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Introducing VisionLab HD and the FXhome Pro range

Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005, 4:54pm

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During last night’s live webchat we exclusively revealed three new additions to the FXhome software line-up: CompositeLab Pro, EffectsLab Pro and VisionLab HD.

Don't miss the special price offers at the bottom of this page -
only available during December!

VisionLab HD
The all-in-one professional HD post-production toolkit

VisionLab HD combines the features of CompositeLab Pro and EffectsLab Pro into a single, super-powered post-production toolkit.

Designed for professional filmmakers and those of you taking the next step, VisionLab HD comes complete with a commercial licence, enhanced after-sales support, a massive feature set and will be the first to experience future technology developments.

VisionLab HD features:

• Keying filters that can handle any composite
• Heavily optimised greenscreen/bluescreen keying
• Pre-key grading filters to fix lighting problems
• Flexible freehand masking and garbage matte systems
• Particle engine for weather, smoke, debris, fireball etc effects
• Generate authentic muzzle flashes to enhance shootouts
• Explore your creativity with the versatile neon light engine
• Enhance your lighting with the optics engine
• Bring your cinematography to life with cinematic grading filters
• Wide resolution support, from DV to High Definition
• Individual layer export with full alpha channel rendering
• Combined timeline interface keeps your workflow fast
• Realtime skip-frame playback system
• Full commercial licence, perfect for adverts, music videos etc
• Composite filters for incredible visuals
• Light spill for ultimate realism when compositing
• Gleam filter creates incredible light rays
• Much, much more!

We will be examining VisionLab’s amazing capabilities in greater detail in the near future.

This is an exciting new direction for us as a company and for filmmakers needing to make a visual impact while still working to a tight budget.

VisionLab HD is scheduled for a December release.

VisionLab HD£299.99
See below for special upgrade prices!


The FXhome Pro Range
High definition CG visual effects and compositing

The Pro versions of EffectsLab and CompositeLab offer many more features than the DV versions, including full HD support.

If you need professional results but don't have the budget or the need for VisionLab HD's vast capabilities, an FXhome Pro application is the perfect alternative.

Pro features:

• Wide resolution support, from DV to High Definition
• Individual layer export with full alpha channel rendering
• Bring your cinematography to life with cinematic grading filters
• Composite filters for incredible visuals
• Light spill for ultimate realism when compositing (cLab Pro)
• Gleam filter creates incredible light rays
• Plus all the standard features from the DV versions!
• Much, much more!

We’ll be examining the Pro versions in future articles, including why DV users should consider upgrading.

CompositeLab Pro £89.99
EffectsLab Pro £89.99
Normal upgrade for EffectsLab DV -> EffectsLab Pro £34.99
Normal upgrade for Chromanator -> CompositeLab Pro £59.99


Special launch price offers
Low prices throughout December!

All five of our new products will be out soon and before Christmas. To celebrate the launch, we will be offering special discounted upgrade prices to existing users until January 1st.

Chromanator -> VisionLab HD £259.99
EffectsLab DV (preview) -> VisionLab HD £239.99

Chromanator -> CompositeLab DV = £24.99
Chromanator -> CompositeLab Pro = £49.99

EffectsLab DV -> EffectsLab Pro = £24.99


Be sure to buy your copy before the end of the year if you want the extra discount! Keep an eye on FXhome.com so you don't miss the release!

If you would like to know more about our DV range, click here.

Missed The Big One? Click here to read a transcript of the webchat.
Gallery


Displacement distortion


Gleam


Muzzle flash orbits


New Optics engine


More optics


Optics again


New particle textures


Creating a preset


Effects preset listing


Grading filter presets


Single track view


Project view

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Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005, 5:11pm

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Great Tarn.

The chat last night was AWESOME and will DEFINITELY be buying both Composite Lab PRO and Effectslab PRO. +1

A few of the links don't work you may want to check em like the First Muzzle flash. wink
Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005, 5:18pm

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Nice tarn still had fun yesterday +1 from me. biggrin
Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005, 5:24pm

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Ill take one visionlab HD lol

seriously I think I'm going to buy it shortly after it's release.
Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005, 5:24pm

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Tarn wrote:

Chromanator -> VisionLab HD £259.99
EffectsLab DV (preview) -> VisionLab HD £239.99
And no super special price if you own BOTH Chromanator and EffectsLab DV? biggrin
Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005, 5:25pm

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When will we be able to place an order? Will EL Pro be available on a CD/DVD or only as a download?
Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005, 5:27pm

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I ready saw it in the transcript...

AMEEZING STUFF !!!1111 biggrin


RRF Productions


don't have money for VLAB sad Need to buy cam first...
Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005, 5:33pm

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We are considering a fantastic VisionLab HD price for people who own both EffectsLab Preview and Chromanator... Out of interest, how many people would be interested in this?

I'm gonna say it one more time smile

For consumers who don't mind crediting FXhome.com EffectsLab Pro and CompositeLab Pro are a fantastic (and cheap) route to go rather than VisionLab HD.
Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005, 5:37pm

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What about alamdv2 users?
Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005, 5:38pm

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schwar wrote:

We are considering a fantastic VisionLab HD price for people who own both EffectsLab Preview and Chromanator....
Holy crap, there maybe will be a posibility fer me ! biggrin

(and of course for other ones, yeah... uhm... right) razz
Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005, 5:40pm

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I don't mind crediting you guys, and even if I get VisionLab HD, i will still credit you guys.

I'm interested in this fantastic price, and giving you guys more money!
Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005, 5:43pm

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If you're busy with sharing money then, why not sharing it with all the loyal members of the community wink razz


heh... no srry.

So the color grading options will be available in 'Composite Lab' ?
Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005, 5:49pm

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schwar wrote:

We are considering a fantastic VisionLab HD price for people who own both EffectsLab Preview and Chromanator... Out of interest, how many people would be interested in this?
Well, I asked, i'm very intrested. To have the programs in the same app would be great. I've actually wanted that for a long time now... wink

Another question: If I buy VisionLab, will I also be able to use EffectsLab Pro and CompositeLab Pro?

(no, i don't know why I would want to do that...)
Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005, 5:57pm

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Sounds great, im seriously considering buying it!
Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005, 6:02pm

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Maybe a bit of a weird question, how much force will you get if you register Vision Lab ? Just 200 as usual, or more... and how about the updates to pro.

Best regards,
RRF Productions
Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005, 6:02pm

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schwar wrote:

We are considering a fantastic VisionLab HD price for people who own both EffectsLab Preview and Chromanator... Out of interest, how many people would be interested in this?
I want both programs in one. I will be buying VisionLab HD either way, but 400$ is a lot and I would absolutely love to get a double discount from owning Chromanator and EL Preview.

'Tis the season for FXHome!
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schwar wrote:

We are considering a fantastic VisionLab HD price for people who own both EffectsLab Preview and Chromanator... Out of interest, how many people would be interested in this?
I would be insterested, since VisualLab is on my wishlist! Fantastic programs! biggrin

What if you own AlamDV2, Chromanator, EffectsLab (preview) and has been a member for over 3 years? Just joking smile
Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005, 6:17pm

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I believe it's more around $512, not $400. I think.
Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005, 6:18pm

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The EffectsLab Preview discount makes it 411$.
Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005, 6:19pm

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So, when can we order the programs? razz
Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005, 6:22pm

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Redhawksrymmer wrote:

So, when can we order the programs? razz
Remember FXHome and release dates. To say 'before Christmas' is really unusual, and a DATE or TIME? No, that would surprise me... razz
Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005, 7:03pm

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Last night was absolutely fantastic and you kept me interested for the whole... How long was it? Well, too short for me anyway! I wanted more! biggrin

Nah, don't haste yourselves, but keep it coming!


I will definately be upgrading my copy of EffectsLab DV to Pro!
I don't know about buying VisionLab (it's quite a lot of money for a mere student like me), but it looks and sounds sooo great.
Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005, 7:10pm

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schwar wrote:

We are considering a fantastic VisionLab HD price for people who own both EffectsLab Preview and Chromanator... Out of interest, how many people would be interested in this?

I'm gonna say it one more time smile

For consumers who don't mind crediting FXhome.com EffectsLab Pro and CompositeLab Pro are a fantastic (and cheap) route to go rather than VisionLab HD.
if the price is right i would be very interested. not so much because i would not have to credit you. but mainly to get every possible option that the 2 pro version are offering in one application.
Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005, 7:12pm

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WOW great news guys!

