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Video Ipod Afterall...

Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 12:58am

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Many rumor sites report that tomorrow we will see new iPods with video playback..even thinksecret (formerly the one site that was giving negative views towards a new ipod on the 12th) is saying that we will see those video machines tomorrow.

http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0510oct12d.html



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Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 1:03am

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No way...

HAH! This means every other gen is going to drop ANOTHER 50$...and soon I'll be buying an iPod mini or something for what, 100$?

That's an assumption though. But only time will tell. Thank you Zea for posting this. +1 for your troubles!
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 1:06am

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My Sams Club is selling minis for $100. If this video thing is legit, I AM SO EXCITED.
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 1:07am

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If every rumour site reported that I was dating a hot celebrity and was soon to become the first ever Emporer Of Earth, it would still be a rumour.
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 1:12am

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Are you serious Serpent? They're probably refurbished then, right? Because that price is, well, not...right.

I just hope the design is nothing like the one on that rumour site (which it will most likely not be) because that was REALLY, REALLY, UGLY.

I hope they announce it before I leave school tomorrow morning. I just realised I am excited. HAHA!
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 1:18am

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Aculag wrote:

If every rumour site reported that I was dating a hot celebrity and was soon to become the first ever Emporer Of Earth, it would still be a rumour.
Awww...Cheer up!

This could be a pretty cool new thing...What are we going to have next?

A video iPod cellphone? Then we could mix it in with a PSP! Oh hey guys lets make it ultra microscopic into a watch! And the Watch should have a hardrive and work as a computer! And the computer can be a Windows media center! PERFTECT! Oh wait we're missing something...Oh yeah beore all that crap happens Apple and Microsoft have to merge!! It just goes on and on and on.

Guys...I think in a revolution that's going to last for a LOOOONG time.
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 1:33am

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Correct, swg33k. They'll come out with the Cingular + Motorola + iTunes Video = AKTR.
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 1:36am

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Remember, we're talking about Apple here. Who else would have surprised the world with an iPod Nano, and take the best selling iPod to date off the market with no warning?

Just remember, Apple has been known to surprise.
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 1:45am

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TimmyD wrote:

Remember, we're talking about Apple here. Who else would have surprised the world with an iPod Nano, and take the best selling iPod to date off the market with no warning?

Just remember, Apple has been known to surprise.
Taking which ipod off the market? The iPod mini?



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Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 1:56am

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I guess I'm excited, but I already have a PSP for my mobile video (and a little bit of music) and a Mini (as my main music device). The PSP may not have as much hard drive space, but with a screen 8x bigger, I can live with it. Plus, they are coming out with 2GB memory sticks for PSP. YAY!
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 2:00am

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TimmyD - yeah but the Nano was a smart move... I'm not sure that a video iPod would be smart confused
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 2:15am

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Why?






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Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 2:23am

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pooky wrote:

TimmyD - yeah but the Nano was a smart move... I'm not sure that a video iPod would be smart confused
Because who knows what kind of price, durability, convertability, compatibility, etc. it is going to have. I'm excited, but at the same time thinking "Is this going to be essentially a media-device like a "mini-computer" or more of a viewing device, with cool, but all the while limited functions.
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 2:28am

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No, a video iPod would require a Movie store to be much good. But because of copyright issues and blah blah, it could only be music videos... and that stinks.
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 2:49am

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But n00bs wont know that and you'd be surprised how "less n00b" the general public is lately. Non-n00bs know how to get video on their iPod without a music store. I don't use iTunes or iPod for the store at all, but it's a nice bonus.
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 11:09am

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Yeah, I mean if people seemed to like the "seeing pictures on an mp3 player is amazing!" idea, this'd probably cause a few heart attacks.
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 11:30am

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Yeah, they said they might just have music videos, video podcasts, and some tv shows now, but later they will be adding full length videos. They signed a deal with Pixar to make animated shorts to sell on the itunes store for 99c. Personally, I am most interested in the video podcasts, because they are free and you can get them whenever.





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Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 11:34am

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Every mac rumours site gets this kinda stuff wrong all the time. I'm gonna wait and see what happens as they all keep changing their minds.

If they do it I expect it'll only support mpg / mpg 4, not divx or other QuickTime codecs which would be annoying.
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 11:47am

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So? We'll just have to take an extra step and encode them with the supported tools with the new iTunes.







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Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 8:13pm

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Turns out the rumour mill wasn't just spewing garbage...

iPods can now play video!

The New iPod

I just know people who "hate" apple will "hate" it because it's so "expensive", but I'm feeling rather fond of it so far. Especially the black one. Hot.

