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Posted: Sat, 10th Dec 2005, 1:00pm

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Im going to be gettin one or the other after christmas sometime. The thing is i have a 4 hour train jorney that i do about once a month if not more and i need something to pass the time im leaning towards the psp cos its got games and video but my question is any1 that does own psp/video ipod how decent is the baterry on each and does the psp really have an internet browser in it?
can anybody give me advice?
Posted: Sat, 10th Dec 2005, 2:04pm

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i have the 30gb video ipod and the batterylenght isnt any good if you watch a movie beacuse the battery life is only 1 hour if you watch a movie. with a 60gb video ipod you can watch 2hrs. but i like the ipod anyway.

30gb video ipod:
music: 16hrs
video: 1h

60gb video ipod:
music: 20hrs
video: 2hrs
Posted: Sat, 10th Dec 2005, 2:10pm

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I have a PSP and I love it. The battery last about 3-4 hours if you play games or watch movies but if you (like me) buy an adapter which you put on the battery, you get about 10 hours. The one I bought was from "Mad Catz" and costs about $20. And make sure you buy a 1 GB (or more) memory stick if you want to put videos or music on your PSP.

I say, go for the PSP. It looks better, it's cheaper, it has more functions, it's got a bigger screen, it's better.

And yes, the PSP do have an Internet Browser. It uses the 802.11b standard and works great (a little bit slow though, and the cache memory is too small).
Posted: Sat, 10th Dec 2005, 3:32pm

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I don't have either but some of my friends have both, and I'd say to pass the time I'd get a PSP. Interactive things will help the time go by much faster. So play games or watch a movie on a psp.
Posted: Sat, 10th Dec 2005, 9:43pm

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how big is the cache memory on it then? how slow would you say? eg modem, dsl, t1? how can you type in the browser? cause my uni has hotspots everywhere!

btw thanks for the info this is really helping me
Posted: Sat, 10th Dec 2005, 11:08pm

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You can buy iPod battery extensions that add hours to it. iPod is also quicker, and easier. PSP is not complicated, but it is much more difficult to add videos and memory cards cost a ton. I suggest iPod, rip videos from DVD and add them to your iPod. 30 GB, just as good battery life (2 hours on 30 GB, check the specs boffa, you have a bad iPod), more accessories an 3rd party support, smaller for portability, clear screen that is easy to see, great interface, synchronization with iTunes/Winamp, photo gallery support, album support, a few fun mini games you can play real quick, high quality audio, playlists (including on the go) rating system, and high quality warrantee. If you want to rip DVDs for PSP, you will need huge memory cards which will cost a lot of money, and you will have a lot of memory cards. iPod 30 GB at $300 would be cheaper than PSP video wise.
Posted: Sat, 10th Dec 2005, 11:26pm

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boffa86 wrote:

i have the 30gb video ipod and the batterylenght isnt any good if you watch a movie beacuse the battery life is only 1 hour if you watch a movie. with a 60gb video ipod you can watch 2hrs. but i like the ipod anyway.

30gb video ipod:
music: 16hrs
video: 1h

60gb video ipod:
music: 20hrs
video: 2hrs
actually the 60 gig last 3 hours, and 30 gig lasts 2 hours for video. however, as serpent said, you can get a battery extension pack ( i have a great one from belkin, it adds about 15 hours of music playback, and can be found here http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/7200405/wo/D42Lkc8FP3B03tD12o4121BhcV7/4.SLID?mco=1028B69&nplm=T6714LL%2FA). this should add about 2 more hours of video playback to the 30 gig iPod.

deffinatly buy the iPod if you want videos, and buy the battery pack if you can.

hope this helps,
SGB
Posted: Sat, 10th Dec 2005, 11:37pm

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serpent: sorry my bad! they said 1h on the store where i bought it unsure and they claim to be "experts" i should have read the specs once more razz i guess i missed that.
i havent tried to watch a full length movie yet. only music vids and i tested star wars revelations and i had plenty of battery life left.

i also posted on the ipod review thread that video ipod owners should read smile

http://fxhome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=20939&highlight=ipod
Posted: Sun, 11th Dec 2005, 12:14am

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PSP wins, no contest...

The iPod doesn't look much better, has a smaller screen/resolution, doesn't have games, doesn't have Wifi, you can't buy movies for it (only bad TV shows in a tiny resolution) and it's not much cheaper.

The PSP mega (or giga?) pack comes with a 1GB card and is under 400 Canadian dollars here while iPod G5 60GB is about 600 Canadians dollars here, so for cheaper you get more.

