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How do you add alpha channels? [TIPS]

Posted: Thu, 6th Oct 2005, 4:51pm

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I need some black scorch marks for an explosion scene and i've checked other posts which say you need to put in an alpha channel but they didn't say how and i can't afford Chromanator or any Adobe programs. Does anyone have any suggestions, i.e. free programs etc.? confused
Posted: Fri, 7th Oct 2005, 1:09am

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i've been asking the same question sence i first got Effects lab. and i am still answerless. so if any one knows u would be helping more then one person. SOme one Please help

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Posted: Fri, 7th Oct 2005, 1:47am

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Im not sure if you can do it in effects lab, but you can add alpha channels to images in Adobe Photoshop, theres a thread about it somewhere, just do a search for it.
Posted: Fri, 7th Oct 2005, 2:15am

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You can use I think in this program if you convert to an mov. file than you can pick an option called Alpha channel.
Posted: Fri, 7th Oct 2005, 2:50pm

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Effects lab cant export alpha channle
Posted: Sat, 15th Oct 2005, 6:36pm

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I'm not quite clear on what your question is. What are you trying to do with the alpha channel?

As far as adding scorch marks,

http://fxhome.com/alamdv2/plugins/info_cache/plugin1030.html

that is a link to an AlamDV2 plug-in of... scorch marks. They are only single frames anyway, so just grab whichever image in there suits your purposes, and add it using EffectsLab.

http://fxhome.com/alamdv2/plugins/info_cache/plugin1032.html

is another similar plug-in.
Posted: Sun, 16th Oct 2005, 1:46am

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I already downloaded the plugins, but in the process of changing them to mov. files the backround was replaced with black and Effectslab recognized it all as transparent.
Posted: Sun, 16th Oct 2005, 4:15pm

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Yeah, rather than changing them to .mov files, either import them as an image stream, or just import the still images individually. That way it will retain the alpha information.

There are only a few Quicktime codecs that support alpha channels. If you really want to do it that way, try using the Animation codec.
Posted: Sun, 16th Oct 2005, 4:30pm

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Effects Lab work let you work with images and u need to convert the plug ins to stock foot but u need them to be changed with alpha channel on them.
Posted: Sun, 16th Oct 2005, 9:55pm

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The only way I have to convert the images to mov. is to make tham AVI in Windows Movie Maker then export them as mov. in FXlab. I don't have Quicktime Pro or anything
Posted: Mon, 17th Oct 2005, 1:44pm

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Or use Adobe Premeire and export them as .mov but the alpha channel still wont retain. And if u convert them to avi and then .mov in EL the alpha channel wont still be there. I've tried both ways. I say wait until fxvault and see how they do it.
Posted: Tue, 18th Oct 2005, 1:28am

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My question is, how long do we have to wait for FX vault?
Posted: Tue, 18th Oct 2005, 12:42pm

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JMC Studios wrote:

My question is, how long do we have to wait for FX vault?
It's been said a million times and I will repeat it. We don't know. The FXhome team does not give out release dates for things such as Chromanator 2, Effects Lab, let alone any of the Alam DVs!

You'll just have to wait and wait hoping the next day you will happen to see it on the news.
Posted: Wed, 19th Oct 2005, 2:07pm

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Axeman wrote:

Yeah, rather than changing them to .mov files, either import them as an image stream, or just import the still images individually. That way it will retain the alpha information.

There are only a few Quicktime codecs that support alpha channels. If you really want to do it that way, try using the Animation codec.
I would like to understand this better, can you give further detail?

When you say rather than change them into .mov files import them as an image stream or stills what program are you takling about? Export the desired plugin from AlamDV2 into what exactly and import them into EffectsLab by clicking where?
Posted: Wed, 19th Oct 2005, 2:31pm

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I'm guessing he was talking about the image in the plug in. (When u download a plugin and open it inside there are images.) I guess he ment that u take one of the images and import them into effects lab and the alpha channel would retain. OR take all the images import them and put them in. But effects lab unfortunitly wont let you work with images like i think he is talking about. I think that would be a great idea if you could work with images (.tif) in effects lab but that feature isnt present. Maybe someday i saw a post about it eairlier i think it was in the topic that says read this before posting a topic.
Hope that helped if not just reply agein.

