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Splinter Cell Remake: Production winds down...

Will you watch this movie once it's out?

Yes.88%[ 83 ]
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Posted: Wed, 16th Nov 2005, 8:09pm

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Rating: +7



The End Draws Near
Well, it's been an exhausting twelve weeks, but production the much- I hope- anticipated Splinter Cell: Pandora Yesterday remake is drawing closer and closer to completion. Though truthfully we've only spent 3 weekends of the 12 weeks planning and/or filming parts of the movie due to schoolwork and what have you, I know it's been a long time since we announced its production in late August. However, fear not, the release is imminent.



One Tough Production
Whew! What to say, what to say. With the four core members of our production (myself, atom, Chase, and Brian) all going to different schools at different times, coordination of production was extremely difficult. Reese, Chase's brother, who played the hostage, and was also a vigilant, quite necessary production assistant during filming; was also hard to schedule production times around, seeing as we needed his help for the most part. Needless to say, getting everything together was tough.



As problems arise, innovation follows suit
Essentially, the movie started from atom just calling the guys over and saying "Hey, Ben's got this Splinter Cell script, come on down and let's film it." Well, that was a lie, I hadn't written anything, so I scrambled to get some words down as they got over. I had a rough idea of the static shot I wanted so I drew up some storyboards as a guide and we just went from there.

However, soon after getting hyped about the movie we realized we might not have the means to complete- or even start it, for that matter. So instead or giving up, we brainstormed, and, in turn, got alot of the stuff we thought unpheasable accomplished. For instance, Sam Fisher has a 5 o'clock shadow, there's no denying it. Even if we write in that he's younger, he has to have a beard. I mean, he's freakin' Sam Fisher, for god's sakes! So, trying our hardest to make it beievable, we got some thick pencils and a mascara brush and started drawing away at Chase- the actor's- chin and eyebrows.

Eventually, we got some pretty drastic and amazing results.


The beard gave us further ideas, and we eventually came up with the idea of having the hostage look somewhat beat up and have a black eye, so we went ahead and pencil-and-brushed that in.


We also had problems with our audio. Though Chase purchased an electret condenser microphone, one of us was still stuck with the laborious task of balancing the mic just out of view over the actors' heads. To fix this, Chase and I drove up to Home Depot and constructed an impromptu boom mic out of pieces of PVC, all coming to a total of about 7 dollars. For that price, the boom stick didn't come out half bad.

A tutorial for how to make one (if anyone is interested) should be here soon.

Locations besides backyards are good.
I got a lot of flak from people who saw the opening because they all thought I shot it in my backyard (not true). Well, considering our options, atom went ahead and called the owner of this super awesome building under construction, booking a location. It was pretty awesome.



It's Good To Have Actors
Well, in addition to the many talents Brian and Chase have, they're also both pretty damn good at acting. Special thanks to them for making the movie not suck.

Brian- The Gunman


Chase- Sam Fisher/Splinter Cell

All-in-all, I know good help, especially acting-wise, is hard to find for amateur filmmakers; so I'm eternally grateful to have both these guys as part of the group.

Screenshots and Such
Well, for those of you who are thirsty for more, here's some screenshots; some graded and finished, some rough.

I can't track down some of my previously uploaded pics, so there may be more on here than that, but whatever.

The Community Helps
Thanks to much support from the FXHome community, namely Serpent and RudyPicardo, this project has been able to scoot further along towards completion. There were also those whose interest in the project further inspired me. I've been getting PMs off the wing wang about this movie.

Other supporters such as mattio, Bryce007, sk8npirate, swg33k, evman101, Pooky, Aculag, and Zea gave much-appreciated praise and support.

And Finally....
Whoa, this post is long! Once the movie is out, for those of you that would like a DVD, PM me; I'm sure we'll be making them. There'll also be a premiere party and screening, so if you're in the Dallas Metroplex area, come on down and see it.

In conclusion, we've had a blast so far making this (albeit a few petty arguments) and I hope it gets well received. Expect it soon.

PEACE OUT.
Posted: Wed, 16th Nov 2005, 8:24pm

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Ofcourse I'm gonna watch it...

The film has been presented spectaculary.

Good luck with it,
RRF Productions
Posted: Wed, 16th Nov 2005, 8:27pm

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Holy crap. What happened to you guys making crappy movies? wink

This looks "friggin' sweet" It's obvious you put a lot of thought into this, and went through the whole process.

I'll be sure to check this out the day you release it to the cinema. Heck, I might even buy a DVD.

PS. The post is awesome, reminds me of a Spotlight biggrin

PSS. I'd like to see a tutorial on how you did that 5 o'clock shadow. It looks really good, and I could use it in the near future.

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Posted: Wed, 16th Nov 2005, 8:36pm

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The light fixture upon that man's brow is really cool. Did you apply any effect to get the fine glowing effect?
Posted: Wed, 16th Nov 2005, 8:42pm

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Ben - I have anticipated the release of the movie since you had that ever present banner on fxhome with the storyboard/final look comparison.

What's the runtime of it? How much did the total production cost you all? I do look forward to seeing the final thing! When I was your age I was planning and filming Crawling Space - and that was great fun!

Good luck! I'll make sure to give a nice ol review biggrin
Posted: Wed, 16th Nov 2005, 9:39pm

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This looks and sounds awesome. That's cool how you made the beard on Chase for the Sam Fisher look. My company may need to put that in one of our films sometime. Hope it turns out great smile
Posted: Wed, 16th Nov 2005, 9:46pm

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This.

Is.

AWESOME!!!!!
Posted: Wed, 16th Nov 2005, 9:47pm

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I am going to watch it man nice make up to yall did a great job and nice settings to I like yalls sets well I am going to tell you right here I am going to watch it forsure good luck with every thing.

Travis Bridevaux aka jedijt9
Posted: Wed, 16th Nov 2005, 9:47pm

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Very sweet. I have been looking forward to this for awhile and I can see you took a great approach to it. Can't wait.
Posted: Wed, 16th Nov 2005, 10:16pm

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Thanks everyone for the support! We had an exhausting weekend and got a sufficient ammount of footage for the interrogation scene. I finished editing the scene last night and it looks pretty good. I'm going to take a DVD to ben today and let him grade it. Thanks for your encouragement!
-chase
Posted: Wed, 16th Nov 2005, 10:33pm

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Rating: +1

And I think we should all give a big round of applause to myself from a year and a half ago and my friend for being bored and deciding to make the original piece of $hit movie in the first place.

clap

EDIT - How long is this gonna be anyway?

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Posted: Wed, 16th Nov 2005, 10:34pm

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lisab8195 wrote:

The light fixture upon that man's brow is really cool. Did you apply any effect to get the fine glowing effect?
In which picture? I apply a varying intensity glow on most all of my videos, depending upon how I want them to look. Oh, and that "man" is a teen. "Kid", "Boy", or "Guy" would've been better operative words, but we really sold the effect if you say "man".

Chase, good to know you got that edited, I'm gonna leave school now to go grade. Drop the DVD in my mailbox if you read this.
Posted: Wed, 16th Nov 2005, 10:47pm

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ben3308 wrote:

lisab8195 wrote:

The light fixture upon that man's brow is really cool. Did you apply any effect to get the fine glowing effect?
In which picture? I apply a varying intensity glow on most all of my videos, depending upon how I want them to look. Oh, and that "man" is a teen. "Kid", "Boy", or "Guy" would've been better operative words, but we really sold the effect if you say "man".

