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New Gizzmos and Gadgets from Apple

Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 6:26pm

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Well, here rolls out a new round of stuff from Apple. Lets start with the Video iPod I am not sure of all the features but it has a bigger screen 2.5 inch, a video output to connect to a tv, and comes in 30 and 60GB. Both the 30 and 60 are smaller then the current 20GB iPod. 30GB is 299$ and 60GB 399$.

iMacs are thinner, it has a built in iSight, and some more new apps.

Also iTunes 6 is coming out. You will be able to download music videos and TV shows but not for free.

Those are the three major things you can read about, other tid-bits here http://www.stuffmag.co.uk/hotstuffarticle.asp?de_id=594

Apple will most likely have all the in depth details on thier site later today.
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 6:34pm

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http://www.Apple.com/ http://macrumors.com/ As well. Interesting stuff indeed.
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 6:49pm

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BBC News also has an article.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4336194.stm

I don't really feel inclined to buy this. 30 - 60GB is WAY too little space in my opinion...
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 6:57pm

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At last, the iMac has a semi-decent graphics card! Its worth buying now...

TV shows and music videos on iTunes... Thats gonna be massive!

I was maybe hoping for something else from the iPod Video - but they are giving consumers exactly the right thing. They can only make a ton of money from this!
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 7:07pm

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I somewhat wish I didn't have my 30gb ipod photo now sad
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 7:08pm

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Man those stuffmag pages aren't compatible with opera at ALL. Cool find though
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 7:11pm

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Its so annoying how I just got my Nano, and now they release this. mad
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 7:22pm

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Apple should have waited...

waited...

waited...

waited...

I knew this was going to piss off their Photo users.
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 7:33pm

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Awful decision on behalf of Apple.

1) It'll annoy iPod photo users.
2) It'll take the attention of their newly released Nano series.
3) It'll adversely promote piracy.
4) The public market isn't ready for an iPod video. If there was a DVD version of iTunes, that let you copy your DVDs, then it would be fantastic.

Personally, I won't bother upgrading my 60GB iPod photo because...

1) The new one is more ugly IMO.
2) 60GB is not enough for music and videos.
3) It may have restrictions on larger files or films, perhaps even a system that prevents you from playing your own videos.
4) It's not size that matters, it's how you use it.

I'll wait for the 120GB, Nano-Thin 6G tbh. Cya next year Apple.
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 7:36pm

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Don't you think they should provide trade-ins? Like pay 100$, trade in your 30gb photo for a 30gb video, Apple refurbishes the photo, and sells it. They would make even more money that way...and everyone will be happy...
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 7:42pm

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Firstly, refurb on something as cheap as an iPod is never going to make any money and only cause the company a ton of hassle.

People have complained like this every time they bring out a new iPod.

"Oh, the last generation has only been out X months and its already being replaced..."

I say get over it! It was going to be replaced from the second it went on sale.

4th gen came out 3 weeks after i got my 3rd gen and Dell upgraded my new laptop in the same week I got mine! Big deal, thats technology, thats progress.

I think they have made a great product much better and I can only see their profits going even higher.

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Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 7:42pm

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Lithium Kraft wrote:

Don't you think they should provide trade-ins? Like pay 100$, trade in your 30gb photo for a 30gb video, Apple refurbishes the photo, and sells it. They would make even more money that way...and everyone will be happy...
In an ideal world, yes that would be fantastic.

In reality, Apple couldn't care less. They're making too much money to care about their customers.

EDIT: Do not quote the above unless you accept the context, by which I mean they don't care about OLDER iPod users. Thank you!

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Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 7:44pm

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They clearly DO care about their customers as they're getting their best products out into stores as quick as possible.

If apple had announced "Yeah, we've got this sweet video iPod, but you can't get one for six months because we want to sell some more of the old ones", then you'd be annoyed as well. It's a catch 22 situation, and as schwar says, get over it razz
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 7:46pm

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Whatever, everyone will still buy it, because afterall, you NEED an iPod.
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 7:47pm

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In reality, Apple couldn't care less. They're making too much money to care about their customers.
That is such a silly statement. Apple has listened to what people want, worked out what it can do, and provided the best sollution it can.
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 7:48pm

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I whould rather like that new imac then the new ipod biggrin
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 7:54pm

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FFS, will you stop quoting me out of context!!!

I meant they don't care about people using older iPods. Otherwise, they could provide a 'trade in' system quite easily.
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 8:00pm

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It wasn't out of context, what you said was like 2 posts before me!

