne Supremacy took an otherwise superb film and turned it into absolute rubbish), you accomplished it well here.

Sound was good, although a little muffled in places - some of the dialogue slipped me by. Good use of locations and props. I'd say the actors looked far too young, especially the main guy, but that's an inevitable aspect of student filmmaking and isn't really something to worry about.

I would remove the helicopter shots, as they seem rather pointless and detract from the far superior and exciting final shot of the train with the guy on the back. Plus the helicopters don't look entirely real - the train shot is a far more powerful and memorable one to end on.

Good stuff, I look forward to what you do next.
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This film was pretty good. I enjoyed it but I do have some issue's with it. Especially after hearing the cocky'd attitude that FiilmyMcFilmmerson just had on his last post.

The color grading was definiately nice, looked great and I cant say anything negative towards that. Most of the cinematography was very well given in my opinion. Some of the shots didnt work out so well. I think at times you tried to get a little too crazy on the style. I was diggin the story. I didnt try to be more than it was for just a 7min short, i liked that.

The editing was prob my biggest issue. You all say that you had deadlines to get this film done and released. Maybe so, but the release def wasnt geared toward us. If you had to finish for something else then thats fine, but whats stopping you from going back in the suite and touching back up on the stuff that was poor and THEN showing us? The sound was okay for the most part, some of the voice overs were pretty bad (Im not sure if they were v.o's or not, either way, some of the audio was pretty bad on the dialogue.) My only other quarrel with sound are some of the hand to hand sfx, everything else was clutch.

The muzzle flashes from the automatic were bad in my opinion. Didn't look real to me at all. And the casings were... "ehh"... I would have left them out. I know your going for realism but if the stuff doesnt look real that your adding then whats the point? Also, this isnt really a big thing but at 03:08, you complete missed a frame. I guess you forgot to move your video over.. And for someone who graded "frame by frame everyframe" or whatever, I would have expected to pick up on that. I noticed it right away and I doubt it was an "artistic choice". And the end credits look like they were stolen from the movie "The Core", atleast I think it was that movie, but o's well.

Overall, I'd still give it a 4 though, I know your capable of better and I'm sure it will show your next film. Could have been a 5 had you spent a little more time on it in post, I still dont see the excuse for that. Anyways, good job, looking forward to seeing the K-Text remake.

Chris
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Jcarter, again, thanks for reviewing the film, much appreciated as you probably know more about directing than anyone else on here, And I, being the director, Am always looking for ways to improve. Thus, I always like the harshest critisms the most. the fact that you were even remotely impressed was refreshing seeing as how you're a professional.

As per usual, After this movie was finished, I immediately knew it could have been much, much better. BUT, i don't mind it now that we've fixed the majority of the problems. still though, issues remain with just about every technical aspect. But this only assures the next movie will have none of them.


Anyways, thanks all for having made this thread motivating.
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Bryce007 wrote:

Jcarter, again, thanks for reviewing the film, much appreciated as you probably know more about directing than anyone else on here, And I, being the director, Am always looking for ways to improve. Thus, I always like the harshest critisms the most. the fact that you were even remotely impressed was refreshing seeing as how you're a professional.
My review of your efforts was in no way harsh (at least by my standards) and if you think I was, then you and your editor friend better build a thicker skin if you guys intend to make filmmaking more than a hobby in the real world, because you guys will crumble in a little pile of wet dust at the first remotely credible critic you'll get. Seriously.

At least one of you has the right attitude... Hopefully, your postproduction partner will fall by the wayside before he manages to destroy totally your filmmaking hopes with his out of control ego.

Good luck in your future endeavors.
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Sorry bout' that carter, I didn't mean your review was harsh, infact, it was alot better than expected. I meant, I Prefer people to REALLY pick apart my movies. I like to know Anything and everything thats wrong.

Keep in mind also, I don't share a brain with my editor. His opinions are seperate from mine.
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Bryce007 wrote:

I didn't mean your review was harsh, infact, it was alot better than expected. I meant, I Prefer people to REALLY pick apart my movies. I like to know Anything and everything thats wrong.
Fair enough - I misunderstood what you said in the previous post. But you asked me to review your movie and by accepting, despite my current lack of time, I had to have the decency to give you a reasonable opinion of it. So I took the time (which I don't have much of these days) to write your review. If you guys would have taken the time to do your post entirely right, you would have released a really neat little film. Unfortunately, that wasn't to be. There is good stuff in there. More work, less ego might get you guys somewhere.