Chase, good to know you got that edited, I'm gonna leave school now to go grade. Drop the DVD in my mailbox if you read this.
Glad you guys remembered to mention me. wink

As well as editing and grading most of the film, my job thus far was as ben stated "the go-to guy". Getting ahold of the sets and getting the costumes and props, etc. where the needed to be and when aint' easy. Anywho, the movie will be out on the 30th, and will clock in about 20-25 minutes. (some may say it's too short, some may say too long, but whatever, the production value is what sells it! biggrin )
Posted: Wed, 16th Nov 2005, 11:00pm

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ben3308 wrote:


In which picture? I apply a varying intensity glow on most all of my videos, depending upon how I want them to look. Oh, and that "man" is a teen. "Kid", "Boy", or "Guy" would've been better operative words, but we really sold the effect if you say "man".
I meant the glow of the light fixture in the 2nd picture you showed. The dark one.

First of all, I assume that beard was real. I dont know many boys who can grow beards. A teen who can grow a beard is a man, not a boy. But i really hope the actual film holds up to the hype that these great pictures bring to the thread.

The acting is always where I have a lot of trouble. I see you are using a younger kid, the one with the black eye, and i am curious to see his acting skills.
Posted: Wed, 16th Nov 2005, 11:26pm

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I hope ben won't mind if I put up some screens from the footage I'm editing right now.

Screens! (And they're green!)


The pic on the bottom left is "the sanctuary", where our evil villain resides. Muhahwhahahahah!
Posted: Wed, 16th Nov 2005, 11:38pm

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Great work Ben!(Even though I cussed you out that one time about it)

I can't wait until this comes out..It looks amazing! I really am inspired that you could do the same with the your(my[our]) movie!! biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin!

Awesome work and I hope your final product turns out GREAT! I know it will!! lol stun cool cool clap
Posted: Wed, 16th Nov 2005, 11:42pm

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lisab8195 wrote:

First of all, I assume that beard was real.
I assume you didn't read the post at all...


Anyways, I can't wait for this, it's gonna be crazy. You are SO lucky to have all of those dedicated people. I have, well, myself. Can't wait to see my part in the film. wink +1 for the great fan-spotlight.
Posted: Wed, 16th Nov 2005, 11:44pm

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I was befooled...........very badly......and i apologize for my stupidity............cricket...........
Posted: Wed, 16th Nov 2005, 11:53pm

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Cricket? Uh.....okay.

As for the younger kid's acting- he's 14, though he may not look it, and he fares pretty well acting-wise in the movie. Don't worry.
Posted: Thu, 17th Nov 2005, 12:03am

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Ben, Atom, Chase, it looks like you have put a lot of work and planning into this movie and I will definitely watch it when it comes out.

Marek wrote:

I'd like to see a tutorial on how you did that 5 o'clock shadow. It looks really good, and I could use it in the near future.
It would be great if you could write up a tutorial on how you did that because it looks real and could be useful to alot of people here including myself.
Posted: Thu, 17th Nov 2005, 12:08am

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Rating: +1

The basics of it are that most of us have whiskers, they're just not prominent enough because they are light and thin. By adding clumpy mascara, you can accentuate both the weight and color of the "peach fuzz" on the skin, hence creating a simulated beard. That's the gist of it.
Posted: Thu, 17th Nov 2005, 1:26am

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I have got to admit, i am really impressed at your progress and quality of the look of your film. I can see a huge improvement in all of your skills in film making. Your Cinematography and lighting Looks AWSOME! now did you film with a GL2? or GL1? either way the cinematography look really great! And Also the make up work is really really good, that beard looked FLAWLESS to me. Locations LOOKED AWSOME! and storyboard Comparison looked really cool! so GREAT JOB! you have the SUPPORT and SERVICE from The INITIAL PRODUCTIONS group. good luck!
Really excited for you guys!
-Aaron wink
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You've posted what feels like an awful lot about what is essentially just another cinema submission, perhaps it's time you looked into creating and managing blog/news systems for your products as Waser has with his Electric Mans 8000 movie or perhaps creating a production diary as these both create an easily accessible amount of content related to your work instead of just the occasional forum post.

That way, the media is normally interesting, entertaining or both.

-Hybrid.
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ssjaaron wrote:

I have got to admit, i am really impressed at your progress and quality of the look of your film. I can see a huge improvement in all of your skills in film making. Your Cinematography and lighting Looks AWSOME! now did you film with a GL2? or GL1? either way the cinematography look really great! And Also the make up work is really really good, that beard looked FLAWLESS to me. Locations LOOKED AWSOME! and storyboard Comparison looked really cool! so GREAT JOB! you have the SUPPORT and SERVICE from The INITIAL PRODUCTIONS group. good luck!
Really excited for you guys!
-Aaron wink
Awesome, yeah, we've worked our butts off for this movie, even though it's fairly short. (about the length of K-text) We actually might need some 3D-bullet-time-y-ish work done the polish off the ending, if you're interested.
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Yeah man, this film looks badass from what I'm seeing so far. The lighting is really impressive and so is the grading you have chosen for the movie. I really cant wait to see more.
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Hybrid-Halo wrote:

You've posted what feels like an awful lot about what is essentially just another cinema submission, perhaps it's time you looked into creating and managing blog/news systems for your products as Waser has with his Electric Mans 8000 movie or perhaps creating a production diary as these both create an easily accessible amount of content related to your work instead of just the occasional forum post.

That way, the media is normally interesting, entertaining or both.

-Hybrid.
I don't really see any problem here, though. I've posted on the remakes thread twice about it, given a trailer and three screenshots, and now that it nears completion, I decided to give a full workup for those that were still curious. And I'd say this is a far cry from your average cinema submitted 5 minute effort FX test. (if that's what you meant. if not, disregard that). Maybe I haven't put the greatest deal of time into my movie, but I'd say I've certainly put alot of effort. The Last Days had a thread before its release, not to mention a spotlight once premiered, and it was "just another cinema submission". Not trying to flame, just don't be so condemning of the awesomeness that is this thread. Waser has his blog, I've got my thread. wink
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I'm not condemning anything, I'm merely stating that having your work exhibited here limits its audience to people who visit FXhome whereas Waser's blog attracts an audience from all over the internet, recieving alot of attention.

From what I've seen of this project of yours so far, it's impressive. And it's the kind of thing you want out 'there' rather than limited to this forum. You can really only benefit from making information on your projects more accessible. By all means feel free to keep it based here at FXhome, it really can't hurt to start thinking about widening that audience though can it? wink

-Hybrid
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Hybrid-Halo wrote:

I'm not condemning anything, I'm merely stating that having your work exhibited here limits its audience to people who visit FXhome whereas Waser's blog attracts an audience from all over the internet, recieving alot of attention.

From what I've seen of this project of yours so far, it's impressive. And it's the kind of thing you want out 'there' rather than limited to this forum. You can really only benefit from making information on your projects more accessible. By all means feel free to keep it based here at FXhome, it really can't hurt to start thinking about widening that audience though can it? wink

-Hybrid
I think Ben's thinking that's it's better to present it to a concrete group of people you know it will get acknowledged by rather than putting it up in the air where possibly no one will see it.
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Either way, whatever.

Let's not start an debate for no reason in a topic that doesn't deserve it.

Where else should you post your own happiness/progress about your own movie than on fxhome filmmakers forum. I enjoyed the thread and I look forward to the film - as does (it looks like) the majority of people.

Whats its run time?
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Probably- and this is totally probable here- about 15 to 20 minutes. Probably. Like I said, we've only been able to dedicate about 5 or 6 real days to it over the time span, so we can't make it the longest movie in the world.
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ben3308 wrote:

Probably- and this is totally probable here- about 15 to 20 minutes. Probably. Like I said, we've only been able to dedicate about 5 or 6 real days to it over the time span, so we can't make it the longest movie in the world.
I still think with the final editing done (by yours truly) it'll top 25 minutes, but it's still up in the air. Nothin lengthy like Daywalker, because, well, we just don't have the means, time, or money to do it on that scale.