Then again, if you're a Nintendo (usually anti-PSP) or Apple fan, you might as well not waste your money on superior hardware and go with the iPod and be happier neutral
Posted: Sun, 11th Dec 2005, 12:22am

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I agree with your psp decision, but bad tv shows? The Office is hilarious!
Posted: Sun, 11th Dec 2005, 1:02am

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prison break! ;D
Posted: Sun, 11th Dec 2005, 1:15am

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Oh yeah there's The Office now.... okay, bad TV shows except for one then.
Posted: Sun, 11th Dec 2005, 3:06am

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pooky wrote:

PSP wins, no contest...

The iPod doesn't look much better, has a smaller screen/resolution, doesn't have games, doesn't have Wifi, you can't buy movies for it (only bad TV shows in a tiny resolution) and it's not much cheaper.

The PSP mega (or giga?) pack comes with a 1GB card and is under 400 Canadian dollars here while iPod G5 60GB is about 600 Canadians dollars here, so for cheaper you get more.

Then again, if you're a Nintendo (usually anti-PSP) or Apple fan, you might as well not waste your money on superior hardware and go with the iPod and be happier neutral
first off, you can buy dvds and rip them onto the iPod. I dont know that much about psp, but ill assume that you cant buy every movie in a psp disc format. you are not limited when i comes to the iPod.

second, why are you comparing the iPod 60 gig to a player with one gig? doesnt make that much sense. sure, for 200 bucks less, you get 59 less gigs, better resolution, wifi and games. if you compare the iPod to the psp for movie playback only, the psp only wins if you are watching a very very very short movie, or a movie with really bad resolution, in which case having a big screen doesn't really help. so no, i dont think you get more for less, unless you are looking for more than a music/video player.

unless there is some 30 gig attachable harddrive for psp that i haven't heard about, there is no way psp wins for video playback. sure, it can play for more hours, but play what for more hours? with only 1 gig, there isn't that much to play.

there may be better players out there, but if you are looking for video, and want an iPod or a psp, get the iPod. you get more video for your dollar. instead of buying expencive memory cards, you have it all built in.

hope this helped,

SGB
Posted: Sun, 11th Dec 2005, 4:58am

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Pooky, 1 GB is not enough to hold anything really. UMD movies cost almost as much as DVDs, and in no time, you can rip DVDs to your computer, and still have the actual DVD to watch on your HES.

Conan O'Brian rocks, as does Lost and Desperate Housewives. If you haven't seen the series, you can't judge them. As TV shows go, Lost and DH have received incredible reviews.

But I hate when people say "X is better than iPod because the music store sucks etc." But you can get media from many other sources than the music store. If you judge the iPod by the music store, your priorities are off. sgb said the rest.
Posted: Sun, 11th Dec 2005, 7:41am

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Waser's ears perk at the word "Lost"

Oh wait, you're talking about iPods. Nevermind.
Posted: Sun, 11th Dec 2005, 8:35am

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Whoa whoa whoa serpent..."Desperate housewives"?




Can anyone Confirm Serpent is actually Male?
Posted: Sun, 11th Dec 2005, 9:46am

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Yes.

Besides that, hav you ever seen the show? It isn't a chick flick love story kind of thing, it is murder mystery with good looking women.
Posted: Mon, 12th Dec 2005, 9:34pm

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sgb4622 wrote:


first off, you can buy dvds and rip them onto the iPod. I dont know that much about psp, but ill assume that you cant buy every movie in a psp disc format. you are not limited when i comes to the iPod.
Nor with the PSP. Over 200 titles are available on the UMD format, most of them can be found here. (Though not all 255 are available right now...) You can rip any DVD and put that on a PSP, too. You will lose less battery life playing a movie off a memory card because you don't have to spin the UMD disc, but that's the price you pay for near-DVD (and sometimes equal or better than DVD) quality.

sgb4622 wrote:

second, why are you comparing the iPod 60 gig to a player with one gig? doesnt make that much sense. sure, for 200 bucks less, you get 59 less gigs, better resolution, wifi and games.
You throw off 'games' to the side like it's not the main focus of the PSP and it's irrelevevant.When you have these games and more, it's hard to ignore them. Plus, 2 GB Sandisk cards came out already....

sgb4622 wrote:

music/video player
music player/video player/picture viewer/game player/internet browser.

sgb4622 wrote:

sure, it can play for more hours, but play what for more hours? with only 1 gig, there isn't that much to play.
Again, 2 GB's, but you abviously didn't care to research the topic you are arguing against. Anyway, with PSP Video 9, you can compress video to about 2 MB a sec (320X480 rez, 15fps), which will be ~240 MB for a 2 hr. movie. That means ~4 movies on a Gig card and ~8 ON A 2 gigger. That's a lot of movie, if you ask me. I personally have Scary Movie 3, a 10 minute movie I made, ~30 songs, ~25photos, and 14 MB of game saves on my 256 MB memory card that run for around $30.

sgb4622 wrote:

instead of buying expencive memory cards
Or an expensive (or as you put it 'expencive') iPod....


