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Posted: Wed, 5th Oct 2005, 10:57am

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I just made this test to see what i could do with Effectlab and some other chroma key software i have. i didn't add any sound, and i wasn't planning on showing this to anyone, but the clip deffinatly has its faults so i wanted to see what people say so i can improve.

please only make comments that are constuctive, becuase i know its not so amazing.
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Posted: Wed, 5th Oct 2005, 11:18am

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Rating: +1

I wouldn't say this is bad, I have seen worse, and a few of my first tests were not of the highest quality either. I did notice that the removed portions of you were very noticeable, particularly the area surrounding them. This is most likely due to a change in lighting/shading of your background plate, and you may want to look for this in future effects such as this.

I would stay away from walls, and other scenery that may give the effect away, if you can't find away around this problem. If this does end up being a problem, you can always try some "cosmetic work" by substituting portions of frames that have similar coloring, and shading, in the areas where it is more noticeable.

This may be time consuming, and I am un-aware if this is applicable in this case, but it may help. I would suggest trying to avoid this issue all together, by choosing better locations. I understand that is easier said then done, but your graphics can improve substantially with better planning.

That was the bigger matter I wanted to address, and everything else, such as the lack of sound, is completely acceptable for a test.

Not bad.
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Posted: Wed, 5th Oct 2005, 1:06pm

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Not bad!

How did you do it?

You shouldn't submit ALL of your films at once...Just let us see one at a time...Maybe post one every week...It will make it easier on us...Thanks

I hope you can use those cool skills to make some really nice stuff...

Keep it up!

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Posted: Wed, 5th Oct 2005, 1:10pm

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swg33k your thinking of aguayo he submit like 6 films he's only submitted one anyway I thought it was pretty average. I could see your mask because of the change of light which made it quite obvious the effects were OK. So im giving this a 2/5
Posted: Wed, 5th Oct 2005, 2:54pm

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I like what you were going for. The actualy masking of your arms and head were pretty decent, but your only problem was the shadow that you were casting meshing with a wall with no shadow. if you could control your lighting better, this would have been pretty sweet.
Posted: Wed, 5th Oct 2005, 3:02pm

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Just standing further away from the wall would reduce the shows cast. Waser is spot on it's your shadow thats causing most of the problems with the masking but ignoring that (and the total absense of blood lol) it's not bad. Just sort your lighting and actor positioning or prehaps try grading your background plate to match the foreground action better
Posted: Wed, 5th Oct 2005, 7:05pm

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The explosions you used were ground explosions, so you could see the lines at the bottom of them. If you use air explosions, there wont be that bottom line.
Posted: Wed, 5th Oct 2005, 11:59pm

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Besides the fact that the explosions were wrong, I thought this was a good test.
Posted: Thu, 6th Oct 2005, 12:22am

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first off, thanks for the posts. they were very helpful, and are the main point i posted the clip.

first of all, this is the first clip i ever submited, so i dont know why someone said i shouldn't sumbit so much at once. but whatever.

the inconsistensy of the lighting is pretty obvious, and is becuase i cast a shadow on the wall. i didn't think of this when i made it, becuase it was my first time.

the explosions i used only becuase they sort of shot off to the side, and could cover my arms while they vanished. i thought it looked kinda cool, but now i watch it again, its looks kinda stupid.

well, thanks for the tips, and i hope to make some more stuff soon.
Posted: Thu, 6th Oct 2005, 2:34am

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to answer swg33k's question, i did it very simply. I first added the lasers firing at me. easy.

the explosiong were from detonation films.

i added a freehand blue lightsaber over each of my arms and my head as they were supposed to apear. I then used a clean shot of the backround in combination with this, plug it into my chromakey software and viola, its done. whole thing took about an hour.
Posted: Thu, 6th Oct 2005, 9:08pm

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it just mite blow up in your face

Posted: Thu, 6th Oct 2005, 9:40pm

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whats that supposed to mean? why do you post something like? a responce to the thing i posted about your movie, no doubt.

come on, i posted a constuctive citisism. I thought out what i wanted to say, and posted what i thought could help most.

why cant you do the same?

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Posted: Fri, 7th Oct 2005, 12:54am

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i liked it for a test. You should work on ur timing. If you know what i mean. Time ur effects and movements better. If you watch ur test is slowmo you can tell that the bullet never really hits the arms and the explotions are a little late and blow up after the bullet is well gone. And when watched in realtime you can just tell that something is wrong. also the arms exploding off look a little weird. Not that there exploting but that the arm just disappers. I personally dont know how to do it nor have i tried. But making it look like debre of the arm is blown away would be cool. Nice job though

Irishcult

p.s. what program did you use to make the limbs disapear. I know you can do it with chromantor but i see you do not own this and u mentions that u used another program.
Posted: Fri, 7th Oct 2005, 1:21am

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believe me, before it was compressed, and some of the frames per second were lost, it looked a lot better

im about to purchase chrominator, and in the meantime, i use a free iMovie plugin which pretty much does the job.

thanks for your comments, and at that time, i didn't know how to make arms actually fly off.
Posted: Fri, 7th Oct 2005, 2:35am

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Oh my god that was so funny I liked it. It was good for a test,man that was funny I will give it a 3

Keep it up.
Posted: Fri, 7th Oct 2005, 7:21pm

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Heh, nice work for your first test. Better than mine! I liked the look of complete confusion as your most convienient limbs suddenly started dissapearing. Congratulations on your first submission, I very much liked it. Now try to implement this into something b ig!