But oh boy, it's a BIG scale we're on.
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How much did this whole thing cost you?
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atom wrote:



But oh boy, it's a BIG scale we're on.
Don't get cocky mate. razz
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er-no wrote:

atom wrote:



But oh boy, it's a BIG scale we're on.
Don't get cocky mate. razz
[/cocky sarcasm] Sounding like ben is easier than I thought. wink
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lisab8195 wrote:

How much did this whole thing cost you?
About 12 dollars, maybe? No, wait, we bought two jugs of water also.....so maybe a total of 16.49, about? Probably. About 7 bucks total on mascara, and other dollars for tape and PVC. Not too much.
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ben3308 wrote:

lisab8195 wrote:

How much did this whole thing cost you?
About 12 dollars, maybe? No, wait, we bought two jugs of water also.....so maybe a total of 16.49, about? Probably. About 7 bucks total on mascara, and other dollars for tape and PVC. Not too much.
Yeah, cut-up black dress suits, skating pads and 3 toilet paper rolls go a long way.
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Well, I'll admit, You spent more than I did on my last project. Impressive, young Benji. What exactly was the cut up dress suit for?
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Fisher's costume, what else? And it was more like a too-tight cobalt shirt with black drawstring yoga pants. And that's just for the sots where you see his body. Where you only see faces, we didn't bother with wardrobe. Like in the opening, Fisher's wearing blue jeans.

And technically, the water jugs counted as part of breakfast, which would've come with or without a production, so technically foods don't count towards production costs, so technically- and I'm just being technical here- we only spent around 8 bucks. This is all technically speaking, of course.
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so technically foods don't count towards production costs,
Hah, then in that case Daywalker ran us no more than 80$
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atom wrote:


Awesome, yeah, we've worked our butts off for this movie, even though it's fairly short. (about the length of K-text)
And I'd say this is a far cry from your average cinema submitted 5 minute effort FX test.
Hah! It will be gobbled up by the more than double that length American Idiots II. wink
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im gonna watch this! ben has a pretty good idea of lighting his scenes and man, from the screenshots it looks great. If it's too long it can get boring so the 20 min mark sounds nice, you've bigged this bad boy up, i hope its as good as the hype wink

plus im a huge splinter cell fan
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K-text was 20 minutes long, So in that case, I'm very interested in seeing this, As It sounds Quite ambitious, Plus, You guys seem like you know What works and what doesn't. Just as long as the diffuse glow isn't TOO heavy, I'll most likely Dig this.


(American idiots will "gobble" this up in length?....God help us..)
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atom wrote:

I hope ben won't mind if I put up some screens from the footage I'm editing right now.

Screens! (And they're green!)


The pic on the bottom left is "the sanctuary", where our evil villain resides. Muhahwhahahahah!
'

That's nice colour grading Atom, you guys are getting better.
Good luck! I look forward to this one.
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What the heck? You guys really seemed to have up the production level on this movie. Looks leaps and bounds better than any of your other stuff. Really looking forward to seeing this.
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ben3308 wrote:

The basics of it are that most of us have whiskers, they're just not prominent enough because they are light and thin. By adding clumpy mascara, you can accentuate both the weight and color of the "peach fuzz" on the skin, hence creating a simulated beard. That's the gist of it.
And I was expecting something alot more complicated. Anyway thanks for posting that. I think I'll give it a shot.
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this looks sweet man, stills looks cool. I never played the game but I can't imagine that ruining the movie for me.
now just make sure to live up to the hype you created. wink
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Could anyone who selected "No" substantiate it? I'd just like to know who voted that.
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What did you use to grade the footage?
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All I can say is wow, it looks awesome. I love Splinter Cell, and I can't wait to see this. Looks like you did an really good job with this, hope its as good as it looks.
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ben3308 wrote:

Could anyone who selected "No" substantiate it? I'd just like to know who voted that.
Respect other opinions. This film has quickly hyped up because of this thread, but it doesn't mean everyone will like your movie. It looks really great, but don't get too cocky. Don't think of it as an outrage because someone doesn't want to see your film. You probably want to defend your film because you asked for his name, but its his opinion.

But dont get me wrong, I am anticipating this film. What ever happened to Bear?
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Oh no, I can understand someone for not wanting to see the movie, I'd just like to know who. If I "no" in a poll, I'd at least put that I did, or why I did, for that matter.

As for grading, it was all done in Vegas Video and Video Explosion Deluxe. Read some of the grading threads on here, I've posted countless times about how to get a cool graded look.
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This is really cool to me to see aswell, becuase this was the same age when we made K-text, so its really cool to see someone make a Longer movie at that age. Thier Must be Somthing about the age of 16 that makes you want to take it up a notch and make a "Full Lenth" film (to us Amature film makers) and I Belive that you guys are better than when i was 16 so congrates! Also I cant wait to see you guys when your my age! lol good luck atom and ben!
-Aaron
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ssjaaron wrote:

This is really cool to me to see aswell, becuase this was the same age when we made K-text, so its really cool to see someone make a Longer movie at that age. Thier Must be Somthing about the age of 16 that makes you want to take it up a notch and make a "Full Lenth" film (to us Amature film makers) and I Belive that you guys are better than when i was 16 so congrates! Also I cant wait to see you guys when your my age! lol good luck atom and ben!
-Aaron
Not to gloat, but I'm 15, and American Idiots II is shaping up to be 40-55 minutes.

But anyway, this film is shaping up to be what looks like a quality production, but I must say that you can't exactly keep asking people why they wouldn't like something if they haven't seen it yet. People have their own opinions, and not all opinions require an explanation. You already have tons of people waiting to see this film, don't get greedy. wink
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Again, I just wanted to know WHO voted. I think it's a little rude to vote on something and then not even say that you did.
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ben3308 wrote:

Again, I just wanted to know WHO voted. I think it's a little rude to vote on something and then not even say that you did.
Calm down, Marrianne.
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evman101 wrote:

Not to gloat, but I'm 15, and American Idiots II is shaping up to be 40-55 minutes.
Wonderful.

Explain how that is relevant at all, and further explain the idea of not gloating.

I'm intrigued.
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ben3308 wrote:

Again, I just wanted to know WHO voted. I think it's a little rude to vote on something and then not even say that you did.
Heheheh, do you think it's meeeee???

If so I can say, no it's not, I think your movie looks great.
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Hah I cant imagine watching 40 minutes of American Idiots
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Marek wrote:

evman101 wrote:

Not to gloat, but I'm 15, and American Idiots II is shaping up to be 40-55 minutes.
Wonderful.

Explain how that is relevant at all, and further explain the idea of not gloating.

I'm intrigued.
It isn't at all relevant, it was sarcasm, and I'm just being a pompous asshole and trying to steal his thunder.

Actually I'm just kidding around.

But thats why I added the bit about being really excited about this movie, because it does look very well made, and its certainately shaping up to be nowhere near the original that it was "based" on, that was complete crap.
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sk8npirate wrote:

Hah I cant imagine watching 40 minutes of American Idiots
I can picture myself watching it loads of times, I loved the first one.
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At the current post on the movie/screenshots of your grading ratio everyone will have already seen your entire movie or atleast a storyboard of it by the time you release it...

Maybe that's why someone voted no, you can't appeal to everyone and no one needs to justify their opinion to you. Sometimes you've just got to accept that not everyone is impressed by a crayola moustache. wink

It's looking good, though its actual connection to splinter cell/sam fisher so far appears to only be skin deep (judging from the preview samples you put up) which loses it serious brownie points in my hardcore gamers film handbook though admittedly, I'll be giving it a watch just to see if you pulled it off.