I will most definately upgrade EffectsLab DV to PRO and i will upgrade Chromanator straight up to CLab Pro smile

Really graet news guys, keep it up, can't wait for the release smile

dalder
Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005, 7:12pm

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[quote="schwar"]We are considering a fantastic VisionLab HD price for people who own both EffectsLab Preview and Chromanator... Out of interest, how many people would be interested in this?

I'd be interested in this if the price is 'Fantastic' enough!
Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005, 7:19pm

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haha XD AWESOME!
You guys are really really ... is there a better word than fantastic?

But... do I think correctly if I say "If I buy VisionLabs, I don't need Clab Pro and ELab pro". If yes... well... then I found myself another xmas gift ^^
Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005, 7:23pm

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I make 6 US dollars an hour.
Anything over a hundred dollars is alot of money to me. I plan on upgrading Chomonator and EffectsLab to Pro, but if you can bring VisionLab down I will do my best to scrap up some change for it.

£239*1.72=411 US dollars.
$411/6=68.5 Hours of devoted hard work.

"FXhome aims to give everybody the power to harness their own creativity, without being restricted by budgetary concerns." -The company FAQ

You have already done more than enough, but if you can bring the price down I would greatly appreciate it. Regardless, I will be a loyal CSB user.

-CJ-
Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005, 7:28pm

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Would it be possible to have a direct feature comparison list, so we can see what we would be getting and not getting when purchasing any of the programs?

NFS
Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005, 7:31pm

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Some one just posted about this over at TFN so I'm just sharing (a slightly rephrased) reply here too.....


Very good move FXHome!
This should really carve out your niche of the market in a solid way.

I really really wish you would just drop the whole hyperbole-style hype poured into these annoucements, but other than that it looks like you've done a fantastic job of segmenting functionality and, most importantly, pricing.

Having a really low cost "DV" line is great for completely pulling away from comparissons to AE. (finally! I know you've aways said this, but boards (esp. TFN) seemed to compare these products all the time. EffectsLab DV/CompositingLab DV is CLEARLY not an AE contender so hopefully these silly comparissons will come to an end. )

"Pro" is a bit of a stretch in terminalogy for these tools since they seem to lack many of the core feature that pro-grade apps employ these days (motion graphics animation tools, 3D, lighting & shadows, tracking, API for 3rd party programmers, etc. ... well these things don't seem to be mentioned here anyway) but in the end it's just a marketing term to distinquish HD versions from the DV ones. Fair enough.

Perhaps best of all, it looks like these apps are essentially ready for release, showing you have learned well from the history of declaring a products release dates months in advance only to have chronic completion and delivery delays. FANTASTIC MOVE !!!!

Looking more and more like this company is really finding itself, maturing and settling into it's corner of the market quite well.
CONGRATS ON A JOB WELL DONE FXHOME TEAM !!
Best of luck to you!

As always....
Have fun.
Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005, 7:37pm

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nfsbuff wrote:

Would it be possible to have a direct feature comparison list, so we can see what we would be getting and not getting when purchasing any of the programs?
Definately, we'll be providing that kind of information soon, as well as focused spotlights on specific areas of each program.
Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005, 7:49pm

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Thanks Tarn smile I'm really looking forward to using these programs in SG2's production.
Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005, 8:13pm

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Will try and sort this out a little bit..

VisionLab HD =
• COMMERCIAL LICENCE (this means you don't have to credit us)
• EffectsLab Pro & CompositeLab Pro (in 1 program)
• A few very special grading filters
• 1 timeline workflow (more grading power over your effects than EffectsLab Pro)
• Dedicated fast track support forum (although our support is always great)
• First try of additional filters and functions next year (some will filter in to Pro and DV apps)

So thats a pretty great bit of software. The major additional cost here is in the licence - this is a package for studios and other professional. It is also a great package for consumers who want to be on the cutting edge of what we are working on.

For this reason we've offered the deals for EffectsLab Preview users to upgrade and Chromanator users. Anyone who owns both products will be able to get an even larger discount.

My advice is to wait for the full features list and see if DV, Pro of VisionLab HD really are the right program for you - we are pretty sure we have just about every level covered.
Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005, 8:22pm

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schwar wrote:



For this reason we've offered the deals for EffectsLab Preview users to upgrade and Chromanator users. Anyone who owns both products will be able to get an even larger discount.
YES!

When is the competition deadline though? Because if I can try and win a free copy of VisionLab, then I wouldn't buy it until im sure I didn't win... but by that time the special december discount would be gone...
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Wow. This all sounds great. My only question is:

Will there be educational discounts?

I saw a "Education" and "Commercial" button in the Chromonator area, but to this day, every time I click on it it says the page doesn't exist.

So educational discounts or no?

-Landon
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I'm little confused, if I have Effectslab DV preview, will I have to pay to upgrade to normal effectslab DV or is pro the step above the preview??

-Ping
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schwar wrote:

even larger discount
OH YEAH.

Pingpeppy - No. The upgrade to EffectsLab DV Full is free. You only have to pay if you want to take the next step up and get Pro, which will cost you a small amount of money.
Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005, 8:36pm

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pingpeppy wrote:

I'm little confused, if I have Effectslab DV preview, will I have to pay to upgrade to normal effectslab DV or is pro the step above the preview??

-Ping
If you have the preview version of eLab you get a free upgrade to the normal version. The pro version is above the normal version and then there's VisionLab, which is basicly eLab pro and cLab pro combined with a comercial license and more updates.

So yes, you get a free update to eLab DV

-Landon
Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005, 8:37pm

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..."The major additional cost here is in the licence "

What would be nice is if there was a version of Vision Lab which didn't include a commercial license. Instead, the product would somehow automatically add the FXHome credit onto the end of the rendered movie file. Then we could have the benefit of doing everything in one progam, but for much cheapness! (The one program thing really appeals to me.)

It's nice to be a dreamer....... =)
Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005, 8:56pm

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I was just going to upgrade Chromy-->CompositeLab but if there is a substantial discount for owners of AlamDV,Chromanator, and Effectslab to VisionLab count me in.
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VisionLab looks to $$$$ for me right now, but the special offer on existing EL users to ELpro is too good to pass up.
Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005, 9:18pm

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How about a discount for long-time fans of FXhome, who haven't had the money (or the right projects to justify it) to purchase previous software, but are ready now and have helped with advertising by posting the news in major related forums???

What about under those conditions? wink

http://boards.theforce.net/fan_films/b10015/22480467/p1/?2
http://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=286050
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Heh, thanks thefiddler. It means a lot to us that people are so interested in the new products!
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This is great, but I want contest news ASAP. I want to get a head start and I don't know when it is due, or any special other rules. Make sure one rule is: no WMV. smile I will upgrade my Chromy + EL to VisionLab as an XMas present. smile
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Ok, here’s my high definition question. I ask it after the chat but only got into a lively discussion of the virtues of 23.98 fps vs. 24 fps, which while being pleasant did not answerer my question.

Please excuse my ignorance but I don’t really know a lot about high def, so here goes. I am making a stop motion and shooting it on a still camera and have been resizing and cropping the frames to 1280x720 tiffs, which I understand is the lower spectrum of much coveted high definition resolution. In both Effects Lab DV and Chomy I have been able to make custom settings (mine are 1280x720 23.98 fps P Square Pixels 4:4:4). Now that the hi-def packages have been released I was wondering if custom settings in my range will still be supported by the lower DV line. As of now I think at most I’ll be able to upgrade to the latest version of Chromy but cannot, at the present afford the High Def or Vision Labs. I’m guessing that there is some kind of high def compression that the high def packages support, which of course I know nothing about coming from a background of stop motion and uncompressed tiffs.

I don’t want to hurt FX home, but I love there products because of the power and affordability. If all goes well with my current project and I can movie my animation to the next level I will be getting Vision Labs, but right now the word is 'baby steps'. And I cannot afford or justify that kind of leap.
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is vision lab gonna be slower cause its running so much stuff?

either i will most definitley be getting it.
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Further to SlothPaladin's questions, are we talking support/compatibility for proper HD, or just HDV 1 and HDV 2?
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There are big bugs in EffectsLab Preview working over DV resolution, specifically with masks and neon effect.

It was only made to handle DV res, the fact that you've managed to get around this and have not suffered any ill effects is pretty lucky/cool biggrin.