As for aguayo, what was the relevance of that post? How did that contribute to anything? And why are you sponsoring YOUR movie in someone ELSE's thread?

Bad idea.
Posted: Fri, 7th Oct 2005, 8:20pm

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Most of what I wanted to say has been said, however, I do have a quick question. What is the name of the iMovie plugin that you used? It appears to do the job pretty well.

Thanks
Posted: Sat, 8th Oct 2005, 12:50am

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hey good job!! so you got that off effects lab? ya the blur around where ur arms are is very noticeable, but its good enough. biggrin
Posted: Sat, 8th Oct 2005, 3:05pm

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yea chromantor will do the trick i use the demo all the time i'm just in a money bind right now so all spare cash becauses lifeline cash. But cromator should do the trick.
Posted: Sat, 8th Oct 2005, 3:17pm

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Never use ground explosions like that. Detonation Films provides so much that that is unexcusable. Nothing special really, just a basic test, 1/5.

Also, swg33k, you are a walking contradiction.

swg33k wrote:


I'm sorry but this has NO originality.

Next time you submit something make it with a PLOT
0/5
You gave this a 4/5, and it had no plot and wasn't exactly original. There are plenty of tests exactly like this (nothing against the author.) I just don't think a test deserves a 4/5 unless it has a mini plot, is more than a couple of minutes, or completely changes the way we look at amateur visual effects. (Thinks of the Test, Sollthar's Matrix test, and stunt and vfx demo reels that members here put together.)
Posted: Sat, 8th Oct 2005, 3:55pm

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I simply didn't like Irishcult's.
This had acctually some originality and was a great test. It looked like he acctually spent time with it.

Sorry for the misunderstanding and vague messege.
Posted: Sat, 8th Oct 2005, 5:28pm

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This was actually pretty good, (For a 4 second test) and the fx were pretty good looking. Good job. smile
Posted: Sat, 8th Oct 2005, 5:34pm

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swg33k wrote:

I simply didn't like Irishcult's.
This had acctually some originality and was a great test. It looked like he acctually spent time with it.

Sorry for the misunderstanding and vague messege.
I like this one better than Irishcult's, but I thought it had less originality.
Posted: Tue, 11th Oct 2005, 5:15am

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I Notice that after the explosion, at the spot of your missing arms, there is some king of shadow moving arround. Were you not able to take it off...........mum i notice that this was a problem with chronomator.
Even went you erase a green spot, it alwase leeve a kind ok mark iven if it is an invisible mark, like is the shadow was not the same eanymore.
Posted: Tue, 11th Oct 2005, 2:07pm

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Gladius wrote:

I Notice that after the explosion, at the spot of your missing arms, there is some king of shadow moving arround.
He acctually shot it in two shots. One with him acting like his limbs were blasting off, and another of just the room. Both of them were in the same position just onne was brighter than the other, so it didn't work as well as it should of. I still say it's a great test!
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 4:16pm

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swg33k is right about the fact that i used two clips, but i think the reason one is darker is not becuase of the shadow, but becuase of the fact that the other one was shot later in the day, as the sun was going down. after looking at the effectslab file again, i noticed the the whole clip was darker, not just the part that had the shadow.

well, if you do this with a greenscreen its probably a whole ton better anyway.

thanks a lot for your posts, and becuaes of some peoples advice, im actually gonna be the fx guy in someone elses movie (yikes) and ive been doing this for about 3 months. so thanks a whole lot guys.

-sgb
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 4:21pm

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i forgot to post this in the previous post, so ill post it now. if you guys were wondering what the free imovie plugin i used for this is, you can download it from here:

http://www.freewebs.com/crimsonflameproductions/SS%20Masks%20&%20Compositing

just drag the file to your Home folder>library>imovie>plug-ins folder, or create it.

here is how to use it: take your footage of the blue screen and import it to iMovie. then, take your backround clip and drag it to the right of your bluescreen clip. make sure that the second clip is not longer than the first.

go to effects, and near the bottom of the list, click bluescreen smooth. adjust the sliders until the preview looks good, and press apply.

just note that this thing really is not so good. at all. chromanator is soo much better, so i would only use this temporarily until you buy chromanator. so have fun with it, becuase its really only good enough for fun and not an actual movie.
Posted: Wed, 26th Oct 2005, 5:07am

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hm that looked pretty good just the blur around where ur arms and ur head used to be were pretty obvious. but it looked good anyways. so u used effects lab, eh? hmm...ya i need to cut off my friends arm and legs for our movie but i need to see the arm come off, but u could just add that in right?
Posted: Thu, 27th Oct 2005, 2:28am

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gUnit wrote:

hm that looked pretty good just the blur around where ur arms and ur head used to be were pretty obvious. but it looked good anyways. so u used effects lab, eh? hmm...ya i need to cut off my friends arm and legs for our movie but i need to see the arm come off, but u could just add that in right?
Yea, here is what i do for that:

You can simply take a still of the person from the movie clip, and cut out their arm in photoshop or the equivilent. then, you can add this as stock footage, and using a clean backround plate, mask out the persons arm. then just add in the new stock footage arm, which can be animated to fly off.

But if you really want to do this kind of thing a whole lot, I personally find that Chromanator works better.