-Hybrid.
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atom wrote:


Glad you guys remembered to mention me. wink

As well as editing and grading most of the film, my job thus far was as ben stated "the go-to guy". Getting ahold of the sets and getting the costumes and props, etc. where the needed to be and when aint' easy. Anywho, the movie will be out on the 30th, and will clock in about 20-25 minutes. (some may say it's too short, some may say too long, but whatever, the production value is what sells it! biggrin )
andrew!!!! stop lying!!! you haven't edited anything....you put in the titles...i know you want some credit but don't take credit for what i've done! your diggin a hole my friend!
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Chase, man, stop being like that. First off, who's to say atom hasn't been editing? And second off, I can guarantee you not a single person on here cares who did what, just lay off it and save the disputes for when we get home, not on the net. Come on, man, be the better man.
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Ben and Atom this looks great. The grading is really amazing and looks incredibly film like. I can't wait to see this one.
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Hey Ben, Atom, others...

First of all- the look is sweet! I hope it delivers, because it looks like there are some coiled snakes here getting ready to pounce!
Blow us away, boys.

Second. What lights/tricks did you use to attain the lighting in some of your screenshots? We've got 3 Lowel Totas over here in Toronto that are great... as patio lanterns. I've been thinking about upgrading our lighting kit (low budget). What kind are you using?

I just found out about this, looking forward to the final show.

But, drudging up something Hybrid said earlier... this does look like a pretty good looking project, and it would be a good idea to throw a webpage up for it, with all your lovely Splinter-threads here. That way, not only can you dominate Fxhome, but throw your flick out to other indie-film sites and see what a non-grading non-effects based audience thinks and feels. Just a thought!

Let me know if you want me to review it on www.superguncinema.com
god_of_wine007@hotmail.com
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Thanks for the kind words, Matt.

About a website, I've been working on one (slowly) since September, but with only Notepad and Paint it's been tough, especially because I've been so busy. I have the layout ready, the HTML just isn't all worked out yet.

About lighting, we use small worklights, clamplights, and cheap dome reflector lights whever we have 'em, otherwise we just throw upmy hugely awesome photoflex mini softlight and bounce that light off a whiteboard. Keep in mind there's also and awesome light source that everyone has, known as the sun, and that any white posterboard can help you with to use it to your advantage.

You mention patio lanterns- those sound cool. I'd suggest either purchasing a large silver dome to stick one in or making an aluminum foil cone around one to direct the light better. Really, if you have any freaking bright light all you need is some huge white posterboard or cardboard to divert and diffuse it to your liking, and you're set.

aaaand finally, I'd love it if you did a review of the movie on your site- once it's out, of course. Any good comments would be great to put on a possible DVD.

Altogether, thanks, and PEACE OUT.
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sooo...where is the movie? its 12/01/05
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It'll be up shortly, we're having some issues right now outside of the film.
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Just have to say that I love that grading. Can you give me any tips on how you did it? It looks amazing.

If you need any help with a website just let me know. Im trying to build up my portfolio at the moment so if you still need one just ask and ill see if i have time to make you one.

Chris
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Is it up yet? And where is it hosted?
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Not up yet. Just have faith, it'll arrive in due time.
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ben3308 wrote:

Not up yet. Just have faith, it'll arrive in due time.
Yes sir, captain sir!
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So....is this movie going to be finished?
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Bryce007 wrote:

So....is this movie going to be finished?
Yes, there are a few conflicts such as mid-term exams that are taking up time right now, be up soon.
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All of the actors are going to look so weird in this movie, because they'll be young in some scenes and old in other and everyone will think it's flashbacks, but it's really not, it just took so long to film that everyone grew up.
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I know what happened!

"The Theif" violated "The Friendship" he had with "The Bear" and stole the Splinter Cell Remake, but then Atom went on "The Odyssey" and "Found" it. Now they're just adjusting colors!
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Uh...atom had no part in Theif and the Bear, and little directorial emphasis in Found. But whatever, clever sentence.
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ben3308 wrote:

Uh...atom had no part in Theif and the Bear, and little directorial emphasis in Found. But whatever, clever sentence.
Right.

Some shots are still needed, as well as some major editing drafts and color grading. So, for now, we play the waiting game that we all know FXHome is so good at.

Waiting.....December.
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The deadly release date curse strikes fxhome again...
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So anything new on the production? any movie clips we can see?
anyway fxhomers can help?
good luck hope to see it soon.
-Aaron
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I had a procedure when I found out Macbeth 3000 wouldn't be out for Christmas...If Macbeth 3000 comes out before Spinter Cell, I'll have a another one, LOL.
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ssjaaron wrote:

So anything new on the production? any movie clips we can see?
A couple new side scenes are complete and ready to go, it's just that about 2 or 3 scenes containing a little of the meat of the story we have yet to find good locations for. I could put up a clip or two, but seeing as I've already hyped this up enough, if I keep releasing bits and pieces there'll be no movie left and I will be shamed by the community. So I'm tihnking the next SC video that'll be seen will be the full movie.

On another note, heeding Hybrid's advice, I've got the HTML prepped and ready for a SC:PY site, I just can't get this god-forsaken image fader javascript to work, I just keep gettin a grey box with an X in it. Darnit!
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Damn so wait, not even all filming is done? By what the banner said I fig that you were just swamped w/ editing. I'm guessin its gonna be a while then..
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Rating: +3

Atom and Ben, if you two weren't so concerned with arguing over who had anything to do with what, this movie would be out already.
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I really don't think anybody is arguing, its just we all have SCHOOL, and near the end of production we decided to lengthen the script quite abit, and that required a few more scenes to bulk-up the story. Because of this, it's being delayed.
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Less than a week, my friends. Less than a week.
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Damn man...I cant wait !!!

I am leaving on thursday..so please finish it until then..PLEASSSEEEEEEEE !!! Who cares about school wink

Anyways, the pic looks awesome...

cheers,
d.
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This Thursday? We'll sure try.
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i can't wait, looks like you have done a great job. If it's rubbish, you will be forever flamed, so here's hoping for your sake.
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ashman69erdude wrote:

i can't wait, looks like you have done a great job. If it's rubbish, you will be forever flamed, so here's hoping for your sake.
Nah, I am SURE this will be awesome !!! Cant wait ! Anyways, yes THIS thursday biggrin Hope you will make it till then.

Cheers,
d.
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Regretfully, you guys, our parents have officially condemned this project, and as we live in their house we've gotta abide by their rules. This isn't to say we won't get it done, but there may be delays. Maybe, details are sketchy at this point.
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Haha. You guys should really just release what you have finished (which, I'm guessing is whatever you've shown us in the trailer) and put "scene missing" for the stuff you didn't shoot.
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It wouldn't make sense, though, you'd miss some key parts of the story.javascript:buttonClick(1);
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Well, I guess you should have filmed them.
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What do you mean by your parents condemned the project. They didn't like it and told you to stop making it?
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This is the biggest pile of BS I have heard all... ever. Can we change our vote in this topic to "no"? They made you stop your hobby? Was fiddling away at the computer too much for them? This is some funny stuff.

"R
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that made my day."
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And here we have before us the inevitable and hilarious truth that you shouldn't hype your film until you are finished shooting.

Exactly what Serpent said basically.
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Wow.... clap who could have seen this coming?
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Atom-I can totally relate!

I remember my parents condemned me for breathing too much for their liking.


If I got through that, you can get through this. smile
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This threads title now has a whole new meaning I guess. Production does indeed wind down, so much so infact that it totally stops.