Irishcult

Edit: You have alamdv so this shouldnt be a huge problem for you but i can see were ur intrest comes from. IF you have other questions i have tutorials at My Website and i udate it about 3 to 4 times a week. This includes tutorials. SO just cheak that out periodicly and hopfully i'll have a tut on image streaming.
Posted: Fri, 21st Oct 2005, 5:07am

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You are correct. My mistake. This type of compositing is reserved for Chromanator. I'll see what I can find out on what type of stock footage is needed for Elab's media system.
Posted: Fri, 21st Oct 2005, 2:29pm

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I believe the only format presently for Effects Lab Stock Media option is QuickTime’s .mov video format. Which I don’t blame them for using with it's easily used frame by frame previewing mixed with Effects Lab frame by frame editing it is one of the best choices for stock media.

If you go into Effects Lab Help and then the sticky topic FAQ: [READ ME BEFORE POSTING NEW TOPICS!] and scroll down until you see the the Q and A below the answer should give you a pretty straight forward answer.

er-no wrote:

Q) Does EffectsLab support image import?

A) Not currently, we are still deciding if enough people want this option. If you'd like to see this feature please add your request to one of the existing topics or email team@fxhome.com
I Have emailed that (team@fxhome.com) email address and requested image support to be added. I haven’t received a reply but I did expect one any way. Seeing how I am not yet a fully respectable member of fxhome I don’t exactly get updates on what’s coming next. I just go off of gut instincts, and I think something big is about to come out in the News of fxhome. Reasoning being- Fxhome has been extremely dull and unlivly the last few weeks. Less and less help topics are being posted and every one seems busy all the time lately in the Chat Room. But that’s just me. I'd just keep looking if I were you.
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Posted: Fri, 21st Oct 2005, 7:36pm

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irishcult wrote:

I haven’t received a reply but I did expect one any way. Seeing how I am not yet a fully respectable member of fxhome I don’t exactly get updates on what’s coming next.
It is not my belief that the FXhome team is prejudice, or selective when it comes to their members, and the support their members receive. Every member, not just specifically the gold users, receives the same amount and quality of help, and treatment when it comes to supporting their products, and updates/news to come.

You will learn what is coming just as every other member will, when it is time. So don't worry about not being respected, or in the "loop", because you are a member of this community, and we all get treated equally (as long as you follow the rules, and respect the team equally).

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Support information wrote:

Due to the large volume of email we get we cannot garentee a timely response. If your question is answered in the FAQs you will not recieve a response at all
It is possible that the FXhome team simply can not respond to you as it is, or they feel they have addressed your email enough in the past, in prior posts.

Equality, it's great.
Wizard.
Posted: Sun, 23rd Oct 2005, 11:47pm

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Oh it was nothing ageinst you guys. I'm just saying that i'm not getting minute to minute updates. I get the same updates as every one else. And i dont attect to gey any thing more then what every one esle get. Sorry if i offender you. My bad

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Posted: Mon, 24th Oct 2005, 12:30am

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irishcult wrote:

Sorry if i offender you. My bad
Don't worry; I wasn't offended in any sense of the word. It had just sounded to me that you were under the impression that you were getting different/worse treatment than other members, so I wanted to make sure you were informed that that is not how the FXhome team operates, and that you will get the same treatment from the team as any other regular member would.

Perhaps in other forums you would have to wonder if the individuals in charge are harboring ill will, or lack of respect towards you, but in these forums, you can be certain that how they conduct themselves on this site, and the thoughts they express towards you, and about you, are sincere, and genuine. If they had a concern in regards to you, or your activities, I am more than sure they would tell you. I just wanted to make sure you, and any other members who may have gotten the wrong idea about what you said, knew that.

irishcult wrote:

Oh it was nothing ageinst you guys.
I also want to make sure you know that I do not represent the FXhome team, and am in fact, not one of "the guys" lol. What I said does not necessarily reflect what they believe, but simply what I have gathered about them through the years I have been here.

