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Posted: Thu, 17th Nov 2005, 5:20pm

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I'm starting to get fed up with the word now.

Why is the whole World getting sucked in to his hype?

It's supposedly "superior" to the highest range PCs on the market; lets say a 2X7800GTX SLI setup with 2GB ram (approx £2000)

Yet, after playing on one in a high street retailer, I personally thought it was awful. No visible AA, and COD2 looked horrible compared to the PC version. Games were also laggy and slow, and a controler simply doesn't make a good Keyboard/Mouse substitue for FPS games. I'm not the only one though, many other people agree with me, including IGN who have only been rewarding 'good' scores for the Xbox 360 releases.

Also, for those who say the price is really good value, please remember that the games RRP is £40-£50 each. You can pick most PC games up for £17.99 brand new from Play.COM

So what's the fuss about? I'm not really a console gamer, bar football/sport games for when my mates are round. So anyway, I'll give this one a miss and hope the PS3 can do better.

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Posted: Thu, 17th Nov 2005, 5:22pm

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by the way, I've played it, and I wasn't really impressed at all.
Posted: Thu, 17th Nov 2005, 5:34pm

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Consoles are always overhyped.

All developers have said that due to the complexity of these new machines and the lead times they've had that it'll be well over a year after the consoles are released that the impressive games start to appear.

The extra 10-20% speed the PS3 seemed to have against the Xbox360 will probably count for very little and the release games will probably be fairly standard looking.

Wait a year and the games and graphics will look more impressive... but regular PC graphics hardware will probably be moving ahead of consoles again by then.
Posted: Thu, 17th Nov 2005, 5:46pm

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And honestly? I'm really struggling for reasons as to why anybody would actually want an Xbox360? They looks pretty naff, the power will be superseeded in no time and its basically a rather expensive console trying to be a PC, but without the usability or functionality of a PC.

Makes no sense. Utter perplexing.
Posted: Thu, 17th Nov 2005, 5:50pm

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I agree. Microsoft have never really got the idea of style tbh. It looks hideous. There's not a chance in hell it'll compliment those next-gen slick n' sexy Plasma and LCD TVs.
Posted: Thu, 17th Nov 2005, 5:51pm

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The best thing (and in my personal opinion, the only good thing) about Xbox is the online features and usability provided by Xbox live. As default, every single user has a microphone which essentially means you can talk to or taunt someone you're playing with or against at any available opportunity.

If only the PC had this capability, ingame mic chat on PC games is normally sub par without a extra program running. Then I could really grill some people when I play my games.

What's been said in this thread already is largely true, the PC gaming market is and always will be the gaming frontier due to the easily upgradable platform. However, this does come at a price. Upgrading isn't cheap afterall wink

-Hybrid.
Posted: Thu, 17th Nov 2005, 6:02pm

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It's performance isn't that great. At first glance, the processor is a triple core, 3.2 GHz PowerPC 970 (G5). Each core has something of it's own "hyperthreading," so it actually has six execution threads. When first looked at, you wonder how will they ever fit a liquid cooling system in a console?

...Well.... they're not.

The G5 so many here have come to know and love is a 5-issue processor, meaning it can execute (theoretically) five instructions per clock-cycle (2.5 GHz = 2.5 billion clock cycles). The processor in the Xbox 360 is a 2-issue processor. Ouch. It's still potent, but it's not the kick-ass thing everyone was coming to expect.

As for the graphics processing unit, this was developed by ATI. During a demonstration by ATI at one of the Xbox 360 expos... they ran this demo. That demo runs fine on my computer, which hinted me to believe that the Xbox 360's graphics core was based on similar architecture to my very own X800 XL. Suspicions were confirmed later on when this Anandtech article stated:

Anandtech: Inside Microsoft's Xbox 360 wrote:

We roughly estimated the shader processing power of the Xbox 360 GPU to be similar to that of a 24-pipeline ATI R420 GPU.
R420 is the ATI core name for the X800 XL series cards. Whee. Only setback is that my card doesn't have 24 pixel pipelines, it only has 16 (damn!).

I'm interested in just how not amazing the revered Playstation 3 will be upon it's release. You gotta hand it to Nintendo... at least their hype (the controller biggrin) can't be put down by an analysis of the hardware. Sony, with IBM's help is saying that your Playstation 3 can launch missiles at other countries while Microsoft is saying you'll lose the edge of your TV screen because it's "so real."

Le sigh.
Posted: Thu, 17th Nov 2005, 6:05pm

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DEAR GOD!

Everyone is bitching about consoles AND we all agree!

WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!

I might lock this now before it goes down hill! biggrin
Posted: Thu, 17th Nov 2005, 6:15pm

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I played Xbox360 and the game Perfect Dark: Zero. I thought it rocked (in graphics, anyway), and it will be interesting to see the PS3 which I think will be very, very, very good.

Although I don't really understand why Sony had to have a 1080p mode in PS3, since no TV's support this for the moment. smile

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Posted: Thu, 17th Nov 2005, 6:16pm

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I say stick with your N64s, original Playstations, Dreamcasts, and PC games and go buy some filmmaking stuff.
Posted: Thu, 17th Nov 2005, 6:19pm

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schwar wrote:

DEAR GOD!

Everyone is bitching about consoles AND we all agree!

WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!

I might lock this now before it goes down hill! biggrin
Please Don't. I'm loving this, it's giving me more ammunition to throw at people in other forums who have fallen in love with the console.
Posted: Thu, 17th Nov 2005, 6:40pm

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Hey All

I prefer consoles over PC to play games.. Not because of graphics, or games or what not.. but I like to be able to sit on my couch, or a leather recliner, lay back and play! OR have 4 people in the same room on the same big TV....

Thats the only reason I like consoles better....

I saw an xbox 360 last week @ best buy - demo... personally I wasn't impressed by the graphics.

I bought my computer when I was in grade 12 (i've since graduated college and am working) - pentium 4 - 2.53 ghz - gig of ram.... (it was expensive as heck back then.. lol)...
Since I've bought a new graphics card (geforce fx 5500 256 meg)...
I played DOOM 3 on my PC when it came out... Those graphics KICKED THE CRAP out of what I saw @ best buy last week!! and I played DOOM 3 what seems liek a very lone time ago!!

But in the end - I will probably still get one of the new consoles... for the couch and party playing (and xbox live.. but that is the same as online for PC)

I work on a computer - I dont go home and sit at a different desk at another computer to play games.. i was at a desk all day.. dont want to be when I get home to play games.. haha

-MAGIC
Posted: Thu, 17th Nov 2005, 6:53pm

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the ONLY reason I think I'm going to eventually get an xbox 360 is because the Shenmue series is most likely to continue on it. That's the exact same reason I got an xbox the first time around as well.
Posted: Thu, 17th Nov 2005, 7:39pm

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TommyB wrote:

Yet, after playing on one in a high street retailer, I personally thought it was awful. No visible AA, and COD2 looked horrible compared to the PC version. Games were also laggy and slow, and a controler simply doesn't make a good Keyboard/Mouse substitue for FPS games. I'm not the only one though, many other people agree with me, including IGN who have only been rewarding 'good' scores for the Xbox 360 releases.
I'm not going to argue anything that is pure opinion or speculation. I see that gets nowhere on this board nor any others.

The reason you saw no visble AA was because almost every store has their systems setup wrong. I work at Gamestop and when I went to visit our neighboring EB they had theirs wrong, and so did both Wal-marts in the area. They are setting their systems to 720p in the dashboard, but there is a physical switch on the cords themselves you must switch from SD to HD. Nobody seems to figure this out, and that's why most of the displays don't seem AA.

TommyB wrote:

COD2 looked horrible compared to the PC version.
Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE agrees that the 360 version of COD2 has better graphics. Even the developers themselves have stated this fact. Including your beloved IGN in their review.

And secondly, I've played COD2 and Kameo on multiple 360 units multiple times, and they are locked at 60fps. Even with Kameo's 1000+ dragons in the background of the opening level, still 60fps. Always. Period.

Finally, the reason you see the launch games getting mid 8's low 9's for scores is because of two reasons.

a) They are launch games. Rushed, features cut, under-impressive. That's how ALL system launches are.

b) Headroom. They have to purposely score these games a little lower in expectation for the bigger and greater games to come in the future.

If PC is your thing, then fine. But there is no need to bash the views of others who prefer a console.
Posted: Thu, 17th Nov 2005, 8:14pm

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pentium 4 - 2.53 ghz - gig of ram.... (it was expensive as heck back then.. lol)...
It was also the fastest processor in the world, when it came out.

If PC is your thing, then fine. But there is no need to bash the views of others who prefer a console.
And vice versa.

