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Nintendo Revolution Controller Revealed!

Posted: Fri, 16th Sep 2005, 3:11am

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Its finally here and all but certain to be the oddest controller of this generation. I like it, its very well design and complements the Revolution well. Best of all its something new, not the same old thing with "better" graphics and a high price tag. This is the innovation that made Nintendo the powerhouse it is and hopefully it will pay off.

http://cube.ign.com

Main Controller Features

3D Pointing. Sensors understand up, down, left, right, forward and backward.
Tilt Sensitive. Controller can be rotated or rolled from side-to-side.
Buttons Included. Has a trigger on its backside, face buttons, and a D-Pad.
Multifunctional. Has an expansion port which can be used with different types of controller peripherals. Analog stick with two trigger buttons planned for left hand.
Wireless. Totally wire-free. Currently there are no details on the max distance, source or power, or otherwise.
Rumble Built-in. Included as a standard in all the controllers.


http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/651/651275/hands-on-the-revolution-controller-20050915054852879.jpg
http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/651/651275/hands-on-the-revolution-controller-20050915054945878.jpg

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Posted: Fri, 16th Sep 2005, 3:27am

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Wow, that is pretty cool. And it is obvious that nintendo did this jus to create a Next Gen Duck Hunt Game.

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Posted: Fri, 16th Sep 2005, 3:38am

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I've long liked nintendo systems, though this is a far cry from those warm memories of Donkey Kong Country and Super Mario 64. Mind, buying my pc essentially began my retirement from console gaming. Looks like I chose the right time to leave whilst preserving my memory of the old skool Nintendo.

I've no doubt that there will be some great games on the revolution, I just don't think it'll push gaming as forwards as a whole if this is meant to be the primary control system...
Which is why I suspect it isn't. The control system seems far too extraneous peripheral and would alienate alot of games/developers from their system. So my bet is that we'll see a more conventional controller appear at some point. I could be wrong.
It will be interesting to see exactly how things go though smile.
Posted: Fri, 16th Sep 2005, 3:51am

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Hybrid-Halo wrote:

I've long liked nintendo systems, though this is a far cry from those warm memories of Donkey Kong Country and Super Mario 64. Mind, buying my pc essentially began my retirement from console gaming. Looks like I chose the right time to leave whilst preserving my memory of the old skool Nintendo.

I've no doubt that there will be some great games on the revolution, I just don't think it'll push gaming as forwards as a whole if this is meant to be the primary control system...
Which is why I suspect it isn't. The control system seems far too extraneous peripheral and would alienate alot of games/developers from their system. So my bet is that we'll see a more conventional controller appear at some point. I could be wrong.
It will be interesting to see exactly how things go though smile.
Agreed. Nintendo's shot at "game innovation" isn't exactly "innovative". Or at least it isn't accomodating to the game suppliers or certain genres. As many know, I've given Nintendo many chances to redeem themselves (buying a DS, buying supposedly "innovative" games for it, buying more games, etc.), and my love of classical but nonetheless way-overdone games might be the reason, but this controller?

WTF? Seriously.

Innovative is a relative concept. No matter how you might use the controller, its shape limits it so much from the start, it isn't even funny. I, myself, dont like the DS touch-screen either, as it is primarily made for right-handed people only, and I'm left-handed.

Nintendo was DEFINATELY puffing the magic dragon when they designed this crap.

Life sucks all over.
Posted: Fri, 16th Sep 2005, 3:57am

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Read about the practicality of the control on these pages.

http://cube.ign.com/articles/651/651275p1.html
http://cube.ign.com/articles/651/651275p2.html

They basically lay out every genre, explaining how the controller would work in each of them. It doesn't just feature the buttons that you see. It is the controls that you don't see which make this whole thing "revolutionary" and different from all other gaming including PC gaming.
Posted: Fri, 16th Sep 2005, 4:02am

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cantaclaro wrote:

Read about the practicality of the control on these pages.

http://cube.ign.com/articles/651/651275p1.html
http://cube.ign.com/articles/651/651275p2.html

They basically lay out every genre, explaining how the controller would work in each of them. It doesn't just feature the buttons that you see. It is the controls that you don't see which make this whole thing "revolutionary" and different from all other gaming including PC gaming.
I've read them all Canta, and I'm not convinced yet. I think I'd actively try and have a go on one though. Different is not always better wink And neither is it revolutionary. Revolution means to change old ways with new ones, and I don't think that this control system has any chance of becoming any form of gaming standard on which other systems can build upon. It's more like an Innovation.

But we'll see, my console loyalties have in the past been with Nintendo so I'm aware of their ability to amuse/excite me.
Posted: Fri, 16th Sep 2005, 4:03am

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http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/651/651275/hands-on-the-revolution-controller-20050915054927691.jpg

Different colors?!?!? I gotsta get me one of these.
Posted: Fri, 16th Sep 2005, 4:09am

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ben3308 wrote:

http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/651/651275/hands-on-the-revolution-controller-20050915054927691.jpg

Different colors?!?!? I gotsta get me one of these.
The problem was, they were all just trying to change the channel.
Posted: Fri, 16th Sep 2005, 4:30am

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You're stupid....................stupid.
Posted: Fri, 16th Sep 2005, 4:32am

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weird.......thats really weird. but hey, I'm excited
Posted: Fri, 16th Sep 2005, 5:14am

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RETARDED!! What's with all these new innovative ways to make a controller less confortable? The 6 button Segas Genesis button was the best thing in the world!
Posted: Fri, 16th Sep 2005, 6:39am

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Man, when i think of Playing a nintendo console, i really always wanted to feel like i was flipping TV channels. This should be great!
Posted: Fri, 16th Sep 2005, 7:05am

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Huh. I always thought the Revolution was going to be Nintendo's savior...

...guess not. Wellp, Nintendo's dead....
Posted: Fri, 16th Sep 2005, 8:51am

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I think Nintendo should startconcentrating on creating good things, instead of odd ones. It looks cool tho.
Posted: Fri, 16th Sep 2005, 8:56am

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A Pickle wrote:

Huh. I always thought the Revolution was going to be Nintendo's savior...

...guess not. Wellp, Nintendo's dead....
WTF are you takling about? That's awesome!!

Just think of all the posibilities, yes, revolution is going to be the best next gen console


Just look at these



(these are nintendo's own ideas I think)
Posted: Fri, 16th Sep 2005, 9:06am

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Heh, that looks pretty lame - it seems like a wireless mouse, but then with a wire to a joystick (why that couldn't be wireless as well i have no idea!). I can just imagine swinging the pointer about while trying to use the joystick and the cable coming out or snapping. Also it looks bulky as hell with that bottom bit plugged in...

Looks like its going to be a rather poor console with a really gimmicky controller (just like the DS). I can see some games will be made to make the most of the controller (like those games for the camera thing for PS2 - iToy?) but I can't think of hardly any traditional games which you'll be able to control well with this device.

Desperate times call for desperate measures, but this just seems silly. I don't think Nintendo will live on as a large console maker beyond the next gen although you can be sure its handhelds will stick around for a while.

They should make devices like this and great games for the more powerful consoles. I'm sure Nintendo insane fans will go crazy for this while the majority of the market really won't care.
Posted: Fri, 16th Sep 2005, 9:53am

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Alright everybody,

Time to check out a teaser video.

http://media.cube.ign.com/articles/651/651334/vids_1.html

I'm completely sold. I dig it. You have my $250 and all of the launch games. Good Job Nintendo.

slowclap
Posted: Fri, 16th Sep 2005, 10:02am

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Not keen at all. I don't really want something that feels like a remote control - gaming for me is a lot about immersion, whereas I associate remote controls with quick pick-up-put-down channel flicking etc. And controlling a game one-handed means your other hand is just flopping about not doing anything, which is a bit daft.