Also, the remote control is a DAMN fine idea. I've been wanting something like that for a while, being that I use my iPod as a music player in my entertainment room. Hot hot.
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 8:25pm

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Zea wrote:

Yeah, they said they might just have music videos, video podcasts, and some tv shows now, but later they will be adding full length videos. They signed a deal with Pixar to make animated shorts to sell on the itunes store for 99c. Personally, I am most interested in the video podcasts, because they are free and you can get them whenever.
Pixar studios is owned by Apple though, right?
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 8:51pm

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pooky wrote:

No, a video iPod would require a Movie store to be much good. But because of copyright issues and blah blah, it could only be music videos... and that stinks.
Alas (silenced), iTunes 6 can now do for movies what it did for music: Organize it. If you click on "my videos" in the playlist, you can drag and drop any movie (i'm guessing you can't load any WMV crap) in to it. From there im sure you'll be able to dump it onto the iPod.

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Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2005, 12:58am

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4th gen came out 3 weeks after i got my 3rd gen and Dell upgraded my new laptop in the same week I got mine! Big deal, thats technology, thats progress.
AH! Thought you'd pull that one off, did ya? Sure I complain, but I've been screwed over so many times over I think I have a right to. And if it makes you feel better, my iPod was recalled and when I send it in, I will recieve the current iPod of the same price mine was bought at. ($299) What current iPod costs $299? Oh, yes, the Video iPod. l33t, biatch!
Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2005, 4:20am

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TimmyD wrote:

Alas
Please do not ever use that word again, since you obviously have no idea what it means.
Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2005, 12:47pm

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Aculag wrote:

TimmyD wrote:

Alas
Please do not ever use that word again, since you obviously have no idea what it means.
You said that same thing to me a year ago.

Link

Now why do I remember that?
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a·las (-ls)interj.

Used to express sorrow, regret, grief, compassion, or apprehension of danger or evil.
Sorry. smile doh
Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2005, 9:09pm

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TimmyD wrote:

a·las (-ls)interj.

Used to express sorrow, regret, grief, compassion, or apprehension of danger or evil.
Well, from this definition, considering there are many who don't actually ride the iPod band wagon, Timmy's use of "alas' in that sentence could be appropriate.


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Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2005, 11:17pm

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Man, it's so awesome they've made a video ipod, I may HAVE to ask for one for christmas, now that it's been proven to be real, and no rumor.
Posted: Fri, 14th Oct 2005, 1:24am

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alas, alas.






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Posted: Tue, 18th Oct 2005, 3:10pm

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DigiSm89 wrote:

Well, from this definition, considering there are many who don't actually ride the iPod band wagon, Timmy's use of "alas' in that sentence could be appropriate.


DigiSm89
No, it really couldn't.
Posted: Tue, 18th Oct 2005, 3:42pm

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My opinion get the k750i and buy a 1GB card. The phones free on contract and a 1gb card is £60-£80 depending where you shop. 6 hours worth of video = 200mb, plays mp3's and i can ring home. Great for a 5 hour trip back home!! biggrin
Posted: Tue, 18th Oct 2005, 8:32pm

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Which goon just deleted my thread.

I spent a long time typing that out ffs.
Posted: Tue, 18th Oct 2005, 8:33pm

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schwar did.

learn to post in existing threads, mortal.
Posted: Tue, 18th Oct 2005, 9:41pm

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Well thank Schwar for not merging in to this or saving me having to write out all those questions again confused

1) Is it easy to convert files to iPod compatable MOV?
2) Will it fit in the exisiting iPod dock?
3) How long does the battery last when playing videos?

ANY REVIEWS?
Posted: Tue, 18th Oct 2005, 10:05pm

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TommyB wrote:

Well thank Schwar for not merging in to this or saving me having to write out all those questions again confused

1) Is it easy to convert files to iPod compatable MOV?
2) Will it fit in the exisiting iPod dock?
3) How long does the battery last when playing videos?

ANY REVIEWS?
1) Yes. You can use many free programs on the web, or quicktime pro will convert it with one step for you..automatically.
2) Yes. The 5th gen ipod comes with an "adaptor" which sits on top of the existing dock, and you put your new 5g in it. (It doenst make it taller, it actually goes inside of the dent of the dock..it just makes it easier for the 5g to fit in)
3) The 60 gb has 20 hour batterylife, but only 4-5 hours of video..which is about what the PSP gets. (some users say they are getting more) the 30 GB model has 14 hours battery, and only 2-3 hours of video.

http://www.apple.com/ipod/specs.html for official specs.