I prefer consoles over PC to play games.. Not because of graphics, or games or what not.. but I like to be able to sit on my couch, or a leather recliner, lay back and play! OR have 4 people in the same room on the same big TV....
As geeky as it may seem... LAN parties are teh shiz. I enjoy bringing my computer around to places (this is one reason I'm after a $2,500 laptop... Dell desktops are famously heavy) and playing games with other people and other computers.

LAN parties were what first got me into film and inevitably lead me here. My first computer to ever go to a LAN party was an 800 MHz Pentium III powered Dell with 512 MB of RAM. The best graphics card it saw (and still has) was a Geforce 4 MX4000. Damn that was a good computer. I worked with 3D Studio Max R3 and Adobe Premiere Pro on that thing.

Although I don't really understand why Sony had to have a 1080p mode in PS3, since no TV's support this for the moment.
The Playstation 3 has had an inordinate amount of money spent on it in research and development. It's almost a shame that a new and innovative processor architecture will be seeing it's first use in a gaming console... but that's the key.

Sony has spent a LOT of money on this console, I'm willing to bet they expect it to have quite the lifespan past previous consoles.

Stupid move, in my opinion. It's going to be much more expensive than the Xbox 360 currently is when it launches (by then the 360's price will have dropped). Microsoft has an advantage in pricing that it got by sticking to tried and trusted technology.

...Meh. Oh well.
Posted: Thu, 17th Nov 2005, 8:42pm

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The Xbox seems to have a geeky reputation anyway.

Everyone I know is either getting a PSP for Xmas, or wating for the PS3. Same applies to my much younger brothers and their friends, who are still at school.
Posted: Thu, 17th Nov 2005, 8:49pm

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Well I didnt feel like reading this whole thread but my thoughts are as follows. I went to walmart to try it out. I played the Call of Duty 2 demo after playing it at my home pc which consists of 1gb pc2700 ram, msi radeon 9800 pro, and an amd athlon xp 3000+. Nowadays thats considered low end. Well I seriously thought the xbox 360 graphics werent much better. I hate the controller but I always hate console controllers for fps's. The hype is redicuolous. I have friends skipping school the day it comes out to play the 360. Its not even close to matching top pc's in my current opinion. Come to think of it the demo was even on an HD screen at walmart I believe. Its really a piece of crap IMHO and ill stick with my computer.
Posted: Thu, 17th Nov 2005, 9:14pm

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Hajiku Flip, long time no see...

Anywho, I don't think the console business is ready for next-generation yet. Maybe in a year or so, but this generation seems incomplete, and there aren't that much better changes, it looks amazing, but not as drastic as say, Donkey Kong 64 (good graphics for last gen) compared to Resident evil 4 on the GCN.
Posted: Thu, 17th Nov 2005, 9:44pm

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Me and alot of guys in my class had a xbo360 argument, it was everyone against me...

my points are

1. It's nothing really new anyway, just better graphics, which doesn't count very much in games anyway..

2. The diffrences between ps3 and xbox360 is almost as the diffrences between ps2 and xbox..

3. Nintendo revolution will anyway have about the same graphics as both xbox360 and ps3, and they are thinking new, as always. With the controller, just think of the possiblities... And nintendo games are always very well made games.

4: but often enough, games are best on pc...

... I think I won our little fight smile
Posted: Thu, 17th Nov 2005, 9:56pm

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TommyB wrote:

I agree. Microsoft have never really got the idea of style tbh. It looks hideous..
Your right lets not get a console that as amazing graphics and awesome proccecing power and supplies my every entertainment need because i dont like its shape. I mean come' on the shape is what counts. You can't play halo while have a a console that concaves. I mean the thought is rediculous.
I mean honsetly guys stop complaining if you dont like the 360. Don't get one and go play your computer. Some people like comps. Some do just fine with out them.
Posted: Thu, 17th Nov 2005, 10:01pm

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Your right lets not get a console that as amazing graphics and awesome proccecing power and supplies my every entertainment need because i dont like its shape.
Ja I kno! Teh processor won't work!
Posted: Thu, 17th Nov 2005, 10:03pm

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ssj john wrote:

TommyB wrote:

I agree. Microsoft have never really got the idea of style tbh. It looks hideous..
Your right lets not get a console that as amazing graphics and awesome proccecing power and supplies my every entertainment need because i dont like its shape. I mean come' on the shape is what counts. You can't play halo while have a a console that concaves. I mean the thought is rediculous.
Lol. I am looking foward to the 360 release because I just bought I new 52' hdtv thought I would be cool to play it on. I have been reading every review that has been coming out for the 360 and its games, and im really happy with what I see. I mean xbox live was so awesome on the original, and the new xbox live looks better then that. I think the reason people buy consoles is because they either think they can't afford a good computer with a good graphics card, or they just like to play in the comfort of their living room.
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ssj john wrote:

Some people like comps. Some do just fine with out them.
Others have no idea what PC games are and thus assume the Xbox 360 is a super powerful machine of doom.
Posted: Thu, 17th Nov 2005, 10:04pm

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Hajiku_Flip wrote:

The reason you saw no visble AA was because almost every store has their systems setup wrong. I work at Gamestop and when I went to visit our neighboring EB they had theirs wrong, and so did both Wal-marts in the area. They are setting their systems to 720p in the dashboard, but there is a physical switch on the cords themselves you must switch from SD to HD. Nobody seems to figure this out, and that's why most of the displays don't seem AA.
I'm afraid it is not as easy as that, the demos simply don't seem to have it so far. We played Xbox 360s set up by Microsoft themselves last weekend and none of them had it. COD2 looked pretty much the same as a mid-high range pc to me too. Some of them were showing off some nifty HDR stuff though.

What I don't get is why people are sitting here slating it when they love xbox and other consoles.

Yes PCs are better for FPS and high end PCs will beat it on graphics but they cost a lot more. Thats one of the tradeoffs.

The xbox 360 seems about the same in relation to PCs now as the xbox was to them when it came out and it seems about the same price too.

Maybe some are dissappointed because they thought it was going to be some wonderconsole that will blow everything away but the designers arn't magicians. If it was possible to make stuff look better and go faster people would be sticking that technology in PCs as well.

I think it will get better, the xbox 360s on the stand arnt the finished thing, as Prince from the QA team at Ubisoft was saying the final console is slightly smaller and a lot slicker and the games will improve greatly as the developers find their feet on the console.

The PS3 even with all its power isn't going to be that amazing because you can always find ways to use up that power. Same as about a week after you get a new PC and it seems slow again. smile

I am not a huge fan of consoles, but they have their advantages and I don't think the balance has dramatically shifted or will in the forseeable future.

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Others have no idea what PC games are and thus assume the Xbox 360 is a super powerful machine of doom.
That was, without question, the most eloquently simple yet blunt manner of putting it. biggrin
Posted: Thu, 17th Nov 2005, 10:17pm

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The £500 7800 GTX 512MB was released earlier this week.
That is simply ridiculous. Although I'm pretty sure it'll make a joke out of the 360 and PS3 combined.

Anyway, it does prove a point, and that's PC Gaming will cost a lot more.

Finaly, I do think the design of a console is important. No body wants an ultra slick TV if they've got a box of crap sitting beside it. I think MS could have put more effort in to the design. I mean, how hard is it, why not a silver box with blue led lighting or something that looks nice???

The PS3 looks horrible too IMO.
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Anyway, it does prove a point, and that's PC Gaming will cost a lot more.
If you buy that card the day it comes out, yes. Watch, when ATI comes out with their rebuttal to Nvidia's little, "We hafta be on top!" card, then both will compete in pricing and they'll drop. FAST.

Much as I hate to admit it... then there's SLI... and Crossfire, both of which can be had for a low price. Two X800 XL's will beat an Xbox 360, therefore two 6800 GT's will beat an Xbox 360 for just slightly more than the 360 itself.

Then you can game better, and have a LOT more versatility.

Finaly, I do think the design of a console is important. No body wants an ultra slick TV if they've got a box of crap sitting beside it.
And since YOU think it's a "box" of crap, then it seriously must be for everyone and therefore warrants a complete redesign?

The PS3 looks horrible too IMO.
The controller is a silver banana. What's not to like? biggrin
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I noticed they have a number of different XBox 360 Packages. Here's a look at some that Futureshop in Canada is going to be selling.

http://www.futureshop.ca/marketing/xbox360/EN/default.asp?logon=&langid=EN
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I have no intention of ever even trying one out. I was at Best buy last weekend, and there was 360 to play. You couldn't get near it. There was a line of people to play the demos.

It's so dumb to think you can even GET one, with all the pre-orders and whatnot. I don't think it will live up to the hype. I think all those excited gamers are gonna be dissapointed when they turn it on.

I mean, what's it have? Better graphics and sequals to X-box games. I went to Blockbuster about a week ago, and there were probably 10 pre-owned X-boxes for sale.

Everyone is selling them, and then buying 360's and a whole new library of games AND keeping their X-box games. I agree with Serpent that the gaming world isn't really ready for something else new.

