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What do you use to put films together?

Posted: Mon, 7th Nov 2005, 10:22pm

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I like Windows Movie Maker. Easy, free, and really nice to use.
What about you guys?
Recommend some please smile
Posted: Mon, 7th Nov 2005, 10:29pm

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Wow, Movie Maker. You must be completely new at this filmmaking stuff. When I first started, I thought it was great too until I tried other programs. Now Movie maker to me is pretty crappy. Most people are going to say that they use Adobe premiere Pro, Adobe Premiere Elements, Pinnacle Studio, and Sony Vegas.

I use Vegas and Pinnacle Studio. I spent a good deal of money on these and they are great. Movie Maker is really crappy now that I use these programs.
Posted: Mon, 7th Nov 2005, 10:32pm

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I use Adobe Premiere 6 and Sony Vegas.

But don't be put off by lots of people having all these flash programs. It's what you do with your editing that counts, and the quality of what you've filmed.
Posted: Mon, 7th Nov 2005, 10:34pm

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I could try those as I get more into it I guess. Movie-Maker has some nice transition/effects. I also use MovieShop and Arcsoft Showbiz
Posted: Mon, 7th Nov 2005, 11:27pm

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Well, I have final cut pro, but don't know how to use it. I like imovie though, for mac. But for titles and stuff, Well, I used motion to make my Impact Productions intro, but imovie for the credits and stuff. People say that final cut pro is great. (They probably know how to use it.) biggrin
Posted: Mon, 7th Nov 2005, 11:47pm

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I use Adobe Primere Elements it really good for editing it can hold 99 video and 99 audio tracks it has some good effects including Color Key aka Green or blue screen you can find it and alot of other stuff here.

www.adobe.com

But I still like Effects Lab. wink
Posted: Tue, 8th Nov 2005, 12:17am

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I use iMovie, although i would love to have Final Cut. (I do know how to use it, so Film Freak, if you wanna, you know, pass it on, that wouldnt be a problem... shhh )
Posted: Tue, 8th Nov 2005, 12:21am

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i use pinnical studio version 9, adobe premire 1.5, adobe elements, and edirol, some times xprss avid but its not to great. Most of those programs are easy to use and make profesional looking video and audio.
Posted: Tue, 8th Nov 2005, 12:33am

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I've been asking around and am wondering what can be used insteada Windows Movie Maker cause I guess .WMV format is a pain or something. Whats wrong with the format?
Posted: Tue, 8th Nov 2005, 12:50am

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Avid Free DV ( www.google.com )
Posted: Tue, 8th Nov 2005, 1:37am

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0.11 seconds on google would have gotten you this: http://www.avid.com/freedv/
Posted: Tue, 8th Nov 2005, 2:09am

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I use Final Cut.
Posted: Tue, 8th Nov 2005, 2:59am

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.WMV? Quality first off. I think the quality can look pretty bad in .wmv. For my situation, I needed some features that I am sure that Movie Maker doesn't have. I needed to speed up and slow footage, needed more audio tracks for music and sound effects, and to put my movies onto DVD as gifts for friends or family.You will see. There will be a point where you want to do a bigger film project and you will see that movie maker can't do the things you need. I like Pinnacle Studio 9 Plus for $30. It is pretty easy and it will probably will do 90% of what you will need to do. The other high end products cost $400+
Posted: Tue, 8th Nov 2005, 3:26am

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I'm all FCP but I can't really afford it. I borrowed it for awhile froma friend, but it looks like I'm going to have to find a way to buy it. I tried using imovie for a test of my new microphone, andI don't know how I put up with it for all those years. FCP is so great, even premier seems limiting to me.
Posted: Tue, 8th Nov 2005, 3:58am

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DPUMA8 wrote:

I like Pinnacle Studio 9 Plus for $30.
$30?!? God, I got ripped off. When I was looking around for my first NLE after Movie Maker, I bought it for $100. It wasn't too long ago, either. I opened it didn't like it, and thanks to some clever repackaging, I returned it, and got Screenblast.
Posted: Tue, 8th Nov 2005, 8:17am

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I use Ulead Media Pro 7 and Ulead Video Studeo 8. Ulead Media Pro 7 has Chroma Key also but I like to use Chromanator and EFX Lab DV for my special fx.
Posted: Tue, 8th Nov 2005, 9:22am

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I use Final Cut for most work, however, I have Avid Free DV on my home PC. I use the Avid Free DV for smaller projects and a lot of a logging of footage. Hell I've even done rough cuts on it.