Also there are many sites with advice, support, and other stuff for PSPs like PSP 411.


I am Rogolo and I approve this message.

P.S. I love Apple, but iPods aren't meant to compete with PSPs, so there is virtually no comparison. Take the PSP, you'll be happier. smile

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Posted: Mon, 12th Dec 2005, 9:35pm

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You could check out iaudio. I have an X5L 30gb and couldn't be happier. I got it for the audio capabilities and some of the other features; the video didn’t really play a huge part in the decision. Seems like more of a novelty to me where you put some video clips on it to show people. I can’t see myself trying to watch a tv show or a movie on it. If you're more into the video check out the A2.
Posted: Mon, 12th Dec 2005, 10:58pm

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Serpent wrote:

Yes.
Amen.
Posted: Tue, 13th Dec 2005, 12:26am

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If you prefer music, ipod for sure. But if you really like gaming, go for PSP. It would cost about $4750 to get a PSP and enough memory to have match an ipod's. I mean, it's $150 for 1 Gig of memory! But then again, when was the last time someone said, "I'm renting a new game for my ipod called parachute 2!" Gaming and PSP are a good match, but ipod is better for media. I'm looking into Socom: Firetime Bravo for PSP myself, should be an awesome game.
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rogolo, you totally misunderstood my point. i admit to being wrong about ripping dvds, and about there not being that many titles out.

If the guy wants VIDEO PLAYER he should buy the iPod. This is why I "threw off games". of course games are the main focus of the psp.

if the person wants general media, get the psp. it will aparently get you about 8 movies, and games etc.

but if you want video, get the ipod. no i did not research this ( which i said in my post) but im pretty sure that getting the psp with the 2 gig card does cost more that 300 dollars (sorry if i am wrong). so for the same price or less, you get more VIDEO MUSIC AND PICTURES. so for a video player, the ipod is better. if you will be playing a lot of games and video is not as important, get the psp.

one last thought, if the psp with the 2 gig card and stuff costs 350 or more, than you actually get better batterlife on the ipod for less if you buy the batter pack.

sorry for the confusion. i was posting thoughts, not necessarily arguments, as i know very little about both, and was just posting what i thought from what other people had already said.

sgb
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sgb4622 wrote:

first off, you can buy dvds and rip them onto the iPod. I dont know that much about psp, but ill assume that you cant buy every movie in a psp disc format. you are not limited when i comes to the iPod.

second, why are you comparing the iPod 60 gig to a player with one gig? doesnt make that much sense. sure, for 200 bucks less, you get 59 less gigs, better resolution, wifi and games. if you compare the iPod to the psp for movie playback only, the psp only wins if you are watching a very very very short movie, or a movie with really bad resolution, in which case having a big screen doesn't really help. so no, i dont think you get more for less, unless you are looking for more than a music/video player.

unless there is some 30 gig attachable harddrive for psp that i haven't heard about, there is no way psp wins for video playback. sure, it can play for more hours, but play what for more hours? with only 1 gig, there isn't that much to play.

there may be better players out there, but if you are looking for video, and want an iPod or a psp, get the iPod. you get more video for your dollar. instead of buying expencive memory cards, you have it all built in.
1. You can either buy UMD's and play on your PSP or rip DVD or such.
2. I don't know, because the PSP is so much superior, it can do things the iPod would never dream about.
3. You can fit more than you think on that 1GB mem stick. What about 5 hours of video or nearly unlimited amount of game-saves.
4. And well, do you actually think that a smaller screen is better?

So if you want an mp3-player and a harddrive get the iPod because that's what it is. If you want an video-player, portable console and much much more, get the PSP.

This might be hard for all you Apple fanboys out there to understand but the PSP is far to superior to be compared to the iPod. biggrin
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I have no idea how big the cache memory is but the connection is definately faster than a modem. I say it's like slow broadband.
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jonne, did you even read my last post? i said that i didn't know about the dvds and things.

secondsly, what does "if you want an mp3 player with harddrive" mean? uh, sure, buts its also "a video player and photo viewer with a harddrive up to 30 times its size.