I like that Nintendo are always trying to innovate, it's just a shame that it almost always comes across as the latest gimmick rather than something genuinely new and exciting. I imagine most games developers are going to look at this controller, see how utterly different it is to everything else, and steer well clear of developing for Nintendo.
Posted: Fri, 16th Sep 2005, 10:13am

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i hope you can plug in the gamecube controller into the revolution. i wonder how its like to play zelda with this one razz
Posted: Fri, 16th Sep 2005, 10:46am

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this is as with all post on here just an opinion, not place to annoy anyone just how I happen to see it.

well looks like "innovation" for innovations sake to me. All they've actualy done is split a normal controller in two and added a cable and guys on here are calling it awesome. It's complicated to manufacture and potntially unreliable with that cable there just asking to be ripped out during overzealous gameplay. It's a shame really as nintendo were a big player but they are desperate to recover from the relative failure of the gamecube and from the fact that they have fallen behind microsoft in getting their console to market, Sony can release theirs whenever they want and it'll be a hit, nintendo are frantic to grab back market share. This isnt a revolution its just another next gen console, aimed more at the younger market as always and they are using gimmics to sell. it's a real shame, perhaps they should concentrate on handheld although the PSP is kicking ass there too. Is this the death nell for nintendo ? We'll have to wait and see but as the opinion on here is so divided and it seems to be slightly weighted towards the "Don't likes" it doesn't bode well for Nintendo. It has to be a Huge gamble for them.
Posted: Fri, 16th Sep 2005, 11:56am

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Guys, I thihnk you might be missing the idea. It wont be like "flipping channels." That is the mian hub, other extensions to be bought. Imagine a scenario: control Link walking with joy stick, swing sword with main part of controller, physically.
Posted: Fri, 16th Sep 2005, 12:13pm

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So you have to buy additional controllers? Sounds awful. It should be about designing a single control mechanism that works for the largest variety of games, not the other way around.

I think I'll stick with my keyboard and mouse.
Posted: Fri, 16th Sep 2005, 12:30pm

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Having followed the report live last night in the earning hours on the morning I quickly developed a strange dislike for the controller. I think Nintendo should offer a 'normal' controller as well... which I'm sure they will.

This 3D Air Mouse.. the idea sounds insane, yes... revolutionary, but maybe pre-its time. I'll be getting the Revolution no matter what, because it'll be able to play all my GameCube games as well as all older Nintendo games.. Goldeneye with that controlller.. that'll be tasty.

All I can say is. At the very least, Nintendo will have something different about their console and their own in-house games and the exclusives can feed from the controller. It's a big risk but if it works as a controller... It'll be brilliant.

On another note. Watch the trailer for the controller here:
http://cube.ign.com/articles/651/651334p1.html

Just seen that link has already been posted.
And to add.
I've always wanted the ability to wirelessy turn off my console.
Fantastic feature there. wink

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Posted: Fri, 16th Sep 2005, 12:32pm

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Watching that clip seriously reminds me of NES's Power Glove!
The controller just looks plain stupid to me.
Posted: Fri, 16th Sep 2005, 12:51pm

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WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?!?!?!

I really think some dudes on crack were designing this one...MAN!!

Also whats with the crappy new controllers?

PS3 controller looks like it will carve a shape into my hand!

Now this?!

WOW...What a dissapointment...I might change my mind if i ever get my hands on one...It will be fun to mess with...for like 5 minutes

The only 'half desent' controller is the XBOX 360 contorller...The others...Well they SUCK

Wow...thats the craziest thing I have seen in my life!

Those Japanese people have a SERIOUS imagination...
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well the xbox 360 controller sucks. if the ps3 one stays, it sucks, and this one looks really weird. so either way no matter what system you get the controller is going to put me off. BUT, i remember hating th xbox controller, and seeing the gamecube one and giving out a hearty "WtF?", but both controllers complimented the games I played on the systems, and I'm sure the the revolution controller is going to do the same. I have no doubt that the revolution controller is going to be fun when played with fun games.

I think you can plug gamecube contollers in anyway, so if it is as bad as most of you are moaning about, I can just do that.
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Yeah...I never thought of that...I was really getting freaked out by the GameCube contorller...Really your right it probabbly will be fun with the 'right' games...I just can't get through my head that you can play Metroid Prime 3 with that contraption...
Posted: Fri, 16th Sep 2005, 4:32pm

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Interesting, very interesting. Looks pretty lame, but the applications you could use it for are very nintendo (Wario Ware Swing 'n' Slice??). I think that instead of the analog add-on, they should have something more like

(sucky image I knocked up).
Which plugs in, to make it a more normal controller, whilst still allowing you to shake and swing it for extra gameplay (like controlling an FPS the usual way, but melee attacks are done by swinging the controller like a sword.

My verdict - good idea, poorly desgined. Will probably flop, but i'll still get one.
Posted: Fri, 16th Sep 2005, 4:36pm

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Anonymous Tipster wrote:

Which plugs in, to make it a more normal controller, whilst still allowing you to shake and swing it for extra gameplay (like controlling an FPS the usual way, but melee attacks are done by swinging the controller like a sword.
Pfft, there's nothing 'usual' about controlling an FPS with a console controller. smile

Other than that, your design is conceptually far better than Nintendo's, despite being knocked up quickly.
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if you notice on the "remote control" part of the controller - there is an a and b button at the bottom.

To play older games you can turn the controller sideways and use it like the original NES controller

(at least thats what I've heard)

I DEFINATELY want to try this out and see how it is...

-MAGIC
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Tarn wrote:

your design is conceptually far better than Nintendo's, despite being knocked up quickly.
Maybe I should send it off to nintendo. biggrin
Posted: Fri, 16th Sep 2005, 6:48pm

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The thing I don't understand is why these game companies think that many people will take a chance and spend at least $250 for a controller that you probably won't like. What Nintendo needs to do is come out with a regular controller and then introduce this new controller for those who want to buy it.
Posted: Fri, 16th Sep 2005, 7:16pm

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Ok, check this:
http://cube.ign.com/articles/651/651224p1.html
This really will work. I can't wait to play an FPS on one razz

I'm sold, sign me up Nintendo!
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I just think you guys aren't thinking it through. Remmber too, there are infinite possibilities with the extension feature. Why does no one like this? Imagine swing a sword in Zelda, just swing the remote and Link follows. Aim your gun upward in any FPS witht he controller, use trigger to fire. It's weird, different boards seem to haveuniversal opinions. Maybe influenced by members considered "elite?" For example, FXHome seems to hate it generally, Next-Gen Gaming on GFAQs seems to love it. I too am sold. But for Smash Bros., I hope you will have the baility to use a regular controller, because it just wouldn't be the same. I am a hard core smash fan, and this controller better not change the depth back to an old party game like fighter, similar to SSB 64. I hope that once you try out the controller you will realise what it's like. Read IGN's impressions. You will see how it will work for each genre and how many possibilites can come out of this.

Also, I love the iPod style of the white one. smile

Also, not sure if this has been said, but the pic posted earlier that is a real looking controller with the remote attached IS going to happen. Thus keeping traditional control style while keeping the tilt.
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Nintendo are dead, there lack of using cds in the early concepts of the snes addon (built by sony only to be laughed at for thinking of using cds) proves it, there stuck in the past forcing gamers to shell out out £60-£80 per game. sony got it right by moving on to build the playstation. I mean when will they get with the program, people want dvds to play on there consoles and want backwards compatibilty for the nostailga trips. but no nintendo refuse to agree, they want to make crappy cartrigdes and crap small discs so there is no possibility of any type of multimedia entertainment, stuck in there ways of bad advistising, where the hell were the ads for legend of zelda (one of the greatest games ever) they lost hundreds of potential buyers. for this reason and the fact they target 3 year olds and greedy they will never find there niche in the market for serious gamers. Its a real shame the hardware will never match the qaulity games they gave to the world, and remaking classics becomes very boring and unacceptable. R.I.P nintendo, it was fun while i was young.
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IMO it looks uncomfortable.
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jotoki wrote:

this is as with all post on here just an opinion, not place to annoy anyone just how I happen to see it.

well looks like "innovation" for innovations sake to me. All they've actualy done is split a normal controller in two and added a cable and guys on here are calling it awesome. It's complicated to manufacture and potntially unreliable with that cable there just asking to be ripped out during overzealous gameplay. It's a shame really as nintendo were a big player but they are desperate to recover from the relative failure of the gamecube and from the fact that they have fallen behind microsoft in getting their console to market, Sony can release theirs whenever they want and it'll be a hit, nintendo are frantic to grab back market share. This isnt a revolution its just another next gen console, aimed more at the younger market as always and they are using gimmics to sell. it's a real shame, perhaps they should concentrate on handheld although the PSP is kicking ass there too. Is this the death nell for nintendo ? We'll have to wait and see but as the opinion on here is so divided and it seems to be slightly weighted towards the "Don't likes" it doesn't bode well for Nintendo. It has to be a Huge gamble for them.
Umm, did you not notice the motion sensor part??
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ashman69erdude wrote:

Nintendo are dead, there lack of using cds in the early concepts of the snes addon (built by sony only to be laughed at for thinking of using cds) proves it, there stuck in the past forcing gamers to shell out out £60-£80 per game.
I think most of your comment is rubbish, but that's just me. You ARE making your opinion everyone else's. Nintendo can be for the serious gamer, you just have to like different kind of games. This is proved by NIntendogs selling 1,000,000 copies, DS's major success, the GBA's success that tops ANY video game system EVER made, and the GCN's success. The GCN didn't sell as well as it could've, and the excitement kind of died, but it still succeeded. Also, where in God's world are you buying your games? I get mine for $10-$50 US...