Have a good night/day.
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Posted: Mon, 24th Oct 2005, 8:42am

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We did get your mail and added it to the list of other people wanting image support. Sorry if you were expecting a reply. We have had quite a few other people requesting it too, and I'm pleased to say we've decided to add limited image support into the next version of EffectsLab. This should allow you to take the images from the AlamDV2 plugins and use them directly.
Posted: Mon, 24th Oct 2005, 1:46pm

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Thank you very much for understanding. And just for the record i think that Fxhome has the best support and fourms around.
Agein Thank you for understanding and for exepting my opinion on the imaging.
My email service isnt the best inthe world and it sometimes says that it sent when in reality is didnt go anywhere.
Thanks
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Posted: Tue, 25th Oct 2005, 6:12pm

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The FXHome team hates me. They didn't reply to an email I never sent, so here's the gist of it:

Tea time's over fellas, quite screwing off and update Effectslab already. Geez wink

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Posted: Tue, 25th Oct 2005, 6:17pm

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The fxhome team work day and night thinking of better plans, getting stock footage, making more presets, programming EL. This stuff takes alot of time and the fxhome team deserve credit not someone who moans all the time just be patient there doing the best they can and they have ALOT of stuff on there plate At the moment. There not Superman ok just chill.
Posted: Tue, 25th Oct 2005, 6:57pm

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Thank you mattio. I was going to say something too, but decided you had said it all.
Posted: Tue, 25th Oct 2005, 7:09pm

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thank you mattio. THe fxteam seems to be a very dedicated group of people and in no way shape or form do i beleive that they are lazy or ageinst any on in the fxhome community.
Posted: Tue, 25th Oct 2005, 10:00pm

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Too bad I can't properly convey sarcasm ala tone of voice in my posts, lol. I need to remember dry humor does not come across too well on the Internet. I know how involved programming and coding is, and for such a small crew as CSB has, it can be a monumental task to attempt to compete in a worldwide marketplace with competitors such as Adobe, etc.

Didn't mean to bring out the nut swingers, lol.

Just seeing how many people are swinging on your sack at the mere mention (even if it's in gest) of criticism should tell you that you guys are doing something right.

I only wish I could run my business the same way CSB does, but sadly the real world is a tad more demanding.

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Posted: Tue, 25th Oct 2005, 10:08pm

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Z28Jerry wrote:

Too bad I can't properly convey sarcasm ala tone of voice in my posts, lol.
If you want to convey sarcasm, then put a smilie at the end of the post, like so: smile . That wouldn't have flown after your comment though because the statment was such an insult (even if you didn't mean it to be).

Z28Jerry wrote:

I only wish I could run my business the same way CSB does, but sadly the real world is a tad more demanding.
What are you talking about? The REAL world? WE are the real world. The reason we don't get mad when they don't release an EL update everyday, is because they got us hooked with their program, and we will wait patiently. Most of us understand the complexity of running the site and coding programs and stuff. FXhome makes great products, and they still had to go through a tough period of the "Real World" too. They just persevered through it, so it's pretty much behind them now, and they have a loyal "fanbase" that is more forgiving than the real world.
Posted: Tue, 25th Oct 2005, 10:20pm

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I'd rather buy it for what, $50 less and wait for a while than pay $50 more and get it immediately. Enough said.
Posted: Tue, 25th Oct 2005, 10:25pm

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For some reason that part about business was edited out of my post? I added it back in...

Anyway, to clarify about that statement so there is no misunderstanding:

What I am saying is that I wish I could run my business the same way as CSB and be as successful as them. My products are not as good nor in high enough demand to have such lengthy delays, promises of completion and poor release date(s) forecasts, etc.

It is a testament to these guys that their "core" group of supporters (of which I swear I am one, lol) has the patience and understanding to weather the development storm in anticipation of the finished product.

Please guys, read what I'm saying I am not trying to start anything here. I’ll refrain from making further posts, as I am positive they would get misunderstood and taken out of context.
Posted: Tue, 25th Oct 2005, 10:53pm

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Okay. All is forgiven! angel

Yay! Let us frolic through the fields of happiness!

...or maybe we won't and say we did... smile
Posted: Wed, 26th Oct 2005, 12:47am

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yea if you cheak out how many negative ratings i have you will see that i when through a "Sarcasm" phase. So i see were you are coming from. I forgive you and next time when you think it might be funny. DOnt post it. Trust me i've been through it.
Posted: Wed, 26th Oct 2005, 6:19pm

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BTW, the last 11 posts had zero relevancy to the initial question, but as long as you're all friends again, I guess that's okay. It's also comforting to know i'm not the only one who used to post lame sarcasm smile