I also said, that as a media player, where your main goal is to play a lot of different games and such, the psp is better. personaly i find video games stupid, and would much perfer a whole movie library to a few movies, photos, games you have to carry along, wifi etc.

so people, and get this now, as a VIDEO/MUSIC/PHOTOVIEWER, the iPod is better, which is what the guy wanted in the first place.
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Jonne wrote:


1. You can either buy UMD's and play on your PSP or rip DVD or such.
2. I don't know, because the PSP is so much superior, it can do things the iPod would never dream about.
3. You can fit more than you think on that 1GB mem stick. What about 5 hours of video or nearly unlimited amount of game-saves.
4. And well, do you actually think that a smaller screen is better?

So if you want an mp3-player and a harddrive get the iPod because that's what it is. If you want an video-player, portable console and much much more, get the PSP.

This might be hard for all you Apple fanboys out there to understand but the PSP is far to superior to be compared to the iPod. biggrin
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I have no idea how big the cache memory is but the connection is definately faster than a modem. I say it's like slow broadband.
i hate to double post, but listen up for a sec. your right, you cant compare the psp to the ipod, since the psp has games and such. so the only way to compare them is to compare them as media player (with games, which is stupid cause the ipod has none), or for the things they share individualy.

so, as a media player with games, the psp wins, but its meant to play games! thats its main focus! the iPod does what its supposed to better.

the ipod is better for video.
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I own a PSP and I must say I agree siwth sgb4622 on this one. I mean, the iPod is actually around 30 times the size the PSP. I think they really can't be compared, since they are actually two completely different things.
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sgb4622 wrote:

so people, and get this now, as a VIDEO/MUSIC/PHOTOVIEWER, the iPod is better, which is what the guy wanted in the first place.

i hate to double post, but listen up for a sec. your right, you cant compare the psp to the ipod, since the psp has games and such. so the only way to compare them is to compare them as media player (with games, which is stupid cause the ipod has none), or for the things they share individualy.
1. No! IMO the iPod is better if you want an music and storage device. IMO The PSP is definately better for video,

2. I agree with you. But I don't think you even should compare them as media-players since the PSP is formerly built for games. But otherwise i agree with you.
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How is PSP better for video? (Assuming you people are l33t enough to be able to rip DVDs...) There is no way, so as a media player, iPod is better, as a game player, PSP is better (and it has other cool features that a lot of us don't want at all, like the games, the web browsing, etc.) If you want the PSP games, iPod doesn't compete with PSP in tht area, so get PSP. The PSP is terrible for video, lack of space to save big and a lot of movies, same battery life but is sucked up by games and other things, and it is a big device compared to iPod (iPod screen is plenty big for me, and is crystal clear.) iPod ÷ 30 = PSP
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As a video PLAYER, PSP is better.

As a device to HOLD more movies, iPod video is better.
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and jonne, do you agree with rogolo that the psp is better for the actual video playback and worse as a video player, or do you think it is a better video player overall? you said it was better as a music player and storage device. im not clear on what you mean by that.

surly a player with a slightly smaller screen, with 30 times the capacity is a better video player?
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rogolo wrote:

As a video PLAYER, PSP is better.

As a device to HOLD more movies, iPod video is better.
You have yet to give a reason.
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Serpent wrote:

rogolo wrote:

As a video PLAYER, PSP is better.

As a device to HOLD more movies, iPod video is better.
You have yet to give a reason.
PSP has a bigger screen?

ipod has more cost effective space?
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Right, but big screen doesn't mean it is a better player, it COULD play movies well, if there was a good way to do it. IMO you have to have a big hard drive to be a good portable media player.
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sgb4622 wrote:

and jonne, do you agree with rogolo that the psp is better for the actual video playback and worse as a video player, or do you think it is a better video player overall? you said it was better as a music player and storage device. im not clear on what you mean by that.

surly a player with a slightly smaller screen, with 30 times the capacity is a better video player?
I quote rogolo: "As a video PLAYER, PSP is better.

As a device to HOLD more movies, iPod video is better."