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Are you sure that the 5th gen comes with an adaptor? This doesn't sound like Apple to me, especially as hardly anyone actually owns an iPod dock already!

Is it true the video ipod doesn't come with a power plug, and has to be charged by USB?

Quicktime Pro sounds good. If it's not a rip off, I may consider buying it.

I take it my iTrip won't work on the new iPod either sad
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I'm not sure if you need QT pro for the mpeg-4 codec (.mp4) but Virtualdub can convert DivX to Mpeg-4 afaik.
Posted: Wed, 19th Oct 2005, 12:05am

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TommyB wrote:

Are you sure that the 5th gen comes with an adaptor? This doesn't sound like Apple to me, especially as hardly anyone actually owns an iPod dock already!

Is it true the video ipod doesn't come with a power plug, and has to be charged by USB?

Quicktime Pro sounds good. If it's not a rip off, I may consider buying it.

I take it my iTrip won't work on the new iPod either sad
Yeah, it does come with an adaptor...look at the specs. It charges only by USB or wall charger which is sold seperately. You can either buy quicktime pro or use the free version of videora.

http://www.videora.com/en-us/Download/

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Posted: Wed, 19th Oct 2005, 5:56pm

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Zea wrote:

TommyB wrote:

Are you sure that the 5th gen comes with an adaptor? This doesn't sound like Apple to me, especially as hardly anyone actually owns an iPod dock already!

Is it true the video ipod doesn't come with a power plug, and has to be charged by USB?

Quicktime Pro sounds good. If it's not a rip off, I may consider buying it.

I take it my iTrip won't work on the new iPod either sad
Yeah, it does come with an adaptor...look at the specs. It charges only by USB or wall charger which is sold seperately. You can either buy quicktime pro or use the free version of videora.

http://www.videora.com/en-us/Download/

Z
I think that's disgusting and scamming to be honest. First they stop including the dock with their iPods, and now they don't even give you a mains adaptor!! How the hell do they expect us to charge it on Holiday? My respect for Apple has plummeted.

How much is the optional wall charger? It wouldn't surprise me if that's a complete and utter rip off.

Videora doesn't seem to convert videos. It looks more like a P2P application.
Posted: Wed, 19th Oct 2005, 6:29pm

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Yeah, I agree with Tommy...it is way to expensive and doens't include what it used to for that money. But I will still have to get one because I dont have an mp3 player right now smile

Videora works with the new iPod and PSP. You have to set it up properly..look in the settings.

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If you want an mp3 player, get a used mini, you can get em for like 100$ used now. Sure, it doesn't do video (not that big a deal IMO) and it's smaller (which is fine considering 4GB is already large... you can just put different songs on there every day) anethe screen isn't colour (...no album art and pictures... doesn't matter IMO) but it's 200$ cheaper, is still an iPod, and plays mp3s smile
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Mini is out of the question.

Nano is the place to be!
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I'm looking into a Mini. For some reason, I just like them better than all the other iPods (maybe it's the fun assortment of pretty colors other than blinding white and gothic black (just kidding people)). Although apparently on eBay they still rack in about $175 for the 4GB and $225 for the 6GB...

...Nano is cool. But too pricey.
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TommyB wrote:

Mini is out of the question.

Nano is the place to be!
Why? Sure, it's smaller, but it's twice the price.

Lithium Kraft - 175$?! There are ads all over the place at my school of people selling em, as well as iPod G4's and G3's for much cheaper.
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I don't believe this.

I just bought Quicktime Pro, and it doesn't read DivX files.
All my ripped movies are in DivX format.

Is there a programme that will batch convert all my DivX movies to AVI or MOV files?
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Also, how do you change the thumbnails of videos in iTunes?

'Set Poster Frame' doesn't seem to work.
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Quicktime Pro is a waste of money, period.

I set a 20 minute clip to export as an iPod MOV an hour ago. It's on 13%.
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TommyB wrote:

I don't believe this.

I just bought Quicktime Pro, and it doesn't read DivX files.
All my ripped movies are in DivX format.

Is there a programme that will batch convert all my DivX movies to AVI or MOV files?
Let's hope you've learnt your lesson about buying things you obviously haven't read up on in the vague hopes that it would solve something then.

If you want to convert from .avi to .mov you can open up the .avi file in a NLE editing program and export it as an uncompressed .mov then compress that with Quicktime. Though it WILL lose quality, what the hell are you playing at trying to compress compressed footage? If you want to compress to quicktime then do it from the raw footage which if you have any clue about film making you will have backed up somewhere on a dv tape.

