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Corpse Bride

Posted: Fri, 23rd Sep 2005, 3:40am

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I just got back from the pre-screening of Corpse Bride. As I usually do when I get back from such things, I thought I should post my review. Five words rang through my head while watching this movie.

This movie sucks my ass.

There, if you think you will like this movie, you can just read that comment, and skip the rest.

Big suprise right? Again, Waser hates a movie that most of you will love. So what was wrong with this movie? Almost too much in my opinion. Let me start off by saying I probably had a bias against it long before it came out. When I saw the trailer a while ago I joked "Oh, so they're re-releasing Nightmare Before Christmas! I'm clever!" This observation to me wasn't far off from what the movie actually was. The two dead lovers. The dead dog. Many character repeats. Same style, and some of the music sounded exactly the same, just harpsicored up. Pretty much, to me this movie had very little originality to it. What made Nightmare Before Christmas so cool was that before it, there was nothing (really) like it. It was so unique, and funny, and clever. The most you'll get out of Corpse Bride is bad puns. Horrible puns. Not to mention horrible songs, which pains me because I know Danny Elfman is a wonderful songwriter (Oingo Boingo is my favorite band of all time). Instead of flowing naturally, the songs feel as though lines from the script were taken out and Burton told Elfman to write some music to it.

None of the characters in the movie are that good in my opinion. Jhonny Depp, who I decided to loathe after seeing Charlie and the Chocolate Facotry, provides a mis-cast voice. As a matter of fact, NONE of the voices in the movie really fit, especially Count Dooku's stint as a pasture.
I think one of the most annoying things about this movie, is that I could FEEL Burton feeding the emo/goth fad, as all the jokes seem to play right into their dark minds, and all the movie's melodrama feeds right into their broken hearts. Such lines as "I've been in the darkness for so long I forgot how beautiful the moonlight was." have to be a Taking Back Sunday lyric.

Oh yeah, and the plot was predictable. I called one of the main revelations of the plot within the first ten minutes. Oh, and the ending is ridiculously bad.

To me, Burton has fallen so far from being the great director he once was. It seemed that he tried to breakaway from his style with remakes and Big Fish, but no one bought that, so he went back to milking that which got him so much recognition before. Or that might just be my opinion.

Actually, that probably just is it. I think everyone should see this movie, because you will all love it. Remember, I'm the guy who raved about War of the Worlds and The Ring Two, and didn't like Episode III and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.

Maybe I'm just bitter because my God damn copy of Indigo Prophecy is lost.
Posted: Fri, 23rd Sep 2005, 3:53am

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This movie sucks my ass.
lol I didn't read any further! I'm still laughing to hard! that's Great peace-knubs
Posted: Fri, 23rd Sep 2005, 4:04am

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I liked Nightmare Before Christmas, but it always creaped me outm so I started to hate it. I will probably hate this too.

Waser, I liked all of the movies you listed at the bottom. razz I sm usually easy to please, but I don't ever watch bad movies like: XXX State if the Union. However, the movies I have watched that I absolutley HATED were the Hunchback of Notredam, Ocean's 12, Air Bud, most emotional sports movies (though I have only seen a few), and the old "the Longest Yard."
Posted: Fri, 23rd Sep 2005, 4:10am

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Yes, Any Given Sunday did suck
Posted: Fri, 23rd Sep 2005, 8:20am

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You have my respect, Waser. I am impressed.
Posted: Fri, 23rd Sep 2005, 9:57am

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I quite liked Any Given Sunday. And given that I loathe sports films and have negative interest in American football, I was rather surprised. I think it's because I like Al Pacino and Jamie Foxx....plus the absurd testosterone levels in the film amused me throughout.

As for Corpse Bride, I might go see it simply because I rather like stop motion, and the trailer looked quite fun to me. While I'm not a fan of the 'emo/goth fad', I'm also not strangely allergic to it, so maybe it won't bother me. Although I was hoping it would be more proper Gothic fairytale, rather than kiddiegoth self-loathing.
Posted: Fri, 23rd Sep 2005, 1:00pm

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I saw the commercials and previews in the theaters...It doesn't even look funny...ITS GAY!

How much more retarted could Tim Burton get?

Oh yes he's a great director but he doesn't know how to use his imagination without making it zainy(weird...stupid) he is always coming out with these crappy ideas that really just FLOP in the theaters...

Waser I HIGHLY agree with you...I don't think its worthy to suck your ass...Not even but...but some one low enough....Bill Clinton!