When the new software is released, if you want to continue working in this resolution, be fully supported and have no problems it would be best to upgrade to the Pro version of both applications (£49.99 for the CompositeLab Pro upgrade and £24.99 for the EffectsLab Pro upgrade until next year).

EffectsLab Pro, CompositeLab Pro and VisionLab HD support full HD and HDV resolutions. All the apps become less speedy at higher resolutions (as you would expect) but VisionLab HD is no slower than EffectsLab DV or CompositeLab DV when working on the same media.

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schwar wrote:

We are considering a fantastic VisionLab HD price for people who own both EffectsLab Preview and Chromanator... Out of interest, how many people would be interested in this?
I would definitely be interested in this. I am seriously considering going straight to the big boy, but any additional discount would help a bunch!
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schwar wrote:

It was only made to handle DV res, the fact that you've managed to get around this and have not suffered any ill effects is pretty lucky/cool biggrin.
Working at this resolution is slower and more buggy, however Effect Labs seems to deal with the upper resolutions like a champ, chromy chrases while panning on zoomed in images. I think I may be able to upgrade to CompositeLab Pro as I can see using it a bit more then Effect Labs, all I really need out EL is the partical generater and I have done tests at even higher resolutions then 1280x720 and it worked well.
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That sounds awesome! EL DV has the optic engine right?
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DEMOS!? I gotta see how great these things REALLY are. (I know, after I try it I'm probably gonna end up robbing 299 euros (how many dollars?) from the bank or something. "GET AWAY FROM MY VISIONLAB! IT'S MINE!"
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darkhelmetman wrote:

DEMOS!? I gotta see how great these things REALLY are. (I know, after I try it I'm probably gonna end up robbing 299 euros (how many dollars?) from the bank or something. "GET AWAY FROM MY VISIONLAB! IT'S MINE!"
299.99 euros is around $520 US dollars. It looks amazing, but outta my price range. I'm gonna buy EL DV and maybe upgrade to Pro during the summer maybe.
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I'm sorry; You must understand that I just don't have the luxury of spending a fantastic amount of time reading every single thread and every single response at that. That being said, I'm initially confused.

So there is a Composite Lab DV, (er, standard) an HD and a PRO as well..?

I'm excited and overwhelmed at the same time regarding special pricing for upgrades and the like.

I have purchased and enjoy all of CSB Digital's products. I guess I have a bit of research to do...

Word.
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will visionlab hd feture dv compatability caise im thinking of switching to hd but just incase i wont
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iggy88 wrote:

So there is a Composite Lab DV, (er, standard) an HD and a PRO as well..?
There are two new versions.

EffectsLab DV and EffectsLab Pro.

Pro supports HD. Same thing with CompositeLab, two versions. PErhaps you're tihnking of the suite, VisionLab HD. I'm assuming they didn't use the "Pro" suffix because there would be ocnfusion as to whether or not they made a DV version of it. Nonetheless, Pro and HD suffixes support HD, DV supports lower resolutions than HD. Nuff said.
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Lior wrote:

will visionlab hd feture dv compatability caise im thinking of switching to hd but just incase i wont
Just to be absolutely clear:

VisionLab HD - supports DV and HD footage

EffectsLab DV - supports DV footage
EffectsLab Pro - supports DV and HD footage

CompositeLab DV - supports DV footage
CompositeLab Pro - supports DV and HD footage
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Heres my biggest concern, whats the difference between buying VisionLab or buying both Clab and Effects lab, becuase the price diffence is alot (Vlab vs. buying both of the other 2), and from what i have seen the only difference is that with vision lab 1 prog does both things. So i would really appreciate it if you could clarify the difference between programs becuase if vision lab is roughly 150 pounds more than just buying the 2 programs i would like to kno what visionlab has extra thats worth the extra 150
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also im wondering how big the discount will be on if you have eLab and Chromy, cause it would be cheaper probley to buy chromy then upgrade to vLab. If the price still stays at $411...im not going to be able to do it. i wish there was a version of vLab that was without the licence...i would gladly credit fxhome.com for all the wonderfull work they do for us.

if you agree there should be a non licenced version, say "i" haha

i love you guys.
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Your paying for having the two together, the license, and to be the first to get upgrades/help.
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It was awesome asking questions and thanks for the announcements!! biggrin

(*hmph* I'm not getting Composite Lab Pro until I know what CSB means! lol J/K)
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Sniped wrote:

Heres my biggest concern, whats the difference between buying VisionLab or buying both Clab and Effects lab, becuase the price diffence is alot
Schwar answered this a little earlier in the thread:

schwar wrote:

VisionLab HD =
• COMMERCIAL LICENCE (this means you don't have to credit us)
• EffectsLab Pro & CompositeLab Pro (in 1 program)
• A few very special grading filters
• 1 timeline workflow (more grading power over your effects than EffectsLab Pro)
• Dedicated fast track support forum (although our support is always great)
• First try of additional filters and functions next year (some will filter in to Pro and DV apps)

So thats a pretty great bit of software. The major additional cost here is in the licence - this is a package for studios and other professional. It is also a great package for consumers who want to be on the cutting edge of what we are working on.
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yeah i know this, but schwar made it sound like the licence was a big part of what you were paying for... i would just wish there was a non licened version.
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If only I had $500 dollars or what ever the us conversion is. Only if. OH the possibilities. Oh well I dont!
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fiverfilms5 wrote:

yeah i know this, but schwar made it sound like the licence was a big part of what you were paying for... i would just wish there was a non licened version.
A commercial licence is a huge deal, also have two programs in one is a huge deal making your effects much easer, plus every new widget comes to VisionLabs first. If I could afford it I would buy it, but right now I don't have the money, if you don't want to pay for it DON'T, FXhome is not forcing it on you.
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epeterson wrote:

If only I had $500 dollars or what ever the us conversion is. Only if. OH the possibilities. Oh well I dont!
You do know its only about $415 if you already own the EffectsLab Preview, right? That's a whole $75 cheaper. Still you're right, its a lot more money than the DV/Pro apps, but it just might be worth it. If I decide not to get VisionLab, you guys do have my promise that I'll purchase both Pro applications.

-Landon
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so what is the program prices in USD$?
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1 British pound = 1.7148 U.S. dollars
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will there be upgrade prices to go to pro for those who own the regular version?
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schwar wrote:


VisionLab HD =
• COMMERCIAL LICENCE (this means you don't have to credit us)
• EffectsLab Pro & CompositeLab Pro (in 1 program)
• A few very special grading filters
• 1 timeline workflow (more grading power over your effects than EffectsLab Pro)
• Dedicated fast track support forum (although our support is always great)
• First try of additional filters and functions next year (some will filter in to Pro and DV apps)
You got yourself another costumer again ^^
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I'm sorry, CSB... but to me it almost looks like you're advertising to suckers. 500 some dollars is fine and all, but it seems like a slap in the face to people who have come to expect very reasonably priced software that performs well.

To me, this doesn't seem like enough of an upgrade to warrant the near three times the originals price. I think Motion can do most of the same things this software can do, but for less than half the price. I'm sorry to say that I don't see how an independent company like your own can compete with that, what with a price like you're presenting.

Of course, if you're not attempting to compete in that market (Motion, After Effects, what have you), the software would do well with people who want a quick(er) easy(er) software than something like After Effects, but not motion because Apple is gay (but i <3 my mac mini keke >_<). So they could go for it.

But! It really seems like you're trying to compete in the "pro" market, and if you're not, then I don't think you should.

My two cents.
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"Chromanator -> VisionLab HD £259.99
EffectsLab DV (preview) -> VisionLab HD £239.99

Chromanator -> CompositeLab DV = £24.99
Chromanator -> CompositeLab Pro = £49.99

EffectsLab DV -> EffectsLab Pro = £24.99 "

I have not the time tonight to sift through all the pages, so forgive if duplicate question. How much is it to upgrade from the EffectsLab preview verion to the EffectsLab Pro? I'm upgrading no matter what, just curious.
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Z28Jerry wrote:

"Chromanator -> VisionLab HD £259.99
EffectsLab DV (preview) -> VisionLab HD £239.99

Chromanator -> CompositeLab DV = £24.99
Chromanator -> CompositeLab Pro = £49.99

EffectsLab DV -> EffectsLab Pro = £24.99 "

I have not the time tonight to sift through all the pages, so forgive if duplicate question. How much is it to upgrade from the EffectsLab preview verion to the EffectsLab Pro? I'm upgrading no matter what, just curious.
you can update from the preview to the regular for free, so there is no difference between preview - pro or regular- pro.

also, if you have both chromy and elab, is there a disount twoards visionlab?
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I'm sorry, CSB... but to me it almost looks like you're advertising to suckers. 500 some dollars is fine and all, but it seems like a slap in the face to people who have come to expect very reasonably priced software that performs well.
Aculag - I 100% disagree!