It's a very excellent program and more importantly it is cheap as free.

I do concur though, editing makes the film, not the editing program. Granted you must work in the confines of the program but that is true for all programs, but ingenuity you can make the editor work for you not against you.
Posted: Tue, 8th Nov 2005, 10:38am

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Premiere pro 1.5, Vegas 6.0. The usual suspects for a PC user same as Final cut Pro and imovie are for Mac users. I wouldn't recommend Pinnacle 9, its pretty unstable, I suspect pinnacle 10 should be better as it's the first release since Avid bought pinnacle and avids stuff is usually pretty good. I would say myself though go for premiere elements as your next step up from Movie Maker. Much more flexabiliy without being overwhelming to the novice user.
Posted: Wed, 9th Nov 2005, 2:51pm

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I got Premiere pro 1.5 for only 5 bucks(i got luck), Pinnical for 100 bucks, Adobe Elements for free, and Edirol Free. But i paid for Effects Lab, Pinnical Studio 9, and Movie Star 5( Old program but still good for a beginner).
Posted: Wed, 9th Nov 2005, 3:50pm

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rogolo wrote:

DPUMA8 wrote:

I like Pinnacle Studio 9 Plus for $30.
$30?!? God, I got ripped off. When I was looking around for my first NLE after Movie Maker, I bought it for $100. It wasn't too long ago, either. I opened it didn't like it, and thanks to some clever repackaging, I returned it, and got Screenblast.
You both got ripped off if you let someone sell you Pinnacle. smile Luckily my forced servitude towards Pinnacle ended last spring when me and Ben got Vegas 5. It's awesome, and has (to me) an easier layout than Premiere Pro 5.1. (Which I use for tricky stuff like motion tracking and REALLY complex tracking.)

Of course, I'll continue saying it: Video Explosion is the way to go. It's a clone (EXACT CLONE, mind you) of Vegas 3 (and parts of 4). We used it to grade "Found" and it's equally awesome to Sony Vegas. Plus, it's cheap, like $70, which is very little for how much it opens you up to with ease.
Posted: Wed, 9th Nov 2005, 10:02pm

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I use vegas 5. I've never tried 6, would someone who owns 6 tell me about the new features? How does it compare to vegas 5?

Pcremag:

Yes, moviemaker does have some neat little transitions and effects, but as you get more into this and start doing complex compositing, editing etc, moviemaker just won't cut it.
Posted: Thu, 10th Nov 2005, 5:59pm

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Final Cut for editing, DVD Studio Pro for authoring, Digital Performer 4.5 for sound, Maya for 3D, Shake & AE for comps, RealFlow for fluid simulation, and a few plug-ins.

Too much money though, thank god I'm a student still.
Posted: Thu, 10th Nov 2005, 7:56pm

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(used to use) Windows Movie Maker (I think for any beginning filmmaker, WMM introduces you slowly and well with easy-to-use titles and transitions. But soon you'll find that only having one audio track bothers you, and then you end up with something like

(currently use) Adobe Premiere Elements. It's SO good that I cannot believe I got the Non-commercial edition for 70$. Commercial edition is 100$. It's a great program that does all you need, even stuff like WMM and Quicktime compression, or even DVD titles, menus, converting, and burning. It even has some of its own real-time effects. It's a GREAT piece of software and it is my first recommendation up when you graduate from Windows Movie Maker.
Posted: Fri, 11th Nov 2005, 8:37am

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Damn, I'm still a Pinnacle user.
A few weeks ago I was still good thinking about pinnacle, but recently I started editing my first 'big' (40-50 minutes) project and I slowly come to realize that this may not be the future in movie editing.
Maybe in a few weeks I'll be that pissed of and run to the nearest PC shop, buy myself any programm that does NOT say the same line every 20 minutes:

Pinnacle Studio 9 has a onoccured error.
Send Report Don't send report

AAAAAAAAARGH.