Personally, I think there's more to this story. Perhaps you finished it but you don't want to release it because it doesn't live up to the hype you created or perhaps the project being condemned is merely a side effect of some other devious act you are now being punished for. wink

Either way, it's unfortunate. I still await with my razor-toothed jaws agape for this movie to put a foot into the water a.k.a. the fxhome cinema. wink

-Hybrid.
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Here's the deal. To film it, my friend from out of town who is IN it has had to stay at our house for days on end. We had to borrow things fr props from the neighbors, andmy parents didn't agree. We filmed a scene where we ruined my dad's coat, and my mom detests guns.

So basically, today, my mom said "no more Splinter Cell"

I'm not lying here. Here we were on the verge of completing it, literally a day away, and it gets shut down.

I guess none of y'all understand or have had a similar predicament before, and I find it rather rude and abrasive to call it BS when my parents have basically dogged the project I've poured my time and money into.

Jeesh.
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ben3308 wrote:

I'm not lying here. Here we were on the verge of completing it, literally a day away, and it gets shut down.
If you were "literally" a day away from finishing, then release what you have. You've been "working" on it for months and months, and hyping it to no end, one day couldn't POSSIBLY add that much to this movie.

And with one day remaining, call me a skeptic that your parents wouldn't allow you to finish. In fact... call me a skeptic that you had one day remaining.

Saying "production winds down" over a month ago, and then not having enough of a movie to make sense when viewed is ridiculous.
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Does everyone do what their rents tell'm to do anyways...? They didnt take your camera did they?
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I suppose ruining your dads jacket wasn't a great idea, But "Detesting guns", "Borrowing things from the neighbors" and having a friend stay at your house Are crap reasons for them to "shut you down"..I mean, Maybe if you were causing trouble or dealing crack, But filmmaking? you're parents would have to be real fun nazi's to 100% NOT allow you to make you're own movie. Really. I say, just Do it.
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agreed
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Alright,

Excuse me for even attempting to stand up for the things I’m about to say. I know that none of you know who I am, and that none of you will take my word on this because, I am only a "new user" on this site and this is my first post, but allow me to say the following:

The two guys you know as Ben and Andrew, that are behind the production of this “Splinter Cell” Project have been working with every second of their free time to finish this product. Story boards, re-writes, exhausting discussions about how the style of each scene has to be altered to stay true to the emotion being portrayed in each scene. These guys have strived to make this more then a typical effects test, or even a remake. They are trying to turn this in to something that will do justice to the game that many love, to the BEST of our 15-17 year old crew's ability. Much like many people on this site, these two guys have parents and these parents have rules.

Seeing this all from my point of view, let me tell you, these guys are fighting to continue production at all costs. I will be the first to say that if this continues it'll mean that these guys will be in the dog house for every second of every hour we spend filming, editing, acting, yelling, every second of it they will be in Hell, just so you may see this video.

So I would deeply appreciate it if you guys could please not applaud and laugh at the fact that these two are in a huge disposition to the fact that they have "parents". For those of you who don’t live with their folks any more, try and think back to when you were living with your rents, when they said no, You can kick, scream, yell and rebel, but in the end when its all done your still in a sh*t hole.

And yet, they will fight to continue this because everything we have filmed thus far is great. Every thing thus far was worth every petty argument we've had. Please do not laugh and applaud at our current status.

Instead I ask that you please be supportive of that fact that this film, is still the film that all of you were excited about, this is still the film that we have busted our ass on to attempt to make it, what we believe is our, BEST WORK YET.

As to what Andrew said earlier about us being a day away from finishing, the shot that we need to shoot is the very last scene of this movie. If we were to release what have at this point it would be a film with no end.

I don’t know about you but movies with out ends tend to not be received well. Especially films that have been hyped as much as this film has been. And because we are so close to finishing and so close to the goal line, it would be a waste of both our time and yours to release this with out an end, and because of this I am going to do everything in MY power to push this thing along.

I thank every person who has said they wanted to see this film, and if you truly wanted to see this 3 days ago, a little more time wont be too much to ask.

We are all running on fumes, and all of you who are so smug towards fellow film makers, shows how quick you are to cut another down, when their already on their knee's. So if you feel that us being desperate is amusing, you need to take a moment and really think about what an amazingly rude statement you are making. I am not on this site to make friends, I’m not on this site to make pals, I am here only to defend that these guys care greatly about the art of film making, and every step it takes to do so.

So I am asking those who laugh to not laugh, and for those who have waited to wait a little longer, please do not turn your back on these guys when their already down. This will get done

Thank you for your time

Brian
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A little Dramatic there mate. "On they're knee's"? hehe..That's sounds pretty ridiculous to me. No one was "Cutting them down" or laughing at they're current "Desperation"...

Here's a brilliant Idea.

Release the first HALF of the movie and end the section on a cliffhanger or thereabouts.

Then, You have plenty of time to film the last shots and finish any last minute editing neccessary.

Then, When you have it ready (which shouldn't be very long with just ONE scene to film) Just release the Second half of the film.

Simple eh?
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Whens it released?
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Damn, I cant stop laughing. and I thought my mama was weird, but your mama is whack mate. 1 DAY ??? Just finish the bloody project.
Sure it will be fine. Or atleast make another trailer...or something...you hyped up the project (brilliant propaganda by the way)...you cant stop it all now....

cheers,
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Bryce007 wrote:

Release the first HALF of the movie and end the section on a cliffhanger or thereabouts
I don't think they even have the first half filmed.
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This kind of animosity is uncalled for. I thought people on this site weren't as callous as this, I guess I was wrong.

You know what? The movie will come out when it's done, and that's that.
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mmm, after that Brain guy had his rant on about the project i think this is going to far, it's obvious to me its either ben or andrew logging in and pretending to be this guy and if not well it seems like it. I mean honestly talk about going over the top in trying to defend yourself, it's a cheap trick and any one who would sign in and say all that would not refer to people by there first names. Fair enough it's done when its done but don't get friends or yourselves to pretend that this knight in white shining armour aka Brian to defend you. I admire that you have this ballsy attitude to stick to your guns and give your opinions but this is obvious to me its not what it seems. I never knew atoms name was andrew, and Brian who's been on the site for 5 min seems to know everything about your project and more, must live on the same street maybe. Its a small world but not that small.

P.s. i really can't wait to see ya film, i eagerly wait for its release.
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brianh88 wrote:


Buncha stuff
Okay, Rick McCallum.


ben3308 wrote:

This kind of animosity is uncalled for. I thought people on this site weren't as callous as this, I guess I was wrong.

You know what? The movie will come out when it's done, and that's that.
Then don't tell us it'll be out on a specific day then change it numerous times. If anything, that's rude to us.

Guess what guys, the world isn't fair. People aren't nice, quit acting like a 4 year old and get over it.

This inability to finish a project which is so anticipated and so hyped is a major let down, and is actually very funny, because you could be the best filmmakers the world has ever seen (you certainately make yourselves out to be sometimes), and no one will EVER know it, because as of yet you have really been unable to finish any project which you have hyped to no end... which have all seemed promising.