Jotoki, I think you missed the entire point of the controller, and the splitness. It is made for addons, the motion sensor, and many other things. Read IGN's article Iposted and you will fully, well, almost fully understand.
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Nintendo Revolution Controller = Amazing and kickass for anyone with a brain and who can think. New isn't always bad. Personally I think this is pretty damn cool. It can accomodate ANY nintendo system's controls for playback on the system (with the addons) and has ultimate flexibility and innovation. Hell, first person shooters will be kickass. Seriously, just cause its not your standard game controller, don't be so narrowminded to think that its automatically crap. This is all about gameplay. Not graphics or power. Gameplay.
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Serpent wrote:

I just think you guys aren't thinking it through. Remmber too, there are infinite possibilities with the extension feature.
I think this is one of those bait and switch 'lies' that Nintendo uses, kinda like "We'll make non-kiddy games" or "The DS will be fun to play!"
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I am just saying that because specific games can be made from developers (third part extensions.) I think the original is great. Also, in my opinion, the DS is very fun to play. And they do make non-kiddy games. It's called Zelda, Metroid, Geist, Eternal Darkness. How is it a lie? It would be there opinion, which I for one happen to share.
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Four games! Wow! Zelda! I totally haven't seen that ten years ago! And they're not even out!

I bought Splinter Cell- for forty bucks because stores don't carry new DS games, mind you- and the graphics SUCK and the processing is SOOOOOO slow. I'm at loading screens forever. I didn't pay 150 dollars to only be entertained for ten minute. Rip and off.
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Splinter Cell sucks, I agree. But Mario Kart Online, Metroid Online, and Advace Wars, don't.

Also, I am namng 4 series that aren't "kiddy." Not many developers even have 4 series. Nintendo is the only comany that is developing hardware, developing games, AND publishing games. This topic is about the hardware, so don't try and take my comment and go onto a whole other topic. That I will severely kick your arse in. wink You can say DS sucks right now, but I wont take your opinion seriously until the games of the Holiday season are released.

As for the controller, I have only one questioning of it: How wil you be able to reach all of the buttons on the "remote" side. It one hand, it just seems weird. I guess I'll just have to play it. *waits*
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Games of the season? I bought a DS a whole friggin year ago. If they weren't gonna have a good lineup ready, they shouldn't have released. Thus far, SC is the only game worth my time and even it's not that great.
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Splinter Cell on the DS? Hah! Get Splinter Cell 3 for the PC... now THAT'S a good game!

EDIT: Oh but you need a good PC...
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pooky wrote:

Splinter Cell on the DS? Hah! Get Splinter Cell 3 for the PC... now THAT'S a good game!

EDIT: Oh but you need a good PC...
Yeah. that's one big flaw of PC gaming, the machine. Anything non-gamer-ready, and the game gets dragged down by the computer, and the computer gets dragged down by the game. And, it's just.....well......generally hard for me to use a desktop mouse, because, again, it's made for the right-handed community. That's one reason I prefer a notebook over a desktop. Oh, and let's all just agree that Splinter Cell 3, on any system ('cept the ghetto-bad DS) is pure balla.



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SC3 is better on PC though, graphics are far far better. That's the upside of the machine problem... it allows for better graphics.

Lets stop this now, we're straying from the topic.
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WOW. I was watching the live feed. I saw the cruddy pic.... Wow. I hated it



Just a day l8r, I've read up... I WANNA PRE-ORDER. This thing freaking rocks.
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I thinks its going to be hilarious when Xbox Flattens its nintendo competition for good. as for games, It really doesn't matter when you have to play the with a tv remote control wired to a fruity little thumbstick.
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Playstation 4 lyfe. Bitch.
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<Off topic>

atom wrote:

it's just.....well......generally hard for me to use a desktop mouse, because, again, it's made for the right-handed community.
During pre-production for my film "Ninja, Interrupted", I spent seven years with a wise man who schooled me in the ways of hardcore 1337ness. Part of this training involving a mystical training routine known to the Ninja' as "sensory inversion". It essentially means that you play with your lame hand so that both your hands have the power in them to truely own the keyboard or the mouse, should you ever be in a situation where you need to make a quick shot in a game with your hands crossed or eyes closed.
I think now may be a good time to share with you, this routine.

Step One - The Test of Strength.
Pick up your mouse.

Step Two - The Test of Accuracy.
Put your mouse down on the left side of your keyboard.

Step Three - The Test of the Mind.
Go into control panels > Printers and Other Hardware > Mouse. At the top of the buttons tab is a checkbox which switches the primary and secondary functions round on the mouse.

Step Four - The Test of your self-identity crisis
Sort your keyboard out too, I think some of the buttons are broken/in the wrong place because sometimes you talk like you think you're some kind of G Gangsta Rap SupaStar and it's well annoying. Word.
</Off topic>

Back on topic, I'm still not massively keen on the new controller though I have recently been made aware that the controller you see before you in this thread can be viewed as what is essentially a "Hub" for controllers the system will use. Yes, that's controllers. Depending on which games you play most you are supposed to be able to buy a controller that the "Hub" slots into. I guess you'd have to look at it like this:
Your default controller, is a slightly less curvy ipod which only way to control games is essentially impersonating a raver just peaking his night dancing craziness. If you spend a little extra money, it might actually work as a functional controller for the game you're playing.

Doesn't sound so bad, but what I'd like to know exactly is how much is buying different controllers for the different games I want to play "conventionally". And how acceptable I'd find it considering the default controller could fit into that "optional purchase/toy" category and a conventional controller shipped with the machine.

The Mind boggles.

Just a final note aimed at people mentioning the other consoles and courses of action which involve them crushing the Revolution. I'm not that'd happen, as it's already mentioned that Nintendo aren't aiming to compete which Sony or Microsoft (which they are trying to do by releasing something a little wacky). If this is the console that finishes Nintendo it won't be because the Xbox or PS3 crushed it. It'll simply be because it was too wacky for anyone other than die hard nintendo fans and people looking for something totally different, and unfortunately for Nintendo I don't think that's any great majority.

We shall see though, we shall see. As much as I do slate the consoles I must admit that there is a certain niche that they fill which the PC cannot possibly attempt to (Actually, only one game : Ikaruga wink). A worry of mine is that instead of taking advantage of that the big next gen consoles are simply trying to emulate what a powerful PC can do, forgetting that a PC is not solely a gaming machine.

The Solution : Make Ikaruga 2 for the PS3 wink (Yes, I am kidding). Anyway, let's leave "console smack talk" out of a thread based around the Revolutions funky new control pad. None of us can make accurate guesses on how things will go just yet.

-Hybrid.

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There IS an optional add on much like that mock-up a few pages back. It's like a dreamcast controller.... sort of.

Instead of VMU, u plug in the "remote" That way, you can play on a traditional cointroller, but with all the motion sensing.

Just so ya kno.....
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Boyocs wrote:

There IS an optional add on much like that mock-up a few pages back. It's like a dreamcast controller.... sort of.

Instead of VMU, u plug in the "remote" That way, you can play on a traditional cointroller, but with all the motion sensing.

Just so ya kno.....
That's what I just said.
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Look !!! The controller just totally rocks !

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That's just a quick mock up IGN made as Nintendo haven't released any official images of it yet, though apparantly it's pretty close.

Hybrid-Halo wrote:

I just don't think it'll push gaming as forwards as a whole if this is meant to be the primary control system...
Which is why I suspect it isn't. The control system seems far too extraneous peripheral and would alienate alot of games/developers from their system. So my bet is that we'll see a more conventional controller appear at some point. I could be wrong.
Told you so. Nintendo have increasingly become more and more frequent with their publicity stunts. Should the final control look like the IGN mock up then its pretty similiar to the Gamecube Control which is a great.
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I think it will be good because I don't think Nintendo is that stupid to make something nobodys going to like. I think people judge it by the uncomfortable look to it. Im just going to have to try it when it's released.
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Guys, the teaser on IGN is back. It is a great video, though some parts have its Japanese weirdness to it, it helps you understand the controller better, and the end is just frickin' sweet.

boffa86 wrote:

i hope you can plug in the gamecube controller into the revolution. i wonder how its like to play zelda with this one razz
Missed this, you can. It is backwards compatible with memory cards and controller ports.
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thats great to hear! i still dont know what to buy. x360 or ps3 but one thing is sure im gonna buy the revolution
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I'm tired of traditional games, and I need something new. Something...fresh. To me the xbox360 and the ps3 seem exactly the same as the current systems except for the new graphics. My opinion is that if a game is fun and original, it doesn't need to have super graphics.
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My thoughts exactly. As long as graphics are at least as good as this gen (3d) or as good as Sega Genesis/SNES (2d) I think it's fine. Gameplay, plot, music, etc. is all more important to me. As I said, I'm getting bored with the way we play, and this is the answer (for me anyways).