CompositeLab Pro and EffectsLab Pro together have most of the features (like 95% or more) of VisionLab HD. We have been constantly trying to push this fact since the programs were announced.

We won't just be working on VisionLab HD and letting these other applications suffer, we will be giving the owners of VisionLab HD the chance to beta test new functions before they filter down the range to Pro and sometimes DV. Having real studio users advise on the functions in our products can only create a better experience for consumers when the new stuff filters down the range.

We were set up to make visual effects affordable, easy and high-quality for the consumer and thats what we are doing. More so with our new range than EVER before.

VisionLab HD is a professional application for commercial useage - if you don't need a commercial licence (i.e. you can credit FXhome.com in your projects just like people should have with all our previous software) then get the Pro versions. I keep saying this but there seem to be a lot of really nice supportive people who think we deserve more money for the time we've put in to these applications.

The point of the licence scheme is to keep things cheap for people who want these kind of effects for their home movies or film makers who can credit FXhome.com in their projects (even if they wish to sell them). Thats most (if not all) of the people on this site.

Motion is a great application, but it can't run on half the current Mac range let alone any highend Macs which are over 2 years old! VisionLab HD will run on a much wider range of hardware and buyers will have direct contact with the developers and better support.

VisionLab HD (and CompositeLab and EffectsLab) offers engines and filters which are not available in any other program at any price - therefore it has been priced against plugins you might have to buy for After Effects of FCP to get near to the functionality. The engines and grading filters in VisionLab HD are worth $1000s as plugins for these programs so we think we came to a great price for professionals where VisionLab HD can be another tool they use for specific effects.

As for the prices of the DV and Pro programs, I think they are really cheap and we have been advised to make them much higher - but that would have been against what we are trying to do here at FXhome.com
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I think the price is fairly reasonable, although there are alot of younger users here who just simply can't afford it. Some peeps here get these programs as presents for their birthday or christmas. I don't think that £299 is expensive and said this in a different thread, in fact i asked why is it so cheap, but i never got an answer. I can understand why some people here are shocked at the price, but i personally think its a fair one. I just won't be able to get VL untill feb because im buying so much equipment for my project, but i will be getting this. But maybe it's because you done such good deals and supplied cheap software all around the £60 mark, it's a shock to see a new product at £300. It's a debate that will go on no doubt, but anyone who uses NLE and 3d packages should expect a price like this.
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But you don't have to buy a £299.99 product unless you really need to be able to not apply the FXhome.com credit!

Almost everyone on FXhome.com would do just as well with the Pro versions of CompositeLab and EffectsLab. I'll try not to say that again biggrin
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we all love fxhome.com and would want to credit it even if we didn't have to, well i will anyway.

im even going to put a link to it on my website smile
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Rating: +3

Here are some general notes about all the new products, I hope this helps people work out what is what:


The DV Range

• Ideal for beginners.
• Ideal for people having fun in their backyard or with mates.
• Ideal for young people on tiny budgets (or no budgets!).

Both EffectsLab DV and CompositeLab DV are more powerful than anything we've released in the past, so are superb value for money.

The Pro Range

• Perfect for people taking the next step.
• Perfect for students.
• Perfect for people with small budgets.
• Perfect for people with specific needs (ie, maybe you only need CompositeLab Pro, or only EffectsLab Pro - you don't need both).

More features, including many advanced pro ones, but still at superb prices. If you're already established and want to take your filmmaking further than just a bit of fun in the backyard, these are the ones for you.

VisionLab HD

• Aimed at professionals.
• Commercial licence, enabling full use as required.
• Combined functionality (which is more important than 'just having both programs' - having them working together simultaneously is a massive difference and benefit).
• More high-end pro features.
• Dedicated, fast after-sales support.
• Experience the latest developments first.
• Perfect for people with a budget.
• Perfect for people that are 'going career'.
• Perfect for studios.

For studios/filmmakers with budgets, VisionLab HD is still astoundingly good value.

For low budget or non-professionals, it seems expensive - that's why we're offering the DV and Pro versions. If you feel VisionLab HD is too expensive for your needs/budget, that's fine - check out the Pro or DV ranges.

I hope the above helps you all work out which product(s!) you should go for.
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Thanks Tarn, that was really helpful smile. There is no reason why small studios and film production companies can't use the Pro versions aslong as they credit thought is there?

I will upgrade both to Pro when they come out smile

dalder
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Yeah, as long as you put a credit in, you can use the Pro and DV versions however you like.
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How long between the time you can pre order the 'pro versions' and the expiry for the discount?? i dont wanna miss it, if its only going to be a few days
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schwar wrote:

We are considering a fantastic VisionLab HD price for people who own both EffectsLab Preview and Chromanator... Out of interest, how many people would be interested in this?
I'm very intrested in this wink even if I got VisionLab I'd still credit you guys (longer credits make the movie look more professional =P
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I am sorry if this sounds wierd but; is the pro version completly equivilent to the 299 package other than the licence?
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Check this out:

http://fxhome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=206051#206051

It contains an overview of the programs and what kind of filmmaker they are all aimed at.

This post contains information on the Pro range and VisionLab HD:

http://fxhome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=205852#205852

VisionLab HD contains all the functionality of both Pro applications in a single interface, plus some extra exclusive filters, a commercial licence etc (see those posts linked above for more details).

You can also find additional information in the webchat transcript:

http://fxhome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=205668#205668

Let us know if anbody has a question that hasn't been answered yet!
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Perhaps this question is looking too far ahead, but here goes.
Will there be upgrade discounts for users of ELpro or CLpro (or both) to VLHD, for those of us who may currently need (or can only afford) just the consumer versions of the software, but in the future might want to upgrade to the next level?

And my question about alamdv2 users still holds: will there be an upgrade discount?
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It would be... excellent if there was a special upgrade price for EffectsLab Preview and Chromanator users!
(I am on a fairly tight budget)
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Guys - great news!! I'm really happy to see FXHome go the next step and have an industry standard software out there!

I've spent the last half hour reading all the posts in this topic, and I feel sorry for you: you've had to repeat the same things about twenty-six times.

I feel that it is really good the way it is, and that you have done an excellent job in making it accessible to all sorts of users, from the no-budget, to professionals working on some full scale production!

I was thinking about going for VisionLab, but after reading all the above posts I see that I don't need that sort of power and control myself. I'll be happy using both pro apps, and just putting up with the problem of two different pieces of software (and I think it's fair to keep the integration of the apps only to the commercial license buyers!!).

What has really come across is that you guys are now in total control. You're not struggling or panicking about release dates, and you're not trying to force people who only require what is in the pro apps to buy VisionLab HD!

Hope all goes well, and I am really looking forward to this launch date! One question - will this date just come, or will it be announced beforehand? Either way is great. Becaue one way you'll be in anticipation, and the other will just be a blast of excitement when you click on to see a new designed website with all the apps available!!

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Thanks for your comment Exclamation and I'm glad you like the look of the Pro applications. Dec is gonna be a great month!
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If I've just purchased 3 copies of effectslab-preview, like 2 days ago, do i get a free upgrade to the pro-version?


--PLEEZ?--
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schwar wrote:

Aculag - I 100% disagree!
No way! Really? Heh. It wouldn't be very good advertising on your part if you agreed with me, would it?

I suppose only time will tell how well this software does in the Pro market. I of course wish you guys luck, but at the same time, I'm skeptical. No offense, though.
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Aculag - I was mainly taking issue with your comments on price and that its a "slap in the face to people who have come to expect very reasonably priced software that performs well".

The DV and Pro applications at £64.99 and £89.99 are very reasonably priced and perform amazingly well. I can see that VisionLab HD might seem expensive to consumers - that is why we have the DV and Pro range.

Thanks for the support all the same. biggrin
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Hi Guys! I wish you every success for the future with your new product range. Just out of curiousity, what is your marketing plan/strategy? Are you planning on assaulting all the digital media magazines with review copies? Advertising?