I meant they don't care about people using older iPods. Otherwise, they could provide a 'trade in' system quite easily.
How on earth is it easy for them to setup a worldwide trade-in scheme? Exactly what kind of money do you think they could offer you for your out-of-date technology which is of little use to them?

They can't take it appart to refurbish it and replace worn part (they don't come appart easily) - therefore they can't give it a warrenty and sell it.

Its technology! You buy it knowing its out-of-date as soon as you get it and within months or weeks something better will come along.
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 8:11pm

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is there any legal way to get dvds to your computer? and does anybody know of ANY free or really cheap program that can do this?

im deffinatly going to get an ipod video, and id like to know how to do this.

I hear that quicktime pro can get home movies on, but how about DVDS. how can i copy a dvd to my computer in a way that is viewable by quicktime? or at all?

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Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 8:14pm

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You can put your own movies on there, with no limit. Quicktime pro may be required for that though, or some other mov or mpeg-4 encoder. I'll be picking mine up this weekend.


-Z
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 8:19pm

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They will from now on force you to buy Quicktime 7 Pro with iTunes 6. That's how it will work.
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 8:28pm

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I love how people, not talking about Photo users, are complaining. Same price, added 10 GB, kept the same price, added new firmware, new features, more stable, new color, thinner, bigger screen, and a remote control and yet, people are complaining.
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 8:40pm

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Serpent wrote:

I love how people, not talking about Photo users, are complaining. Same price, added 10 GB, kept the same price, added new firmware, new features, more stable, new color, thinner, bigger screen, and a remote control and yet, people are complaining.
Yes, because almost everybody who wants an iPod has one already, and the fact that the new ipod has all those things you just mentioned is annoying.
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 8:41pm

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I simply want a Mini for a low price, but I don't have any iPods. Yet.
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 8:47pm

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TommyB wrote:

Serpent wrote:

I love how people, not talking about Photo users, are complaining. Same price, added 10 GB, kept the same price, added new firmware, new features, more stable, new color, thinner, bigger screen, and a remote control and yet, people are complaining.
Yes, because almost everybody who wants an iPod has one already, and the fact that the new ipod has all those things you just mentioned is annoying.
First sentence, almost true. But I know plenty of people lacking iPods who want them. I could name 10 people off the top of my head.

Second sentence is just a bit ignorant and defines the kind of people I was talking about in my post. Why be annoyed that an mp3 player just got some new features? Yeah, I totally hate it when they add on more space and raise the capabilities. Just pisses me off that they would do such a thing.
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 8:52pm

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Serpent's right.

I mean, I'm really annoyed because Ford keep on bringing out NEW CARS! Oh god, can't they see that's really annoying, because I don't buy a car to drive it around, I buy it to have the best car there is!

Seriously dude, you buy an MP3 player for playing MP3s. Of course it'll be out of date at some point, usually very quickly - but that's the nature of the beast.
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 8:54pm

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Serpent, not everyone wants the new features, some people just want a 20gb mp3 player, and not have to worry about anything else. TommyB's reaction could mean that there might be a boost of other mp3 player brands... oh goodie!
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 8:59pm

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Every time an iPod comes out, a new one is on the way soon enough, and all my friends go out and buy again and again. I've never bought an iPod and I am quite satisfied.

I get awestruck when so many people complain about how they just bought an iPod and some new one comes out right after. Three weeks later, lo and behold, they have the new iPod and their old one just sits in a box under their bed.
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 9:14pm

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evman101 wrote:

Serpent, not everyone wants the new features, some people just want a 20gb mp3 player, and not have to worry about anything else. TommyB's reaction could mean that there might be a boost of other mp3 player brands... oh goodie!
Ok, but they are there and they can cope witht hem. No one is forcing the to buy the newest one. I use my 3rd gen and Apple is still supporting it. Why would anyone "worry about anything else?" Is a video feature going to worry anyone? No. It won't. If you don't want to use it, then don't. The "old" ones are now much cheaper, buy one of those if you want an iPod without having to "worry" about video.
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 9:31pm

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Serpent, do you honestly think I'm the only one who thinks that? I am merely stating my thoughts, but obviously they aren't welcome here.

Out of all my posts, I've no idea how you can possibly say that is ignorant? You wouldn't call me 'ignorant' if I typed, 'I hate Tony Blair' would you? It's called an opinion!
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 9:43pm

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They have released in my opinion TOO MANY iPods. Let us like the first one and savor it's greatness! Stop releasing MORE stuff and making us want the NEXT generation! This is exactly how buying video games works! And Apple has found out that it works for other products well too.
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 9:47pm

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swg33k wrote:

They have released in my opinion TOO MANY iPods. Let us like the first one and savor it's greatness! Stop releasing MORE stuff and making us want the NEXT generation! This is exactly how buying video games works! And Apple has found out that it works for other products well too.
http://www.apple.com/ipod/ads/

I'll still get it.