Just this year and last year we got DS and PSP. I don't want to pay for another console yet. I think the Nintendo Revolution will sell better cause' it WILL be out in about a year, and will be ready for a new gaming revolution.

I think it pointless to purchase a another sequal to a console with all the great games out for the systems we already OWN. So far the strictly small amount of details about the Revolution dissapoint me, but I don't think the system will.

I mean, a new super smash bros. is enough to make me excited. I'm content with my purchases involving video games, so I have no intrest in getting a 360 or a PS3.




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TommyB wrote:

Finaly, I do think the design of a console is important. No body wants an ultra slick TV if they've got a box of crap sitting beside it. I think MS could have put more effort in to the design. I mean, how hard is it, why not a silver box with blue led lighting or something that looks nice???
Hide the stupid thing in a cubbard if you dont like the look of it sitting next to your t.v. My point is all the PC gamers everytime there is a thread they start preaching. Its like they all want to convert us to there nerdy religion. Then there are others who say "ugghh like ms like they're like over hyping this xbox 360 like way to much" If you think its over hyped and a peice of crap good. Your entitled to your opinion and nobodies forcing you to buy the xbox 360. You can go get your ps3 or revo or whatever. And the fact that you think that the 360 is ugly is your opinion. There are people who think its cool. And there are people who are stupid enough to buy a console because of looks. I mean honestly I think the revo looks the coolest. But I'm not getting that peice of poo, I'll get a 360 cuz I dont want to invest my time and money into putting a computer together that im going to have to upgrade a heck of alot more than the 360. Even though pc will always have better graphics, I just dont have the money.
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film freak wrote:

I think it pointless to purchase a another sequal to a console with all the great games out for the systems we already OWN. So far the strictly small amount of details about the Revolution dissapoint me, but I don't think the system will.
I don't think 360 would be able to live without its first mini line up consisiting of new games. Developers would have to rush things out while already working on things for PS2 and GCN. If you remember, the PS2 (best selling of last gen) started off the same way, releasing Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 (I think it was 2) alongside the PS1. It was still a success. I actually have no doubt that all of the systems will succeed, but I think PS3 will win over 360 simply because of the power, the amount of games like MGS, and the previous massive Sony fan base. Revolution will win over 360 (prediction) because of this whole new way to play games and the originality. If one loses to the other etc., it wont matter at all because all will succeed. You guys can quote me on that if you have doubts on any of the consoles. 360 really does look rushed. They are trying to take Sony's path and get it out there for Holidays long before any other console, but I think it will be rushed and look rushed.
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I agree, it looks very rushed. When I watched someone playing the demo of a game, I could just barely tell the graphics were better. So what you're saying, Serpent, is that this is how you think the systems will go:

1st PS3
2nd NR
3rd 360


I agree with you there too. There are too many loyal nintendo fans (such as myself) out there, that I think they'll over-rule microsoft's general crowd. But it does seem that the PS3 will sell best because it is basically almost a mix of 2 systems. People enjoy the great selection of more adult-centered games for X-box, and the quirky, sometimes non-voilent games from nintendo. For the most part, playstation has both.
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Although there will be traditional Nintendo games for the NR, Nintendo is setting out to target more audiences. You'll find that NR will have both as well. I don't think that is what is selling Play Stations. I can't put my finger on it, but it's something else.
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I have a feeling the future of gaming is things like the Revolutions controller. As much as i hate to say it, I think pretty soon we will get to the point where we are sick of good graphics, and game ideas are already running out. We need innovative tech like the revolution controller to keep the industry alive in the future.
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An XBox 360 section at the gaming site I work at went live: http://360.advancedmn.com/index.php See it before the general public do. smile We haven't linked to it from our frontpage yet.

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Very true. I'm starting to get sick of things saying, "If you find this certain person in the game, 3 pixels on his nose looks 20% more realistic!"
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Kid wrote:

We played Xbox 360s set up by Microsoft themselves last weekend and none of them had it.
That's the point. The Microsoft reps themselves are setting up these consoles wrong. When I went to Wal-mart and E.B. they all told me "Well the Microsoft rep was just here and they assured me it is set to 720p. I watched them do it." But of course, it wasn't.

When they setup the unit in our store I was already well aware of the problems and I watched him set it up. I asked him if he was forgetting anything and he said "Nope, that's how we were trained to do it." He didn't even know about the physical SD --> HD switch. And it's not just in our area, it's happening all over the country.

I'm not saying that HD is going to make graphics go from pretty good to pants-wetting awesome, but for those people that are complaining about AA and what not, it's because the systems are being setup wrong, even by the Microsoft reps themselves.
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First of all I do agree that consoles and video games are ovverated..but this is true on all platforms. The main reason I have pre-ordered an xbox 360 is for its media extender addon which allows me to watch my media off my pc in my living room. The xbox 360 is actually a lot more than a gaming console, and it is work the money alone to be an all in one media center for your living room. It also happens to play games (when the few good ones come out) like halo 3.

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Hajiku_Flip wrote:

Kid wrote:

We played Xbox 360s set up by Microsoft themselves last weekend and none of them had it.
That's the point. The Microsoft reps themselves are setting up these consoles wrong.
Slightly worrying. If trained Microsoft reps can't set the console up correctly, what hope is there for the average pleb on the street? Are we going to end up with hundreds of xboxes all over the world set up incorrectly?

shadowninja1028 wrote:

I am looking foward to the 360 release because I just bought I new 52' hdtv
Wow, that is a big TV! Do you have your own theatre for it, too? smile
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lol, no just the tv and some big speakers thats all still gonna be awesome. biggrin
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I want to see a photo of this said massive tv, in the photo should be yourself holding an xbox 360 with a puzzled look on your face. As if to say 'I don't know how to set it up?'

Ahh, good old Microsoft, making things retarded as possible.
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I'll Buy an xbox 360 eventually, As, I don't feel the need to be Precocious and Self righteous about a Video game console and jump on the "I hate something so i can agree with and/or try and argue about something as inane as a Gaming machine"
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Bryce007 wrote:

don't feel the need to be Precocious and Self righteous about a Video game console and jump on the "I hate something so i can agree with and/or try and argue about something as inane as a Gaming machine"
It's discussion. On a discussion-based forum. What did you expect to find; everyone agreeing with each other, complete silence and apathy?

Just because you don't personally find something interesting enough to debate, doesn't mean that you have to ridicule others for doing so.

Expressing an opinion has nothing to do with being self righteous (although putting others down for no good reason could be considered so), and I don't see how precocity is relevant here...?

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What he said...
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XBOX 360!!!!

burst Head ShotHead Shot burst
HALO3

I'm looking forward to it.
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What the hell?

Is there somebody who looks after you?
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huh?
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irishcult wrote:


HALO3

I'm looking forward to it.
I'm looking forward to Half-Life 3...
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You mean you CAN'T taunt ppl on games using a Microphone on a PC ?
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You mean you CAN'T taunt ppl on games using a Microphone on a PC ?
Not natively within a game, although some games have ingame mic chat between team mates, it's not the same sleek system that Xbox live has.
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Hah man I have teamspeak up like 24/7 sometimes ventrilo, its sleek and easy.
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sk8npirate wrote:

Hah man I have teamspeak up like 24/7 sometimes ventrilo, its sleek and easy.
You may have missed my earlier post

Hybrid-Halo wrote:

If only the PC had this capability, ingame mic chat on PC games is normally sub par without a extra program running. Then I could really grill some people when I play my games.
Teamspeak is primarily for team based conversation (who'd have guessed it!), there's no efficient way for a stranger to join your TS server as it would always involve ip copy and pasting. XboxLive handles all of that without even making it obvious to you, you just join a game and bang you're talking. I still think it's the best thing about Xbox.

-Hybrid
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I just dug this thread up while randomly searching for SSBM. Anyways, it is an interesting read, comparing what Microsoft (more like Macroflop am i rite?1 wink Had to add the wink or fanboys would actually take me seriously.) said earlier to what it actually turned out to be (half the truth.) The thread is a good read, I especially enoyed the part whre I claimed Nintendo had invested billions (exaggeration) of "money" into the Revolution. I also found it interesting how Tap2 stated that consoles were getting boring, all the same, same controller, same general gameplay, and now Nintendo pulls this off. I can't wait to see the general response of the public when this release nears. I seriously can't get over those exaggerated old specs sidey linked to. Proof that you should NEVER trust specs until you are actually seeing them first hand. Example: Sony before PS2 said that the PS2 could produce Toy Story-like graphics (to give public a better idea.) Whoever markets stuff like this is outright sneaky, they should be more straight to the point to not look like liars to the well-informed consumer. </rant>

shadowninja1028 wrote:

lol, no just the tv and some big speakers thats all still gonna be awesome. biggrin
I belive Tarn's little joke on your typo flew right over your head. smile You made the typo that made your TV be 51 feet instead of inches. Unless of course you own an iMax theatre and aren't fooling us...
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Yeah I know I forget to hit shift I just thought it would be fun to play along.
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Hajiku_Flip wrote:

Kid wrote:

We played Xbox 360s set up by Microsoft themselves last weekend and none of them had it.
That's the point. The Microsoft reps themselves are setting up these consoles wrong. When I went to Wal-mart and E.B. they all told me "Well the Microsoft rep was just here and they assured me it is set to 720p. I watched them do it." But of course, it wasn't.

