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HL2: Lost Coast.

Posted: Fri, 28th Oct 2005, 2:08am

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Um...

Wow.

That's all I have to say about that. Anyone else played it recently?
Posted: Fri, 28th Oct 2005, 2:34am

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havent tried it yet downloading it from steam right now
Posted: Fri, 28th Oct 2005, 2:34am

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Me to.
Posted: Fri, 28th Oct 2005, 2:38am

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Dont have HL2 on my machine right now. That might change soon if this gets some good reviews.
Posted: Fri, 28th Oct 2005, 2:43am

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jstow222 wrote:

Dont have HL2 on my machine right now. That might change soon if this gets some good reviews.
IT'S AMAZING. HOLY CRAP.
Posted: Fri, 28th Oct 2005, 2:46am

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HOLY COW I didn't know it was out! Downloading now.

EDIT: Oh great. I'm juuuuust below requirements (1.9GHz instead of 2.2, and 6600gt instead of 6800) but since the difference isn't major, it'll probably still play decently.

EDIT2: Wow, HDR is UNBELIEVABLE! It runs smoothly on my PC but get sudden jerks (it freezes for a split second) quite a lot, no matter what my screen resolution and settings are set to. Odd.

Did you notice the amazing reflections on the guns? It's like real-time HDR reflections or something.. neat. And that light trick with the windows is just... beyond me. Oh and I love how you stop the battery from firing biggrin
Posted: Fri, 28th Oct 2005, 3:40am

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Ja.

This... wow. Unprecedented. I've updated my website TWO DAYS IN A ROW because of this!

Wow!

Thanks, Valve!

...Though I'm still never letting them live down that DOD: Source crap. Grr. mad
Posted: Fri, 28th Oct 2005, 3:51am

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I'm not massively wowed by alot of the HDR bloom effects, as they're present in DoD source. Although the water, refraction and reflection effects that HDR enables are impressive, the commentary also provided a unique and interesting tour of Valves implementations.

It's a real shame that the whole thing lasts around 10 minutes, as it really reminded me how much I enjoyed Half life 2 as an experience.

On an added note, I found the level design confusing at points, and not as fluid as HL2's. For example I headed back down towards the lower cliffs at one point instead of going up towards the monastery. And also at the very end, I found the lift a little difficult to get to.

Conclusion : Aftermath is definetly going to look great, let's hope it plays it.
Posted: Fri, 28th Oct 2005, 4:51am

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Hybrid-Halo wrote:

It's a real shame that the whole thing lasts around 10 minutes, as it really reminded me how much I enjoyed Half life 2 as an experience.
That it certainly did. Half-Life 2 was an incredible game.
Posted: Fri, 28th Oct 2005, 5:15am

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Also, did you guys here about a possible HL2 installment on like a monthly/bi-monthly basis?
Posted: Fri, 28th Oct 2005, 8:36am

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What the-- why didn't anybody tell me this was out already!?
Posted: Fri, 28th Oct 2005, 8:55am

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Nooooo, im to busy to play it, so unfair. I hate being a house owner, now not only am i poor but i haven't got the time to play games, im so close to completing HL2, let alone get this. Maybe christmas i will get the chance. I also gotta play splinter cell 3 yet.
Posted: Fri, 28th Oct 2005, 11:44am

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Thanks for the heads up.

Cheers
Posted: Fri, 28th Oct 2005, 5:10pm

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ashman69erdude wrote:

Nooooo, im to busy to play it, so unfair. I hate being a house owner, now not only am i poor but i haven't got the time to play games, im so close to completing HL2, let alone get this. Maybe christmas i will get the chance. I also gotta play splinter cell 3 yet.
Isn't Lost Coast free?
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jstow222 wrote:

ashman69erdude wrote:

Nooooo, im to busy to play it, so unfair. I hate being a house owner, now not only am i poor but i haven't got the time to play games, im so close to completing HL2, let alone get this. Maybe christmas i will get the chance. I also gotta play splinter cell 3 yet.
Isn't Lost Coast free?
Yeap.
Posted: Fri, 28th Oct 2005, 5:17pm

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Plays flawlessly. Everything maxed out, 16XAF, 6XAA at 1280 x 1024.
Me loves me GTX.
Posted: Fri, 28th Oct 2005, 5:44pm

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Grrr. I hate steam. I haven't been able to play ANY steam game because since the October GUI update, Steam crashes my system when it opens. I've been waiting 2 weeks on Valve support to give me some REAL help.