ROFL
Posted: Fri, 23rd Sep 2005, 1:24pm

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swg33k wrote:

I saw the commercials and previews in the theaters...It doesn't even look funny...ITS GAY!
Shouting "ITS GAY!" isn't the way to avoid those -1s, swg33k.

How much more retarted could Tim Burton get?
It is spelt 'retarded'.

Oh yes he's a great director but he doesn't know how to use his imagination without making it zainy(weird...stupid)
His style is unusual, wacky and classic/hammer horror-inspired imagination. If you're not comfortable with that, stick with Ron Howard films. And, no, weird doesn't automatically equal stupid.

he is always coming out with these crappy ideas that really just FLOP in the theaters...
Yes. Batman, Batman Returns, Edward Scissorhands, Ed Wood, Big Fish, Sleepy Hollow, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - what flops! They're all either critical or commercial successes (mostly both).

You don't have to agree with Waser so strenuously that you start making up clearly incorrect facts, you know. smile
Posted: Fri, 23rd Sep 2005, 1:36pm

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I'm into sports, pretty much all of them. Which makes me love sport movies.I used to know pretty much every line in the Mighty Ducks series, and I can still sit down and watch movies like The Replacements with Keanu Reeves.
I liked Any Given Sunday too, honestly thought it was a great.

Anyway, I haven't got around to see Chocolate Factory yet even though I adore Tim Burton. I can't imagine myself not seeing Corpse's Bride when it hits theaters here. He's definitly in my top10 list of directors but I can't help agree with Waser about:
To me, Burton has fallen so far from being the great director he once was. It seemed that he tried to breakaway from his style with remakes and Big Fish, but no one bought that, so he went back to milking that which got him so much recognition before.
I'm not gonna call him a sellout, directors do change over time and with the possibilitys they get to remake movies that might have been their dreams since childhood, they are aloud to go diffrent directions. I dunno what peoples reaction would have been if this was an official sequal to Nightmare before Christmas (dont ask me how that would work). Those I think Burton has a very clear visual style all through his movies since beetlejuice (i havent seen anything beforet that) So, still i have to disagree with you.
Posted: Fri, 23rd Sep 2005, 2:27pm

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Tarn wrote:

His style is unusual, wacky and classic/hammer horror-inspired imagination. If you're not comfortable with that, stick with Ron Howard films. And, no, weird doesn't automatically equal stupid.
Your missing my point...I'm saying he has made LOTS of cruddy movies...and this is one of them...I don't think I can appreciate his work as much now...

[MOD EDIT: You don't need to quote an entire post if you're only referring to it in general, especially if your response only takes up a couple of lines.]
Posted: Fri, 23rd Sep 2005, 2:31pm

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You think he's produced lots of cruddy movies, and you don't like his 'zainy' ideas, yet you say that you don't think you can appreciate his work as much now as compared to...when exactly? Sounds like you've never liked him!

Except you also say he's a great director...

I'm rather confused as to what you're trying to say. smile
Posted: Fri, 23rd Sep 2005, 2:52pm

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Waser would like to point out that he is in no way affiliated with swg33k
Posted: Fri, 23rd Sep 2005, 7:13pm

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swg33k wrote:

...ITS GAY!


ROFL
I believe the term is Sexually Flexible. And as for the Bill Clinton... (I don't know what to call it... joke? poke?) I hate the guy too, but that wasn't at all funny. Just, as you say, "retarted".
Posted: Fri, 23rd Sep 2005, 8:20pm

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Heh...I think I'll shutup...Thanks for the corrections Tarn(I think I'm confusing you as I myself...)

I just don't like it when Tim Burton trys to make a 'scary' movie because in my opinion his talent in filmaking isn't those types of movies...He's better at making action(Batman Begins)...Or just plain comedy(Charlie and the Chocolate factory)

And I also said that I don't like corpse bride because usually when you see a preview for a Tim Burton movie and it stinks...The movie is MOST LIKELY to stink as well...The only exeption I've seen of this is Charlie and the Chocolate factory...I thought it would stink but I really enjoyed it...

Guys I think I need to stop posting in the mornings...I don't even know what I'm saying...Sorry for the stupidity...Heh...I hate it when your school makes you write a letter at the beginning of the year of your opinions of the world and what you think is cool and at the end of the year you read it...YOU FEEL LIKE AN IDIOT...Show you how much you have changed...smile

In my case it is a much shorter perios of time....(Sorry I have moodswings ROFL)
Posted: Fri, 23rd Sep 2005, 9:19pm

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haha wow, waser could post "boo" and he'd get rated up
haha
Posted: Fri, 23rd Sep 2005, 9:22pm

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Lol seriously and I could post the same and I get rated down!