When they setup the unit in our store I was already well aware of the problems and I watched him set it up. I asked him if he was forgetting anything and he said "Nope, that's how we were trained to do it." He didn't even know about the physical SD --> HD switch. And it's not just in our area, it's happening all over the country.

I'm not saying that HD is going to make graphics go from pretty good to pants-wetting awesome, but for those people that are complaining about AA and what not, it's because the systems are being setup wrong, even by the Microsoft reps themselves.
I think you are mistaken in this instance. The preview for Ghost Recon had AA and none of the standard MS demos did.

Maybe there is a switch but that isn't the problem.
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Hybrid-Halo wrote:

Vega70 wrote:

You mean you CAN'T taunt ppl on games using a Microphone on a PC ?
Not natively within a game, although some games have ingame mic chat between team mates, it's not the same sleek system that Xbox live has.
Well in BF2 the squad based mic stuff is much better than teamspeak. OK so you can't taunt the enemy but talking amongst the squad and to the commander is much better for tactics.

Also when its squad based you dont get that problem when morons come in and start saying rubbish over the mic.
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Give me a console that has the controller from Xbox360, the inside of PS3 and the outside of Revolution and let it be able to record TV. Then I'll buy it.
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I played it at a Game store today, and I wasn't impressed at all. The graphics were great in King Kong and Call of Duty, but they were not that much better than what the X-Box could handle. Today I basically discovered that we really aren't ready for next generation. The graphics were pretty, but gameplay wasn't improved, just not all that impressive.
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Kid wrote:

Well in BF2 the squad based mic stuff is much better than teamspeak. OK so you can't taunt the enemy but talking amongst the squad and to the commander is much better for tactics.

Also when its squad based you dont get that problem when morons come in and start saying rubbish over the mic.
The VOIP in BF2 is a step in the right direction, though voice quality is really terrible. Have a go on a mates Xbox and try Live, I think you'll see what I mean about it all being done for you. The system in terms of voice chat is really miles ahead of what anything has done on PC as of yet.

I can't say I've ever had a problem in any mic based game with people abusing it, you can always mute people or even better - insult them so hard that they shut up.

-Hybrid.
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Serpent wrote:

I played it at a Game store today, and I wasn't impressed at all. The graphics were great in King Kong and Call of Duty, but they were not that much better than what the X-Box could handle. Today I basically discovered that we really aren't ready for next generation. The graphics were pretty, but gameplay wasn't improved, just not all that impressive.
This is just stupid, It is miles better than xbox. The only thing it isn't better than is top of the range PC.

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The system in terms of voice chat is really miles ahead of whatnything as done on PC as of yet.
Really? Sounds just the same quality to me.
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I got 2 letters one number "PS3" sorry X-BOX fans I dont like the x-box.
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Kid wrote:

Serpent wrote:

I played it at a Game store today, and I wasn't impressed at all. The graphics were great in King Kong and Call of Duty, but they were not that much better than what the X-Box could handle. Today I basically discovered that we really aren't ready for next generation. The graphics were pretty, but gameplay wasn't improved, just not all that impressive.
This is just stupid, It is miles better than xbox. The only thing it isn't better than is top of the range PC.
I just wasn't impressed. I didn't notice a BIG difference, just doesn't look like an entire generation ahead. More like a transition or something. The graphics were good, and they aren't something I really care about that much, but it is just my view on this topic. Maybe the change from last generation was the reason these don't impress me like they should (the MGS PS3 trailer impressed me)

GCN Rogue Squadron

VS.

Rogue Squadron 64



Xbox King Kong

VS.

Xbox 360 King Kong

I know that is kind of a rough comparison, but I just don't think the change is drastic enough to WOW me. I am sure developers will take advantage of the system in the future, but right now it is not really turning my head. Playing the demo convinced me not to get it really.

EDIT: That 360 screen is sort of an ugly one, but my point still stands.
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I am staying away from all of the new systems. I have a fear of things that I will get addicted to and will consume all of my free time.

And regarding the last post, yeah, there was once some dude who was using the ingame voice chat in UT2K4 and he was playing songs through the mic. Luckily you can block them, though.

As for the pictures that were just posted, it seems a bit disappointing in the difference between X-Box and the X-Box 360. I would expect more from all of this hype.

My two cents.
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Here's a screenshots that compare the xbox graphics with the 360 graphics the change is amazing.

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that looks more like an n64/360 comparison
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jstow222 wrote:

that looks more like an n64/360 comparison
Yeah, no way that's XB graphics. I call BS. Conker's Bad Fur Day looks better than the right image on XB.

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Yeah the graphics for the left side are a bit bad biggrin, but they are xbox.
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Those are from the N64 version that Rare was working on is my guess. This project has been going on since then (and I am not impressed...)
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shadowninja1028 wrote:

Yeah the graphics for the left side are a bit bad biggrin, but they are xbox.
conker on xbox


yeah. that's a lie.
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shadowninja1028 wrote:

Yeah the graphics for the left side are a bit bad biggrin, but they are xbox.
The screenshot on the left is from around the year 2000 when the series was being developed and had been in development well into the N64's life.

I know that. For a fact, I wanted Kameo on the N64 more than any other game, it looked so very promising having been in development for six years or so (since Donkey Kong Country 1).
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The reason I thought they were xbox graphics is because the site I got the pic at said it was, sorry my bad.
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Even with all these comparisons, you guys are forgetting two things:

a) Compare late generation 64/Dreamcast/PS2 titles to Xbox launch titles. Then compare those first generation Xbox graphics to last generation Xbox graphics. You should see that first generation games are never that big of a leap, and late generation is 2-3x the graphical quality from those at launch. If you guys don't think graphical leaps of 2-3x what we are seeing now on these Xbox 360 games is amazing, let alone the launch titles themselves, then you'll be waiting a long time for something to impress you.

b) Resolution. These games are all being made for 720p/1080i. This resolution increase is going to take a hit on the processor. If the Xbox games were made for that resolution, you wouldn't be seeing things that are as pretty as Conker and Splinter Cell are on SD.
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Waser wrote:

shadowninja1028 wrote:

Yeah the graphics for the left side are a bit bad biggrin, but they are xbox.
conker on xbox


yeah. that's a lie.
Yeah, I made you buy that game razz

It's actually very good game, I love the multiplayer mode, and the graphics shows that the xbox could do pretty sweet graphics.
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I remember I played that Conker game for like gameboy color where you collect presents or something. It was really weird but I played it anyways.
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Lithium Kraft wrote:

I remember I played that Conker game for like gameboy color where you collect presents or something. It was really weird but I played it anyways.
Peh, that was a childish game... Conker for n64 was mature, fun and Brilliant!
Conker for xbox is pretty much the same, except multiplayer.
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I remember being about 7 years old, and seeing that GBC conker game. When my brother and I heard about bad fur day, we couldn't wait. Then, when we went to the store to pick it up, we were like, "Huh? They must have messed up, this says Mature +17." Then we found out the horrible truth. He wasn't cute and cuddly anymore, he had....... gone bad. wink
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Ok to be honest..... you really dont think before you wrote this topic. Microsoft have proved they can do more then any pc game can. You mite not believe it now because the console had to meet a 1 year deadline for launch you played a damn demo pod which isnt the full graphics and is a DEMO!!! you have no acces to controll sensitivity options in a demo. The demos are only running at an eight of the power microsoft have said that already.... Why.... so people dont nick them from the store they cant use them they dont run other games theyre locked and preset give it time and you will see the power.
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and another thing... do you really expect the most powerfull machine in the world. FOR ABOUT 320$ i dont think so....... they cut it down alot to make it more affordable. PS fanboys are gna have a hard time with the $600 pricetag
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Why would they make their main advertisement only run at 1/8th power? I would like to see proof of that. The 360 came out last night, and I don't think it is 8 times better from what I have seen.
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serpent.... theyre rushed release games..... i went to london games show where a test of ingame graphics was shown on games such as splinter cell 4. Its true the demo pods dont run at full spec.... another thing. them games werent running true 720p they where cut down. games will support 1080p eventually when lcd plasma tv makers start making 60hz instead of standard 50hz which is why they supply the same samsung lcd becuase its the only 1 atm of that size which can handle it. Them demo pods are there for people to get free updates for games which is why you can put ur memory card into it thats all they where intended for.
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The pod boxes are meant to be full spec, its just some of the demos could be a bit raw because they are not the finished games. Saying that, they wouldn't show stuff which didn't best demonstrate the machine's power - so of the launch games the demo ones are probably gonna be the best there is (visually) or the most popular.