-Z
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 10:00pm

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I think they now have more balance than before.

They now have :-

1. Casual daily users = Shuffle
2. Weekly / holiday music lovers = Nano
3. Entire music collection / images / video = iPod

People can just buy what they need, hence the Nano will still be the biggest seller. Having photo viewing on the Nano just adds that little bit of value.
Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005, 10:43pm

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Hmm, Shuffle is more for crazy Apple addicts who want to buy an iPod (because hey... it's an iPod!) but have no money smile
Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2005, 1:51am

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Ok. Heres to everyone that said 60 gigabytes isn't enough for videos and music:

You're Wrong.

Who actually has 15,000 songs to load on an iPod all at once? Hmm?

Oh, and the videos... yeah. Look:
H.264 video: up to 768 Kbps, 320 x 240, 30 frames per sec., Baseline Profile up to Level 1.3 with AAC-LC up to 160 Kbps, 48 Khz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4 and .mov file formats
MPEG-4 video: up to 2.5 mbps, 480 x 480, 30 frames per sec., Simple Profile with AAC-LC up to 160 Kbps, 48 Khz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4 and .mov file formats.
Is it just me, or does that seem reasonable? I have a 55 gigabyte harddrive on my computer for EVERYTHING. That includes the ridiculously sized movies that come from EL, iMovie, and everything else. What about a bunch of movies compressed to those above specifications? If every movie on my hard drive was compressed to that, i swear i'd have 30+ gigs free right now. Apple boasts 150 HOURS of video. Yeah, thats a little over six days. I dont know if i'm the only one that woulnd't be able to find THAT MUCH VIDEO to load on my ipod at once, but.

So basically, 60 gigabytes is plenty.

/endgeekrant
Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2005, 2:06am

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swg33k wrote:
They have released in my opinion TOO MANY iPods. Let us like the first one and savor it's greatness! Stop releasing MORE stuff and making us want the NEXT generation! This is exactly how buying video games works! And Apple has found out that it works for other products well too.


Its called supply and demand. Its how economy works. Thats probably the funniest comment i've ever read. I mean, REALLY....you're saying you want apple to sink financially, for mp3 player's to never advance and prices to drop for a better product?

hehehehe. steve jobs lose money? Heck no.
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TommyB wrote:

Serpent, do you honestly think I'm the only one who thinks that?
Obviously nost ince I said "people" and not person. People is a plural word, learn to comprehend English before you go off on me.

TommyB wrote:

I am merely stating my thoughts, but obviously they aren't welcome here.

Out of all my posts, I've no idea how you can possibly say that is ignorant? You wouldn't call me 'ignorant' if I typed, 'I hate Tony Blair' would you? It's called an opinion!
I am saying that it is ignorant to hate it because of the extra features. Comparing that to a politician is ridiculous, he isn't an update version with new features, he is a human being. That was a ridiculous analogy that simply stood for opinions, which is a concept I was not contradicting.
Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2005, 8:41am

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I gotta admit...

I hate Apple. Mostly because of horror-filled experience working with the computers from Hell. These computers that supposedly "Just Work."

But...

The iPod is a totally different story. Given the features it has relative to other MP3 players... it is a much cooler gadget. I'll be honest, I'm sick to death of those damn brown LCD screens that only look nice when you add the backlight. I'm tired of small objects whose size, while small, is complemented by the dumbest design.

I wouldn't watch a TV show on that iPod or anything, but it'd be cool to show my friends my latest 3D Studio Max render or a funny video I found online whilst walking in a mall.

Kudos, Apple, this time I applaud.
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Not the horror Macs! I hear they only come out in a full moon!

For nearly 20 years I've been lucky to avoid these horror-filled experiences on hundreds of occasions. Odd that someone who is a PC lover would have these experiences? wink

Just like a well made PC, look after your Mac and it'll work just fine - its just Macs are more simple to look after due to a lack of spyware/trojan/virus.

Now let that end and random pointless Mac bashing and get back to the subject.

I'm quite shocked that the new video downloads are only 320x240 - thats going to make them look pretty poor on a TV and tiny on a decent monitor. I've sampled a few on iTunes and the quality ranges from amazing (fat boy slim video was really well compressed) to quite poor - I wonder why this is? Might buy a few and run them on my TV to see how bad it is.
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I wish iPods had the option to not only use the built in Li-ion battery but to also use replacable alkalines. I hate it when I run out of rechargable battery power on my 36 hour flight.