ISN'T IT GREAT?
Posted: Fri, 23rd Sep 2005, 9:31pm

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haha yeah
Posted: Fri, 23rd Sep 2005, 10:10pm

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After watching Nightmare Before Christmas again the other night, I am very excited to see Corpse Bride, maybe not for the plot, but for the technical aspects. It's been 12 years since TNBC, so it's not surprising that the animation is better, but after watching that, and seeing the corpse bride trailer, it blows me away how good it looks.
Posted: Fri, 23rd Sep 2005, 10:12pm

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Yeah...I can't deny that the animation is amazing...
Posted: Sat, 24th Sep 2005, 7:15am

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swg33k wrote:

Lol seriously and I could post the same and I get rated down!

ISN'T IT GREAT?
yes, you and I are the same. Quite the same. infact, I wouldn't doubt if were seperated at birth. that movie is gay! GAY!!!!!!!!!!!!homosexual
Posted: Sat, 24th Sep 2005, 7:45am

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I didn't read the whole thread- sorry if I'm re-iterating. Here's my take:

I was at the premiere screening at TIFF, and from what a recall:

1. Too wishy-washy. Depp's character goes back and forth a million times, and never makes a choice for himself. I dunno how two, let alone one, girl (dead or alive) could ever "love" a wishy-washer like that.

2. Better animation than Nightmare... less plot.

3. Burton proabbly had very little to do with the film- it was "co-directed", which usually means the bigger name is just a marketing tool... hence, "Tim Burton's Coprse Bride".

4. Charlie and Chocolate was crap. Burton didn't make it darker, he made it lighter than the original (remember the boat scene... what the hell!). The collaboratinos between him and Depp no longer make me salivate. Only good moment in Charlie Chocolate was the burning marionettes. From there it goes downhill.

5. Meh. The whole film left me thinking- was that it? Expectations disappointed.

Rent it, don't see it in theatres. It's not worth the night out. Go and see Water when it hits theatres... or AKA Tommy Chong. That was my favorite TIFF moment- the docuementary on how Tommy Chong was arrested for selling bongs, basically.
Posted: Sat, 24th Sep 2005, 7:47am

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[quote="swg33k"]...He's better at making action(Batman Begins)...[quote]

nuh-uh.. that's Chris nolan. Burton did Batman, and Returns. Begins is the director of such classics as Memento. I know a guy who's name is Chris Nolan. Always confuses the boogers outta me.
Posted: Sat, 24th Sep 2005, 2:12pm

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Waser wrote:

swg33k wrote:

Lol seriously and I could post the same and I get rated down!

ISN'T IT GREAT?
yes, you and I are the same. Quite the same. infact, I wouldn't doubt if were seperated at birth. that movie is gay! GAY!!!!!!!!!!!!homosexual
Dude...give it a rest....
Posted: Sat, 24th Sep 2005, 2:18pm

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Waser never rests... or sleeps, in fact. He lives on a strange mixture of coke, coffee, and plum juice.
Posted: Sat, 24th Sep 2005, 2:23pm

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heh...That explains alot...So really hes just being himself when it seems hes annoying me to death?

Hmm...Nice little layout of personality...
Posted: Sat, 24th Sep 2005, 4:00pm

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Why did I feel so embarassed when the oompa loompas starting singing? Any one else feel that?
Posted: Sat, 24th Sep 2005, 4:23pm

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Yeah...That was odd...It was better than the original...I thought it was quite funny...
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In hopes of ending this little tussle, I'll admit defeat. You win swg33k. I just feel silly.

Holy s**t it's Mechaforce.

I thought the singing in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was pretty gay, to say the least. I REALLY think Elfman has lost touch. I can't imagine anyone buying the Chocolate Facotry soundtrack or the Corpse Bride sounctrack on purpose.
Posted: Sat, 24th Sep 2005, 5:22pm

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Naw Waser I was defeated a long time ago...You win...
Posted: Sat, 24th Sep 2005, 6:02pm

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swg33k wrote:

Naw Waser I was defeated a long time ago...You win...
You know maybe people would like you if you didn't post random crap every other post. Maybe.



Maybe.