Please disregard my question if it is too intrusive but, like I said, I'm just curious, it would be interesting to see some reviews of VisionLab in the magazines.
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We're gonna be pushing EffectsLab Pro and CompositeLab Pro the most as we want FXhome.com to stand for powerful consumer software.

The main release (press release, magazine reviews, partnerships) is next year - you guys are getting everything early! smile

We hope any money we can make in this FXhome.com only release period will allow us to make a really big push next year.

Thanks for your support, it means a lot to us.
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I currently own EffectsLab and Chromanator. You asked for people to say if they'd be interested in buying VisionLab if a discount for owners of the above were offered. Yes, I would be interested.

It looks like you've created some great software and thought about ALL your user base. Even with the discount (whatever it is) I will probably find it a little difficult to scrape the money for VisionLab, especially this time of year, but I think you deserve the support and I know I'm getting good value.
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yeah it's awsome! i think the FXTeam should make a 5 minute movie before the programs come out or when they come out just to show us what we'll be looking at!
Posted: Fri, 2nd Dec 2005, 9:39pm

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Will there be demo versions (as there are now) of the new packages, particularly VLab?
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Not quite understanding the delay in letting us know the price for the big app if we own both Effects Lab and Chromy? Just a tease.....?

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I just want to wish the best of luck to FXhome, venturing out into the pro market should surely be a challenge, and one which i hope they can emerge victorious from.

I will certainly be purchasing both Pro packages, and maybe (just maybe!) i'll win Vision Lab in the contest wink.

Good luck Fxhome, i'll be here,
TimmyD

PS: I posted an advertisement thingy here: http://www.macaddict.com/forums/topic/74166 !!!

PPS: If you dont like it, tell me to change it.
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Rating: +1

We're aiming for the upgrade price to be as follows :-

EffectsLab Preview + Chromanator -> VisionLab HD = £199.99 (until the new year)

Basically £100 less than the full regular price which is a really good deal.

This is not confirmed yet (we have to clear it with the shareholders) but this is the aim. They should let us provide it this low for a short amount of time if we give them a bit of hassle. biggrin

I remind you that the Pro versions are much cheaper and fantastic for consumers or professionals willing to include FXhome.com credits in their projects.

We will be making a full feature list soon so you can see the exact differences between all the programs and their features.

TimmyD : Thanks for posting in that other forum for us - its a really good post biggrin

If anyone else is thinking of posting news about the new products on other forums it would help us even more if you can wait for the release. That way the new site, products and product information will be online for visitors to view (and they can head straight to the shop to buy the software if they like it) wink
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schwar wrote:

Aculag - I was mainly taking issue with your comments on price and that its a "slap in the face to people who have come to expect very reasonably priced software that performs well".

The DV and Pro applications at £64.99 and £89.99 are very reasonably priced and perform amazingly well. I can see that VisionLab HD might seem expensive to consumers - that is why we have the DV and Pro range.

Thanks for the support all the same. biggrin
Does VisionLabHD greatly out perform (in terms of usage) Chromanator/Effects Lab? Just curious.
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schwar wrote:

TimmyD : Thanks for posting in that other forum for us - its a really good post biggrin
Thanks-- I was going to recommend in the chat (you were idle) that once the programs have been released you submit them to MacAddict for reviewing (it may be free) because its good (and yet again possibly free) publicity, and from having over two years worth of those magazines, I can say that if you give them the right idea of the level you consider the programs to be in, they could be rated pretty high.

TimmyD
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Aculag - Nope, the main difference is the no credit licence. There are a couple of other differences most of which are listed here -> http://fxhome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=205908#205908

CompositeLab Pro and EffectsLab Pro together offer about 95% of what VisionLab HD offers. Its probably more than 95% but its hard to calculate as the programs can be used is so many ways, many even we don't know about yet. I also don't have a function list to hand - in terms of raw functions and filters its probably more like 97%.

They are all built on the same engine so bug fixing is much easier and can benefit all programs. They are therefore all equally fast as well, although we have some great ideas for making the programs even faster and these will appear in VisionLab HD Beta first - once fully resolved they'll filter in to the entire range.

VisionLab HD allows us to charge a more realistic market price for the software to commerical users while keeping nearly the same level of functionality for the consumer applications at a much lower price.

Of course, we have to balance the application so that nobody feels like they are getting a raw deal. I think we have done that by the restrictions of the licence for DV/Pro user, the integration of the applications in VisionLab HD, a few added high-end grading filters and an enchanced support structure.

Rather than simply stripping features (which would be bad) we've tried to smooth the workflow a little in HD and make the DV / Pro applications more dedicated to their specific purposes. We are a consumer software company after all and we intend to stay that way.

TimmyD - I'll make sure they are on our press release list.
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Having used VisionLab extensively for several months now, I can also say that having both eLab and cLab 'in one' is a massive performance increase. It's not just a matter of having all the features (which you could have by owning both programs individually) - having access to everything on a single timeline is a massive time saver, and really encourages creativity with mixing and matching absolutely any combination of filters and objects.

Just thought I'd add that to schwar's comments, as he's been too busy creating the program to fully appreciate what it's like to work with in real conditions. smile

So in that respect, yes, I'd say it does out-perform Chromanator/EffectsLab.
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I have EffectsLab (preview) & Chromanator. Having Vision Lab is an intriguing possibility for me, especially at a discounted price. Tarn summed up the allure of VisionLab: it's two applications in one, which is an enormous benefit.

I am very impressed with the new product line and the FXHome team (and its shareholders) willingness to underprice their products. FXHome is truly on the cutting edge because digital movie making is the future; the major studios sense this and are terrified by it.

FXHome's produces will enable filmmakers to realize their specific creative vision and will enable those filmmakers to have their works stand out.

All hail, FXHome!
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Ok well heres what it breaks down to

Chromanator -> CompositeLab Pro = £49.99
=$85.72 USD

EffectsLab DV -> EffectsLab Pro = £24.99
=$51.42 USD

That totals
$137.14 USD for me to upgrade BOTH EffectslabDv to Pro and Chromanator to CompositeLab Pro

Now Vision Lab HD is
EffectsLab DV (preview) -> VisionLab HD £239.99
= $411.53 USD

$411.53 - $137.14 = $274.39

So by buying Vision Lab i am paying $274.39 USD more than if i just upgraded the programs seperately. So unless the discount for having both Chromanator and Effectslab takes off an extra $250 USD then I guess that $275 is just for the license, which personally i would rather just credit FxHome
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Sniped wrote:

That totals
$137.14 USD for me to upgrade BOTH EffectslabDv to Pro and Chromanator to CompositeLab Pro

Now Vision Lab HD is
EffectsLab DV (preview) -> VisionLab HD £239.99
= $411.53 USD
A little earlier, schwar mentioned that they're hoping to provide an upgrade to VLab for people who have Chromy and EffectsLab DV Preview.

schwar wrote:

We're aiming for the upgrade price to be as follows :-

EffectsLab Preview + Chromanator -> VisionLab HD = £199.99 (until the new year)

Basically £100 less than the full regular price which is a really good deal.

This is not confirmed yet (we have to clear it with the shareholders) but this is the aim.
That £199.99 upgrade is about US$346, which brings the difference down to about US$200 instead of US$275.

Sniped wrote:

Then is it really worth it to spend $275 to just have to programs combined into one, and for the license? Basically im just curious if Visionlab has features that the other two programs dont, such as color grading or other special features only on VisionLab
I'm sure the FXhome guys will be posting detailed product specifications soon, and hopefully that will help you make your decision. smile But Tarn posted a good summary of the differences.

CLab Pro and ELab Pro is a very good option because you get most of the features at a fantastic, consumer price.

But, as Tarn mentioned, it's important not to underestimate how useful it is to have all the features rolled into one program (VLab). For instance, with 2 programs, you need to run them individually and render your projects individually. With VLab, you can have one project with all the objects on the one timeline and then render it once.
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wow i need a job to get friggin 299 pounds. in usd thats like almost 400
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Wow, things are getting a bit pricey.

I think I'll just get some hardware for Christmas.

Maybe a paycheck will go to upgrading to a pro EffectsLab or CompositeLab.

On the other hand, I don't want to spend that money knowing that I really want VisionLab, and cannot afford it.

Makes upgrading to the pro applications seem not worth it, while buying VisionLab is just too expensive for my budget.

Shucks...