As for media, I have a DVD player. I have an iPod, a stereo, a COMPUTER. I don't need media on my console. It just seems like it makes the console more expensive for me for something I don't really need nor want.

Online play is awesome. I'm gad Nintendo is finally getting it. (Shudv been on the gamecube..) I especially like in the Rev that it can be connected to WiFi out of the box and has free online play, not to mention free classic downloads. I hate paying monthly anything...

And finally, I love the controller. As Satoru Iwata said, "When you see it, you will want to hold it, to play with it..." And that's exactly how I feel. I'm not only ready, but hungry for change. Bring on the Revolution!
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I'm not that excitied for holding it, I've held plenty of t.v. remotes. I'm excitied to so how this changes gaming. Just think swinging that thing around. Nerds are gonna actually have "muscles" Just kiddin. I think this is cool. I think it will be fun for some games. But the only thing about nintendo is when they come out with this new thing they make it like the main way to play. But like sony when they come out with like that camera they just make it an add-on, and nintendo dosnt always seem to let you just play the old way. I hope that makes sense.
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Yamfanny, don't know if you are talking about rev in the sentence I am thikning of, but it CAN play DVDs. As for media playing, they haven't said anything, though i don't really care, we shouldn't ju,p to conclusions. The GCN had the capailities for online, they didn't have a big thing like XBox live, and they didn't really support it. This time it will rock, and we will hopefully see this when comes Mario Kart DS. The graphics will be better than this gen by a long shot. Even if it isn't as powerful as the others, Nintendo and it's 2nd and 3rd party developers seem to take advantage of what they have. Just as an example, I think Zelda: TP on GCN looks better than anything this gen, even though it is not as powerful as X-Box, and is basically tied with PS-2 (don't discuss that), it still looks better than anything else in my opinion. So I am sure there wont be a big difference anyways, because what we've seen probably isn't taking full advantage anyways. Just some thoughts, but I hope the Revolution is powerful enough to create as beautiful imagery as we have seen from PS3 and 360 screens. I might get a 360 to pass the time to Rev, but I will get a Rev no matter what, already it looks like the greatest thing in the world to me. All GCN games, sweet controller, SSB online, online play, old games for download, and a neat style + next gen graphics. Just looks pretty cool.
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Most comfort, and original. I like this one. Playing it old school.

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Serpent wrote:

Yamfanny, don't know if you are talking about rev in the sentence I am thikning of, but it CAN play DVDs. As for media playing, they haven't said anything, though i don't really care, we shouldn't ju,p to conclusions. The GCN had the capailities for online, they didn't have a big thing like XBox live, and they didn't really support it. This time it will rock, and we will hopefully see this when comes Mario Kart DS. The graphics will be better than this gen by a long shot. Even if it isn't as powerful as the others, Nintendo and it's 2nd and 3rd party developers seem to take advantage of what they have. Just as an example, I think Zelda: TP on GCN looks better than anything this gen, even though it is not as powerful as X-Box, and is basically tied with PS-2 (don't discuss that), it still looks better than anything else in my opinion. So I am sure there wont be a big difference anyways, because what we've seen probably isn't taking full advantage anyways. Just some thoughts, but I hope the Revolution is powerful enough to create as beautiful imagery as we have seen from PS3 and 360 screens. I might get a 360 to pass the time to Rev, but I will get a Rev no matter what, already it looks like the greatest thing in the world to me. All GCN games, sweet controller, SSB online, online play, old games for download, and a neat style + next gen graphics. Just looks pretty cool.
I kno that the Rev can get the DVD add on.. I knew all that.....


I was just expressing my feelings for what's important. As I said. GCN graphix are good enuff for me. I don't need complete photoreaism. In fact, I think that'll ruin gaming.

To me, Nintendo has their priorities straight.
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Too much photorealism gives the majority of people motion sickness. Now who would want to play a game that makes you sick? =/
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wdy wrote:

Most comfort, and original. I like this one. Playing it old school.

yeah that thing was really comfortable. Oh wait, no it wasnt.
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Waser wrote:

wdy wrote:

Most comfort, and original. I like this one. Playing it old school.

yeah that thing was really comfortable. Oh wait, no it wasnt.
I seriously think gamecube controllers are freakishly comfortable.

Maybe my favorites so far...
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I don't know I think that photorealism would be cool in some games like a basketball game, or a racing game. But like in violent game that would make you sick.
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Gamecube controllers totally ripped off of PS controllers. I mean, yeah, they're good, but Nintendo yet again took something old and made a few improvements and innovations and voila! They made the Gamecube controller. And I completely agree with what ssjohn said, about not having all games play with the new 'innovative'-ness of the controller. That's why DS sucks, in games like Spiderman, when you're fighting, you're forced to tap the friggin touch screen to do combos. That blows.
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yeah and see like nintendo never seems to just provide a way for you play it normally they always seem to force you into using there innovative stuff. What they should do is make most games with a normal control then have a few games with this new controler than if the few games with the remote do really well then they should make that or something like it the main control device for the next gen console. But I just think they're taking way to big of a chance with this, just like they did with the ds and the ds sucks in my opnion.
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Yamfanny wrote:

I seriously think gamecube controllers are freakishly comfortable.

Maybe my favorites so far...
yeah gamecube controller and xbox S controller are my favourites
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ben3308 wrote:

Gamecube controllers totally ripped off of PS controllers. I mean, yeah, they're good, but Nintendo yet again took something old and made a few improvements and innovations and voila! They made the Gamecube controller. And I completely agree with what ssjohn said, about not having all games play with the new 'innovative'-ness of the controller. That's why DS sucks, in games like Spiderman, when you're fighting, you're forced to tap the friggin touch screen to do combos. That blows.
Playstation controllers suck. Utterly and terribly. The gamecube controller is completely different. Its shaped perfectly for your hands and is so easy. The DS doesn't suck. Its owning the PSP in sales and the games are so much better. I once thought like you, that nintendo had let me down, but then I realized that I didn't care about graphics and power, and I cared more about fun. The Revolution will kick everyone's ass.
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The DS doesn't suck. Its owning the PSP in sales and the games are so much better. I once thought like you, that nintendo had let me down, but then I realized that I didn't care about graphics and power, and I cared more about fun. The Revolution will kick everyone's ass.
That's a pretty bold statement considering you haven't played either of the next gen consoles or heard their full line ups, I don't even think that's a statement true of the GC vs PS2 as they both had a great array of games. There weren't many games that were really fun on the GC that weren't also released on PS2 or otherwise crazy

Playstation controllers suck. Utterly and terribly. The gamecube controller is completely different. Its shaped perfectly for your hands and is so easy.
Now don't get me wrong, the Wavebird controller is the coollest peripheral ever. But the Gamecube control despite being comfy doesn't really hold any advantages over the PS2 control, even I know that. The perfect controller is one that is both comfortable and can be used to play a wide variety of games with ease. The ps2 controller did that whereas personally I strugged to play fighting games and even reaching for the targetting computer in rogue leader was a stretch wink
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Well, you have to admit, that for the past few generations of consoles, everything has stayed the same. Gamecube/PS2/Xbox were the exact same thing as N64/PS, except they had a facelift. PS3/Xbox360 are a carbon copy of PS2/Xbox, with some prettier graphics. Hell, even the controllers are almost the same. If we keep going like this, nothing will ever change. Nintendo has the right idea, trying to get us out of this rut. Fun, not precision gaming. Something new, to point us all in a new direction.

I already disliked XBox/PS2. They're just computers that can ONLY play games. I'd take computer games over them, but the reason I got a gamecube, and will get a revolution, and the reason I'm not trading in my DS for a PSP, is because nintendo has never let me down in giving me fun games. You can't play Super Smash Brothers on the computer, and you can't play Mario Kart... or Zelda... to name a few. Xbox/PS2 have yet to offer any really fun games that belong souly to that system. Maybe I haven't looked hard enough, but the only fun games i've ever played on those systems are also available on Gamecube.