A pissed off anti-pinnacle Gekjas. (poorly depending on it)
Posted: Fri, 11th Nov 2005, 1:58pm

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Buy a Mac and Final Cut...no errors that I've encountered, as of yet.
Posted: Fri, 11th Nov 2005, 2:18pm

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it's a problem with pinnacle buddy. You might try upgrading to version 10 though I dunno if thats any more stable or as someone else said get Adobe premier elements.

outsiderlookingin we meet again wink seriously though wish I was a student these days. I couldn't afford to buy all the stuff you've got. Those educational versions of stuff are a real godsend for you student guys. I expect you got your Mac cheaper as well. Not sure changing his computer is the way for him to go in this case thought wink
Posted: Fri, 11th Nov 2005, 2:27pm

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I only take one class...so I use the term student loosely. The Mac set me back about $1700, but I had a job at CompUSA so that helped a little.
Posted: Fri, 11th Nov 2005, 3:14pm

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thats what puts me off Mac, I keep wanting to buy one to try it coz I am a PC/Windows guy but not a closed minded one. trouble is I keep seeing the prices and while I know pound for pound (i'm from the uk) they are quicker but when I see the the specs and prices I just cant justify buying one with the possibility I may not get on with it. I#m not getting a mac mini that would be pointless it would have to be a powerMAC and they are not cheap.
Posted: Fri, 11th Nov 2005, 3:27pm

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I prefer the stability. Pound for pound you can probably get a faster windows box, but too many bugs and crashes.

If you want to get a Mac, wait for the Intels, the code will be optimized better for fx programs.
Posted: Mon, 14th Nov 2005, 2:08am

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atom wrote:

rogolo wrote:

DPUMA8 wrote:

I like Pinnacle Studio 9 Plus for $30.
$30?!? God, I got ripped off. When I was looking around for my first NLE after Movie Maker, I bought it for $100. It wasn't too long ago, either. I opened it didn't like it, and thanks to some clever repackaging, I returned it, and got Screenblast.
You both got ripped off if you let someone sell you Pinnacle. smile Luckily my forced servitude towards Pinnacle ended last spring when me and Ben got Vegas 5. It's awesome, and has (to me) an easier layout than Premiere Pro 5.1. (Which I use for tricky stuff like motion tracking and REALLY complex tracking.)

Of course, I'll continue saying it: Video Explosion is the way to go. It's a clone (EXACT CLONE, mind you) of Vegas 3 (and parts of 4). We used it to grade "Found" and it's equally awesome to Sony Vegas. Plus, it's cheap, like $70, which is very little for how much it opens you up to with ease.
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My girl's brother worked at Bestbuy so he got me Pinnacle for $8. I had the same problems as some of you but when I upgraded my computer, it always works great. I don't edit very much with Pinnacle anymore (Vegas 6 now), but it does have an EXCELLENT DVD making feature within the program. DVD architect is too hard to figure out
Posted: Mon, 14th Nov 2005, 8:05pm

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DPUMA8 wrote:

I don't edit very much with Pinnacle anymore (Vegas 6 now), but it does have an EXCELLENT DVD making feature within the program. DVD architect is too hard to figure out
As I'm getting the Vegas 6/DVD Architect 3 bundle very soon, I've been doing some research, reading and watching various tutorials and playing around with the demo. There's a DVD Architect video tutorial that I think would help you out a bunch - it covers all the basics to get you started. Here's the link. It's the second choice - a 90Mb download of an NAB seminar. It's actually designed for DVDA 2, but I would think that most of the info is still relevant. After watching it, it is obvious that DVDA is FAR superior to the DVD creation used in Studio 9 (my current NLE.) Hope this helps a little.
Posted: Thu, 16th Feb 2006, 4:32pm