Bryce007 wrote:

Keep in mind also, I don't share a brain with my editor. His opinions are seperate from mine.
I understand that. That's why I said this:

JohnCarter wrote:

At least one of you has the right attitude... Hopefully, your postproduction partner will fall by the wayside before he manages to destroy totally your filmmaking hopes with his out of control ego.
But that being said, I don't see you temper (at least!) his views either. You two are 2 different people with different opinions but you are both close collaborators on this film, him being the editor and all... Whatever that guy says does reflect on you as well (and incidentally on your film), as evidenced by both Tarn and CX3 reactions... And we are only talking about a message board here...

I think you are intelligent enough to understand what I am saying.

Debate over on my end.
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Well done on the production. What blew me away the most was the cinematography. Loved it.
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This text was heavily modified from an e-mail I sent realatives, and posted on other Forums around the net. I sincerely apologize for sounding like an asshole, (after reviewing my post, I realize I did). I am actually an extreme pacifist when it comes to character, it's a fault. I hope to God I'm not cocky, as i pride myself on humility. my post was a letter, copied and pasted, (not out of a lack of respect to you) but as an attempt to save my lack of sleep. I had the same questions and comments from many people, so i covered everything and then modified it to respond to your post. Again I am very sorry. We asked for feedback. We want it. If the audience doesn't like our movie yet we are satisfied with it, we are still failures. So, if I could now take this time to say Thanks for watching our film and leaving feedback, I greatly appreciate your comments and suggestions. I know I have more to learn, that's why I'm in Film School.

And Bryce, is in fact the Nicest and Funniest person in the world, all the faults are mine and mine alone. I decided the film was done, by all means blame me. Thanks for your time, i must now wander into the idiots corner and smack my head upon thy wall...
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Well, I guess i deserve every last bit of criticism for my earlier post. My attitude certainly wasn't intended for negation, so I am apologizing again.
And does anyone else use Ulead Media Studio Pro 7? because in conjunction with it's service pack three, i've been getting the framerate issues everyone has notice. We didn't convert to 24 Fps, it was originally shot in that, and the Interlacing shouldn't be an issue, because it was originally filmed in Progressive and output in that as well. If anyone can tell where these are that'd be appreciated. We did use a different camera for about 6 shots, so that maybe whats going on. Anything else we missed?
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Should we bother with making a Dial-up version? If there are many users of dial-up, then by all means, theres no harm in making a smaller version. Also I will try to repost the video with many of your noted changes in effect. I'll post when it's completed. Thanks a lot!

P.S. I never heard of "the core", it's not a foriegn film is it?

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Hey carter...what stock footage did we use of Bobs? i don't recall there being any stock footage being used at all.
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I may remove the shot of the helicopters, but i would like to know if anyone can tell me what would make them look more realistic. is it the movement, the textures, i've added dust that they kick up, is that what was missing? Any help=thanks
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You guys have all been very encouraging, your feedback goes into making a better movie next time, thanks for the responses!
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After seeing a ton of reviews I decided to rewatch the movie with a discerning eye. Some of the cuts bother me now that I've watched it a few times. I think that when you are watching a movie you shouldn't notice the switch of angles. It should be a seemless motion because the cutting isn't what you want the viewers attention to be drawn too. In the begining there were a lot of shots on the car of it coming in that looked almost the same to the other shots. You would cut to a shot that looked almost identical to the previous one. That bugged me a little. I think also the angles should have lasted a little bit longer in the beginning. The fast cuts work perfect for the fight scene, but leading up to it they are a little annoying. I think the editing got a lot better as the movie went on and I think the only time I disliked it was in the beginning. The interlacing as other have said was an issue and the 3d bullet casing and the muzzle flashes. Muzzle flashes are a little hard to nail down so I would let that slide. I really liked the music though I thought it really matched up with what was happening on screen. A few times I thought I could tell where it was one sound clip looped, but again not too major. Every time I see the bullet flying at the screen I love it. That's probably my favorite part (besides the filmaker license plate biggrin ) Overall I still think it deserves a 5/5 and still one of my favorite movies on fxhome. If only it could be in the cinema.
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The problem with the helicopters is definately animation. try and make it much much smoother, and dont forget how a helicopter flies and try to make it logical. Also make them lighter so we see some detail.
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will do, thanks
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filmmakerfinley wrote:

And does anyone else use Ulead Media Studio Pro 7? because in conjunction with it's service pack three, i've been getting the framerate issues everyone has notice. We didn't convert to 24 Fps, it was originally shot in that, and the Interlacing shouldn't be an issue, because it was originally filmed in Progressive and output in that as well. If anyone can tell where these are that'd be appreciated. We did use a different camera for about 6 shots, so that maybe whats going on. Anything else we missed?
I'm not familiar with Studio Pro 7 so won't be of great help here I'm afraid, but I can think of a few things to check. First off - is the program capable of handling 24fps, progressive footage? If so, doublecheck that you set up the project file correctly - if you accidentally set the project to be interlaced, then imported progressive footage, it's possible that it would all seem perfectly fine until you exported, at which point the interlacing artefacts were introduced. Similarly, if the project was set up to be standard NTSC framerate, then using 24fps could cause odd jerky issues.