Although, there is this cool thing I found that you can do:

Link to make a "usb battery"
http://ipod.hackaday.com/entry/1234000270029372/

It sounds kind of risky though. I wouldn't risk it, although it sure looks handy.
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Let's get this all cleared up. I have an iPod 3G, sure, I want the video, but.....


I'm gonna get it anyway with my "class member against apple" claim, biatch!

But no, seriously, if you're annoyed that you just bought an iPod, the regular kind, or a Nano within the past 5 weeks, it's your own fault. From these very forums, you KNEW there was speculation of a video iPod, and you KNEW when they were gonna anounce it if it was real. All you had to do was........wait. And if you're really that impatient, it's your own fault, and proves that you only wanted an iPod in the first place for one thing:

To look cool. I know I do. I mean, seriously, 10,000 songs? "I need one reeeeaaaall bad to listen to all of my music!" Listen to it on something else, or just admit it:

The iPod looks cool.
It makes you look cool.
Everyone ends up looking cool.


Sounds cool to me. So get a new one or quit whining 'bout yours. You still look cool, and that was all that mattered in the first place, right?


Coolness,
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My 3rd gen is now kinda retro cool, but not in a brick kinda way like the earlier ones biggrin
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swg33k wrote:

(re: supply and demand) And Apple has found out that it works for other products well too.
My God! Why hasn't anybody ever thought of this before!?
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Christ man... chillout. I don't understand you, because I'm simply saying that all photo users will be annoyed that their product is out of date. There's no IF, there's no "what an ignorant thought," it's just fact.

Oh and btw, it's actually "ridiculous" to interpret what I said as an "analogy" especially as I highlighted the fact that it was an example of OPINION.

Serpent wrote:

TommyB wrote:

Serpent, do you honestly think I'm the only one who thinks that?
Obviously nost ince I said "people" and not person. People is a plural word, learn to comprehend English before you go off on me.

TommyB wrote:

I am merely stating my thoughts, but obviously they aren't welcome here.

Out of all my posts, I've no idea how you can possibly say that is ignorant? You wouldn't call me 'ignorant' if I typed, 'I hate Tony Blair' would you? It's called an opinion!
I am saying that it is ignorant to hate it because of the extra features. Comparing that to a politician is ridiculous, he isn't an update version with new features, he is a human being. That was a ridiculous analogy that simply stood for opinions, which is a concept I was not contradicting.

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Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2005, 3:38pm

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There are alternatives to the Apple range of products.
I am more then happy with my Creative Labs Zen Nomad (30GB) but the Archos range of gadgets are looking better with age...

http://www.archos.com/

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Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2005, 3:39pm

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I'm sorry mate, but it isn't.

Most people are quite happy with 128bkps MP3s. There are however those of us, like myself, who make a huge fuss over sound quality, and IMO, 128kbps sounds AWFUL. I play my iPod through my Hi-Fi all the time, and therefore I want the best sound quality available. I have 5,600 tracks at 320kbps AAC, and that takes up about 40GB.

And that figure rises by about 200/300 songs a week.

TimmyD wrote:

Ok. Heres to everyone that said 60 gigabytes isn't enough for videos and music:

You're Wrong.

Who actually has 15,000 songs to load on an iPod all at once? Hmm?

Oh, and the videos... yeah. Look:
H.264 video: up to 768 Kbps, 320 x 240, 30 frames per sec., Baseline Profile up to Level 1.3 with AAC-LC up to 160 Kbps, 48 Khz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4 and .mov file formats
MPEG-4 video: up to 2.5 mbps, 480 x 480, 30 frames per sec., Simple Profile with AAC-LC up to 160 Kbps, 48 Khz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4 and .mov file formats.
Is it just me, or does that seem reasonable? I have a 55 gigabyte harddrive on my computer for EVERYTHING. That includes the ridiculously sized movies that come from EL, iMovie, and everything else. What about a bunch of movies compressed to those above specifications? If every movie on my hard drive was compressed to that, i swear i'd have 30+ gigs free right now. Apple boasts 150 HOURS of video. Yeah, thats a little over six days. I dont know if i'm the only one that woulnd't be able to find THAT MUCH VIDEO to load on my ipod at once, but.

So basically, 60 gigabytes is plenty.

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Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2005, 3:49pm

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You buy 20-30 CDs/$200-300 of music a week?