The games will improve over the lifetime of the console, just like the PS2 and the Xbox did. I doubt you'll see anywhere near 8 times improvement in speed or, more specifically, visual quality. Xbox showed a 1.5-2 times improvement in average polygons shifted over its lifetime in new games (and that increased visual quality). The PS2 saw a much larger improvement than the Xbox (more because the first games rather underperformed and it was hard to code for and therefore it took longer to extract the best performance). I doubt we'll see increases any bigger than the original Xbox with these news systems, maybe more with the PS3 again due to the Cell.

Also the prices of both systems will drop really quickly so talking about price is a bit pointless. A year or so after release the PS3 will be within 10-20% of the Xbox360 in terms of cost, which is about the same performance advantage it has as well.

I doubt I'll buy either, but if I do I exect it'll be the PS3. Sony soundly thrashed Microsoft (bit of an understatement) even when the PS2 was 20-30% slower than the Xbox when it came to the GPU. This time, with a machine which is more powerful than the competition and (again) better looking, I can see only one overall winner. I expect it'll be closer than before (well it would be hard not to be) - there is a decent market out there for both machines.
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The Nice thing is, Since most people are divided on the topic, You will most likely have a friend with a ps3, So there really isn't a problem since you can probably play that friends console AND yours. Which is why i'm getting a 360.
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eek eek eek WOW!!! Just brought home my xbox 360, can't even begin to describe how good the graphics are. Tiger Woods 2006, Need for Speed, and Perfect Dark Zero are the games I got. Haven't tried Perfect Dark yet but the other two are the most amazing thing I have ever seen. So much detail its amazing. Microsoft did a great job, awesome system. My town only got like 16 total and I got one its so sweet. Glad I preordered it in July, all of them are sold out already.
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I played king kong, call of duty, and perfect dark, the graphics were so good, I could describe them.

They're a bit better than the xbox.
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waser, this is off topic but io thought corpse bride was good.

Johnny depps portrale of a shy and inocent kid was very well done.

but thats just my opinion

SMB
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That is just a little bit massively off topic there SMB. Ahahaha.

I think that for the most part, the Xbox360 will be a dissappointment. Console Tech really needs to be ahead of its PC counterpart by atleast 6 months on release and graphically the first generation of games have not provided this improvement.

Whilst it's fair to argue that a consoles graphics improve over time as developers become more experienced at programming for it, you have to remember that PC tech is continuously improving. At this rate the 360s graphics will be improving at a rate which leaves it consistantly behind the PC.

That's a bit worrying, isn't it?

Mind, Tech doesnt really need to be impressive for a games gameplay to be outstanding. I just felt that graphics and tech were the Xboxs selling points over the other systems. It'll be interesting to see how it holds up with its console competition. XboxLive may play a huge part in how things turn out. Good be quite exciting wink

-Hybrid.
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yeah your right it was off topic - lol smile

Anyway, i have never been a fan of the xbox, dont ask me why i just havnt. An exbox is basically a small pc with a good 3d graphics engine - i know people who have bought xboxs and turned them into a pc for their personal use. Another friend of mine has installed a huge hard drive and he rents games and then saves them to the hard disc.

Basically i would onhly buy an xbox if i wanted to turn it into a pc, but i dont.

Ill stick too my PSP and PS2.

each to their own though

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The thing is, the console gamers, true console gamers won't care. The power of 360 is significantly greater than that of xbox. You CAN see the difference. Call of Duty 2 has nothing to do with the 360, it has not so good graphics on the PC as well. That is the developers fault. None of you that have honestly been keeping up with the 360 news can say that you havnt seen many screenshots of games that would not have been possible on xbox. I am not some xbox fanboy, I dont even have an xbox. But the 360 is already successful and i think it will continue to be.
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jstow222 wrote:

The thing is, the console gamers, true console gamers won't care. The power of 360 is significantly greater than that of xbox. You CAN see the difference. Call of Duty 2 has nothing to do with the 360, it has not so good graphics on the PC as well. That is the developers fault. None of you that have honestly been keeping up with the 360 news can say that you havnt seen many screenshots of games that would not have been possible on xbox. I am not some xbox fanboy, I dont even have an xbox. But the 360 is already successful and i think it will continue to be.
I don't think anyone disputes its improvement over the Xbox, what's on discussion here is whether or not its really living up to the hype and whether it is a respectable piece of hardware in the modern gaming frontier.
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I wouldn't classify it a console.

Microsoft are desperate - and known to be - at making it more than a console, a more home system for everything. They know from market studies that's going to be near enough impossible, most people own DVD players seperate to consoles, most people listen to music away from their TV. Yet they'll still try, for a company that will never recoop the loses from the XBox, I struggle to see how the 360 - which is a PC in a sleek box without the OS - how they'll corner down and then pin ahold on a market that Sony has owned with Nintendo always making profit for 20 years.

Needless to say, I'm upgrading my PC at Christmas, if I upgrade my PC again next year, I'll have superseeded the XBox 360.

It's a crazy world.

And I'll still down the fact, if you want a fun gaming machine that doesn't try and through graphics and visuals in your face, get a Nintendo console.
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Hm, I disagree with the nintendo aspects of that argument although I do agree that PC gaming technology wise will always remain ahead of the consoles. But that comes at a much higher price and isn't always justified by the games released.

Console gaming is designed for people who want the power of PC gaming without the technicalities of upgrading, aspects of consoles make them superior social gaming machines and so if they are taking the most mainstream features of a PC and incorporating them it can only be a good thing.

Some of the things you've just criticised are things I would personally highlight as being what makes the Xbox360/XB most attractive to me. The ability to load MP3s onto it allows for customisable ingame soundtracks which frankly rocks, as you're no longer forced to listen to anything you dont like and the Hard drive really gives the consoles what its needed for a long time - less disc swapping and no memory cards.

Maybe you're forgetting that Sony didn't always own the market, a painful memory for you I'm sure but if I remember rightly they stole if from Nintendo and it's truely a sad day when a nintendo fans only victory is profit related as profit has absolutely nothing to do with gaming which is what nintendo are reknowned for, apparantly.

Part of why I think the console future holds much excitement is because there really isn't anything solid enough to consider writing any company off. I do believe the future of gaming as a whole (every genre) is moving towards multiplayer via the internet and Xbox are the only platform to really address that with any level of seriousness or professionality (to the degree that I'd argue that the system outdoes any available on PC).

If I was to predict any companies downfall this generation it'd have to be Nintendo's. Being realistic and a Fan I still have to admit that the gamecube didnt really contend with Xbox or PS2. To assume a gadget will turn things around is perhaps a little naive, though not impossible.

I'm still waiting around to see where things go, with my feet firmly grounded in PC gaming though I must admit I am tempted by XB360 as well as the NintendoDS which says ALOT coming from someone as stubborn as me wink.

-Hybrid.
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Hybrid-Halo wrote:


Maybe you're forgetting that Sony didn't always own the market, a painful memory for you I'm sure but if I remember rightly they stole if from Nintendo and it's truely a sad day when a nintendo fans only victory is profit related as profit has absolutely nothing to do with gaming which is what nintendo are reknowned for, apparantly.
-Hybrid.
Nintendo have yet again won awards in the industry for innovative design, game releases and continue to sell the most consoles in Japan and America (current sales spikes include the PSP being outsold by the DS for every week in the last four months). It's not the only victory, but profit means a lot in terms of keeping the company afloat.

I fear for the future of Nintendo, but they still have many aces in their sleeves. I'm intriqued by the Revolution console, and not at all by the 360. I guess that is the difference.

Microsoft's console has been rumoured to sell out everywhere, but thats only because they couldn't get nearly enough consoles distributed for the launch. It will be interesting to see how well it is received in the land of the rising sun. As thats where games consoles sell by the millions, and is the region where Microsoft struggle to get any sort of credability.

Should be fun to watch/play and debate about wink
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I read what you are saying er-no.
And if you ask me, if the Nintendo Revolution is half as fun playing as GameCube, it will beat all the other consoles smile IMO.

GameCube is the perfekt party console, and has the best games.
I look very forward to see some Revolution Games.
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Klut wrote:


GameCube is the perfekt party console, and has the best games.
I look very forward to see some Revolution Games.
I think the PS2 is easily the ultimate party console, why?:
Guitar Heroes, Dancing Stage Fusion, SingStar, EyeToy.