I've been desperate to play this for ages, and NOW I CAN'T!!
Posted: Fri, 28th Oct 2005, 6:04pm

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Valve is horrible when it comes down to customer support. I got the Half-Life 2: Collector's Edition retail package for Christmas. This was an $80.00 retail store bought gift.

Because this was purchased in a retail store (kindly selling Valve's products), I am not eligible to get Day of Defeat: Source. Meanwhile, the people who purchased the "Platinum Half-Life 2" (for the same $80, mind you) get to have Day of Defeat: Source.

That REALLY pissed me off. There's no telling how much I hate Valve as a company. It's sad, really, they put out great products, yet treat their customers like crap. We should start a petitition.
Posted: Fri, 28th Oct 2005, 6:20pm

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I admit that before this, I had no problem with Steam, it all ran fine, even the unlocking. Many people complained, but I thought it was silly for them to complain - I wasn't having any problems. Of course, my opinion of Valve has changed dramatic after sampling their 'customer support'. I wait one week to have someone finally e-mail me back with a copy of the 'common FAQ' solutions page - does he seriously think I would not have already scoured the site in search of the answer, or was a week not enough?

I don't pirate games (or anything else for that matter) because I believe the developers need the money, but I am so damn close this time. Why should I care for Valve? They clearly couldn't give a frozen flying fritter what I think.

Oh, and I completely agree with your signature - grr, grr indeed.
Posted: Fri, 28th Oct 2005, 6:30pm

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I concur. I didn't think Steam was all bad, initially. And, for all intents and purposes, it's worked just fine on my computer. This changed when I found out Steam is a repulsive bother to work with when you're installing it on your custom-built computer at home that isn't connected to the internet.

Bad. Bad things happen.
Posted: Fri, 28th Oct 2005, 6:35pm

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EA are far worse than Valve.

They are like a virus in the games industry. They buy out all the decent games studios and churn out crap.
Posted: Fri, 28th Oct 2005, 6:35pm

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I personally love Valve, their creativity and working process is a true blessing in an industry dominated by faceless corporations like EA and Ubisoft.

Though saying that, I've never had any problems with my software. I imagine there's a huge amount of support problems which the team can't deal with as fast as some users would like. Friends with problems with HL2 have always been able to find solutions elsewhere online, perhaps there is a hl2 community which can solve them for you.

And whining about not getting DoD:S because you bought a product which didn't specifically sell you DoD:S is a bit whimsical, if you wanted DoD so badly then it wouldnt have been a stretch to buy it online. The reason online versions of the game were cheaper (i.e. you got more for the same amount of money) was because of the distribution costs valve avoid by selling it online.
Posted: Fri, 28th Oct 2005, 6:39pm

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Thing is, I don't see how they can come into so many problems. I'm a developer, so I know the sort of work that goes into applications like Steam, but how they can make so many crucial mistakes is beyond me. In theory, it should store your verified username on the hard drive, and if you aren't connected to the net, then see if that has been verified. How come the file keeps disappearing, so you have to connect to the net to get it verified again? This shouldn't happen. Ever.

As for the problem I'm experiencing currently, whenever Steam is open, it uses 100% CPU for a brief period every 2 seconds, which makes running any sort of application absolutely impossible. Coupled with the fact that Steam auto-opens on boot up makes this worse than spyware. The only way I can use my computer is to open the task manager and kill it before Steam gets a chance to dig it's claws in. I wouldn't call that a user-friendly interface, would you?