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Sorry for bringing an old topic alive, but I am currently using Adobe Premiere Elements 2.0 and it works amazingly! I didn't know that you could do Blue-Screen/Green-Screen with it smile
Posted: Thu, 16th Feb 2006, 6:16pm

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I've been an Adobe Premiere user since version 6; and I just bought the completel Adobe Production Suite (Premiere Pro 2, After Effects 7 Pro, Encore DVD, Audition, Photoshop CS2, Dynamic Link and Bridge); I can't wait for it to arrive!

I also use EffectsLab Pro for effects; and I plan on purchasing CompositeLab Pro as soon as I can afford it!

A friend of mine, with whom I often work together, uses FL Studio for music creation and Moray for 3D modelling and animation.
Posted: Thu, 16th Feb 2006, 7:54pm

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Vegas for the win!
Posted: Fri, 17th Feb 2006, 1:19pm

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Premiere 6 and Pinnacle Studio 8 for me.

I have an older brother who owns the entire Adobe video box set thingy. Its really nice, and he got it for only $300 dollars....brand new...

I may end up getting that some day but Premiere 6 (I pretty much only use Pinnacle Studio to capture the video and add Smart Sound, since Premiere doesn't seem to be able to without quicktracks) is a really nice program and works great with all the editing ect. One of the major drawbacks of Pinnacle Studio is that you can only have two audio tracks (one for audio, one for video) and plus, Premiere has tons of features that Pinnacle doesn't have. Then again, Pinnacle does have a nifty DVD builder....which is one of the reasons I use both.

And yes, .wmv is probably the worst format to go for. I capture my video in uncompressed .avi and then encode the final project in mpeg 3 when done. Another reason for not using .wmv is that (to my knowledge) Fxhome products can't import it. So yeah, another thing.

-Landon
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Landon: You're actually capturing your footage in uncomressed .avi? Doesn't that take ALOT of harddrive space? I use DV AVI and I'm pretty happe about that. But I suppose I should start capturing uncomressed for getting the best result..! Actually I capture through MovieMaker... I know it sucks at editing, but for capturing it's okay..! wink By the way, .wmv is a good format for web-hosting.

Oeyvind
Posted: Fri, 17th Feb 2006, 11:29pm

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Oeyvind wrote:

Landon: You're actually capturing your footage in uncomressed .avi? Doesn't that take ALOT of harddrive space? I use DV AVI and I'm pretty happe about that. But I suppose I should start capturing uncomressed for getting the best result..! Actually I capture through MovieMaker... I know it sucks at editing, but for capturing it's okay..! wink By the way, .wmv is a good format for web-hosting.

Oeyvind
No, it isnt. Try ANYTHING ELSE besides that, like DivX, MP4, or MOV or something, just anything besides that. (Except Real video of course, thats probably the worst ever. It angers me.)
Posted: Fri, 17th Feb 2006, 11:57pm

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The ls:tv webmonkey swears by WMV for our servers, he insists that it's one of the better streaming codecs that is pretty much universal, and it's inherantly copyright protected (at least, to a greater extent that other formats).

I wouldn't dismiss it so quickly.
Posted: Sat, 18th Feb 2006, 12:15am

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Yeah I agree, for streaming WMV is actually quite useful.
Posted: Sat, 18th Feb 2006, 3:16am

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Get Vegas go to comp usa and get vegas now its worth the 129 bucks. if your new to editting its easy if youve tried other programs its saves you a tone of time. adobe maybe be pretty powerful but its scruntch up in a gritty interface and hard for a newbie to get the only thing i dont know about is final cut. but ill put my left nut out there on vegas all because the its load time fast as hell as well as easy previewing.
Posted: Sat, 18th Feb 2006, 4:56pm

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Vegas all the way for me. but Im have trouble with it making audio peaks.
Posted: Sat, 18th Feb 2006, 6:46pm

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I use old buggy Studio 8 by Pinnacle.