Why? When I watch videos I want a big screen, it's that simple. The iPod's screen is just too small.
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So IMO if you want a video player with high quality video get the PSP.
If you want a Photoviewer - and wants to have thousands of pictures on it get the iPod - if you want to have lots of pictures on it (thought not as many as the iPod) and a bigger screen get a PSP.
If you want a music-player get the iPod.
if you want to play games get a PSP.
If you want to browse the internet get a PSP.
If you want to run different programs (like calenders) get a PSP.
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PSP hands down... smile
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Actually both suck for watching movies, and PSP has games and therefore wins. Yes the ipod have "games" but those probably get old after about maybe a couple of mintues.

I noticed some of you mentioned the small storage space of the PSP, well since you play movies from UMD and not hard drive that really doesn't matter. The PSP has a small screen, but bigger than ipod's and has an incredible resoultion as well. And did I mention you can play games with decent graphics. Oh and you can play games too.

PSP = Gaming, decent Media
iPod = Media, crappy/no gaming

It really depends on what you prefer....psp
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I'd say Psp. But I belive the iPod is far more portable.
The psp is huge and it's terrible to hold.
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If you've never tried or seen a real PSP playing a movie before... I guarantee you'll be surprised when you eventually do. It's just GORGEOUS. Of course, the small space makes it hard to have many movies, but you can always just buy UMDs, or that 4GB HD add-on for 200$ razz

As an actual device, I still think the PSP is one of the best pieces of hardware I've ever seen. But the iPod has more space, battery time, and, considering the gazillion extra things you need when you buy a PSP, it might be cheaper.

Basically, it depends on wether you want superior hardware, or more space/battery time/money.
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I've never tried the new iPod, but my brother is home for christmas, and he's got a Psp. And I think it's awesome, you should rather buy a Psp...

Though it's still terrible to hold, I get blisters...
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deffinatly buy the iPod if you want videos
hope this helps,
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NO WAY!!!

The psp is easily the best. Ipod videos are terrible. The screen size is tiny, plus it is square, therefor if you are watching a widescreen movie u loose even more of the picture.

what can you do on a Ipod video?

-Watch stuff

What can you do on a psp?

-Watch movies
-lisen to mp3's
-create a slideshow of your pictures/store pictures
-Wireless multiplayer games
-UMD games
-UMD videos - DVD quality
-Wi-fi Internet connection
-and loads more.

GADGET SHOW


They featured this on the gadget about a week ago, on channel five.

They put the Ipod and the PSP against each other, and the PSP kicked ass, in every department.

-Screen size
-Screen Clarity
-Battery life
-Fun
-Etc.

Plus with a PSP you can play loads of games.

-GTA : liberty Cities Stories
-FIFA 06
-PES5

Overall the psp is ace, i have one and take it everywhere all the time,

SMB

(Sorry if i have repeated things i didnt read all of the previous posts)
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Some people really annoy me!

The iPod is a MUSIC PLAYER. Apple said quite clearly that video support was an EXTRA rather than a FEATURE.

Personally, I think the screen size is fine for an "on the move" experience. If I want to watch about 10 minutes of The Office on the bus, the iPod is fine. If I want to watch a two hour film, I'll watch it on my 50 inch Plasma. Problem??

I think it's much cooler to carry around every song you own and a few decent movies on a tiny iPod tbh. From my experience, the quality of video on the iPod is better than the PSP. I know I sound very biased, but my brother has a PSP and a few of my mates have iPod videos.
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TommyB wrote:

From my experience, the quality of video on the iPod is better than the PSP.
That's the part I don't get. I've only used the iPod video for about 5 min (in an apple store) and IMO it's pure crap. The screen is so tiny you'd need a magnifyer (ok maybe not a magnifyer, but it's a really small screen) to watch the imo bad quality (atleast worse quality than the PSP) videos. So I wonder, why do you think it's better?

TommyB wrote:

If I want to watch about 10 minutes of The Office on the bus, the iPod is fine.
Ok, for 10 minutes it might be ok, but what if you need to go on a 1 hour bus ride? Which one should you bring then? The PSP of course!
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Jonne wrote:



TommyB wrote:

If I want to watch about 10 minutes of The Office on the bus, the iPod is fine.
Ok, for 10 minutes it might be ok, but what if you need to go on a 1 hour bus ride? Which one should you bring then? The PSP of course!
Actually, I was stuck in a cafe for 2 hours waiting for my mom, and I watched 3 episodes of Lost, very enjoyable for me.

SMB wrote:


what can you do on a Ipod video?