EDIT: HH, I've been all over Steampowered.com forums, opened a thread, but no-one can help me.
About a month ago, I would be exactly where you are right now: Valve are great, I love their games, there's nothing wrong with Steam, they just have a lot of people to answer. If you ever have a similar problem to me, I can guarantee your view of Valve will change.
Posted: Fri, 28th Oct 2005, 6:46pm

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You can get it to stop booting on startup by editing the options, or by removing it from your boot list/startup directory. Being a developer I thought you'd know that already, have you tried?

I've no idea about how to remove the processor strain problems though. Have you tried removing everything and fresh installing steam?
Posted: Fri, 28th Oct 2005, 6:56pm

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I have tried removing it from the startup programs, but it keeps re-listing itself. Also, I deleted clientregistry.blob (the file that contains Steams update list), so that it would re-install itself, but the problem resurfaced.
Posted: Fri, 28th Oct 2005, 7:07pm

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Steam > Settings > Interface, uncheck "Start with windows". Else it will keep relisting itself. You tried that? Sorry if I'm coming accross as patronising, just I think removing it from the startup should be the easiest thing to solve (of all the problems... wink).
Posted: Fri, 28th Oct 2005, 7:18pm

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The reason online versions of the game were cheaper (i.e. you got more for the same amount of money) was because of the distribution costs valve avoid by selling it online.
I had considered that. All the same, I went online many times and gathered that because I had purchased the Collector's edition, I'd get all of the source mods for free.

Apparently I was wrong. It never was clearly stated that DoD: Source wasn't part of the Collector's pack, in fact, it came out as quite the contrary. I don't really like plain jane DoD, but a friend of mine does. And, as it would have it, he jumped on the opportunity to get DoD: Source. The main reason I dislike DoD is it's rather dismal graphics. The same thing kept me from being a big CounterStrike player. I figured at LEAST since I'd be getting DoD: Source for free... me and my friend could play online.

...I was wrong. And it bothers me that as a consumer, I paid $80. Be it through a cash register or through an online order, I'm $80 down from what I was before, shouldn't I get the same stuff the online purchaser got? Especially considering I only need to download it now, I don't need a CD?
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To a degree I sympathise with you, though it could have been much worse. You could have spent $80 on something other than the greatest game in the entire universe. wink

I bought the retail version and bought DoD seperately, I'm not a big DoD fan but bought it for the same reason you wanted a copy : friends who play it.
Posted: Fri, 28th Oct 2005, 7:22pm

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That is what I think is causing the problems, the thing is that I can't get to the toolbar, because as soon as Steam opens, it cripples my CPU, thus preventing me from doing anything. Thus the problem.
Update: I've installed SP2 of windows (thinking that's the only thing I could do) and that still hasn't fixed the problem. I'm running ATI catalyst so that my Video drivers are up to date, so it's not that. Steam can update itself, but as soon as it's done, it cripples the system. I therefore know that Steam is not having a problem with my LAN setup. I can't think of any reason why Steam could be acting this way on my system. Grr.

EDIT: Seems Microsoft Update is messing me about, I've downloaded all updates except SP2. Doing so now. Fingers, toes and intestines crossed this works crazy

EDIT 2: the sequel: Installed SP2....still not working. Damn damn damn. Need sleep now, will e-mail valve in the morning.

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Posted: Fri, 28th Oct 2005, 8:51pm

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Because this was purchased in a retail store (kindly selling Valve's products), I am not eligible to get Day of Defeat: Source. Meanwhile, the people who purchased the "Platinum Half-Life 2" (for the same $80, mind you) get to have Day of Defeat: Source.
Did the product you purchase include Day of Defeat: Source, or claim to at any point? No. Therefore, case closed. You can't complain about not receiving something you didn't buy.

Steam is another topic entirely, of course. I've never had any problems with Steam or HL2, so I have no complaints. I sometimes wonder if the supposed mass of problems are due to Valve having an open community/forum system that makes them more obvoius than most publishers, or whether they really are as wide spread. Given the masses of people operating the software, the number complaining about problem still seem relatively small. Doesn't excuse it, of course, but I still think Steam is unfairly demonised.