The Playstation 2 is the only console to have taken entertainment out of the tv screen and into the physical room. For that it deserves an award, and has actually won many i believe.

er-no wrote:

Should be fun to watch/play and debate about wink
I agree, the competition that exists ultimately drives the improvement of gaming as a genre. So I'm pretty happy whatever happens wink
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Yeah, but people target the Gamecube as a childish console. Where if you look at those hilariously childish games - including the jukebox one which my little sister has - they are a complete joke.

Give me Monkey Ball anyday.

Although Dancing Stage was superb. I applaude that game, and applaud hybrid-halo when he gets his dancing stage groove on.

I'll say no more as its going off topic. smile
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Hybrid-Halo wrote:

Klut wrote:


GameCube is the perfekt party console, and has the best games.
I look very forward to see some Revolution Games.
I think the PS2 is easily the ultimate party console, why?:
Guitar Heroes
Dancing Stage Fusion
SingStar
EyeToy.
Those games are only fun on parties where you drink.
When it's mid week, they are no fun. But on Sober Parties!
GameCube = ta master!
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Klut wrote:

Hybrid-Halo wrote:


I think the PS2 is easily the ultimate party console, why?:
Guitar Heroes, Dancing Stage Fusion, SingStar, EyeToy.
Those games are only fun on parties where you drink.
When it's mid week, they are no fun. But on Sober Parties!
GameCube = ta master!
I suppose if you're going to go to a party without alcohol then you might as well go the full hog and play mario games. wink

And er-no, I agree that the gamecube was unfairly targeted as being a childs console. Though the designers didnt do them any favours making crayon coloured consoles etc etc. The PS2 is much more guilty of having a younger target audience when you really stop to look at the release titles though.
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Hybrid-Halo wrote:


I suppose if you're going to go to a party without alcohol then you might as well go the full hog and play mario games. wink
What? That's an total insult!

I'm 15 and ain't alowed to drink (and sometimes I folow the rules)
Parties can still be pretty fun. I promise you.
Still for 15 year olds, Mario isn't always that popular, but you should know that there are other games!
MANY other games!
I've got 20 perfectly fun games here for my GC that does not include Mario...


... though we all know that the funniest game is still Super Smash Brothers.
There's a fine party game.
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I dont think ps2 was a good party console simply because you could only play 2 players! how can you settle a debate of "im the best @ this game" between 4 ppl when only 2 can play at a time?????

xbox was the best party console.... (i had all 3.. GC lacked WAY too much in good games... they were all mostly kids stuff)

im looking forward to nintendo's next console... Not too sure if the sony and nintendos new systems will that much farther ahead the xbox to justify people ing etting it over xbox.. because by the time they come out.. everyone will have xbox... and when they do come out.. xbox will get cheaper... so if they aren't WAY better graphics wise etc... the I think just the early advantage will have the xbox360 kill the others...

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That exact tactic didn't work for Sega, I can't see it working for Xbox...
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Dreamcast was way ahead of its time though, a seperate generation from what was available at the time even. PS2 had a whole year over xbox and that was a huge determination in its number one spot. Now, 360 is first. However, considering the lack of supply, by the time the thing actually becomes available, PS3 and Revolution are likely to be out.
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Psh I'm not wasting 500 bucks on some microsoft pile of crap.

Come on this thing is another way to suck pennies out of our piggie bank for some console that gives us a load of crap with our parents telling us to get off the 360! Hell if you have a wife it's worse!

Besides who else is going to buy the freakin 360 start saying crap how good it is is and then just start getting more interested in the PS3 and buy it and never touch the XBOX 360 again in there life.

And I'm sick of wanting to see something interesting on G4 and all I see is another re-run of this XBOX 360 countdown sh*t!!
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It'll be ok swg33k.... it'll be ok....
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Yeah, Iv stopped watching G4. TechTV was sooo much better before the merger.
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Here's a list of Revolution games I can't wait for:

New mario game
SSBM sequal
new legend of zelda
Animal Crossing sequal

a list of 360 games that look worthwhile:

Madden '06
THAW

ummmmm......
ummm......
Got one, wait no.......
Hmmmmmmm.... eh

I've heard storys of fights at my local best buy, over who gets a 360.
In fact, when I was in South Carolina a few days ago, there was a kid hugging his 360 box, on the front page. There just aren't ANY new things to make the system a completely different console than the original.
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10 reasons why you should buy xbox360
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/668/668897p1.html


10 reasons why you shouldn't buy xbox360
http://cube.ign.com/articles/670/670078p1.html
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Does anybody on here actually have a 360 yet? From what I remember a lot of us seemed to have preordered one.....I'd like to here from someone who's been able to sit down and play it for awhile.
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Did anyone happen to see the 360 on eBay with a "buy it now" price of $500,000?!?! That's no typo! Such a deal.
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Waser wrote:

Thought
What's that music from?
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Joel McDonald wrote:

Waser wrote:

Thought
What's that music from?
Equilibrium and V for Vendetta trailers, it's a track called "Escape" by Craig Armstrong.
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Hmm, one of my friends has a 360 and I've tried it...

The media and online functionalities are amazing. Way beyond anything I've seen a PC do. This makes the 360 different from the Xbox, and it would make it worth upgrading if it weren't for the price.

As far as graphics go, even on his HD screen it didn't surprise me much, probably because I'm mostly a PC gamer. Also, Perfect Dark Zero was a very boring shooter IMO, and Call of Duty 2 was pretty much the same as on the PC, just not quite as good-looking.

I dunno... I'd wait for the Revolution and PS3 to come out before considering buying this one.
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My opinions have changed considerably. I played a 360 today must say it was actually much better than I thought. I still think they are over-rated, but the realism is SO much bigger. If I ever have enough money, I might get one. I played king kong. Fighting the T-rex. It was pretty cool. I motion and graphics were much better than they looked from a distance.




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I see you've never touched a high-end PC in your life, but whatever smile
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The only game that really looks outstanding so far is Project Gotham Racing 3. Aside from that I'd reckon my PC could graphically outdo the launch title games.

Though I'm still tempted, mainly because XboxLive is brilliant and it'd be nice to be able to play against my little brother. If the money's there to spend that might be where it goes this year wink.
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pooky wrote:

I see you've never touched a high-end PC in your life, but whatever smile
Yeah. The newest PC we have is my brother's laptop from like 2003. We're mac now. wink
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Ok, really. I don't get why people are always going on and on about "High end pc's can smoke this thing" OF COURSE they can. They're also hundreds and hundreds of dollars more. The xbox 360 is only $400 for the premium edition, and for people who don't want to go buy a $1500 computer system, it's completely worth it.
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Hybrid, if you end up getting one, tell me, because then I'll probably get one too.
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Bryce007 wrote:

Ok, really. I don't get why people are always going on and on about "High end pc's can smoke this thing" OF COURSE they can. They're also hundreds and hundreds of dollars more. The xbox 360 is only $400 for the premium edition, and for people who don't want to go buy a $1500 computer system, it's completely worth it.
Good point razz
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Bryce007 wrote:
Ok, really. I don't get why people are always going on and on about "High end pc's can smoke this thing" OF COURSE they can. They're also hundreds and hundreds of dollars more. The xbox 360 is only $400 for the premium edition, and for people who don't want to go buy a $1500 computer system, it's completely worth it.


Good point
Honestly
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Bryce007 wrote:

Ok, really. I don't get why people are always going on and on about "High end pc's can smoke this thing" OF COURSE they can. They're also hundreds and hundreds of dollars more. The xbox 360 is only $400 for the premium edition, and for people who don't want to go buy a $1500 computer system, it's completely worth it.
Seriously.
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Bryce007 wrote:

Ok, really. I don't get why people are always going on and on about "High end pc's can smoke this thing" OF COURSE they can. They're also hundreds and hundreds of dollars more. The xbox 360 is only $400 for the premium edition, and for people who don't want to go buy a $1500 computer system, it's completely worth it.
Indeed
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Well, my take is simply that...

...My PC isn't terribly high end. If you'll look in my profile you'll see a computer powered by a Pentium 4 which, two years ago, enjoyed a few months as being the fastest processor in the world. You can then take a look at the one-year old graphics processor. What I've got perhaps slightly faster than what is considered today to be "pokey."

...And I can still play Call of Duty 2 on high settings. I can play F.E.A.R, and I can play Age of Empires III. I can play Battlefield 2 on high settings. The Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion will also be ported to the PC, and I'm willing to bet I'll be able to play it.

But wait, there's more, while playing a game (online, mind you), I can chat with people outside of the same server. Once I get bored of squishing people with file cabinets in Half-Life 2: Deathmatch, I can close out, browse the internet, chat with friends, and edit a video. Or I can work in 3D Studio Max. Or... measure the distance between a cloud in Chile and my house in Google Earth. Maybe I'll feel like making a comic, and then scanning it into my computer. Perhaps I'll procrastinate on making my website for the 457th day running.