Hopefully a Studio Pro expert can offer some more useful advice!

Here are two examples of the interlacing going crazy:





It's more obvious in some shots than others, but it's present in most of them.

Oh, and apology completely accepted and appreciated. Welcome to FXhome. smile
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Thats Impressively noticable. The DVD will be fixed along with all the other problems we've come to notice.
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What camera did you record on?

The DVD version should be interlaced, not progressive, if you can help it. The Panasonic 24fps cameras (if this is what you used) record progressive but then apply pulldown before they save to the tape giving you interlaced footage which should play back perfectly on a TV. For the internet you need to deinterlace this footage before you compress it.
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schwar wrote:

What camera did you record on?

The DVD version should be interlaced, not progressive, if you can help it. The Panasonic 24fps cameras (if this is what you used) record progressive but then apply pulldown before they save to the tape giving you interlaced footage which should play back perfectly on a TV. For the internet you need to deinterlace this footage before you compress it.

6 pages ago ben3308 wrote:

Panasonic DV100a and some Sony DCR something. It says at the end of the credits!
Like he said, it's on the credits. biggrin
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how did you do that bullet flying at camera thing?
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shiftd wrote:

how did you do that bullet flying at camera thing?
That's be a 3D program on the computer thing. wink (Cinema 4D, Blender, etc.)
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roger that, thats what i guessed, im gonna need a shitload of ideas for my film...
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roger that, thats what i guessed, im gonna need a shitload of ideas for my film...
What's your film about (or what do you want it to be about)? I'm bored, since Splinter Cell and the Friendship are both on hiatus until everyone can get in one place at one time.
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Good job Shiftd..you managed to evade the censoring system with you clever combination of words.
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well..that was amazing. The most professional movie I've seen on FX Home. 5/5 BRAVO
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Thanks miker, I appreciate the response. this coming weekend the fixed versions will be online(sound, music, editing, fx etc..), and yes, the quicktime version will look a hell of alot better. The one on here now is just...Tragic..

I'm also working on 4 brand new projects that are looking to trump this movie in every category.
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Trump this piece of greatness in all categories? Now I got to see me some of those videos!
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A month late, but anyways. smile

Well done. Really good work in there. Some nice cinematography, good sense for grading, solid soundediting and good use of a good location. The muzzle flashes looked a bit odd, but the headshot ruled big time.

I must admit, I don't like the editing style though. I hate the confusing MTV-guess-what-just-happened-it's-so-quick style editing, but that's a matter of personal taste, so don't bother. smile

Congrats! Looking forward to seeing more of you guys! cool
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Hey, thanks Sollthar. I Didn't think you'd go back and post. awesome. Currently I'm getting this rescored (so its copyright free), And we're Nearly through fixing all the interlace, edit, sound and cg issues. So, I've got 5 projects on my plate right now, But once we finished, I'll have some dvd's made if anyone wants one. Other, i'll just be replacing the current web version with the fixed one using Quicktime 7 and Wmv again.
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Sorry- I'm too lazy to go through the whole thread to see if you already answered this, but how and with what did you do the end headshot blood?
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Particle Illusion 3.
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its k-text done YET!!!!!!!............ im getting impatient
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Finally got around to watching this.

Hmm, I actually didn't like this that much. Didn't have a very original story, and I thought some of the editing was weak. The visual effects, style, quality, acting were all great. The acting was the only not perfect thing of those, but it was still good. 4/5, I think you can do much better story-wise, and editing wise. I saw some strong parts, but also some sloppy parts. Love the set and props I might add.

EDIT: For some reason, I already voted. Maybe I did it subconsciously when you released it. I just thought that witht he awesome ffeedback I would love it. I know I downloaded it before my HD crash. Oh well. If you really want to see your cinema average, subtract one from the 5 and add one to the 4.
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As mentioned before, I didn't do the editing, Although I okay'd it. I'm surprised you thought the acting was alright, Because i felt it was...Less than stellar...But, the story would have made alot more sense if we could have gotten one of the actors to properly speak his lines. Unfortunately, he could barely even get the ones you heard down, Because he seems to throw an unnatural emphasis on everything, no matter what i told him, so that was kindof a pisser. Either way, As i've said many a time, my next film is going to be 4 times what this film was easily.
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I enjoyed this, and it shows fantastic potential. I especially liked the opening, and you're lucky to have such a fantastic location to work with.