Even though the film looks good, that is not merely enough. You also must release it when you say you will, or your respect will diminish quicker than if you have a few problems with your movie. You guys are gaining a reputation around here for never finishing anything... this has just solidified it, and it seems to me that its going to be even harder now for anyone to take you seriously. I hope you've learned your lesson... Then again... I thought you learned it a while ago.
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ben3308 wrote:

This kind of animosity is uncalled for.
This is hardly animosity. You guys hyped your movie as if it were the second coming of Jesus, and failed to deliver. This is what's known as a backlash. And as evman said, unless you guys suddenly turn your history around and come out with something that you've hyped, get used to it.
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ashman69erdude wrote:

mmm, after that Brain guy had his rant on about the project i think this is going to far, it's obvious to me its either ben or andrew logging in and pretending to be this guy and if not well it seems like it. I mean honestly talk about going over the top in trying to defend yourself, it's a cheap trick and any one who would sign in and say all that would not refer to people by there first names. Fair enough it's done when its done but don't get friends or yourselves to pretend that this knight in white shining armour aka Brian to defend you. I admire that you have this ballsy attitude to stick to your guns and give your opinions but this is obvious to me its not what it seems. I never knew atoms name was andrew, and Brian who's been on the site for 5 min seems to know everything about your project and more, must live on the same street maybe. Its a small world but not that small.

P.s. i really can't wait to see ya film, i eagerly wait for its release.
My name really is brian, im the gunman/ badguy in this film, youve seen me in all the screen shots.

I just want people to stop being so mean to my co-workers and friends. Forgive me if i came off a bit evangilistic* last night but we've have had more parental issues through out this film then any film weve made thus far, were all kinda in trouble for making it, cause its abosorbed so much of our time. So again to clairify im not "ben" or "andrew" posing an alias, my name is Brian Hunt im an actor in quite a few of the atomic productions films so ive known about this site(fxhome) and all of you guys for about 3 years now i just havent signed on yet because ive had no reason to.

As for our "second coming of Jesus"... "Jesus" backed out of production at the last minute because even HIS dad had some issues with the material at hand. smile.

Just wanted to make sure every one understands that I'm a real person, you can find me in alot of atomics films. So that should explain how i know every aspect of this film.

Also things seem to have steamed down quite a bit from yesterdays fight-o-parents, as you all know parents some time need to blow off some steam. So im highly optimistic about the finishing of this film. I assure this film will be made.
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I must speak again... I am going to second Bryce's(?) idea about releasing part 1. Surely the filler stuff wasn't in part one. Do you literally mean 1 day left like you said? Reason with your mom or get it done in secret, this is the biggest BS on FXHome and you've released nothing since you have "changed" (assuming you did...) My respect for you guys went down, I actually had hopes. (Pft, lol)
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How about next time you make a film, don't tell us.

That way, you don't have to worry about "letting us down".
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Cool.....I think I am a prophet. I remember saying after I read your first post that with all this hype your film better live up to the expectations. However, it utterly failed. You may have great talent, but you guys seem like a joke and pitifully unprofessional because you failed to put out your film to the public when expected. The public that salivated over your fim because of the hype. Granted, it does not matter when you submit your movie because its your project, but you guys presented it to the forums. That was your biggest mistake!
If only you had waited and glorified it after it was finsihed!

Also, dont bring your friend "Brianh" into this ordeal to make us sympathize you. Its ridiculous. My only suggestion is for you guys to run away from home.

What a pity........
merry christmas
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How about all you people that are giving them a hard time about it just get over it. Keep your shirts on poeple. How many of you have missed a deadline? Heck Effects Lab was delayed quite along time and yet you guys were all supportive and encouraging. Ben and Atom have made it clear that the reason this film was delayed was because of an issue OUTSIDE of their control. Do you guys understand what that means? Atom and Ben, I still eagerly await the arrival of this film and support you guys in your work.




P.S. Dont release the first half of the film because that would really not be as enjoyable and would probebly ruin poeple's perception of the final poject.
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The crew brought it upon themselves.
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TheRenegade wrote:

Heck Effects Lab was delayed quite along time and yet you guys were all supportive and encouraging.
Yeah and why didn't Atom and Ben learn from that? We were supportive and encouraging because we were getting a great effects program out of it. There's no denying that Ben and Atom have a history here on fxhome that was somewhat unpleasant at times. Old prejudices die hard, and they're not aided along by another entry into the list of things they haven't completed.

As for the parents thing, screw it, just film the last scene and be done. If you really were as devoted to your project as say BrianH says, then you would have done that already.
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lisab8195 wrote:

The crew brought it upon themselves.
I fail to see how they did this. They seemingly could not have anticipated the events that have taken place. They hyped up the a movie that they had every intention of finishing in the time thet had alotted themselves. How could they have brought it on themselves?
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TheRenegade wrote:

they had every intention of finishing in the time thet had alotted themselves.
Yeah thats why they told us it'd be out this week... QUITE a while after November 30th.

I'm sorry the movie didn't get finished... but seriously - DO NOT HYPE YOUR FILM unless you are at least finished shooting.
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lisab8195 wrote:



Also, dont bring your friend "Brianh" into this ordeal to make us sympathize you.
Screw your sypathy i dont need it or want it. We missed a deadline,its our product, So did more then 70% of films on Fxhome.com. Mcbeth 3000 or whatever hit way off its mark. Were not asking for your snide comments or your cheeky remarks. The fact is we are shooting very high visualy on this film. And our standards have been raised.

This film also does not take place in our houses or down the street at a park, like a film i witnessed today. It takes place in locations that fit and justify every single shot of this film.

So our only fault is we made you excited about a film that will kick ass. Because we want it on target and we want to finish it we fell behind a deadline. This will be justified when you see the final product.

Granted a member of our crew took on himself to do somethings with publicity that i dont quite agree with, This is still our best work, and this still will be a film that im hoping you will enjoy.

lisab:
Cool.....I think I am a prophet. I remember saying after I read your first post that with all this hype your film better live up to the expectations. However, it utterly failed.

WOW. We didnt utterly fail you moron. Congrats on simply doing nothing more then jumping on board with "the kick you in the nuts" train. Lisab i couldnt tell over your profile but have you even submited a film? And if you in fact have, did you fall behind a set goal date.

Aculag, I agree that Ben should not have put a finish date on product still in the works, believe me Ben learning that lesson right now as we speak. This will be remembered in upcoming projects. Never the less he is the director of this project and when this film becomes everything it was said to be, keep in mind that it was his vision that got us to the end.

This is very simple to all of you who dont seem to be receptive, the film has been delayed. It will be released, im not asking for anyone to pat us on the back about falling behind, im just asking that the sinical remarks come to a hault, cause you arent here so you dont know the problems at hand. Take this into consideration

thanks
Brian
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I would just like to say brianh88, you need to calm down, have a cup of tea, and relax. Keep in mind this is the internet and people enjoy having fun at others expense. I know I do.

This would have been my plan of action after parental involvement 'shut the project down'. I would have stopped posting, I would not have defended your position at all and worked on a way to finish the movie, that way people would be surprised when it came out. When you promise people free entertainment and then say, "Opps sorry I can't give it to you" people tend to forget the free part and start thinking that piece of cinema was there right. It's not fair but that how it works. Every time I made a film and gave people a concrete deadline I met it (and I have never hyped a movie of mine on these boards) and I never gave anyone a deadline for my good film (see sig) so I have a hard time feeling sorry for you.

If you finish this movie I'll watch it, the screens I have seen look great and even though I've always though Splinter Cell was a game that wished it was as awesome as Thief I would really like to see it.
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lol sorry. I got the tea, im good. I completly agree with you, but unfortunatly andrew felt the need to release that information about a slight set back, and because of this people started ragging on my good friend. That just doesnt fly, he takes it too personally. Thank you for liking thief btw, I really enjoyed making that project. Have a good day
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I have posted a film, called The Plumber.
http://video.mpegnation.com/a001317408013103105173653487.html

*Dont clutter this post with a review of it*

Actually I did miss the dealine for the Hauntfest Film Festival on this site. HOWEVER, it could easily slide because nobody cared about my film because it wasn't hyped up like yours. But even with this arguement you continue to hype up the film.