I'd rather have a controller be comfy than anything else. I wouldn't stand playing a game on a PS2 or XBox for more than an hour because they aren't comfortable. So you could have a controller with 50 buttons, and that certainately would play a wide variety of games, but it wouldn't be easy to use, and it wouldn't feel right. The Revolution controller is simple. Wireless, few buttons, and the motion sensor and add-ons will take care of anything else that is needed.
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well, what it really all boils down to is, nintendo is for babies with no girlfriends, and the PS3 and XBOX360 will be for people who get one like 10 girls whenever there is a party.

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well, what it really all boils down to is, nintendo is for babies with no girlfriends, and the PS3 and XBOX360 will be fore people who get one like 10 girls whenever there is a party.
Hehehe.

Something you have to ask yourself is that now the controller really isn't all that different from the gamecube one (agreed, it's better. But it's still similiar). Then really how revolutionary is it being as a console? The same games are coming out for it and it seems to be just as guilty of constantly releasing sequels as the other companies, maybe even moreso as they've been doing it many years longer.

Personally, the only reason I've been attracted to the Nintendo consoles (I'm addressing the GameCube and Revo here) is that they're normally the cheapest and also normally only have a few titles released on them which I deem "must haves". This fits perfectly into my much more hardcore PC Gaming, though if I didn't have a PC to game on I can see myself going for an Xbox360.

The argument "I'll stick with Nintendo because they've always released fun games" is another way of saying "I'm a Nintendo fan, I specifically enjoy Nintendo's brand of games and for that reason I'm going to take a risk and buy the Revo in the hopes of the next MarioKart not being as poor as Double Dash". I don't think that's anything to be ashamed of. Especially considering the general opinion mentioned in this thread (mine inclusive) have all said "I'm a _____ Fan because of their games, and I'm sticking with them." smile It's certainly a better mindset than "MY COMPUTER HAS TEH MOST GRAPHICS!" which seems to be held by too many people.

-Hybrid.

Oh btw Waser, I heard you throw up on the Radio this morning.
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If u weren't Waser..... evil



Ya....
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Hybrid, Mario Kart has nothing to do with anything. That was a bit random in my opinion.

As for evman's comments, I agree. Obviously. wink But I just think Nintendo is a great developer. This controller will make Zelda, Metroid, among others some of the funnest things to play. When Miyamoto said Twilight Princess was the last Zelda game that will be played that way, he meant it an a great way. You will really feel like you are weilding a sword. Nintnedo's ideas always excite me and just make gaming that much more fun. I do think PS3 and XBox 360 are going to be great. Don't know which to get, if 360 has Banjo I'll take that, but it also has Perfect Dark on launch, so yeah... But Revolution is going to be so exciting. I can't wait to open up the box.
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Waser wrote:

well, what it really all boils down to is, nintendo is for babies with no girlfriends, and the PS3 and XBOX360 will be fore people who get one like 10 girls whenever there is a party.
Haha, but there IS a lot more interaction and motion with the Revolution... so you never know... razz
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Oh btw Waser, I heard you throw up on the Radio this morning.
You wouldnt happen to have recorded the show? or just the part where I threw up. I really want to hear it.
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When Miyamoto said Twilight Princess was the last Zelda game that will be played that way, he meant it an a great way.
Wait a minute. I thought we all agreed a long time ago the Miyamoto was crazy.

Does nobody remember that video I made?!?
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Honestly, look at nintendo's latest track record with the cube..

Any game that was on all three system (except solcal2) was the worst on cube. and the controller was no help to the fact.

It also had the least amount of games, no online playability, no linking.

The best titles were ONLY designed for it (res evil etc..).

The DS is such a letdown, its almost sad.

Most of the games that were popular nintendo franchises managed to come out crappy (mario sunshine, windwaker, mario party,)(Excluding smash bros')

They try to innovate in ways they seem to not have even test marketed.


However, I think they were genius in making the Revo have downloadable oldschool titles, and that alone will probably sell units for some people. Everyone else is probably going to be incredibly close minded towards the controller, and that might just sink the system.

And yes, im a ps3 and xbox360 fanboy.
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The DS is such a letdown, its almost sad.
Yes you are totally right, selling 250,000 copies of a game (in 2 days mind you) about a virtual pet is completely sad. It's so unsuccessful that it is kicking all competitors in the balls and taking their lunch money on every front. I will give you this though, the PSP does have more content, although 80% of it is movies and not games.

The PSP is the joke man. Who the hell would buy a movie for a screen that is half the size (resolution wise) of your television and pay $10 more for it than the DVD version. Name one game on the PSP which has sold more than 100,000 copies. None, while the DS has quite a few.

PS- I own a PSP and its collecting dust because there has been a game shortage and movie over-saturation for the past 4 months.

(Damnit Matt caught me in a semi point making lie)

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Name one game on the PSP which has sold more than 100,000 copies. None, while the DS has quite a few.
Lumines.

Though, I do agree with you. I think the PSP realised that it doesn't offer much than the technology of yesterday - but portable. The DS may at first seem silly, but it has alot more novelty/origional games on it's side which seem to be keeping it ahead sales wise.
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I wasn't referring to how many games were selling, i was referring to the machine itself. Not the greatest concept in the world. not as much power as the psp. And virtual pet games are retarded..
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Addressing the machine so dismissively is a little silly, I think it's a good idea for a handheld system to try and be actively innovative or origional rather than straight out try to imitate being a console. I couldn't help but snigger at your pro-sony "The PSP has more power comment", knowing that if you were just slightly older you would have argued the exact opposite side of that argument as you defended your playstation to the Nintendo 64 owners.

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And virtual pet games are retarded..
Believe me when I say this, just one go...one go my friend and you will be gripped. As retarded as you may like to think it.
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But it (the DS) is more powerful than any other gaming system that came out before it. Just because Sony decided to make a "SUPER POWERED" system which has the battery life of a spotlight running on 2 AA's doesn't mean that Nintendo should be expected to follow suit.

After all Nintendo did give us the super powered 64bit N64 when Sony brought out the CrapStation and we all know who won that battle. So bringing out the biggest most powerful system usually doesn't garner you anything but low battery life and a crappy selection of ports and dumbed downed versions of PS2 games.
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I did have a playstation, and i wanted an n64 really bad when they first came out. "dismissively" would have been "teh ds suckz", whereas im saying i've played one, and really, the psp is a much, much better and more incredible experience, because it really doesn't seem like the psp's graphics are possible on such a tiny machine. the touch screen on the Ds gets used for the absolute WORST things, point in case any sort of combo's in fight games or sports games.

In reality, i wish microsoft would release a handheld (no doubt on its way).

And keep in mind hybrid, your only 1/2 year older than me, so you're age comment doesnt make quite as much sense as it should.


And virtual pets are terribly addicting. That doesn't mean its a good game persay...
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Sooner or later you will come to realise that it's not all about the graphics. Infact, it's that very mindset which is essentially screwing game developers and the gaming experience in general into the ground. Have a read of this article for examples:

http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/games/manifesto.html
I honestly can't disagree with a single point.

If you're the same age as me and have been playing games on one format or another over the years then you really will realise that it's not the machine that counts. It's the games, the PSP has hardly had it's power put to use yet, what with Lumines - essentially a musical tetris being it's best game.

It's not up to me to dictate to you which machine you should prefer as it's a free world and all. But if you make an argument against another machine which I deem to be foolish then I'll have to wade in guns blazing razz I do agree that Virtual Pets for the most part are addictive solely because I have no one to love in my life, though Nintendogs is something altogether different and in some way, extremely clever.

Give it a go, I honestly think you'll be surprised. And if you really wanted an N64 back in the day it means you haven't completed Super Mario 64. Something you really, really need to sort out.
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Yeah. that's one big flaw of PC gaming, the machine. Anything non-gamer-ready, and the game gets dragged down by the computer, and the computer gets dragged down by the game.
I reckon you're looking at it backwards. The PC's ability to change and advance constantly is what makes it such an important platform. It keeps the technology fresh, enables developers to keep pushing forwards. That's why the true cutting-edge tech (not gameplay necessarily, just talking about tech here) is always on the PC, except during that 6-month-or-so period when a new console is released and it's temporarily top-dog.

If games development was solely for consoles, we'd probably be years behind where we are now in terms of graphics, massively multiplayer games, online shooters like battlefield etc.