Your sound quality arguement is rather random.

a) If you are into sound quality you don't compress with AAC - you use lossless compression which means most music can be made 50% smaller (ish). If you're going to start saying "well industry experts say AAC is great" then I would counter by saying that the experts also claim that 128kps AAC is indistinguishable from CD quality (provided you play it on the right equipment) and not "awful" as you claim it is.

b) You can't link up an iPod to a HiFi in a way that will retain the kind of quality you are talking about anyway due to the connections it has and the lack of digital out.

P.S. You buy 20-30 CDs/$200-300 of music a week?
Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2005, 4:02pm

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Lossless compression and 320kbps are indistinguishable. Using lossless compression is just stupid, as the file sizes really are insane. A very high audio cable connected to the iPod's line out port (not headphone jack) on the dock does a fairly good job of retaining sound quality. I personally can't notice a difference between my iPod and my Hi-Fi's CD player (connected via an optical lead) but I CAN tell the difference between 128bps AAC and 320.

As for the CDs. Most of my mates are really in to music and we do a lot of music swapping. You can tell me off if you wish but the truth is I don't really care. I spend hundreds on CDs, and quite often we make data CDs for eachother with loads of tracks on. Believe me or not, but recently I've been adding around 200 songs a week. I expect this will change though. I'd rather you didn't picture me as a music industry theif though, because I honestly do spend a hell of a lot of money on my own CDs.
Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2005, 4:10pm

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Does anyone here use iTunes to buy music? I keep looking but never get to the point where I want to put my card details in. Looks like a good system and I hear its done pretty well wink

Should I be using it, or should I stick to CDs and the shops (meaning I hardly ever get any new music as I'm always working)?
Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2005, 4:21pm

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You probably won't listen to me, but anyway...

I personally think iTunes is a fantastic service. It gives you the chance to buy pretty much any song in the world. I also use it to preview albums before I go out and buy the real thing. (Obviously owning the CD is prefered over a downloaded version)

The downside however is they don't let you 're-download' the music. If it gets wiped off your computer, you're on your own!

So, for download singles, I'd say it's an excellent service, but for albums - stick to the CD. It's usually cheaper to buy the CD anyway.
Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2005, 4:22pm

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Sounds like good advice to me.. Thanks.
Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2005, 7:02pm

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I love the iTunes music store. They have a great selection of music, and they keep up with all the new songs, too. The price is just fine, and the music quality is fantastic. It's nice that it's integrated into iTunes, its not a hassle.

I'd say go for it.
Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2005, 8:27pm

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schwar wrote:

Does anyone here use iTunes to buy music? I keep looking but never get to the point where I want to put my card details in. Looks like a good system and I hear its done pretty well
I myself was hesitant of iTunes for about the first 3 months I had my iPod. However, once I started using iTunes cards people gave me and the iTunes-under-Pepsi-caps promotion came around, I really got into it. I've bought maybe 100+ songs off iTunes, and love it. It's far cheaper and easier than buying a whole CD, because I can get only the songs I really want, including stuff they dont even sell in stores, and that's awesome. I am also not a mac user, and love it, which I think is saying something. I tried the "legal" Napster for a couple weeks and hated it. If you are into "legal" online music, iTunes is definately the way to go.
Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2005, 9:11pm

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schwar wrote:


Should I be using it, or should I stick to CDs and the shops (meaning I hardly ever get any new music as I'm always working)?
The files in itunes music store are compressed I think, so cd has better quality... you can always import the cd in itunes when you want.
Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2005, 9:19pm

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Yes, the files are compressed, but they still have teriffic quality. They use they same compression that you would downloading a CD to your computer. (i think)
Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2005, 9:22pm

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It's a higher quality AAC compression, which is almost lossless. I play those songs through both my iPod JBL speakers, my computer, and my CD player stereo at full blast and never hear any fuzz or jitters. There is virtually no quality difference between iTunes downloads and CD's (or CD rips, for that matter.)
Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2005, 9:37pm

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Upgrade your IPod. It is a do-it-yourself thing. Here are the instructions:

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Ipod_Nano_200gb_Instructions/Page_1
Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2005, 9:46pm

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I think the iMix system is great. I search for a song or band I like, and they have top rated iMixes that get me into bands and songs that are similar.

TommyB, I am not talking about Photo users from the parts you quoted me. I was mainly talking about your sentence where you said the features are annoying, which I think is stupid. However, this is getting nowhere, so just drop it.
Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2005, 10:23pm

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Serpent wrote:

I think the iMix system is great. I search for a song or band I like, and they have top rated iMixes that get me into bands and songs that are similar.

TommyB, I am not talking about Photo users from the parts you quoted me. I was mainly talking about your sentence where you said the features are annoying, which I think is stupid. However, this is getting nowhere, so just drop it.
I dropped it a couple of hours ago biggrin