-Watch stuff
Huh? You say a PSP can play mp3s yet you don't add that to the iPod? iPod can store photos and slideshows too, also.
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TommyB wrote:

The iPod is a MUSIC PLAYER. Apple said quite clearly that video support was an EXTRA rather than a FEATURE.
I really agree. I'm thinking of buying an iPod Video, but I don't care about the video, I just want the great music player!
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Jonne wrote:

TommyB wrote:

If I want to watch about 10 minutes of The Office on the bus, the iPod is fine.
Ok, for 10 minutes it might be ok, but what if you need to go on a 1 hour bus ride? Which one should you bring then? The PSP of course!
No. I'd rather have several films and my entire music collection on ONE small device tbh!

I really don't care about games. For gamers, yeah, why not the PSP? For people who love music, the iPod is the choice. I'll have a nice selection of films on my iPod to choose from, and the ONLY thing I'll have to carry around is the iPod - not a flock of UMD movies and PSP disks.

I have bought my iPod to listen to music and carry around my entire collection. I see the film function solely as an extra! I suspect Apple (or a 3rd party) will bring out some addon gadget, perhaps a screen that plugs in to it, or something.
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The PSP is better.

Period
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i don't know if this has been mentioned yet. But waht about this:

http://www.gbax.com/indexgp2x.html

or (since your into filmmaking) this:

http://www.firebox.com/index.html?dir=firebox&action=product&pid=957
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TommyB wrote:

I really don't care about games. For gamers, yeah, why not the PSP? For people who love music, the iPod is the choice.
That's what I've been saying all the time. If you want to listen to music or watch shorter videos get an iPod. If you wan't to play games and watch 2 hour movies get a PSP.
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When it comes to video it's up to the person who buys it to choose between quantity (iPod) or quality (PSP).
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Actually, 2 hour movies would also be better on iPod for on the go. They are free and you can store a lot of them, same battery life, but better portability with the ability to add battery life via 3rd party accessory. Unless you are dying to have a larger screen. I think the iPod's screen is perfect (ratio of visibility size-wise to portability.) That's just me.
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I'll have my psp in less than 6 hours. I like the ipod and everything but it doesnt beat all the stuff the psp can do as well. Not to mention internet. As soon as aim comes out for psp ill be set ha.
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Ive decided im gonna go for the psp really cos i only have 4 hours on the train so i dont need a huge amount of films for that jorney plus the trains have wifi and the games would keep me entertained. Im gonna get the giga pack as i want to keep the gb card i have in my phone! lol thanks alot for your guys help tho.
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Okay for one thing why the hell did you start this topic?

You should of just made your own decision and stuck with it. You can't compare a PSP with an iPod!

That's like saying, "Hey my new watch is better than your 100GB hardrive!".

It's stupid. You can't compare a freakin' music player with a game engine!

Hey why don't we start a debate if a vacuum cleaner is better than DVD player!

Just pick what you want because either way you will be happy. smile
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I got the iPod video this morning, my brother got the PSP.

iPod is superior IMO. The video quality is on par with the PSP, and the fact that I can carry around hundreds of movies renders the competition useless.
If you don't like games, get the iPod.
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TommyB wrote:

I got the iPod video this morning, my brother got the PSP.

iPod is superior IMO. The video quality is on par with the PSP, and the fact that I can carry around hundreds of movies renders the competition useless.
If you don't like games, get the iPod.
Yeah, I agree.

The ipod is firstly and foremostly a mediaplayer, the synchronise with itunes features and general ease of file transfer and portable play simply blow the PSP out of the water.
This is most likely because the PSP is a gaming platform first, and a media device second. It doesn't mean either is better than the other on the whole, just in regard to media play - the ipod is the way to go.
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Did my post like disapear or something?! eek

You still can't compare an iPod with a PSP...Though I can agree with Tommy B that if you don't like video games then get an iPod.. razz
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Okay for one thing why the hell did you start this topic?

You should of just made your own decision and stuck with it. You can't compare a PSP with an iPod!

That's like saying, "Hey my new watch is better than your 100GB hardrive!".

It's stupid. You can't compare a freakin' music player with a game engine!

Hey why don't we start a debate if a vacuum cleaner is better than DVD player!