Consoles are a major pain in the ass in that respect, in that they hold back development for years and years, because developers are forced to create games that work on consoles as well as PCs. Take Fahrenheit, for example, a brilliant game but that was developed for the PS2, Xbox and PC. Consequently, it looks like a PS2 game - ie, it looks about 5 years old already. Imagine how much more immersive it would have been using Source/Doom3 tech, let alone the new Unreal tech. Same goes for the KotOR games, which had to be downscaled so that they'd work on the xbox.

Aside from all that, I think control mechanisms are the least important thing to be worrying about with games. What we should be looking into is developing narrative, improving quality of writing, maturing the medium as a whole - even the best game is generally only worthy of b-movie status if it were a movie, or a trashy pulp paperback if it were a book.

Games have got a long way to go before they can hold their own alongisde other artforms, and if the focus remains on gimmicky controllers it's going to take a long time.
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I wasn't referring to how many games were selling, i was referring to the machine itself. Not the greatest concept in the world. not as much power as the psp. And virtual pet games are retarded..
Who cares? The point is, its sold more titles than any on the PSP. End of story. Graphics don't mean anything. It's like getting a sports car... sure it looks cool, and is powerful, but it'll suck up tons of gas and drain your money for no real reason. You have to get past stupid first impressions and keep your mind open. Sure, the PSP is more powerful, anyone with a brain can see that. And anyone with a brain wil also be able to see that the xbox360/ps3 will be more "powerful" than the revolution. But thats not what matters.

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true EV, but again, I agree its all about the game. I had more fun with the legend of zelda on the original gameboy than windwaker. This explains why i don't like what nintendo has tried to do as of recent, which is trying to Differ itself from everyone else so much so that it alienates its original fanbase such as myself. And i did almost completel mario 64, and it kicked Very, very, large amounts of ass. almost as much as conkers did.

And EV, you sayin that just because a game sold a billion copys, thats all that matters? you sound like a marketing executive. selling doesn't automatically mean "GOOD GAME". and as for graphics, would you have more fun playing doom 3 on a voodoo 3 (which it can run on) or a 7800 gt? yeah, enough said. Graphics DO matter, just not as much as gameplay obviously.
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XBox handheld WILL NOT EXIST. They already gave rights to one of their main 2nd parties (Rareware) to develop for Nintendo handhelds. They said they will not enter the handheld race. Why would they give rights to a company that they would compete with in the future? This is the closest we are ever coming to that:



It is real, just an XBox and was created by some gadget magazine. Will never be sold to the public. I am not even sure if it functions.

As far as DS vs. PSP, that isn't very relavent in this topic, but I will say this, even though graphics may matter for that point, I would much rather play Advance Wars than another sports or racing game on the PSP that have such great graphics. I have never played Doom 3, nor do I know what either of those machines are. But the DS's fun factor in my (and hundreds of thousands of other DS gamer') closes the gap between the DS's graphical capabilities and the PSP's and stretches far beyond that.

Also, if you can get your hands on it... try Jump Superstars, great game right there. As is Advance Wars and Kirby Canvas Curse.
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Heh...As if Bill Gates doens't have [i]enough[i/] money already...

Yeah I did see some vid that said Microsoft isn't going to make a handheld XBOX(Really who wants to hold a box??) and they really don't need to...
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I've played advance wars on my Gamebody advance for quite awhile now. Best handheld game aside from zelda i've ever played.
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Meh...I have to say Zelda Minish Cap OR Fire Emblem Scared Stones is the coolest...but hey we really need to get backon subject...I had no idea what we were talking about since i posted like 5 pages ago last few times!
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A Pickle wrote:

Huh. I always thought the Revolution was going to be Nintendo's savior...

...guess not. Wellp, Nintendo's dead....
Ok, uneducated comments like that make me mad.


Nintendo does not ned a savior. They made the greatest profit overall this gen, (And not by a small amount) and believe it or not, they've been steadily making more and more each gen.

Please, would ppl stop talking about how much trouble nintendo is in....

It's just annoying.
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Voodoo 3 = old graphics card
7800 GTX = best GPU at the moment

Man, Nintendo is in trouble... wink
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Bryce007 wrote:



And EV, you sayin that just because a game sold a billion copys, thats all that matters? you sound like a marketing executive. selling doesn't automatically mean "GOOD GAME".
Why would so many people have bought it if it wasn't a good game...?
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evman101 wrote:

Bryce007 wrote:



And EV, you sayin that just because a game sold a billion copys, thats all that matters? you sound like a marketing executive. selling doesn't automatically mean "GOOD GAME".
Why would so many people have bought it if it wasn't a good game...?
I think the real question is how would people have played it long enough to know if it's a good game if they haven't bought it? I mean, you can infer something is a "good game" (in your own terms) to an extent without playing it or playing a short demo, but that means nothing but: You might buy it. Not play it.

For instance, I bought THUG (that first one) and Splinter Cell (the first one) and didn't like either of them, but loved their demos. On the otherhand, I was kinda unsure but bought Batman Begins: The Game and Ratchet and Clank (the first one, again) and love them more than my first brother ( wink )

It's all about your taste in games, anyway.
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I'd like to mention 2 things:

1) My little brother is the kid dressed as Link in the Minish Cap magazine adverts.

2) I reckon that Microsoft and Nintendo are secretly teaming up. Three Hundred and Sixty Degrees is a single Revolution.

That is all.

-Hybrid.
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evman101 wrote:

Bryce007 wrote:



And EV, you sayin that just because a game sold a billion copys, thats all that matters? you sound like a marketing executive. selling doesn't automatically mean "GOOD GAME".
Why would so many people have bought it if it wasn't a good game...?
Halo... Enter the Matrix... Manhunt... the list goes on.
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Yamfanny wrote:

A Pickle wrote:

Huh. I always thought the Revolution was going to be Nintendo's savior...

...guess not. Wellp, Nintendo's dead....
Ok, uneducated comments like that make me mad.


Nintendo does not ned a savior. They made the greatest profit overall this gen, (And not by a small amount) and believe it or not, they've been steadily making more and more each gen.

Please, would ppl stop talking about how much trouble nintendo is in....

It's just annoying.
You are in a little dreamworld. Nintendo lag way behind Sony and Microsoft in both sales and profits. The only thing that keeps them afloat are the various Gameboys.

If the PSP beats the Gameboy too badly Nintendo are surely doomed on the hardware side although they will probably always be around making their titles for the other consoles like Sega.

The PSP may not have many good games but neither did the PS2 and that pwned the other consoles.

As to the Revolutionary controller, I think it will flop. Firstly its very different which will alienate a lot of people. Secondly the amazing new tilt thingy has been done before by Microsoft! That failed because although it was a good gimmick, it wasnt actually better than a normal controller. It failed because of the concept, not the implementation so I don't see how Nintendo will do any better with it. I expect they will bring out a normal controller after a short while.

I can see the Revelution as another Dreamcast. Much loved by a minority of hardcore fans but essentially a farewell system.
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*my first post! yay!

I think this is gonna rock! OH YEAH. The deisign is a bit wierd but who cares? I would LOVE to play a WarioWare or a Mario Party game on this thing! If you wanna see what the guys over at Brickfilms wanted to say: They have their own thread here: http://www.brickfilms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=8041

Dark Helmet..... man

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Kid wrote:

Yamfanny wrote:

A Pickle wrote:

Huh. I always thought the Revolution was going to be Nintendo's savior...

...guess not. Wellp, Nintendo's dead....
Ok, uneducated comments like that make me mad.


Nintendo does not ned a savior. They made the greatest profit overall this gen, (And not by a small amount) and believe it or not, they've been steadily making more and more each gen.

Please, would ppl stop talking about how much trouble nintendo is in....

It's just annoying.
You are in a little dreamworld. Nintendo lag way behind Sony and Microsoft in both sales and profits. The only thing that keeps them afloat are the various Gameboys.
Can someone please find some sales statistics? I'm 90% sure that nintendo made the most profit WORLDWIDE. Not in america. That's for sure. But overall, worldwide, I think they made the biggest profit.
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pooky wrote:

evman101 wrote:

Bryce007 wrote:



And EV, you sayin that just because a game sold a billion copys, thats all that matters? you sound like a marketing executive. selling doesn't automatically mean "GOOD GAME".
Why would so many people have bought it if it wasn't a good game...?
Halo... Enter the Matrix... Manhunt... the list goes on.
haha, I hate halo, but enter the matrix wasn't as bad as people say it was. But, I've heard a majority of good things about nintendogs in particular.
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But enter the matrix wasn't as bad as people say it was.
You have GOT to be kidding me, it had levels (for example any scene involving a car) that were so incomplete that they were actually almost impossible to complete. This game was one of the few so poor that I actually outright said "Enter the Matrix Sucks" to the reps at an Atari booth.
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Enter the MAtrix was good, but I've gotta agree with Hybird, it was incomplete. There were so many glitches where the prerendered video would fail to play at a specific point, hence not unlocking doors that were necessary for completion of a level. I got stuck in a glitch and had to restart completely. Not fun.
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I thought it wasn't amazing, but it wasn't terrible. It was just there.
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Yeah, its fun for about 30 seconds. As for halo, i thought it was a great party game, and a pretty fun single player ordeal.
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Kid wrote:

Yamfanny wrote:

A Pickle wrote:

Huh. I always thought the Revolution was going to be Nintendo's savior...