I am getting tired of reiterrating my issue, and I am sure you are too, so good luck in getting this "masterpiece" done.
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Thank you, yes i am getting a little tired of defending my friends, I appreciate your honesty btw of being able to admit missing a deadline. I just dont want people to be so quick to cut others down. And we will continue this "masterpiece" as you call it. Thanks, good look on future films btw, i wish you the best of luck, and i also enjoyed your film.
Brian
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TheRenegade wrote:

Heck Effects Lab was delayed quite along time and yet you guys were all supportive and encouraging.
That is not true at all. People complained just as much about the fact that EL was delayed. And do you know what the team did about it? Released their new software without mentioning it to the forums beforehand, so it was a surprise. Yeah there was the big chat, but that was what? A week before the software was released? They learned from their mistake.

This time, I think Atom and Ben will learn from their mistake, but then again... they may not.
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And they didn't last time I saw a coming soon in their sig.
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SlothPaladin wrote:

If you finish this movie I'll watch it, the screens I have seen look great and even though I've always though Splinter Cell was a game that wished it was as awesome as Thief I would really like to see it.
You saw Thief? Oh well, thanks for the compliments, me and Brian worked on that together, he directed, I shot.

As for everyone else, I realize now that it was an extremely bad idea to hype my film and I'm sorry I've dissappointed. Oh, and I hope atom doesn't submit something right as I do and ruin everything.
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ben3308 wrote:

I hope atom doesn't submit something right as I do and ruin everything.
Bing.

First off, for the few, and the (some) mislead, thank you for your past or continuing support in the project. My birthday is next week, and I'm going to try and film/edit (that's right.......I'm not allowed to edit) SC. Brian is the fellow playing "GUNMAN" in SC, and a great friend and crew member. No, I did nor Ben persuaded him in any way to talk. Heck, I've only known him a year and don't even know his phone number (true) His comments are his own, and shouldnt seem like some sort of guard for myself and Ben. Other than that, I've tried and am trying right now.

I really thought some of you might understand. Instead, all I hear is people talking like doo-doo-heads. People I considered my friends, and who I have explained every facet and setback of the project to already.




You know who you are.
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Well, All I can say is Grow a pair, It really doesn't matter at all what we say. I mean, If i was submitting a film realllly late and people started talking poo-poo about it, I would laugh and be like "Ok, Well, Who really cares?" Its the friggin internet, Not a Huge panel of people judging you're every move. Best advice?

Don't care. None of our opinions really matter anyways.
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I'm sorry there seems to be some confusion, I was saying I am not a fan of the Splinter Cell games becouse I always felt they wished they could be as awesome as the Thief games. Sorry I have not seen your Thief movie, but this Splinter Cell film does look like it will be worth watching if/once you finish it.
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I haven't had time to go through this entire thread, but I'm a little perplexed by the hostility on the last few pages.

An over-hyped film missed its release strategy - so what? Have patience people! You haven't paid anything to see this film at a specific time and date, and if waiting a little longer ensures a quality product, then I see no problem.

Looking forward to seeing the movie when it's done.
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Good luck with the completion smile

You did commit Fxhome suicide by naming a precise release date and then not delivering, but let's move on. It is irritating to have anticipation unquenched, because you guys have had a lot of people's attention on this and we haven't had anything in return. This is not to belittle your efforts, but from other people's perspectives they have no way of knowing how much or little effort has gone into your film.

But at the end of the day, c'est la vie, delays do happen and hopefully we can see it sometime if luck prevails smile
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Tarn wrote:

and if waiting a little longer ensures a quality product, then I see no problem.
But Tarn, given their past history, more waiting will result in no product at all. Remember "The Friendship"? They hyped that one to no end as well, and then got their friends to come in and back them up when it wasn't getting done, and it never did.

I honestly don't see any "hostility" in here, just people who are not surprised at all about this, and expressing that.
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The thing is on "The Friendship" we had some cocept footage which we made dozens of trailers from and never followed through. We still plan to film that, though.

With this project, we've got almost every scene save one or two done, so I absolutely know that something will be released. Honestly, I wouldn'twork this long o a project to not show it to anyone, that'd just be stupid.
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ben3308 wrote:

With this project, we've got almost every scene save one or two done, so I absolutely know that something will be released.
I don't understand why you can't cut together something that works a little if you only have one or two scenes left to film. Are they really important scenes, or do you just want it to be 100% complete? If you're not allowed to shoot anymore, and there's only a couple of scenes missing, what's the trouble?
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Aculag wrote:

ben3308 wrote:

With this project, we've got almost every scene save one or two done, so I absolutely know that something will be released.
I don't understand why you can't cut together something that works a little if you only have one or two scenes left to film. Are they really important scenes, or do you just want it to be 100% complete? If you're not allowed to shoot anymore, and there's only a couple of scenes missing, what's the trouble?
A little bit of both, really. We're missing one scene that would not only progress the story but explain the shifts in one character's attitudes. It IS possible to cut out, but then he'd come off as bipolar or something. I also woul like to release a 100% complete version rather than in staves. I mean, if I released part 1 and never 2 for a long time, wouldn't that be just as bad as the hype I've created?

Also, I think my whole crew has put alot into makig this a success and releasing an uncomplete version wouldn't do it justice at all. Not that it'd be any miraculous difference to the FXHome community, but it'd make a difference to us.
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hello everyone... i'm the editor and actor (sam fisher) in this film. i believe this project will get finished in time, but i would agree that it was hyped up a bit too much, for this topic started only after maybe 1 and a half or two scenes completed. I can tell you that I have a hectict schedule to keep up with because i'm a busy musician with lots of performances...and it'll only get harder to film this comming season because i will be in 2 shows simultaneously. So you guys may want to forget about this project for a month or so because as far as my schedule goes, i'm gonna be booked for a while. If you are to blame anyone for this project not being completed...blame the actors! I have been so busy lately with my music that whenever ben or andrew call to film, which they have multiple times, i have had to cancel. They created the hype because we had it all lined up to film all of it but getting brian to take the train to come down for a weekend and for them to use my equipment when i'm not there, it's often times very hard to accomplish anything. well i didn't mean to type for so long and i apologize that this hype was even started...we shall finish but don't ask for a date because we don't know yet. anyways

keep on keeping on
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jesus who gives u all this money for ur stuff
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It cost us about 16 bucks, man, did you not read the thread? As for the camera, chase purchased it all on eBay with money he'd earned. We honestly don't have very much money as far as this project goes. We just know what we need to get the shots we need.
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the godfather wrote:

jesus who gives u all this money for ur stuff
They used some toilet paper rolls for the goggles and clothes for the costume, it really didn't cost much, they are just creative. But lazy. wink
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I'm glad, for your sake Serpent, that you put in a smiley as an afternote. Very glad indeed. wink
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hey guys. its a shame you still havent managed to finish this movie. cant wait any longer. i am a very anxious person. I hope you fellows will finish it quickly. Keep it up guys, I am sure it will be wonderful.

and just a minor thing to include. I am thinking of filming -angels and demons-(Dan Brown) but based in austria, as we have great cathedrals, churches etc..etc... soooo...I hope I will have the same support for my project. yet, I am not gonna give a specific date, it almost killed you blokes hehe wink

anyways, have lots of fun completing it. hope it will come out soon.

cheers,
d.
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As Chase mentioned, we put it on hold. Right now there's nothing going on towards completing it as we're all too busy. In retrospect, it hasn't taken a long time to complete, nor have we spent that much time (labor-wise) on it; we've just been constantly held up by other things.