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Quicktime Pro is a waste of money, period.

I set a 20 minute clip to export as an iPod MOV an hour ago. It's on 13%.
It appears that you've got little idea about what it actually does, I can't think of any other reason for you to deem it to be a waste of money. Personally I think Quicktime 7 Pro (in its current state) is an all important piece of software for film makers looking to compress into a quicktime format.

-Hybrid.
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I use After Effects or Virtualdub... both much better for compresion, and I mentioned both to you before you bought QT7 smile
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Hybrid-Halo wrote:

TommyB wrote:

I don't believe this.

I just bought Quicktime Pro, and it doesn't read DivX files.
All my ripped movies are in DivX format.

Is there a programme that will batch convert all my DivX movies to AVI or MOV files?
Let's hope you've learnt your lesson about buying things you obviously haven't read up on in the vague hopes that it would solve something then.

If you want to convert from .avi to .mov you can open up the .avi file in a NLE editing program and export it as an uncompressed .mov then compress that with Quicktime. Though it WILL lose quality, what the hell are you playing at trying to compress compressed footage? If you want to compress to quicktime then do it from the raw footage which if you have any clue about film making you will have backed up somewhere on a dv tape.

TommyB wrote:

Quicktime Pro is a waste of money, period.

I set a 20 minute clip to export as an iPod MOV an hour ago. It's on 13%.
It appears that you've got little idea about what it actually does, I can't think of any other reason for you to deem it to be a waste of money. Personally I think Quicktime 7 Pro (in its current state) is an all important piece of software for film makers looking to compress into a quicktime format.

-Hybrid.
Do you have any idea how long it takes to re-rip about 20 DVDs?

It appears to be my only option though, as I'd rather not lose quality.
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Do you have any idea how long it takes to re-rip about 20 DVDs?

It appears to be my only option though, as I'd rather not lose quality.
Yes I do, as I happen to co-run a dvd production and duplication company. It's something I do pretty often.

If you've burnt something onto a dvd, the chances are it's also compressed. It's really important for you to archive video onto dv tapes if you have any plans of re-using anything again in the future. Something which er-no has actually taught me.

Good luck with it, I'll try and be around to answer other questions you have.

-Hybrid.
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Oh, sorry I think you misunderstood me. I keep all MY films that i've made on DV tapes... of course. I'm talking about DVDs that I've gone out and bought... For example, 'The Office' DVDs. At the moment I'm trying to get all the episodes in to MOV format ready for when I buy the new iPod.
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Well, here's what I know:

You need a program like DVD Decryptor first to backup the files to your hard drive, but it don't be actual video files so oyu'll need some sort of program to convert them to .mov (or.mp4)... I usually just use Dr DivX to convert it to DivX so I can't help you there.
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TommyB wrote:

Oh, sorry I think you misunderstood me. I keep all MY films that i've made on DV tapes... of course. I'm talking about DVDs that I've gone out and bought... For example, 'The Office' DVDs. At the moment I'm trying to get all the episodes in to MOV format ready for when I buy the new iPod.
Aha right, well as Pooky mentioned you need a DVD ripper and Quicktime pro 7 then. It should leave you sorted, you could probably take the editor export option I mentioned though. Instead of re-ripping the DVD's. wink
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I've got a DVD ripping programme but it only rips to MPEG (1+2)/AVI.

I then have to use Quicktime to export to an iPod movie, but for some resaon this takes hours to do minutes of video.

It'd be easier if I knew exactly what MPEG specs the iPod video supports?
Then I could rip straight to Mpeg.
Posted: Thu, 20th Oct 2005, 10:21pm

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DVD Ripper program we're talking about -> DVD Decryptor.... it's freeware, google it.

As I mentionned, it doesn't decrypt to actual video files, just some odd filetype files in a strange folder architecture... but that's what you want in this case (I think).
Posted: Thu, 20th Oct 2005, 10:22pm

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I've got that too, but all it does is create the VOB files on your HD.

I also realised iPod doesn't support Mpeg 2 or 1. Is there no programme that will rip straight from DVD to iPod compatable MOV files?

There'd be no problem if Quicktime Pro did what it's supposed to. I've only managed to convert a 50 second video so far. It's just stupidly slow!
Posted: Thu, 20th Oct 2005, 10:26pm

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TommyB wrote:

I've got that too, but all it does is create the VOB files on your HD.

I also realised iPod doesn't support Mpeg 2 or 1. Is there no programme that will rip straight from DVD to iPod compatable MOV files?