Using very-quick camera switches is fine, but it requires planning and is a difficult skill to master. It shouldn't just be used for the sake of it, for example, when the man gets out the car at the beggining, there's no point in having about 10 shots of him leaving a car. It doesn't let the audience get a grasp of the location, and just leaves them confused. Where as during an action scene, having quick shots helps create tension and confusion.

Also, I didn't like the way the camera switched between heights. For example, when you had the camera looking down from above, this implies that someone is watching him so it just seems strange.
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The obscured angles from different heights were meant to give a sort of omnious Feel, Since, The sniper is watching them. The original script would make this make more sense as well.
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I personally would have just had shots through various objects that are out of focus. You did this really effectively though.
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I don't think the filming could have been done any better. I enjoyed the style.
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Different objects that are out of focus? I Don't follow. Explain.
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Bryce007 wrote:

Different objects that are out of focus? I Don't follow. Explain.
Depth of field.

You used it in your opening few shots, such as when the camera was zoomed right in on the guy's eyes as he got out the car.
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Oh..DOF...sorry, I never refer to it as anything else. Yeah, I got 4-5 alternate shots of every shot in the movie, So in the end, I had alot more DOF than i had wanted, SO, I kept in the one with the car, eyes, pistol, Board, pistol on ground, pan around head, and that slight one when the man character stumbles back upon getting hit.
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don't you just love the dvx100a?

very solid peice, and the grading kicked ass. sound mix, on the spot, except for the dialogue, but it was minimal so no real compmlaints. i suggest you just ADR ir, will bump up that little bit alot.

muzzle flashes, yeah, a bit wierd, but worked.

4 from me.
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Thank cypher. That mic problem was because of us not quite knowing the In's and out's of a New Shotgun mic..
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So, Now right before Production Goes Into Full tilt with "Infamous", We've fully fixed "The Hit" for Dvd, With some FX making of's and a Totally New Soundtrack composed specifically for the Movie based of the original's. So, If anyone wants one of these DVD's, They'll be ready soon. Let me know.
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Sure; it'd love to see a high res version of this film on my TV. It looks awesome.
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Just got around to watching this today:
Probably the best movie under 10 minutes I've ever seen. Grading, shots, everything looked great. Acting seemed a bit off, but well above most everything on here. If there is anything about grading on your special features, I would definietly be interested in a DVD. Great job.
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Think you could re-new the poll, I NEED to give that movie a 5! That was so awesome man! The best movie on the whole site that was under like 9 minutes. Great work!



Film freak razz biggrin biggrin razz
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I could throw Together a grading feature pretty easily, However, I made my own magic bullet editors preset to use on the movie so..unless you have that program, it might be abit confusing.
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tell me something, how much camera shake did u do, becasue it was perfect, im always worried that my camera shake will riun my movie, and another thing did u film all the cuts from multiple angles with one take, or several takes and move the camera around

and finally im making a julius caesar movie and any advice from such a filmakr would be great!!!!
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oooo and one more thing what music did u use and soundeffects
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We Had two Cam's, But Only Used one at a time. I Simply filmed Multiple takes at multiple angles. Almost every shot in the movie has 2 alternate angles.

How much camera shake?....Really just depends on what it is thats occuring i suppose... I just did it whenever i felt like it really.


The music is off the bourne identity and spygame and Island soundtrack. The Sound effects were taken from multiple videogames/mods, some heavily modified.
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Hey All, I was wondering..We're Uploading the absolute final version in the next few days, and I was wondering a couple of things:

1. The version entered in the "Win software" contest is Essentially Slaughtered to fit the Time restrictions, so is there a way we could have that taken down?

2. The New version is re-edited to fix some problems, and shoud be up by wednesday, So Anyone Feel like hosting it?
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Heya, if you like upload it to my site here:

http://www.durhamedia.com/e107/upload.php

& I'll can you the download link to link to as soon as you've uploaded it
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How big will it be? I might be able to host it as well!

Great work btw, I thought it was good when I saw it from the contest, and this full version kicks even more ass... Amazing! biggrin
Posted: Sat, 15th Jul 2006, 4:40pm

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Is this topic dead? where is the remake of the movie?
Posted: Sun, 16th Jul 2006, 7:49am

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Remake? I don't remember planning to "Remake" this...