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HL2 is the only reason I want a PC right now. You guys are so lucky, I'll play this update thing or whatever tonight at my friend's house.
Posted: Fri, 28th Oct 2005, 9:11pm

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Hopefully your friend has a great system, or it won't work on it. That's the only downside of PC gaming: you need to spend and know a lot to keep with it.
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On the other hand, that's also precisely what makes it so cutting edge and exciting.
Posted: Fri, 28th Oct 2005, 11:26pm

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Tarn wrote:

On the other hand, that's also precisely what makes it so cutting edge and exciting.
I think people are starting to get fed up now though.

I just spent £300 on my GTX and it's not up to the job in F.E.A.R.
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TommyB wrote:

Tarn wrote:

On the other hand, that's also precisely what makes it so cutting edge and exciting.
I think people are starting to get fed up now though.

I just spent £300 on my GTX and it's not up to the job in F.E.A.R.
Then you've rather obviously set something up way too high, F.E.A.R. runs flawlessly with decent visuals on my x800pro.
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Fear is awesome. generally you need 3.2 ghz 1 gb of ram and a 6800gt or better. Otherwise, theres chop.
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FEAR Demo:

1.92GHz, 1GB RAM, 6600gt + almost maximum settings at 1024 = about 40fps
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TommyB wrote:

I think people are starting to get fed up now though.

I just spent £300 on my GTX and it's not up to the job in F.E.A.R.
That's why (in my opinion) these new dual-graphics setups (SLI, Crossfire) will spawn a breed of games that will be rather isolated to these highly expensive setups.

If you weren't aware, Gigabyte recently released an LGA775 (Pentium 4/D) motherboard that has FOUR PCI-E x16 slots, for use with FOUR Nvidia graphics cards in SLI.

*sigh*

I'm flustered by all that.
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I'm pretty sure you can't do quad SLI setups..
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HL2 is great. I was having a lot of fun with it until in the sewers that zombie lashed out at me from behind the boxes. I never touched it after that.

(Just kidding. My friend played it and I covered my eyes and wore noise reducing headphones. That game gave me nightmares.)
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Bryce007 wrote:

I'm pretty sure you can't do quad SLI setups..
Ahem.
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TommyB - set FEAR's resolution to your native screen resolution and then set the Antialiasing to 4x or 2x... you really don't need more than that.
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That was sweet. Oh, and my friend's PC's are probably more powerful than everyone's PC. My friend's Dad is some computer orinted job like guy, and he's spent thousands and thousands of dollars on his computer, which takes up an entire corner, not because it is ancient, but because it has so many different components and what not. Tons of HDs, a projector, etc. etc. Those were the best graphics I have ever seen in a game that I have played. It was really just a tech demo, but still really cool.

HOWEVER, this is most certainly not where it's at. This is where it's at. Goldeneye source, about halfway done. They are remaking Goldeneye 64 on the HL2 engine or something, with crazy arse graphics. I can't wait for this, because I grew up with GE64.
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Supercomputer... I see hehe. They do indeed look amazing (too bad I can't see it smoothly). Next step would maybe be motion blur, but that would probably be uber CPU-intensive... unless.... the Physics Processing Unit is used!
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....They've got motion blurs in HL2.

Stand in Dr. Kleiner's teleporter... when those whirly things are going around you, they blur once they get fast enough. biggrin
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Heh yeah, but I mean EVERYTHING (except the camera movement... that would just make it hard to aim) has real-time motion blur applied.
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Ahh.

Aftermath. biggrin
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HOORAY!
I've fixed it!
I was running dxdiag, just to prove everything was up to date (which it was), and I tested steam afterwards, and it works. Huzzah! I'm guessing that when DXDiag was organising WHQL signitures, it indexed them somewhere, and that was what Steam was looking for every two seconds.

Now I just have to wait 58 minutes for Steam to download Lost Coast....I love you Steam.