Good luck with the new programs.
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"wow i need a job to get friggin 299 pounds. in usd thats like almost 400"

Its actually more like $512 USD.

While everyone's asking, any chance there will be any "special" before-the-end-of-the-year discounts on the full software price (non-upgrade)? For those who haven't already bought Fxhome software.

This new software's got me so excited I'd plunk down the money right now on EffectsLab Pro, if I could get some kinda deal on it. But, I know you guys have bills to pay too, and if there are only deals for upgraders, you'll probably get my money eventually anyway. It'll just be more like Feb. or March instead of now.
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Quick question (I don't think it has been answered...): Do you get more than 200 force points for buying vLab? (like 400-500?) It doesn't matter but I'm curious....
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justinjonesiscool wrote:

wow i need a job to get friggin 299 pounds. in usd thats like almost 400
since you own both EffectsLab Preview and Chromanator you might get it for £199.
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Just to say I don't envy the FXHome team on this one...

To have between 95-97% of the functionality in the pro products as compared to the Vision Lab one, then comparing the price difference (even on the deals comparing £75 (ish) - to £199) means that the team seem to be putting such a weight on this licensing issue.

It makes me wonder exactly why FXHome consider the licence such a big deal...

When talking about a "professional" movie/product, any movie carries credits, be it Dolby or a variety of other trade marks, so would a pro really care if they had to stick a credit to FXHome on the end? Not being a professional I'm not sure, but if so, I'm suprised...

This leads me to believe that Schwar may be playing down the importance or workflow savings of the Vision lab to make sure the team don't alienate the budget home user. But this then has the danger as mentioned elsewhere of alienating those that invest in the Visionlab.

I appreciate it's all my choice, and that as a home user there is no obligation on me to buy anything, at the moment I am in a fortunate pposition whereby I could perhaps afford the £199 price (afford yes, justify - maybe not!), and as we all know about life, this position will not last, so I have to make my mind up quite quickly.

But it would be annoying as heck to find that after investing in the FXHome team (I know I'm getting the product but it's also the way the company builds), the benefits to me would be a mere 3% difference in functionality with little difference between the end result (again read above: I know I'm under no obligation...).

So, my question comes down to this...Can people fortunate to invest fully into the product be assured that as premium customers (not trying to offend, but trying to talk clearly and without sitting on the fence), Visionlab users will be getting a better technical based deal (as said, the licence issue I'm suprised at being such a big financial incentive), with perhaps increasing functionality (example: Quite large differences between Photoshop and Photoshop elements, or Adobe After Effects standard and Pro).

Thanks (please - no insult intended to anyone!)

Kev McP
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Alrighty... Effects Lab Pro is on my Christmas list... i'll probably end up buying CL Pro with my own stash of cash though. But like what rogolo said, whats the force point situation for these things, anyway?
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kevinmcpoland wrote:

It makes me wonder exactly why FXHome consider the licence such a big deal...

When talking about a "professional" movie/product, any movie carries credits, be it Dolby or a variety of other trade marks, so would a pro really care if they had to stick a credit to FXHome on the end? Not being a professional I'm not sure, but if so, I'm suprised...
You're not thinking this through man. If you work for a studio, there are all kinds of situations where no credits should (or even could) be made. The most obvious is a TV commercial. Ever see credits on the end of a 30 second or one minute spot?

kevinmcpoland wrote:

This leads me to believe that Schwar may be playing down the importance or workflow savings of the Vision lab to make sure the team don't alienate the budget home user. But this then has the danger as mentioned elsewhere of alienating those that invest in the Visionlab.
I don't think he's down-playing anything. He stated very clearly that their focus is on the home user/amature that they started out to serve. I can only assume that there is a huge workflow advantage to doing it all in one program, but I also assume that will up the learning curve as well, because now you're able to interact with your video in a lot more ways then you would if just learning EffectsLab or CompositeLab. Even if you own both, the separate programs allow you to compartmentalize as you learn.
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By far the biggest use of all effects and compositing applications is in the advertising market NOT the film or TV market. The advertising sector is massive.

High-end adverts have the biggest budgets of any media projects (per minute) and there is no way that credits can be contained. This is why the no-credit licence is important with VisionLab HD.

I've not managed to find very much I can do in VisionLab HD that I can't do in CompositeLab Pro and EffectsLab Pro together. The workflow is nicer when its one program, but its still fantastic and simple in the Pro apps.

If I was going to buy this software for personal use I think I would get the Pro versions, they are just great value for money and so powerful.

If I was going to be making adverts and other commercial videos where credits were going to be an issue I would get VisionLab HD and still think its great value.

I think its best to look at the final features lists when they come up rather than saying more here.
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hello all~

so i guess when i think about it, fxhome.com and all the guys behind it has really kind of (sounds cheesy) changed my life...because i wouldnt prob. be so into moviemaking without a software tool that could help me express my feelings. i think it is fair to make suggestions about prices and stuff but when you really think about it, they are putting a fair price for the high end software, like vLab, but at the same time, sticking to what fxhome.com is all about...making high preformance software at reasonable prices.

so i guess you should really take time to think what these guys has done for you before you bash them or anything... i would like to see you guys make software like this. lol.

cant wait for the release...i prob check fxhome.com 8 times a day JUST INCASE it comes out.

sorry if i sounded mad in earlyier posts.

fiverfilms
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schwar wrote:

If I was going to buy this software for personal use I think I would get the Pro versions, they are just great value for money and so powerful.

If I was going to be making adverts and other commercial videos where credits were going to be an issue I would get VisionLab HD and still think its great value.

I think its best to look at the final features lists when they come up rather than saying more here.
Yeah, at first I was so estatic about VisionLab I felt I absolutly had to have it. But the more I think about it, I realize its probably better to just get both pro apps. So most likely, both pro apps for me, and maybe VisionLab next year. To me though, the whole license deal doesn't amke a difference (I just want to be the first person to get their hands on motion tracking.)

Speaking of which, will there be motion tracking in the pro versions later on?

-Landon
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Do we have any new info on this contest?

I'm still witholding my decision to upgrade or buy any of the new programs, as I'm still wondering whether the competion deadline will be before the special december deals end.
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thefiddler,

yup, you are definately right on the first point! I hadn't thought about the advert market at all!. As stated, not being a professional, my "tinkering" has always been confined to experimentation for when I make a blockbuster movie. Adverts just never cross my mind, so I stand corrected.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the 2nd point you took out of my post though. Re-reading some of the posts, even Tarn states "I can also say that having both eLab and cLab 'in one' is a massive performance increase" and "Just thought I'd add that to schwar's comments, as he's been too busy creating the program to fully appreciate what it's like to work with in real conditions." In my experience (not just of Vid software), a massive performance increase is partly because the learning curve is easier, not harder.

My original post line was "Just to say I don't envy the FXHome team on this one... ", and I still stand by that. Schwar I believe is in a position of having a fantastic application (probably why this bombshell was never announced and during the Web chat was saved as the last suprise), but he just can't brag about how great it is without sounding dismissive of the individual programs. We are and have been a very fickle crowd on occassion. Tarn, however is in the position where he can really say what he feels owing to his use of the applications (That's the feel I get from his posts).

Agreed, I may have completely misunderstood Tarn, and I don't for one minute think that he does not support the individuals progs, but I get the feeling he is a fan of the VisionLab thing more.

Ultimately, it may be because the licence issue has been new territory for me to consider that I have my nagging voice saying something "ain't right". Again as said I just look around at nearly all the other apps on the market that differentiate between 2 versions (I mentioned Photoshop/Photoshop Elements and After Effects Standard/After Effetcs Pro), and the difference is really noticeable. With the FXHome labs, they are creating new area's which blur the distinction....

Nice to be able to discuss...

Kev McP
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kevinmcpoland wrote:

Agreed, I may have completely misunderstood Tarn, and I don't for one minute think that he does not support the individuals progs, but I get the feeling he is a fan of the VisionLab thing more.
Not at all, I'm a fan of all our new programs. And I don't just say that as someone that worked on them, or as a marketing man, but as a dabbling filmmaker.

All the programs are great and really enhance just about any production. Choosing which ones are for you is about analysing your own needs, like I detailed in this post:

http://fxhome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=206051#206051

VisionLab is superb, if that's what you need. CompositeLab Pro is fantastic if you need powerful compositing. EffectsLab DV is brilliant if you're just starting out.

