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Posted: Sun, 18th Sep 2005, 7:14pm

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carda

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Hi, I just finished watching:

http://fxhome.com/cinema/info_cache/movieinfo1981.html

And at the end he vanishes, is this accomplished by EL?
If so could you give me a quick tut on how to do this;
I know that Chromanator easily can do this, but after watching this clip I thought that EL may be able to do it aswell.
Posted: Sun, 18th Sep 2005, 7:44pm

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Serpent

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Ok, this is simple. It can be done in WMM. Just film your actor, tell him to get off set. Then the last frame where he isn't there, make it a still and have it last a few seconds. Then cut the clip to the end of where you want him dissapearing. Then just do a dissolve transition in between.
Posted: Sun, 18th Sep 2005, 8:46pm

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Serpent's idea should work just fine. If you still want to know if there is a way do this in EffectsLab Dv, then I have a method you could use. It is a little more involved than Serpent's suggestion, but gives you a little more control over the fade its self.

As I said, I will post my suggestion if anyone wants to know a method of doing this in EffectsLab Dv, it wouldn't be a problem for me at all, but Serpents idea should work just fine if you choose to use it.

Tell me what you think.
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Posted: Mon, 19th Sep 2005, 10:38am

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Simon K Jones

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Although you don't need to worry about having a still specifically, all you need is a blank plate of the shot without the actor. Then dissolve between the two.
Posted: Mon, 19th Sep 2005, 5:55pm

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carda

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Ok, sounds simple.. But just in case, yes Wizard I would be interested in the method you suggested.
Posted: Mon, 19th Sep 2005, 6:18pm

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Okay, carda, the best method I could come up with for doing this effect incorporates the use of two masks, and a stock media file that contains the exact camera angle as the footage you are going to want to fade, but with out the actors.

Note: Stock media files must be of a QuickTime file format to be accepted as stock footage in EffectsLab Dv.

When you film your footage that you wish to be faded, make sure you are using a tripod, or that you have your camera on something that can guarantee it will not move through out the filming. Even a change in light can hinder your success with this effect. Film your actor(s) (or the object/objects) that you wish to be faded.

Once you have filmed that, remove what you wish to be faded out of the shot. Remember, make sure to not move the camera. To avoid complications you may have with this method, film the second video with out the actor/object you wish to fade for the same amount of time as your original clip (at least as long as the original. Longer doesn't really matter). If your second clip is not as long as the first, it isn't that much of a problem, but you may encounter complications, so I am going to suggest you avoid doing it when possible.

As I said above, your second clip must be ready for use as stock footage, so make sure it is QuickTime. If it isn't, then simply open it in EffectsLab Dv, and then render it as QuickTime. If you have a better method of converting, feel free, as long as it is QuickTime.

Now you want to open your first clip in EffectsLab Dv. Then import your stock footage, and make sure it is at the beginning of your time line. Select the masking option of your stock footage, and then draw a mask around your footage. When I say "around", I mean for you to have it completely encompass the video. So make sure the mask vertex points are a little a bit away from each of the corners.

Masked footage:


You mask the stock footage to prevent the picture from being made brighter when the footage over laps your other video. Now that you have made the mask, skip a head to the frame you want the fade to begin. Once at this frame, add a key frame. Do this by right clicking, and selecting "Add Keyframe", in the area illustrated below.

Right click here, add key frame:


You add this key frame to prevent the masks strength from changing before this point. This is how you control when the fade begins. Now move a head in the time line until you find the point you wish the fade to be complete. The more space between those points, the slower the fade. Once at this point bring the masks strength to zero. It should now gradually drop from a strength of 100, to a strength of 0 in between the newly added key frame, and the end of the fade.

The first part is now complete, not much more to do. Select the masking options of the original clip (the clip with your actors), and create a mask identical to the first mask you created. The only difference is that you will want the masks strength to be set to 0 at the beginning.

Note: Do not copy the original mask in an attempt to save time, this will most likely cause complications as it did for me. You can try this if you like, but I find it better to simply create the mask a second time.

Now that the mask is created, advance to the point in your timeline in which you began the fade of the stock footage (where you added the key frame). Add a key frame for this mask as well. Then advance further until you reach the point in which you ended the fade of the stock footage. At this point you want to bring your masks strength to 100.

There you have it, a fade effect in less time then it took you to film your footage. Both your original, and stock footage videos should fade at the same time, allowing for the appearance of an individual, or object fading.

Note: Please notify me at any time if there is a problem with either picture I supplied above, so that I may correct the error.

Hope this is clear.
Wizard.
Posted: Mon, 19th Sep 2005, 6:33pm

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carda

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Thank you Wizard, you explained superbly! I really appreciate your help.

Thanks,

Carda.
Posted: Thu, 22nd Sep 2005, 10:28pm

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irishcult

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yea i just did what serpent said.
Posted: Fri, 23rd Sep 2005, 1:44am

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Fill

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Wizard...YOU ARE ON FIRE!!!

Nice tut man!

I'm not going to use movie maker anymore so I can just do It all in EL!

Thanks again!

Keep em' comin'!
Posted: Fri, 23rd Sep 2005, 2:04am

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swg33k wrote:

Wizard...YOU ARE ON FIRE!!!...Nice tut man!
Lol, thank you, glad you like it. I appreciate the compliment.

swg33k wrote:

I'm not going to use movie maker anymore so I can just do It all in EL!
Well Serpents idea is a good one, and would most likely work just fine for you. I am not sure how both methods compare in terms of ease of use, and the amount of time needed, but I find using EffectsLab Dv offers more control over the speed of the fade, and perhaps a few other properties. It can't replace an NLE in every aspect though, so you can't write off Windows Movie Maker all together lol.

swg33k wrote:

Thanks again!
You are welcome.
Wizard.
Posted: Fri, 23rd Sep 2005, 2:11am

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Serpent

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If you have any other NLE, it uses the same customization as EL. But if not, for a quick effect just use WMM, it is quicker. I don't have WMM, but I am guessing there is some kind of dissolve transition. Like Tarn said, video is better because you can tell when it is a still. Also, use the video from after you jumped off set because it will be more accurate. Sometimes you can film for just 30 seconds and the lighting will change completely.
Posted: Fri, 23rd Sep 2005, 2:19am

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Pooky

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Hah Wizard, it surprises me how incredibly helpful you are in the help forums... brilliant job.
Posted: Fri, 23rd Sep 2005, 2:29am

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Fill

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Yeah I've used WMM and I think its AMATURE...They give me this crap for there 'fun pack' some stupid graduation stuff...PSH...It's not ment for making movie movies...It's more for taping your friends wedding and dumping it in there...

I have acctually used the dissapearing effects in Windows Movie Maker but its easier to do it EL because It's all one big happy render....smile