There'd be no problem if Quicktime Pro did what it's supposed to. I've only managed to convert a 50 second video so far. It's just stupidly slow!
Give it a month and there will be a program that'll probably do it all for you including carry your ipod around and watch the films for you.

Quicktime Pro does do what its supposed, I just don't think you have any idea what your doing with it?
Posted: Fri, 21st Oct 2005, 5:47pm

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I don't think I'm getting the message accross...

QUICKTIME PRO TAKES AGES TO RENDER FILES.

That clear enough? I open my video in Quicktime, click EXPORT, select 'Movie for iPod' and hit render. It then starts the rendering process, but takes about 30 minutes to render 10 minutes of video.

And sarcasm isn't helpful either.
Posted: Fri, 21st Oct 2005, 7:48pm

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Look at videora again..it is what is recommended by everyone..and I use it.. Takes like 20 mins to convert a full dvd movie.

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Posted: Fri, 21st Oct 2005, 8:20pm

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Did you link me to the right programme?

On the left there are the following options...

Search
Watch List
Season Tickets
RSS Feeds
Downloads
Settings

I really don't think this is the right programme. It looks like some sort of P2P application. Settings only consists of 'Search Sites' and 'Default download directory' along with 2 other irrelevant tabs.
Posted: Fri, 21st Oct 2005, 8:29pm

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For the third time:

VOB files is what you want. You just take the VOB files and use a program (like virtualdub or maybe QT Pro does it) to convert them to .mov
Posted: Fri, 21st Oct 2005, 8:58pm

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QT Pro doesn't import VOB.

I've just downloaded VirtualDub 1.6.11 and that doesn't import VOB files either. If I force it to load the VOB files, it simply says 'invalid MPEG2 stream'
Posted: Fri, 21st Oct 2005, 9:07pm

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Hmm, well I know DrDivX does it but that doesn't do .mov... Hybrid will probably know.
Posted: Fri, 21st Oct 2005, 9:10pm

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But anyway. I was quite happy using my DVD ripper to create MPEGS from the DVDs. I just wasted £20 on Quicktime Pro, because I wanted a programme that would quickly and easily convert videos to iPod compatable MOV files.

To put this simply, I loaded in a 30 minute MPEG2 film at 6pm and hit render. It was on 24% at 9.45pm. Is that justified as a complete waste of money?
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Actually, it's your system. I'm afraid your only option is to give it to me and get a new one biggrin

Considering your system(*jealous*), it must be QT's fault.
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lol... I did a search for similar problems and it seems I'm not the only one. Apple better sort this out in a patch.
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Yes im sure its the right program, I have been using it for 2 weeks.

http://www.hardtech.net/pspvideo/VideoraIpodConverter_Install.exe

eek

Z
Posted: Sun, 23rd Oct 2005, 5:54pm

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Well that's COMPLETELY different to the Videora link you gave me earlier biggrin

Cheers!

By the way, it doesn't seem to let me queue files. It'd be cool If I could add loads of clips to the queue. Is this possible? The option seems to be there it just doesn't work.
Posted: Sun, 23rd Oct 2005, 6:05pm

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figured it out...

Is there a way to force added videos under the 'TV Shows' category? It'll only let you add videos as Music Videos or Movies.

Zea, that really is a fantastic programme. Cheers mate!
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Glad you worked it out.

Good luck with any future purchases razz

Z
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My friend just ordered one, it's a pretty nice piece of equipment, but the thing I don't like about its looks is the size ratio of the clickwheel to the rest of the iPod. It's like oyu have this wide screen and this awkwardly small clickwheel. It should be bigger, they have the room.

But it is still a good piece of equpiment nonetheless, but I think I'll wait for the price to go down at least $100 before I even consider buying one. biggrin
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Lithium Kraft wrote:

My friend just ordered one, it's a pretty nice piece of equipment, but the thing I don't like about its looks is the size ratio of the clickwheel to the rest of the iPod. It's like oyu have this wide screen and this awkwardly small clickwheel. It should be bigger, they have the room.

But it is still a good piece of equpiment nonetheless, but I think I'll wait for the price to go down at least $100 before I even consider buying one. biggrin
I just ordered mine but messed around one at best buy. The smaller wheel is actually easier to control than the others, because it is more accurate to the tip of your finger.

Hey, the iPod is on sale!

The 60 gig is on sale for 100 dollars less..but it only comes with 30 gigs less...now you can get one! crazy
Posted: Tue, 25th Oct 2005, 1:25am

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Haha, I would, but I'm literally out of cash from the insurance company being stupid and taking like 3 months to process my claim and give me back my something-thousand dollars.