Just pick what you want because either way you will be happy. smile
Dude why would you say that, they are not simalar i know, but both are entertainment systems that is what i need! i started this thread because there are people in this forum that want to help each other with the information they know. If you want to criticise then dont even bother posting!
Both are great products but i think i might need a bit more to entertain me on the train than just video thats why im going to london tom to get a psp! roll on tommorow!
Thanks alot for everybodys help (part from swg33k comment) you all seem to like your psp/ipod!
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Just got a PSP....it's amazing! Though I have one dead and one discolored pixel (easily fixable once I download the pixel tester) the sharpness and clarity of the screen is simply amazing. I look at my iPod and the screen pales in comparison to the PSP. Once I start browsing the web I'll be even happier, not mention that I can watch nearly ANY new DVD that has come out, because they're all out on UMD!
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ben3308 wrote:

I can watch nearly ANY new DVD that has come out, because they're all out on UMD!
Except infact you can't watch any DVD's as the PSP can't play DVDs, and only UMDs and let's be honest, there isn't a brilliant UMD selection at the moment. unsure I wonder where UMD's feature in the future, or if they do at all...
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Well I LOVE my new ipod Video. Because I can put all my movies and YOUR guys movie on my ipod and show to my friends! can an PSP do that!?
And on top of that you have to buy CD's for PSP and carry them around, when an ipod just has them all loaded in. I am not bashing on PSP's Beucase I want one they are really cool. but If apple made an ipod the size as a PSP garentee it would be the same or alot better. But the fact that ipod videos are so small, so powerfull and convenient. I went for the ipod.
Agian I am not saying PSP's are bad or crappy because they are really really awsome, but I guess it depends what your you do more, do you play games more? or listen to music? or watch alot of movies? so I would say they are equal but I just went with the ipod video.
Merry Christmas!
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Yeah, I just have to say (again) that this device is amazing. If you know me, I'm a firm apple believer in all that they put out. But if someone offered me an ipod or a psp, I'd take the psp in .000005 seconds. I mean, it does music, photos and video just like the ipod. Has a bigger screen. Has the option of games. AAAND is internet ready. You cannot beat that. Free communication is golden. I'm gonna be on fxhome while in im class most all of this quarter. I could go on about how great this is but I wanna go play this device some more. I'll ttylz ha.


GO PSP YOU WONT REGRET IT.

EDIT: And yes this was all typed from the PSP...
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It's not that I don't like the PSP or Games, I just think the iPod + iTunes combo is better for films. I've got several films on iTunes now, and I can choose to either sync all of them with the iPod, or just certain ones.
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Hey Chris, does the PSP have the ability to Do any kind of downloading? And is all that software upgradeable?

Also, Can it handle Flash objects/view videos off the internet?
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Why not just get both like me? biggrin
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Deepcoiler wrote:

Why not just get both like me? biggrin
Rich biatch. disgust
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Deepcoiler wrote:

Why not just get both like me? biggrin
Because you only need one or the other. I'm not really much of a gamer anyway.
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Or you could get a Zen Vision M, which is superior to the iPod video anyway in features and video quality.

http://www.creative.com/products/mp3/zenvisionm/

EDIT:

Here's an iPod to Vision M comparison

http://www.everythingusb.com/creative_zen_vision:m_30gb.html

The two video stills next to each other are the most telling.
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to be honest im quite impressed with video capcity on the psp. Ive had it just over a week and doing my big jorney tom ive got 7 tv episodes and have 369mb left on my 1gb card plus gta which is amazing that they have fit it on a handheld!!!
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I own both, and before the iPod with video came out I used my PSP exclusively for my "videos" which were mostly trailers and other boring crap because I only had a gig for roms, emulators, videos and "other stuff". It just wasn't enough space to do anything with.

UMD's suck, they are the worst idea since Digital8, MicroMV, BetaMax, MiniDisc or any of the umpteen million failed "universal formats" that Sony has pulled out of their asses in the last 20 years. UMD stands for Universal Media Disc. Now somebody tell me what the hell is so universal about a disc that you can only play in one device, the PSP.

Somebody said that they had 7 TV episodes 369mb left. Well I have every episode of the Office, Scrubs, Penn&Teller's Bull$pit, Everybody Hates Chris, Lost, Family Guy, Firefly, Chapelle Show, every Rodriguez and Tarantino movie, all the Pixar Films, bunch of cool movies I just like to watch, all my music, every photo I have ever taken and still have enough room to use my ipod as a capture drive. I watched the first half of the second season of Scrubs on my iPod on a 5 hour flight to Venezuela and didn't feel one bit of discomfort.

I can honestly say I haven't touched my PSP in the last few months. The games are lame, and the battery life is atrocious. Surfing the internet on a PSP is like picking your nose with boxing gloves on.

On a long trip the iPod kicks the PSP in the balls and takes it's lunch money.

Get a DS if you want to game.

Canta

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Wow.

+1
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Finaly, someone has got it right.