They're all powerful programs, and the key is to not feel obliged to get VisionLab HD. It's aimed squarely at professionals/studios/etc - if you don't fall into that category, then the Pro versions are perfect options.
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if i could afford to spend 300,

i would but it is a bit steep for me, sorry.

looks great though, i know alot of the pros on here will be buying it,

SMB
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Will there be any educational discounts? I really really want to buy this program, but where can i rustle up 500 dollars? even with the discounts of already owning chromanator etc, its gonna be tough saving up for that.
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It's already been mentioned numerous times that the Pro versions of the apps can accomplish 97 - 99% of what VisionLab HD does, for a fraction of the price.
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pooky wrote:

It's already been mentioned numerous times that the Pro versions of the apps can accomplish 97 - 99% of what VisionLab HD does, for a fraction of the price.
and i have also read those numerous times. but surly vlab is loads better for other reasons than what it does, its faster, easier, better support, etc..
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Faster - not that I know of...
Easier - same thing
Better support - the FXHome support is already fantastic

The only thing in it that would make us amateurs want it is the fact that it's one program.... but is that really worth a few hundred dollars? If you think it is, go ahead and buy it.
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pooky wrote:

Faster - not that I know of...
Easier - same thing
Better support - the FXHome support is already fantastic

The only thing in it that would make us amateurs want it is the fact that it's one program.... but is that really worth a few hundred dollars? If you think it is, go ahead and buy it.
well the fact that it is all in one makes it faster and easier. and yes, fxhome support is superb, the best i've seen anywhere, but apparently this is better.
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Will there be a discount for Chromanator and EffectsLab preview users to buy VisionLab HD?
If so, around what price?
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Another question: The computer that I'm thinking of buying vLab for is only 1.2 GHz and 768 MB of DDR SDRAM (iBook G4, 12-inch). Would vLab overload my system if I have a greenscreen shot with ~100-200 frames of muzzle flash, some artificial lighting (highlights and flashes), ~15 MB of stock footage, an animated lens flare, and some color correction? Obviously, I would be using the MAC version... smile

Also: How much force do we get for vLab? And is the discount for EL owners only effective till Jan. 1?
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I have been very busy lately with a few changes to my work schedule, and I missed the web chat, unfortunately. I have also not had much time to post in the forums, or read the posts for that matter, let alone finding the time to chat with you guys in the chat room.

I am hoping this will not be the case for too much longer, as I will be trying to make my schedule a little more FXhome friendly. Although I have not had much time, and may not get to enjoy these new programs as much as I would prefer (at least for a while), I am definitely going to be purchasing these new programs.

My plan is to get EffectsLab Pro, and CompositeLab Pro, as soon as they are available. VisionLab HD will have to be a purchase I make a little further down the road, as I still have bills to pay, but it will happen in due time.

I am not only pleased to hear about these new releases, but excited for you guys. This is a big step forward in the business world, and you guys are going to go much further. It is my hope that I will be there to see it happen, and support you guys along the way.

Great job guys.
Wizard.
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Well here's my take on the situation. First off if you haven't worked in a production environment you don't know how much time can be saved from using all-in-one apps and suites. I used to work with an avid system that you then had to take your files over to Boris FX or After Effects to do even the simplest composites. And these were multi thousand dollar applications. Then came along Final Cut Pro, having basic compositing and layers integrated into your NLE shaved literally hundreds of hours off of projects since then. If you are in a professional environment saving 2 minutes every hour from switching applications adds up quick. Plus the license agreement that allows you to not credit FXhome. It is an insane value looking at all the angles. That said I don't work in video except on home projects anymore so I'll be getting the Pro Versions, because

a. I have time to deal with the two applications.
b. I am easily able to credit fxhome.

For these reasons I can't justify the extra cost(minimal costs in my mind all things considered). But the Pro versions will work stupendously for my usage and probably 90% of the users as well. Most of you may not know this but fxhome letting you actually sell your work made with the Pro Apps and all they require is a credit is letting you off easy. Most student discounted applications do not allow you to make a profit due to the license(not saying it doesn't happen, just that legally most things you make can't be sold with an academic license).

I think the new apps look great. I think VisionLab HD occupies a great niche that when combined with Final Cut Studio your total cost is under 2 grand for an awesome suite of tools. 2000 buxx is pennies in the professional world. Hell I remember paying several hundred for a used copy of Strata Media Paint back in High School to do some personal projects, for what I paid back then for a rudimentary paint program you can get a whole suite of digital effects apps from fxhome now.

Pretty much if you don't need VisionLab for either time constraints or the license you don't need to buy it, and thats the tune I'm hearing from the developers(which gives them an A+ in my book, not trying to sell me something I don't need, in-fact going out of their way to make sure that we have reasonably price products for my needs).

Go FXhome.
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That is exactly our thinking macdude22! biggrin

Thanks for the great post and the support...
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Thanks, I don't normally post much around the forums but I had to quell some of these thoughts that FXhome is trying to rip us off and what not. I see it equivalent to Final Cut Studio. Academic Version is 699, license says you can't use it for profit. Regular version is 1299, license says you can use it for profit. Exact same program, different costs for different uses. Here at FXhome for the extra cost of VisionLab you get some extra functionality in addition to the license. Not only that but on your very reasonably priced lower end products you still give the right to use the product for profit. A steal in my mind. I understand many of us(myself included) are poor poor college students that can't afford VisionLab, but In reality VisionLab is the filet mignon of this gaggle of applications. It's nice and tasty but for most of us a reasonably priced sirloin will taste almost as good for a fraction of the price.
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hello all this is a questin or an idea for this line od product and i dont think it has been brought up earlier.

question:
the licence things that will be availlable with vision lab is basically that you are buying the "right" to not advertise fxhome. it does not change anything to the actual coding of the application from my understanding right?

Idea:
Assuming that i am right in the first assumption. why not then have your 6 application (3 dv and 3 pro) and have the licence being sold as a separate entity at a higher price? (even higher then the price that you pay for it now).

Alex
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Hi, I am intrested in getting the VisionLab version of your software.I just have a couple of questions:

A) How does the licence work in terms of upgrades? Such as when you get to a point where you need to charge an upgrade fee (to say VisionLab2) how much will that be priced at? and how long do you think the licence will render updates free. (for example I wouldn't want to be buying expensive updates every 6 months)

B) How will additional effects be developed? Will they always come from you or will you be making an API/SDK for third parties to develop for it? (it would be awsome if iy could support existing afterefects and photoshop plugins)

C) Are there plans to add some kind of noise generator and gradiant generator?

D) Are there plans to develop a 2D pixel tracking system within the software

E) I take it there is already some underlying 3D code (as seen in the rotating of the muzzle effects), How far will this be developed? As in will it be developed into 3D layers?

F) If you havn't already developed any of the above, would it be possible to give some kind of indication of a timeframe or roadmap for the develpment of VisionLab?

I am asking these questions as I am actually at the stage of purchasing some compositing software, and seriously considering getting this. I have been following fxhome since you gave a version of alamdv away free on a coverdisk years ago, and I am impressed with your licence and developing stratagies. But of course it is nice to know that some of the features I wish to use are being worked on smile

I look forward to your responce smile
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A) We think the lifespan of the new range will be 1.5-2 years. We can't say any firmer than that really. In this time there will be point released (1.1, 1.2, etc) which are free upgrades. Once we hit the next whole number (VisionLab HD 2) we will charge and upgrade fee.

B) We are thinking about allowing other companies to make plugins but, at the moment, we're not sure if and when this will happen. As we try and make software so cheap for the consumer it puts plugins makers in a complicated situation. How do you sell a plugins at $99-299 when our programs are so cheap? We won't be adding After Effects pluging support to this version of the program.

C) We have some simple noise generators in the program and a significatly more advanced one ready for release next year (its ready to be beta tested as soon as we get past this release).

D) We are working on a 2D tracking system which we will be beta testing next year, but we can not say when and if this will make it in to the program. If the beta testers don't like they way it works then we might have to go back to formula. We are doing our best to add this to the Pro and HD line next year but its something which is very hard on low quality interlaced footage - hence the amount of expensive (compared to our software) dedicated sollutions on the market.

E) CompositeLab DV/Pro and VisionLab HD all support perspective rendering of layers from release.

F) I hope I've given that information already. biggrin
Posted: Thu, 8th Dec 2005, 12:40am

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next year as in the start or the end smile

I take it that if i did buy vision lab then I would be able to beta the tracking/noise etc (or did you mean more of an alpha?)