...guess not. Wellp, Nintendo's dead....
Ok, uneducated comments like that make me mad.


Nintendo does not ned a savior. They made the greatest profit overall this gen, (And not by a small amount) and believe it or not, they've been steadily making more and more each gen.

Please, would ppl stop talking about how much trouble nintendo is in....

It's just annoying.
You are in a little dreamworld. Nintendo lag way behind Sony and Microsoft in both sales and profits. The only thing that keeps them afloat are the various Gameboys.

If the PSP beats the Gameboy too badly Nintendo are surely doomed on the hardware side although they will probably always be around making their titles for the other consoles like Sega.

The PSP may not have many good games but neither did the PS2 and that pwned the other consoles.

As to the Revolutionary controller, I think it will flop. Firstly its very different which will alienate a lot of people. Secondly the amazing new tilt thingy has been done before by Microsoft! That failed because although it was a good gimmick, it wasnt actually better than a normal controller. It failed because of the concept, not the implementation so I don't see how Nintendo will do any better with it. I expect they will bring out a normal controller after a short while.

I can see the Revelution as another Dreamcast. Much loved by a minority of hardcore fans but essentially a farewell system.
Kid, you usually say some of the most intelligible things ont he site. But this was foolish. Nintendo killed Microsoft and Sony in Money value, counting games and hardware, in profits, by quite a massive amount. The GCN helped a little, adding a little less than the sales from XBox world-wide. The GBA worldwide absolutely destroyed everything. The games they developed helped as well with games like SSBM selling well over 1,000,000 copies in its lifetime. Also, the lack of good games is obviously not helping nor "pwning" anything. On the contrary in this case. DS is bitch slapping the PSP in sales. "If the PSP beats the Gameboy too badly." That made me rofl. Gameboy (assuming you meant GBA) can never be caught by PSP. It is the best selling video game system EVER made. PSP isn't even beating DS. I doubt it will touch the Gameboy. How will Revolution be the last? Nintendo is proffiting. Sega was falling since Saturn. Notice how far it was behind at those times? Yeah, we will see a decrease in sales and the getting owned by competition (like you guys are assuming is happening now for some God awful reason) before we see the end of them in the console business. Also, Iwata said that if they go out of the console business, they will go out of the video game business. Now, after reading all that, I doubt you really think this will be the last of them. Where are you guys getting the impression that Nintendo is falling? This confuses me, unless you assume the entire gaming industry will fall at the same time, because according to numbers, Nintendo is pwning. unsure Gameboy is indeed keeping them afloat, but so is the GCN, the DS, and their software titles. Check your sources before you make a post like that, throwing out stats that sound like you made up.
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Erm, what!? Kid is right when it comes to profits and sales from tv box consoles - Sony and Microsoft are destroying the poor old GC.

Nintendo are not making more money according to every report I've read. The GC only made money in the first year it was released, after that (due to the dropped prices, the silly format and terrible sales) its lost money every year.

DS is female dog slapping the PSP in sales. "If the PSP beats the Gameboy too badly." That made me rofl. Gameboy (assuming you meant GBA) can never be caught by PSP. It is the best selling video game system EVER made. PSP isn't even beating DS. I doubt it will touch the Gameboy.
Kid was talking about current sales, not all time sales - not sure why you would think he was meaning that as its quite a pointless number when it comes to running a business. Nintendo care about what they sell NOW, not in the past.

The GB range was once a profit mountain for Nintendo but this isn't the case anymore. Increased unit costs, increased advertising costs and lower sales than expected meant the DS had trouble from the start and now its being killed by the PSP. The PSP is nearly selling as many as the whole GB range in Japan which is insane considering its price and how its a new product! Not so insane when you hold it in your hand are realise its about 10 years ahead of the best Nintendo currently offer.

Then if you add the PS2 and GC to the mix you're talking about Sony outselling Nintendo by huge margins. If you look at DS vs PSP then Sony have destroyed Nintendo, not as much as the PS2 destroys the GC (and Xbox for that matter) but still by a massive margin.

Nintendo are not making more profit year-on-year. Just a couple of years ago (before the GBA) they were having one of the worst years in the company's history and were talking about having to shut down. I hope things don't get this bad for them again, but with the PSP, PS3 and Xbox360 in the pipeline I can't see things being that happy for Nintendo.

The GB range used to sell at about the level of the PS2 in Japan and the GC used to make Nintendos total console sales just above those of Sony (although there have been months when the PS2 has outsold the entire Nintendo range). Since the release of the PSP, Sony's total console sales are now nearly double that of Nintendo (this is also due to a drop in GB sales since the release of the PSP). As always, this will slowly be repeated globally over the next year.
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Yamfanny: There is no such comparison in profit. Since Sony and Microsoft do other things and Nintendo doesn't they are incomparable. Obviously Microsoft dwarfs the other 2.

Going on hardware sales these are the worldwide figures for end of 2004.

PS2 81.39m
Xbox 19.9m
Gamecube 18.03

GB Adv 65.74m
GB DS 2.84m
PSP 0.51m
N-Gage 1.3m
PS1 101.73m

As you can see Sony is way ahead on the main consoles. We can't really see how PSP and DS compare since they weren't out then.

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schwar wrote:

The PSP is nearly selling as many as the whole GB range in Japan which is insane considering its price and how its a new product! Not so insane when you hold it in your hand are realise its about 10 years ahead of the best Nintendo currently offer.
I couldn't agree more. I was misled to believe that the DS had the same capabilities as the PSP.....not so. The graphics are sub-Playstation, whereas PSP borders on PS2 quality. DS is a RIP OFF.
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Yamfanny: There is no such comparison in profit. Since Sony and Microsoft do other things and Nintendo doesn't they are incomparable. Obviously Microsoft dwarfs the other 2.
Dude, Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo all have games divisions. We are comparing the profits on THOSE. Not the company as a whole. Obviously.

And when you compare, Microsoft has taken a NEGATIVE $1 billion loss YEARLY. There was only one quarter where they actually made a profit. That's right, Microsoft XBox division cost the company $5 billion.

The numbers I remember were as of 2004, however;
Microsoft's profits were negative.
Sony had the highest revenue of any of the game companies.
Nintendo, just barely, had the highest profits. And I mean barely, the figures were extremely close.


Why? It makes perfect sense when you think about it.

Microsoft was selling the XBox at an $80 loss per system. Okay, no duh they lost money.

Sony was selling the PS2 at a loss as well, but at a lesser loss, enough that they made it back by selling games. However, remember that Sony relies mostly on third party support, and Sony only gets a small cut of the third party games sold. So Sony makes less money off third party games than third party and takes a small loss on each console.


NINTENDO on the other hand, has been selling the GameCube at a profit since LAUNCH. They only sold for a loss for a single quarter, when the GameCube first dropped to $99. Further, Nintendo sells more first-party games than either of the other companies, and therefore gets 100% of the profits.


As a result; Sony sells the most PS2's and has the most revenue, but they also have higher operating costs because of the fact that each PS2 takes as loss and they have to make it back. They also make less money off each game sold except the few first party games that sell well.

Nintendo has a lower revenue but higher profit because they make no losses on any of their hardware.



Going on hardware sales these are the worldwide figures for end of 2004.

PS2 81.39m
Xbox 19.9m
Gamecube 18.03

GB Adv 65.74m
GB DS 2.84m
PSP 0.51m
N-Gage 1.3m
PS1 101.73m
Which only makes my point that much more impressive.
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Nintendo didn't make the highest profit in 2004 at all, Sony made the highest profit AND turnover.

The GC alone has only turned a profit for a few quarters since it was released. Sony also sells more first party and associated party software (which they have a share in) than Nintendo does and vastly more third-party titles.

Both the GC and the PS2 have had stages of being sold for a profit or and loss - both are sold at a profit now.