Then we take into consideration the life of a console. Microsoft is undoubtedly betting on a healthy 3-4 year run on the Xbox 360. Unfortunately, Microsoft is constrained to the hardware -- it will remain the same for it's entire lifetime in order to ensure that the "latest" games get to the most seasoned of Xbox 360 owners. The only "upgrade" the original Xbox was ever given was from 64 to 128 MB. The Xbox 360 comes packed with a WHOPPING 512 MB of DDR3 RAM (700 MHz) to feed a TRIPLE-CORE PROCESSOR.

Meanwhile, the PC world is going onwards and upwards. Multicore technology is available to the prospective buyer for a paltry $241, for a Pentium D 820. In a year, what ELSE will be out? Well... AMD will be introducing socket M2 and a few new faster dual-core Athlons, Intel will be releasing the mobile dual-core Pentium M based on the "Yonah" core (consuming 50W at maximum). Later in the year, Intel will release what will probably end up as the Pentium 5, which already has some mind-blasting specs (1333 MHz frontside bus and 4 MB L2 cache, anyone?) ATI debuting their R580 and R600 graphics chips, and Nvidia will offer the G72, G73 and G80 graphics chips. Memory makers are exploring the possibilities of DDR4 memory on graphics cards and DDR3 memory as system memory.

I do have to say, however... that for the casual... or even "extreme" gamer, the Xbox 360 is a pretty worthy expenditure. If you don't need to edit videos or work in 3D Studio Max, then by all means... the Xbox 360 is an excellent system for the price, and certainly looks better than the competition. The Playstation 3 looks nice, but it's going to cost an ever-loving fortune and won't deliver the performance it's hyped-up to. The Cell processor is nothing more than marketing jargon for what is a multi-core processor, for all intents and purposes. The Xbox 360's processor, built on contemporary microchip technology, is cheaper, and will likely perform on par with the Cell processor. Regardless, the Xbox 360's CPU will likely never be faced with a task that requires it's full power.

That being said, the Cell is as powerful if not slighly more than the Xbox 360's processor. Current fabrication costs of the Cell chip rest at $150 per die -- factory cost. To put that in perspective, it costs Intel $40 to manufacture one of their chips. Then they've got their memory situation. While the Xbox 360 has 512 MB for a triple core processor, the Playstation 3 has two types of RAM (totalling 512 MB) for what is, essentially, an octuple core processor. Do I hear "bottleneck?" No... but that's my take on the PS3.

....eh.... [/rant]
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...Got my 360 Premium today wink
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...Got my 360 Premium today wink
Tell us how it is. Be sure to post 100+ pictures. smile
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I consider myself to be a pretty hardcore, yet sensible gamer overall. So here's my verdict on my Xbox360 experience so far...

The machines design is much nicer than it looks in the pictures, something about it really makes it look like a quality item. Some leagues ahead of the previous xbox. Everything fits in/powers in nicely just as it should.
The controller is just a dream, little things like turning the machine on and accessing the xbl friends lists with a single button press is really neat and streamlines alot of the game options interactivity. It's also really nice to not be connected to the system in any physical way. I honestly believe the controller to be the best console control to date.

Onto software, with the machine I bought PGR3, Condemned, Perfect Dark Zero and Call of Duty 2. I could spend some time justifying those, though I think it'd be faster to just say those are the ones I'm most interested in. As of yet I've only really played PGR3 which is easily the best looking racing game out, the game feels incredible and has a brilliant first person view mixing fun with realism in a way which the GT series seems to have long forgotton.
Though, I still believe that PGR3 is the only game my home PC couldnt handle so the machine is yet to really earn its keep over my PC. The main attraction to the system wasnt the graphics - it was XboxLive. The system is now just brilliant, a really well thought out mix of mic chat functions and easy to use game play systems. XboxLive is Massively, massively overlooked.

Let's hope something similiar appears with Vista, eh? smile

Overall, good impressions of the console. I'll be playing my brother at PGR3 for a good while now. It'll be interesting to see where things go when the PS3 is released as many people assume the x360 will do what dreamcast did with the year advantage, seemingly having forgotton that the sony playstation beat a superior console with a years advance. You could also say that the Dreamcasts failure was due to the Sega Saturn which rules the comparison out of reason as the X360's predecessor is considered a success.

We shall see... smile
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I personally hate the XBox 360. I'm waiting for the Revolution. I could give you multiple reasons why but I found a list on IGN that is pretty much exactly what I was going to say anyways. Here's the link:

Xbox 360 is Not a Revolution

Besides, I'm a Nintendo fan all the way through. The only reason I would buy an Xbox 360 was to use it as a computer for 3D Rendering.

Btw, I heard one guy bought one, brought it out in front of a huge line of people waiting for one, and then smashed it with a sledgehammer, right before their eyes! lol lol lol

-Landon
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Landon wrote:

I personally hate the XBox 360. I'm waiting for the Revolution. I could give you multiple reasons why but I found a list on IGN that is pretty much exactly what I was going to say anyways. Here's the link:

Xbox 360 is Not a Revolution

Besides, I'm a Nintendo fan all the way through. The only reason I would buy an Xbox 360 was to use it as a computer for 3D Rendering.

Btw, I heard one guy bought one, brought it out in front of a huge line of people waiting for one, and then smashed it with a sledgehammer, right before their eyes! lol lol lol

-Landon
Lamest reasons to not buy something I think I've ever actually heard. Though if you're a nintendo fan then the nintendo systems are obviously going to appeal to you. I've always personally tried to steer clear of being a fanboy of anything as it can only lead to tunnel visioned purchasing.

The video of the guy smashing the xbox was done with one of the display cases that Microsoft sent into stores, we've got one where I work. It's essentially a hollow shell shaped like an x360 wink.
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I think the xbox360 looks like an awesome machine, but my parents say I've got too many consoles now...

I will buy nintendo revolution when it's out, most likely without them to figure it out. But as for now I'm not buying xbox360 unless Rare release a new Conker game. Conker for xbox made me buy xbox, Conker for Xbox360 will make me buy xbox360.
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Klut wrote:

I think the xbox360 looks like an awesome machine, but my parents say I've got too many consoles now...

I will buy nintendo revolution when it's out, most likely without them to figure it out. But as for now I'm not buying xbox360 unless Rare release a new Conker game. Conker for xbox made me buy xbox, Conker for Xbox360 will make me buy xbox360.
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...the games not that good.
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god damn it hybrid. You just cost me like 500 dollars
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jstow222 wrote:


...the games not that good.
I happend to find it really awesome, not as good as the n64 version (which I still play) but it's still very fun to play. Even more fun then halo IMO
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I just picked up my 360 on Wednesday, and it by all means lives up to its hype. biggrin It's amazing, the absolute best console I've ever owned--also the most fun to use and play around with. (dashboard, achievments...)

It's a perfect system. I played it for three hours non-stop on Thursday and it had no problems whatsoever.
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God I'm so sick of Nintendo. Xbox, I can deal with, but I just don't get the deal with Nintendo.
***GENERALIZATION WARNING***
All they ever do is make Mario games and never live up to their expectations.


Why ain't anybody psyched bout mah homeboy, PS3? It, just spec-wise, is superior to both consoles, and will most likely offer the widest range of games.
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To compare consoles based on specs is useless.

To compare consoles based on the capabilites (integration with Media Center, integration with online services, etc) is better.


If I were to choose, I'd go 360 first and then Nintendo Revolution.


PS3 looks like a powerhouse console. I somehow doubt games for the PS3 will take advantage of the console's specs and will look special.
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DigiSm89 wrote:

To compare consoles based on specs is useless.

To compare consoles based on the capabilites (integration with Media Center, integration with online services, etc) is better.


If I were to choose, I'd go 360 first and then Nintendo Revolution.


PS3 looks like a powerhouse console. I somehow doubt games for the PS3 will take advantage of the console's specs and will look special.
Hasn't it been going around for months that developers don't like working with the cell processor that Sony is using?

As far as "I think the PS3 will have the largest range of games", you're wrong. It'll be like the PS2 - many RPGs, a couple FPSs there, a couple racers here, the usually sports games..

I hate RPGs. I love FPSs, sports games, and racers, and the XBOX has always been best at that. So I think the 360 will be no different. smile
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DarkJedi07 wrote:

Hasn't it been going around for months that developers don't like working with the cell processor that Sony is using?

As far as "I think the PS3 will have the largest range of games", you're wrong. It'll be like the PS2 - many RPGs, a couple FPSs there, a couple racers here, the usually sports games..

I hate RPGs. I love FPSs, sports games, and racers, and the XBOX has always been best at that. So I think the 360 will be no different. smile
In fact, developers have said they loved making games for the XBOX because the XNA platform (built using .NET) isn't that much different from making a normal PC game.


PS did have a good variety of games, though their variety existed in the time when gaming was just normal console gaming in which you called your friends over to play the latest Bond game.