And the topic is only as dead as users want it to be. Anyone else that watches this stunning, outright Formidable old-school film should feel free to post they're respectable and well liked opinion.
Posted: Sun, 16th Jul 2006, 1:11pm

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You said you would remake or edit some of the bad and ugly things.
And why do you think it is oldschool??
Posted: Sun, 16th Jul 2006, 8:39pm

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Yeah, We've got another tighter edit of it, but i haven't got around to uploaded it yet...



And, I consider it old school since this was made quite awhile ago...
Posted: Sun, 16th Jul 2006, 9:03pm

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Okay. I didn't really get the point of oldschool, cause yhe movie is awesome... I thought you ment that you think this kind of movie is oldschool, and you wanna make starwars effects instead....

Do you think there is any chance for me, to get the sounds for the fight? when you'r smacking him with those deep sounds ??
Posted: Mon, 17th Jul 2006, 10:35am

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Ha, No, I've got no interest in starwars fanfilms or anything like that..

The sound effects might be hard to find, since this was done so long ago...I'll look into it though..
Posted: Tue, 18th Jul 2006, 12:31am

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Bryce007 wrote:

And the topic is only as dead as users want it to be. Anyone else that watches this stunning, outright Formidable old-school film should feel free to post they're respectable and well liked opinion.
Absolutely no offense intended, but that is easily one of the most arrogant and "full of yourself" comments I have ever heard.

Although I believed your film was well done, it was certainly by no means what I would describe as "stunning." As a filmmaker, you need to be humble in everything you accomplish. The second you start tossing around words like "stunning" and "outright formidable," you lose all credibility, as well as the ability to be critiqued.

My brief analysis follows:

The grading of the film was fantastic. You really nailed the Bullet on this one. However, concerning the appearance, I was shocked that you didn’t deinterlace. Why not?

Next, the shots were very good, but some felt a little forced. The real problem was the editing. While I normally applaud fast cuts, these were just too darned FAST. Also, the camera placement in some scenes felt like “Yay, let’s place the camera all over the place so it looks professional.”

The CG was excellent, and cannot be faulted at all. There is no way that I, or any of my fellow filmmakers could possibly do any better.

The acting was pretty much awful, as well as the utterly dreary dialogue. It was really quite a shame, as it heavily damaged the overall impact of the film. Sadly, when it all comes down to it, WRITING is what creates a film. Not its action, not its cuts, but its writing, something that almost no film on fxhome.com can claim. What you need is a semi-pro writer who can come up with less hackneyed dialogue. That way, YOU can better focus on what you do best.

Thanks for your time.
Posted: Tue, 18th Jul 2006, 4:15am

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urbium wrote:

Bryce007 wrote:

And the topic is only as dead as users want it to be. Anyone else that watches this stunning, outright Formidable old-school film should feel free to post they're respectable and well liked opinion.
Absolutely no offense intended, but that is easily one of the most arrogant and "full of yourself" comments I have ever heard.
Hehe...I was fully kidding..You didn't actually think I was serious....right?

Thanks for Putting me in my place though. I appreciate it. I've never made a film before.. unsure
Posted: Tue, 18th Jul 2006, 4:18am

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Apparently sarcasm doesn't apply to anyone on the internet anymore...
Posted: Tue, 18th Jul 2006, 5:38am

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ben3308 wrote:

Apparently sarcasm doesn't apply to anyone on the internet anymore...
Sorry.

With a lack of vocal tonalities, and my current grumpy mood, I was a bit too "trigger-happy" by jumping to conclusions. I read this entire thread, front to back, and it just sortof "sounded" like you were waving your proverbial dick around, especially since the recent thread-bumping.

Once again, I apoligize.
Posted: Tue, 18th Jul 2006, 6:28am

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That's okay, apology accepted.














...waaaaaaaaaaait for it...
Posted: Tue, 18th Jul 2006, 7:20am

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Spadeko bumped the thread, not me....Either way, It's fine with me if you didn't enjoy the film. I really just made it for people that Would enjoy it.


(Also, what proverbial dick do you refer to?)
Posted: Tue, 18th Jul 2006, 3:21pm

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Apparently (by urbium's post) Ben and Bryce are the same people now.


Interesting, interesting indeed.
Posted: Tue, 18th Jul 2006, 4:00pm

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Bryce007 wrote:

(Also, what proverbial dick do you refer to?)

Bryce007 wrote:

Ok ok...In a Battle royale, Who would come out on top:


DXM, The Hit, Art of the saber, K-text, BRUK.


I'm pretty partial to DXM myself.
That's it. Although, to be honest, I enjoyed yours much more than DXM...