Oh well, god luck on your Angels and Demons movie, though I hope you have the means to get people to play the Preferiti and Vittoria. Again, good luck.
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hehe dont worry about hot chicks in my movies. Got that *gg*. It seems to me there might be some rivalry between me and CX3 when it comes to, who can have the hottest girl in their movie biggrin

joke (haha sad)

Anyways, there is still alot of thinking to do, how Exactly to go about with this project. I just had the whole movie in front of my eyes, when I read the book.

Anyways, I hope it will work out.

Cheers,
d.
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Well, good luck with finishing your project Atom and Ben.

"Parental issues" are a bad thing to happen to a filmproject. But I guess it's difficult to get around that, even though it sounds pretty odd to me. Could be though because I never experienced my parents stopping any of my filming efforts (And if they had, I would have continued anyways).

So anyways, I hope you find a way around the "parental issues" or you can persuade your parents that it's not a good thing to supress creativity.
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More joking than serious here, but
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...still coming.....

oh, and thanks ssjaaron.
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Right when I was about to put up a serious trailer.......Ahhh.....thanks Ben.
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Well, the footage so far, looks great !!!

The only thing I disliked liked was the "MAYBE" wink

PLEASE BRING IT OUT SOON !!!

Cheers,
d.
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If I may ask, how exactly did you go about with the color grading etc... looks really great. PM me please... biggrin

thx, cheers,
d.
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That is the most asked question. I do some basic contrast tweaks, lower saturation, add light glow with extremely light spread, and change the color balance. I've helped people out with grading alot here, in fact if you checked my inbox now at least half of the received messages are regarding SC's grading.

Click Here

Click Again.

One More Click.


You might have to scroll a little, but my posts on how I do grading and tips for such are the ones denoted with 2 or 3 plus ones. Hopefully that should help.
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Cool grading. Very similar to the one we use in NightCast. wink

I especially like these particles in the air in one shot. Looks neat.
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Rating: +1

You speaking of the rain shot? Sadly, I dunno if that scene will make it, it just doesn't seem to 'fit' with the rest of the movie.

Oh, and in case anybody was wondering, that's real water, not digital. We used my neighbors hose and sprayer. In my opinion, if you have the means to do something practical rather than CG, it is always better.

Funny thing, actually. To of course keep consistency, we have to have the actors wear the same clothes in many of the scenes (with a few exceptions). So in the winter when we filmed the rain (around midnight), it was about 50 degrees outside, plus water and windchill, which made our actor, Brian, not happy at all. For those of you that saw the opening, we filmed IT in the summer, when the temperature was around 106 degrees fahrenheit, and Brian, again, is forced to wear an undershirt, sweatshirt, jacket, ski cap, and gloves. He was in one hell of a sauna that day, I tell you.
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Haha, if he meant rain i think he would have said rain.. not particles hah. He means the shot when youre in the chair and the dust is floating around. And I agree, that shot does look awesome. I hope that stays in the final.
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CX3 wrote:

Haha, if he meant rain i think he would have said rain.. not particles hah. He means the shot when youre in the chair and the dust is floating around. And I agree, that shot does look awesome. I hope that stays in the final.
Oh, right. Well, the particles are all real flakes and dust of the old warehouse we filmed the interrogation scene in. It was a huge 4-story building that was falling completely apart. Very cool. One of those places you just wish you could film something in.
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Hey, I know this doesnt suit to this subject...but i still want ya'all to have a look at this...

BEFORE FOOTAGE


AFTER FOOTAGE


cheers,
d.
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Looks good, I especially like how well that light whutewash effect works with the blue tones. I'm a little curious as to what you did with the aspect ratio. Did you go from 1.85:1 to 16:9 or something?
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Actually I just made the black bars with photoshop.
But thats pretty much the aspect ratio I am going to keep for my upcoming film.
I put pieces of paper on the lcd screen of my cam, so that I know, what exactly is going to be in the picture.


I cant really find that "glow" effect you were talking about. I use Premiere Pro, so maybe thats the reason, or maybe because I have a german version, I cant really find the translated word/term.

Cheers,
d.
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The glow filter SHOULD be in Premiere, at least it's in my version (American Pro 1.5).

It's also called a whitewash, I've also seen some odd programs call it an alpha wash. Similar to how contrast accentuates blacks, IT accentuates whites. In your after image, some of this accentuation is noticeable, so you must've done something along the lines of what I suggested.

Still looks awesome, man! Is that DOF real? Or added in post? If so, what camera do you use? Do you have a 35mm adapter?
Posted: Mon, 30th Jan 2006, 2:08pm

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Hey man,
yeah maybe I did use a sort of whitewash.

The DOF wasnt added in post. I have a normal digi camcorder. Sony DCR TRV 17E. Not a great cam, but it does the job, if you use it properly.
My trick, in order to achieve the best DOF with a digi cam, is to place the cam further away and to zoom in on to the object. If you are filming inside and you have lights shining on the object, use the white balance preset OUTDOORS, instead of INDOORS. The INDOORS option just makes everything blue, and DOF cannot be done easily.

Cheers,
d.
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That's interesting information, though I have a few comments.

Standing back and zooming in changes perspective, not DOF. It in no way helps to blur the background, it just changes the angle at which you vie the background.

White balance balances the color white to be true, I doubt this affects depth or distortion blur-wise.

Even though your method appears to be flawed, I'm gonna give it a try, because you clearly have a product which proves it works. I can save custom white balance presets, so I may do a few tests.
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Actually the method devilskater mentioned for shallower DOF does work to an extent. As a matter of fact http://fxhome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=20251&highlight=35mm
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Actually, as I'm sure you've noticed in that very thread, that method of manipulating the DoF was dismissed as being untrue.

The 'Back-n-Zoom' method changes perception, not DoF.
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Well Atom, thats how I achieved it, by standing a bit further and zooming in...ofcourse with manual focus on..etc..etc...

so there has to be something to it...

cheers,
d.
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You tihnk you're changing DOF, but you're not, you're merely changing the perspective at which you view the background. There was this huge argument here with Arktic a bit ago, can't believe you missed that.

THing is, it LOOKS like better DOF when you zoom in, but it isn't it just looks DIFFERENT.
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Sorry oh well it still looks a little better like that.
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Hmm...no I didnt read that thread about DOF. Was away over the holidays, so I might have missed it.

Anyways thx for enlighting me. DOF just happened by coincidence I guess then. Dunno, how I did it, but thats how I have always done it up till now.

Ill have a short "Title Sequence test up" for Angels & Demons.

just wanted you guys to know, so that you can then comment on it biggrin would be cool.

peace out, cheers,
d.
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How soon is "Soon"?
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Yeah, I'm wondering too...
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He posted that "Soon" on the 5th of February. So not that soon...
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?




Was that not posted a month ago? Jeesh ernie, look for the details. wink I think Ben was just pulling another tease, as is his doom on most ALL of our movies. Sorry, perhaps you'll see something soon. Perhaps. Not anything concrete, as is stated by the obvious tiny font size
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....

*sneaks into the darkness with his post*
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uv read the book right?
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the godfather wrote:

uv read the book right?
No, actually, we haven't. We just liked the idea of having the main character in a movie as a badass dude with a 5 o'clock shadow, a biting sarcastic wit and cool-as-all-get-out goggles.

And as far as this movie goes, we've postponed it just to get other stuff in life done first. WE last weekend did theDallas 24 Hour Video Race, of which we placed as finalists and await the final judging; so you may be seeing that film on here soon.

I find it peculiar that you chose to ressurect this topic, it seems at a rather odd and inopportune moment. Why not just message me or Atom? Or something similar, like IM?
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hey u got the message so thats really not a problem, ur film can still be resurrected i guess
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