*waits for random crap*
Posted: Sat, 24th Sep 2005, 7:06pm

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I don't post random crap though Waser does...Only people accept it because everyones used to it...
Posted: Sat, 24th Sep 2005, 7:11pm

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swg33k wrote:

I don't post random crap though Waser does...Only people accept it because everyones used to it...
No, I didn't accept it, as you don't. But you have to learn, in Waser's comments, there is a method to the madness and most of what he says helps out someone is someway, and.......well..........he is funny, whereas most of the time you just post like your trying to copy Waser or something, which is.....well........just lame.
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I liked it... The look was just too cool biggrin

I kno that it's shallow, but the whole feel of the movie was awesome. And the animation was impeccable....
Posted: Sun, 25th Sep 2005, 3:51am

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atom wrote:

...like your trying to copy Waser or something, which is.....well........just lame.
WTF?!

Dude...I don't copy people...Yes your right thats lame...I don't post random crap I try to post 'funny' things...But you people have a different type of humor...(Thats not a bad thing)

Dude seriously...I hate copying people...Trends are another way of brainwahsing us into wanting to be 'another robot' so that we ALWAYS have to be like this person or style...I don't believe in following anyone...With the exeption of God...
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Waser wrote:

I can't imagine anyone buying the Chocolate Facotry soundtrack or the Corpse Bride sounctrack on purpose.
I own the Charlie and the Chocolate Factory OST.

And Holy cow! It's MechaForce!
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I don't think I'll bother with Corpse Bride, doesn't really seem my cup of tea...and it probably will cover the same area of moralising that Shrek did.

As for Charlie and the Chocolate Factory...that wasn't good. I thought the acting was good but the way the story was told was dire. The voiceover is awful, and the very last words are amazingly cheesy and unsatisfying.

And the songs are awful. They sound like some 80s release that never even made the charts. They date the film terribly already for me...when the rest of the film is pretty timeless. I would have much preferred a different style, maybe a musical or Frank Sinatra style complete with complementary oompa loompa dance moves and costumes.

I've just been to France and actually watched it there just to see if it was better than I remembered. It wasn't. They also had a trailer for Corpse Bride there before the movie and one thing confused me - the French trailer was trading on the fact that it had Johnny Depp and Helena Bonham Carter in it...well aren't they actually puppets in the movie and won't their voices be dubbed (as they were in the trailer?) *sigh*
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atom wrote:

swg33k wrote:

I don't post random crap though Waser does...Only people accept it because everyones used to it...
No, I didn't accept it, as you don't. But you have to learn, in Waser's comments, there is a method to the madness and most of what he says helps out someone is someway, and.......well..........he is funny, whereas most of the time you just post like your trying to copy Waser or something, which is.....well........just lame.
haha, atom you seam to forget peoples initial response to Waser, they thought he was just being stupid and that he wasnt funny. Heck Bad Action Movie was rated really low because everyone said his sense of humor was retarded. I think swg is right, there has been some getting use to Waser's sense of humor, whether it was concious or not.
Posted: Mon, 26th Sep 2005, 11:06am

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swg33k wrote:

WTF?!
I think what atom was trying to say was that you don't need to respond to every single post on the forum. The forum is best used for discussion, ie each post should aim to contribute something to the ongoing debate - whether it be funny, clever, thought-provoking, controversial...etc.

You seem to approach the forums more like an IRC chat room, replying to every single post with just a line or two in a conversational manner that doesn't really advance anything or suit the format, which results in a thread having lots and lots of posts from you with very little actual content. It might be best to wait a while to see how the thread is progressing, then you can just do a single post containing all your thoughts? That way you have less posts, but more content and thus more interest in what you're writing.

Just some friendly tips!

Dude seriously...I hate copying people...Trends are another way of brainwahsing us into wanting to be 'another robot' so that we ALWAYS have to be like this person or style...I don't believe in following anyone...With the exeption of God...
Classic.
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Thank you for the tips Tarn...Your right I should wait to see how a topic is progressing...It makes it more fun to hop into a conversatiion...biggrin
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What were we talking about?... O, yeah - Corpse Bride

I went and saw the Corpse Bride a couple nights ago … Overall I was disappointed for most of the reasons that have already been mentioned so I’ll flip the coin and mention the couple things I did like…

The animation was amazing! With most animated movies these days being fully computer animated it was great to see the stop-motion art form being kept alive. I also really liked the set designs and the art direction… although it may not be “original” in the sense that it mirrors “A Nightmare Before Christmas”, it is in Burton’s style which is unlike anyone else’s and although the story was predictable and the characters weak, I still found it to be some great eye candy. I may not watch the movie again for entertainment reasons but I’d see it again for its cinematography and technical aspects. I loved the lighting and the use of the black and gray countered with the sharp contrasts of colors like in the underworld scene with the dancing skeletons. And lastly, one of my favorite scenes was the piano-playing scene – simply put, it was brilliant!