Now, gaming has evolved to online play and the 360 and MS are on top of that and ahead of the competition.
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I hate RPGs. I love FPSs, sports games, and racers, and the XBOX has always been best at that. So I think the 360 will be no different.
What, are you insane? There are tons more sports and car/racer games on the PS2 than on the Xbox and GC put together!

Sure the Xbox had the only playable FPS on a console in Halo but it was still pretty lame compared to PC FPS games.

There are many reasons why Sony didn't go for an Xbox Live style system - part of it was because of developers who apparently didn't want the limitations of a company owned online network system.

In fact, developers have said they loved making games for the XBOX because the XNA platform (built using .NET) isn't that much different from making a normal PC game.
This is quite different to what I've read recently unless you read reports from Microsoft backed developers. There are many reasons why developers have not enjoyed making software on ALL the new consoles, not just the Cell. The Xbox360 was rushed to market which annoyed many and the move from Xbox to Xbox 360 was a massive change. It takes a while to learn how to get the best from the hardware (which is why most of the first Xbox360 games haven't looked as impressive as people were expecting).

I guess we'll see how things go, but I wouldn't count against the PS3 making good use of its extra power on release. I think the first gen of games will be specifically made to make the 360 look a little out dated graphically - just like PS2 vs Dreamcast and the Xbox vs PS2 (although it didn't work in that case). I also expect there will be a sudden rush to get a HUGE amount of Blu-ray DVDs in the shops (depending on how the DVD wars go it could kill a lot of the market for one of the consoles).

I expect Sony will go for an utterly massive launch rather than a restricted one like Microsoft (cleverly designed so people couldn't compare the launch to previous ones of Playstation hardware and see how it didn't do half as well). It is probably true that none of these new consoles will live up to the previous hardware launches...
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Hybrid-Halo wrote:

The video of the guy smashing the xbox was done with one of the display cases that Microsoft sent into stores, we've got one where I work. It's essentially a hollow shell shaped like an x360 wink.
Actually, they used a real one. People donated money just for that prank, and they got enough. It was not the shell.

As for Atom's random comment, I'll pretend I never heard that. I'd also like to point out, neither of the two other companies develop their own games, and Nintendo has plenty of third parties. If by "generalization" you meant false, you win.

Here are all the games developed/being developed or being published by Nintendo.

65 out of 281 games were Mario game, and I counted Wario games, Peach games, Yoshi games, Japanese only games, Famicon Mini games, etc.

On the new systems (GCN, DS, Revolution) it was 22 out of 87. For their biggest and best selling franchise, and witht them porting and remaking, those numbers are not as exaggerated as you implied.

Schwar, while I agree on your FPS comment for the most part, I certainly thought Timesplitters lived up to Halo control wise, and the multiplayer mode surpassed Halo by leagues in my opinion.
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Cool,

I only played Timesplitters once and just couldn't get on with it. I remember reading loads of good reviews for it but never talked to anyone at the time who actually liked it.

Makes the case for the Xbox even worse wink
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Timesplitters 2 is considered the only decent console fps around, and I believe this largely to be because the game played like a console game rather than try to emulate what a PC FPS does. Though as fun as it was, the limitations of being a console FPS game rendered it out of the FPS competition when PC's come into play.

There's just no defeating the PC's for FPS games.

I imagine the PS3 will sell well, though I also think that the x360 is stiff competition for it. It'd be nice for the hardware to be similiar and for the games to sell the consoles (for a change).

-Hybrid.

P.S. - Serpent - depends which Xbox smashing you're referring to, though my brother informs me that real xbox360's were indeed really broken wink.

Atom - *generalised sweeping statement alert*
You're a muppet.

Waser - Hold off for a while until I get my personal xbox, the current one in this house I got for my brother.

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schwar wrote:

I hate RPGs. I love FPSs, sports games, and racers, and the XBOX has always been best at that. So I think the 360 will be no different.
What, are you insane? There are tons more sports and car/racer games on the PS2 than on the Xbox and GC put together!

Sure the Xbox had the only playable FPS on a console in Halo but it was still pretty lame compared to PC FPS games.

There are many reasons why Sony didn't go for an Xbox Live style system - part of it was because of developers who apparently didn't want the limitations of a company owned online network system.
What, are you insane?!

If the PlayStation has MORE sports games and more racer games - name them.

Halo was not the only FPS on the XBOX. Infact, I never bought Halo. I have Halo 2 because my friends do. Do I play it? No. It's WAY overrated. It takes no skill, it's no fun running and gunning, especially in that game.

Sony didn't go for a system such as XBOX Live - they say that developers must create their own online stuff.. That's a pretty stupid idea.

Both systems have great games. I don't like the MAJORITY of PS2 games. RPGs and Japanese fighters. Yuck.

By the way, the PS2 does not have more sports games. You don't find Madden out for the PS2 only. Nor the NHL 2k series. Or NBA Live or NBA 2k. Nor wrestling games.

They are multiplatform games.
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DarkJedi07 wrote:

What, are you insane?!

If the PlayStation has MORE sports games and more racer games - name them.
Well there's the Gran Turismo series for starters (3 games not including the ps1 games), then there's also the Toca games prior to the latest installment. Ridge Racer, Virtual Tennis, Virtual Tennis 2, Topspin tennis, V-Rally. There are undoubtedly more sports/racer games on the PS2. Though it is indeed arguable that all the really good ones barring GT4 are multi-platform.

Halo was not the only FPS on the XBOX. Infact, I never bought Halo. I have Halo 2 because my friends do. Do I play it? No. It's WAY overrated. It takes no skill, it's no fun running and gunning, especially in that game.
Though Halo was the only xbox specific FPS which wasn't utter cack, though I'd agree... it is indeed some form of cack. I think there is most definetly skill to it though. My little brother really, really owns people in Halo 2 and scores would be random/level if it was a skill-less game. Perhaps you were just no good at it?

Sony didn't go for a system such as XBOX Live - they say that developers must create their own online stuff.. That's a pretty stupid idea.
I think live stands as the most under-appreciated part of the Xbox experience. And I have to agree, not providing this kind of system is only going to lead to substandard online experiences/functionality regardless of how much freedom that gives the developers.

But we'll see where things go, both the main competitors have a so far successful record. It's definetly going to make things interesting.
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We both have our own opinions. razz

Personally, of the racing and sports games you listed, not one of them interested me. To me, Need for Speed: Most Wanted for the 360, Project Gotham Racing 3 for the 360, and even Test Drive: Unlimited for the 360 interest me.

Sports games: Virtual Tennis? How many sales do you think that got? Just because it has other sports games, that doesn't mean they are good games or games that even interest many people.
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DarkJedi07 wrote:


Sports games: Virtual Tennis? How many sales do you think that got?

Virtual Tennis just happens to be the highest grossing tennis game of all time...

Just because it has other sports games, that doesn't mean they are good games or games that even interest many people.
Didn't I say exactly that?

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There are undoubtedly more sports/racer games on the PS2. Though it is indeed arguable that all the really good ones barring GT4 are multi-platform
Yes I did.

Though this wasn't about what interests you. You said that there were not more sports racers on PS2 and that schwar was insane for saying so, I merely corrected you.

As it happens I'm a big fan of the PGR series since the good ol' days it was actually called MSR but that doesn't mean I'm going to take it easy on you when you claim an idea to be ludicrous and then brush off what you previously claimed as factual to be just a differing opinion wink Games that don't interest you often interest others and as a result the Playstation 2 caters for a wider audience. It's pretty simple really.

Anyway...

Anyone played Condemned yet? It uses the FEAR engine and is largely melee combat driven. It's been pretty sweet so far and I'm someone that usually loathes console shooters.

-Hybrid.
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Hybrid-Halo wrote:

DarkJedi07 wrote:


Sports games: Virtual Tennis? How many sales do you think that got?

Virtual Tennis just happens to be the highest grossing tennis game of all time...

Just because it has other sports games, that doesn't mean they are good games or games that even interest many people.
Didn't I say exactly that?

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There are undoubtedly more sports/racer games on the PS2. Though it is indeed arguable that all the really good ones barring GT4 are multi-platform
Yes I did.

Though this wasn't about what interests you. You said that there were not more sports racers on PS2 and that schwar was insane for saying so, I merely corrected you.

As it happens I'm a big fan of the PGR series since the good ol' days it was actually called MSR but that doesn't mean I'm going to take it easy on you when you claim an idea to be ludicrous and then brush off what you previously claimed as factual to be just a differing opinion wink Games that don't interest you often interest others and as a result the Playstation 2 caters for a wider audience. It's pretty simple really.

Anyway...

Anyone played Condemned yet? It uses the FEAR engine and is largely melee combat driven. It's been pretty sweet so far and I'm someone that usually loathes console shooters.

-Hybrid.
Well what I meant was games that interested me. razz Sorta razz