On the matter of Valve customer service, it's ironic, isn't it; that the most successful companies (like valve) have the worst customer service, but the companies that are struggling have the best customer service. Don't say it's because companies like Valve have more customers, because that's not the problem, the problem is how they deal with them.
Let's take FXHome as an example. FXHome is the most friendly company I know. There are almost 30,000 users on this forum, and if any of them have a problem, they can e-mail, post on the forum, or ask questions during one of the chat periods. That is what real customer service should be about, where you get to speak to someone who knows what they're talking about, and will actually respond to you. Waiting a week for a reply to an e-mail is not good service.
I gather that Valve is a very large company, but then surely they need larger customer support?
Anyways, all i'm saying is that if everyones customer support was as good as FXHomes, then it would be much more of a pleasure to work with computers.

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Yep, but everytime a new graphics card is released it's about twice as powerful as the old one.

E.g 7800GTX is more as powerful as two 6800GTs/Ultras in SLI. (In many cases)
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A-pickle, i stand corrected.

And that is ridiculous. Just imagine quad-SLI setup with 4 7800gtx's..


Oh lord. The power supply and cooling you'd need...


And Fear's graphics are really really good, but They aren't Lightyears away from halflife or doom. Just 2-3 steps above them.
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TommyB wrote:

EA are far worse than Valve.
Ahhh... It reminds me on the times of my old PC.
I bought 'The Sims House Party', and it didn't run on it. Well, we sended EA a mail...

3 months later, they still didn't react on our mail.

We sended again a mail. 2 months later there still wasn't a reaction.

And they recieved the mails, cuz there wasn't a mail that the mail didn't arrived his adress.


EA u suck ! razz
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Well, I just played through the Lost Coast, and it was pretty impressive stuff. I had a good look around the church, and the most impressive thing was how the paintings on the walls had some parts painted in a metallic paint, so that it reflected and bloomed, but the rest of the texture didn't.
The thing is that it's depressing how much work has to go into something like this. It's very daunting from my point of view. Great for players. Hard for developers.
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Pooky - HL2 does have motion blur, it also has active depth of field and now shutter speed/exposure. The render engine can also tint stuff with crazy grading. Jump into Gary's Mod and you can fiddle about with them.
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Motion blur? How do I turn it on?
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I think the grenades had motion blur on them, didn't they? I'm not sure how to turn it on in Garry's mod, though I'm sure I've seen it in HL2.
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Yeah but when you see a combine falling off a cliff or something, he doesn't have motion blur. I really mean real-time lifelife motion blur on every single object in the world (except the camera/viewpoint).
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pooky wrote:

Yeah but when you see a combine falling off a cliff or something, he doesn't have motion blur. I really mean real-time lifelife motion blur on every single object in the world (except the camera/viewpoint).
But if you watch say, a stuntman jump off a building in real life he doesn't suddenly start to motion blur...
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Move your hand really fast and you'll see motion blur. Same goes for when you see a guy fall, you see it's a guy but it's kinda blurry.
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pooky wrote:

Move your hand really fast and you'll see motion blur. Same goes for when you see a guy fall, you see it's a guy but it's kinda blurry.
I know what motion blur is pooky wink I was just sure I've seen it in Half Life 2 before, the technology for it already exists as it's been used in other games using the source engine (Vampire Masquerade). So If it wasn't present in Half Life 2 for some effects my bet would be that valve chose not to use it.
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I know this is old, but I just re-installed HL2 and havnt played LC yet. I am wondering if the High Def stuff is added to the rest of the game as well or if it was added only to Lost Coast Portion.
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its only on lost coast but i think the mentioned that they will add HDR to the original game
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The HDR along with some other effects are going to be used for HL2:Aftermath. The next installment in the HL2 Story.
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hmm, youd think they would have or would be in the process of integrating it ito the rest of the game. For now I will just use fakefactories high res skins. If you havnt checked them out yet, you should, they look great.

http://halflife2.filefront.com/file/HalfLife_2_FakeFactorys_Hi_Resolution_Pack;49961