Also I think it is quite important to allow plugins to be developed (and even a scripting engine) simply becuase if you want to enter the pro market then you quite often can't predict what wierd and random things they need (and often inhouse develop). Since After Effects adding a scripting engine it has had a big impact on its presence in some sectors.

This project is definatly designed at the advert/music video market, I think we would both agree that there are alot better solutions out there for feature lengh films (which large budgets)

Also how will the stock footage system that you are developing/developed be intigrated into it? Also is there a link to more details on that?

I will post up any questions I have and thank you for a speedy responce (at 12:10 at night, get some sleep)
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Also:

A) Does this mean that digigrade is now no longer being developed and instead intigrated into the compositing side of your tools?

B) How does the grading work? For example, if I have 2 shots but the lighting is abit different on each of them, if i apply the grading will the 2 shots be matched, or still slightly off (given that the base footage is different) If that makes sence?
Posted: Thu, 8th Dec 2005, 1:33am

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A) As we've said before, DigiGrade will depend on how well these products sell.

B) Best to wait for more details and try out the demo.
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What are the chances that there will be an extra special VisionLab HD price for people who both own Chromanator and EffectsLab DV?
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I don't know, depends on the chance of you going back into this thread and answering your own question...
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schwar wrote:

We are considering a fantastic VisionLab HD price for people who own both EffectsLab Preview and Chromanator... Out of interest, how many people would be interested in this?

I'm gonna say it one more time smile

For consumers who don't mind crediting FXhome.com EffectsLab Pro and CompositeLab Pro are a fantastic (and cheap) route to go rather than VisionLab HD.
I would then buy VisionLab for sure!
(Around what price can I expect)
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Well SlothPaladin said to check back through this thread but I've done it for you...

We're aiming for the upgrade price to be as follows :-

EffectsLab Preview + Chromanator -> VisionLab HD = £199.99 (until the new year)

Basically £100 less than the full regular price which is a really good deal.

This is not confirmed yet (we have to clear it with the shareholders) but this is the aim. They should let us provide it this low for a short amount of time if we give them a bit of hassle.
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Just a question: Will there be tutorials for these the day it comes out? Because I'll want to buy compositelab but I'll have no idea how to use it...
Posted: Fri, 9th Dec 2005, 6:17pm

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There won't be tutorials straight away, no, but there is a full manual (which has been designed to be as useful as possible) as well as a little quickstart overview of the interface in general.

If you read the overview then just experiment with the program, with the manual to the side in case you need backup, I'm sure you'll work it out pretty quick. Then we'll be looking to get tutorials up in the coming weeks.
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And when can we get it to experiment with? A hint, a clue?
All of my Christmas money is going fast. I may have to settle on the free one but I want Pro.

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rickblackmon wrote:

And when can we get it to experiment with? A hint, a clue?
All of my Christmas money is going fast. I may have to settle on the free one but I want Pro.

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There is no free one, there is a DV version.
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I have already paid for EL so I won't be out any more, however, I intend to get EL Pro.
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MAN ITS GOT TO COME OUT SOON I HOPE SO. biggrin
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I'm attempting to forsee the release date using super mind waves powered by a healthy breakfast of Xtreme-O's...
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I wan't to buy VisionLab, but I have absolutly no use for that license thing. As it has been said, it's great to have the apps all in one program. And I'm not alone, so why not release a copy of VisionLab that doesn't include the license? Or sell the license separately?
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Erfa wrote:

I wan't to buy VisionLab, but I have absolutly no use for that license thing. As it has been said, it's great to have the apps all in one program. And I'm not alone, so why not release a copy of VisionLab that doesn't include the license? Or sell the license separately?
yea, me too. If i could get a copy with about $100 off with out the liscense, and then get about 180 off for having chromanator and elab, thats 280. i can deffinatly buy it then.
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rickblackmon wrote:

And when can we get it to experiment with? A hint, a clue?
All of my Christmas money is going fast. I may have to settle on the free one but I want Pro.

frown
Well, in "the big one" lol they said

"btw, the new fxhome... before christmas on the same day as all the new apps"

So my money says December 24th at 11:59pm.
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We said "well before Christmas"...
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Yeah..I want the 2-in-1 program..but you know how I'm far away from selling any projects.

Even so, I would credit FXHome somewhere even if I had a commercial version. $345 makes me feel so-and-so about buying it. A non-commercial lisence where you properly credit FXHome would make me happier (not that I'm not happy, it would just make me even happier).

And if somehow we convinced you to do that, would we be able to get a discounted upgrade from the VisionLab non-commercial to the VisionLab commercial versions?
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There will not be a version of VisionLab HD without a commercial licence.

The Pro versions of EffectsLab and CompositeLab are the way to go for those who do not need the VisionLab HD licence or can not afford it.
Posted: Sun, 11th Dec 2005, 2:46pm

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schwar wrote:

The Pro versions of EffectsLab and CompositeLab are the way to go for those who do not need the VisionLab HD licence or can not afford it.
At the moment I will uppgrade to VisionLab HD only if I get it as a Christmas present. Otherwise I think I'll stick with the DV versions. I just want both apps in one, wich is the best thing with VisionLab. So why not release a version without the commercial license? I think a lot more people would take the step to VisionLab if you did...
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I don't think many of you quite get the big picture, VisionLab isn't designed for everyone to get. Much in the same way not everyone buys the big mama Final Cut Pro. Many stick with iMovie or Final Cut Express. VisionLab is the big professional app, with all the professional features and the professional license. We've all managed for this many years with out having AlamDV, EffectsLab, and Chrominator in one app. We'll manage for many more years. The distinction they have between their application lines right now is pretty reasonable. Look at other apps that will allow you to do the same things as EffectsLab(in many cases you'd have to have more than one). Something like Softimage starts at $500 and goes as high as $7000 for the most advanced version. The Primatte Keyer(which is what you'll need to be equal to start to equal CompositeLab) is $700, and to really equal CompositeLab you'll need something like Combustion which is $900. Folks VisionLab is cheap for all you get, and I really hope studios eat it up because the more FX Home makes on VisionLab, the more they can put into the apps for the rest of us. With the development costs the applications probably are garnering now, VisionLab is really going to subsidize the rest of the apps for us so we get great products and a low price.

FX has a great product line coming up set at reasonable prices. Just because we want the big mama application, doesn't mean we need or can afford it, but that's no reason for FX Home to lower the price too much. Plus it needs to be at its price so they can afford to provide the premium support to commercial clients. When a commercial client buys a product like VisionLab they demand immediate support(as time really is money). The extra cost built into VisionLab will allow FX Home to provide this enhanced support to these customers.
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Do you want a job macdude22? wink
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I don't know that I can afford the drive, the ocean might be a doosy. eek
I just feel that the direction of the company right now is a great one, great products with great prices with great developers. And I'll challenge anyone to fisticuffs who says otherwise smile
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To bad yall dont have a countdown clock lol I woud just watch it untill it stops at zero. wink
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Z28Jerry wrote:

So my money says December 24th at 11:59pm.
You're basing that on their past record. So far everything about this has been very different from everything that's happened here in the past. I'm fairly confident we'll see it in the next week or so. You can't go off the past here, it's all been new territory thus far.
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I was just trying to be tounge in cheek funny wink I do get an overall sense that they are steping up a level this go-'round. If they didn't it would be suicide so they have no choice but to put out now.
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I still remember the old days when CSB-Digital (now FXHome) released AlamDV 1 smile
Nice work and perseverance so far, your work is very appreciated!
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Do you need a commercial license to sell your work made with the program?

AND

Will any of the programs stay for sale (in date) even after the newer versions of them are being sold?

Will Chromanator be out of date because of CompositeLab?

.....or will Chromanator still be for sale even with CompositeLab selling?
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It looks to me like this time they announced it right, about when they are done witht he programs. I think right now they are just touching up and implementing everything into the new site with all of the new apps. I don't think they would straight up say "well before Christmas" if they weren't done, they have learned. Chromanator was in "Coming Soon" status before this version of FXHome.com even spawned (it might've even been before FXHome.com.) That, and Alam DV2 movies are the only reason I even found and stuck at this site, it interested me as a 13 year old newbie. This is the ONLY website I have ever encountered where I actually get nostalgic feelings toward it.