Its true Nintendo has a higher percentage profit on its systems and games, but as Sony sells so many more, and they average a much higher cost, they make much more profit overall.
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schwar wrote:

Erm, what!? Kid is right when it comes to profits and sales from tv box consoles - Sony and Microsoft are destroying the poor old GC.
BWAHAHA!

When it comes to sales, they're LESS THAN A PERCENTAGE POINT behind Microsoft, and when it comes to profit, Microsoft is in the NEGATIVE and Sony and Nintendo are neck to neck!


Nintendo are not making more money according to every report I've read. The GC only made money in the first year it was released, after that (due to the dropped prices, the silly format and terrible sales) its lost money every year.
The media seems to have a GC bias in the U.S.. I recommend just looking up the RAW NUMBERS instead of reading reports.

Only made money in the first year? The GC sold at a profit every year, and only sold at a loss for a single quarter. There was no way they could NOT make money. If someone bought a single GameCube, they made money.

When you consider Nintendo is the only company that does NOT sell at a loss, and sells more first party games than any of the others, you realize Nintendo is kicking Microsoft's pants and has enough to give Sony a run for their money. Sony isn't worried about Nintendo, because while Nintendo is making money, the marketshare is staying low along with Microsoft. They should be worried for the next generation though.



DS is female dog slapping the PSP in sales. "If the PSP beats the Gameboy too badly." That made me rofl. Gameboy (assuming you meant GBA) can never be caught by PSP. It is the best selling video game system EVER made. PSP isn't even beating DS. I doubt it will touch the Gameboy.
Kid was talking about current sales, not all time sales - not sure why you would think he was meaning that as its quite a pointless number when it comes to running a business. Nintendo care about what they sell NOW, not in the past.

The GB range was once a profit mountain for Nintendo but this isn't the case anymore. Increased unit costs, increased advertising costs and lower sales than expected meant the DS had trouble from the start and now its being killed by the PSP. The PSP is nearly selling as many as the whole GB range in Japan which is insane considering its price and how its a new product! Not so insane when you hold it in your hand are realise its about 10 years ahead of the best Nintendo currently offer.
Wow, you want to talk about PSP sales in Japan? You're braver than I thought. Okay, here's some raw numbers for you. Read them and apologize for your ignorance immediately.

Numbers for each week of August:

Japanese hardware sales for August 1 - August 7:

System - Weekly sales

1. NDS - 43,665
2. PS2 - 34,057
3. PSP - 20,571
4. GBASP - 12,107
5. NGC - 4,445
6. GBA - 419
7. XBX - 228


Okay, DS outsold PS2 by 9,000 units. Woah; DS outsold PSP by twice as much. PSP outsold GBA SP by 8,000 units.

Not too bad.


That's the first week.

Let's keep going.

Japanese hardware sales for August 8 - August 14:

System - Weekly sales

1. NDS - 103,095
2. PS2 - 37,041
3. PSP - 25,100
4. GBASP - 19,958
5. NGC - 3,799
6. GBA - 708
7. XBX - 202


Did I just spy...the DS outselling the PSP by four times?


Japanese hardware sales for August 15 - August 21:

System - Weekly sales (2005 sales)

1. DS: 80,945 (1,462,984)
2. PS2: 33,292 (1,322,678)
3. PSP: 23,923 (1,150,150)
4. GBASP: 16,721 (483,335)
5. GC: 3,960 (148,345)
6. GBA: 822 (17,219)
7. Xbox: 263 (9,458)

And again?

Japanese hardware sales for August 22 - August 28:

System - Weekly sales (2005 sales)

1. NDS: 57,313 (1,520,298)
2. PS2: 27,161 (1,349,839)
3. PSP: 20,322 (1,170,476)
4. GBA SP: 11,144 (494,479)
5. NGC: 2,586 (150,931)
6. GBA: 652 (17,871)
7. XBX: 130 (9,588)

And now three times?




Japanese hardware sales for August 29 - September 04:

System - Weekly sales (2005 sales)

NDS: 58,579 (1,578,877)
PS2: 26,282 (1,376,121)
PSP: 22,610 (1,193,086)
GBASP: 11,081 (505,560)
NGC: 2,388 (153,319)
GBA: 538 (18,409)
XBX: 198 (9,786)


And...still three times?


And now September:

Japanese hardware sales for September 05 - September 11:

System - Weekly sales (2005 sales)

NDS - 47,239 (1,626,116)
PS2 - 26,156 (1,402,277)
PSP - 22,133 (1,215,219)
GBASP - 8,997 (514,557)
NGC - 1,923 (155,342)
GBA - 506 (18,915)
Xbox - 118 (9,904)

2005 sales / Overall sales

DS - 1,626,116 / 3,121,712
PSP - 1,215,219 / 1,697,471
DS Lead - 410,897 / 1,424,241

Do your research before you post.

The PSP is getting it's butt kicked in Japan.

That is current info as of this week.

Do I spy the DS with a 1.4 million unit lead in Japan?





Then if you add the PS2 and GC to the mix you're talking about Sony outselling Nintendo by huge margins. If you look at DS vs PSP then Sony have destroyed Nintendo, not as much as the PS2 destroys the GC (and Xbox for that matter) but still by a massive margin.
Let's see.


The DS outselling the PSP versus the PS2 (sold at a loss) outselling the GameCube (sold at a profit).


Even if in the last year Sony's profits edged out Nintendo's (very likely in the console market, heck no in the handheld market), Nintendo still is making a ton.
Posted: Tue, 20th Sep 2005, 4:25pm

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ben3308 wrote:

schwar wrote:

The PSP is nearly selling as many as the whole GB range in Japan which is insane considering its price and how its a new product! Not so insane when you hold it in your hand are realise its about 10 years ahead of the best Nintendo currently offer.
I couldn't agree more. I was misled to believe that the DS had the same capabilities as the PSP.....not so. The graphics are sub-Playstation, whereas PSP borders on PS2 quality. DS is a RIP OFF.
Look, I'm not to be a jerk coming in here trying to offend people. But...


I'm sorry, but anyone who can walk into a store, see a $130 system and a $250 system, and think the $130 system that has more hardware features (touch screen, microphone, multiple cartridge slots, etc), can be as powerful as a system TWICE THE FREAKING PRICE, is either an incredible idiot or flunked economics.

I'm hoping its the latter for you.

FYI; the DS is N64-level (N64 was far more powerful than PS1), and the PSP is Dreamcast level.

Rip off? Dude, it's half the price, yet has a lot of capabilities the other does not; but has weaker graphics, because it's HALF THE PRICE. This is a no-duh thing. Blindingly obvious.


A lesson for you:
When System A costs $130 and has games for $30 apeice and System B costs $250 and has games that cost $50 apeice, it's safe to suspect that System B has more expensive hardware.

I prefer the DS because of its unique capabilities.



10 years ahead? Is that some kind of joke?



By the reasoning I see in this thread...
"That $500 iBuyPower gaming rig I bought is such a rip off! I was lead to believe it was just as powerful as the $3000 Alienware, but it's not! iBuyPower is like 10 years behind Alienware!"

And the $500 PC wouldn't have the touchscreen either.

Just to give you an idea of how ridiculous you sound.
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Hehehe, you angry little man...

Well you're reading totally different figures to all the ones I've read.

Would you care to state where you get your sales numbers? According to everything I've read sales in August of the PSP (including exports) were over 1.8million with the entire GB range (including exports) sitting just over 1.5 million. If you then add the PS2 and the GC to this you have over 3 million Sony unit sales compared to under 2 million for Nintendo.

Many stats don't include online or export sales which I have included in mine although they seem very different from yours.

Btw, the PS2 isn't sold at a loss anymore... it hasn't been for nearly a year in Japan. As it is Sony is making more money per console than Nintendo is at the moment and (according to what I've read) its selling more.

Its obvious you are a total Nintendo lover - I wish your platform all the best in the future, lets just hope its next console is something special.

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Praxis wrote:

Look, I'm not to be a jerk coming in here trying to offend people. But...
Not quite sure where you've appeared from with all your "no-duh" statistics, but this topic is meant to be about the new controller, not an endless back-and-forth about profit margins.

Console vs Console is a restricted topic here due to the inherent pointlessness of such discussions. As this has turned into another "my opinion is better than your opinion" aka "i can google for more unreferenced facts than you" aka Console vs Console debate, the thread is now locked.

And besides, no matter who made the most money, it doesn't stop the new remote control thing from being a bit lame, and Nintendo games being designed for children. smile