1+ Cantaclaro, all this psp attention is driving me nuts.
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PSP as a video player, maybe not, but mobile gaming? By far its the best, and UMDs? All I see with them is more on the way. People dissed the "DVD" when Sony announced they could play on the PS2. Heck, I didn't even have a DVD player or any DVDs when I bought a PS2, and look how that turned out, DVDs are the standard form of media. I wouldn't mind an iPod, I have enough money to buy one right now, but I'd rather add to my UMD collection and PSP accessories/games. Why? I have an iPod already. Sure, its b&w and only plays music, but that's what its for.

Still, I think the iPod is an awesome media player, but it was a horrible move on Apple to change the iPod and not add a substantial ammount more screen to it, while offering video capabilities.

At this current time, I'd rather have a Dodgeball UMD, a Chappelle's Show UMD, GTA: Liberty City Stories (a GREAT game), a couple episodes of the office and Fight Club on my PSP than have 1,000 songs and videos on a tiny iPod screen. But, we'll have to see how both products turn out further down the road.

If I remember correctly, Canta, you LOVED your PSP when you first got it.
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Saying the PSP is a media player is like saying a Vespa is a motorcycle. If you want to play half assed re-hashed games for 1.5 hours on your PSP then that is your business, but to say that carrying around 3 discs of content that you bought for 20 bucks each on the monumental dead pixel laden PSP screen is a better experience than having 60x the content in a package the size of a pack of cards is just silly. Lest we not forget folks you can hook up your iPod to the television (it ain't the best quality, but its far from "unwatchable"), lets see the PSP do that without cracking it open and voiding your warranty, or attaching some dinky camera to the screen.

There is a key factor between DVD and UMD; DVD isn't a format that only the PS2 could play. DVD wasn't invented by Sony. DVD had been around for years before the PS2 and had already began replacing VHS in most places. I honestly have no idea what the heck you are talking about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_2

I can take my favorite shows and movies anywhere I want without having to pack up my DVD collection and risk losing thousands of dollars and years of collecting. Anyone who would buy a UMD over a DVD is a sucker plain and simple, and if you bought both, well then you are an idiot.

Canta
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I love how when I walk past the PSP Media Player section at Best Buy all I see are movies, when I remember it being promoted as a portable video game device. How many actual games are there for that thing? Three or four right?

Also, my iPod is far better than any PSP, and since I don't play video games when I go out of my house, I have no reason to desire something that is supposedly a video game system and that only has a handful of games.
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cantaclaro wrote:

If you want to play half assed re-hashed games for 1.5 hours on your PSP then that is your business, ...
Why would you want that? wink

I'll stick to playing great games for 5 hours on my PSP. And watch video without a magnifyer.
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Yes - portable gaming = DS.

I had my doubts after buying a DS last year, and thought about switching to PSP instead. But am I so glad I didn't. The DS pretty much owned the PSP. I don't want to play console games on a handheld. I want handheld games on a handheld. I found myself playing Mario and Luigi Partners in Time for 3 hours straight during christmas break. Something damn near impossible with a PSP considering thats usually the battery life for one... whilst my DS was still going and could have gone for another 5 or so hours after that.

I think I've seen about 2 PSPs in person since the time it was released.

But don't even get me started about iPod.
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I have both a DS and a PSP, and the PSP has proved far more powerful and entertaining than the DS. I had a DS for over a year and bought countless touhscreen sidescrollers with a minimal amount of 3d in them, uinimpressed. I got a DS for the graphics, if I wanted sidescrollers I'd stick with my GameBoy. Then, a week ago, I get the PSP. With DS-rivaling quantity of PS2 quality games, UMD movie availability, an incredibly sharp widescreen, and a web browser to boot, the PSP is the one which owns its counterpart, by far. That's why it costs 100 dollars mroe than the DS, because its wealth of capabilities mke it actually worth more. Said and done.
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yes but with a 3 hour battery life its pathetic.

It's better in features yes, but often times thats not a good thing.

I was referring to owning in the sense of sales. The DS is affordable and WELL worth the money when taking into account overall fun during gameplay. If I got a PSP, the first week or so I'd go... "ooooh pretty graphics" then not care because of the crap games that are out for it. As Aculag said, mostly all of the PSP merchandise thus far has been movies anyway. Then I'd never play it, after I got over the initial "wow graphics" reaction.
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http://www.m-create.com/jpn/s_ranking.html

Sales in Japan say it all.

Look at the very bottom.

Hardware

DS - 597,628
PSP - 161,332
PS2 - 97,475
GCN - 36,646
GBASP - 35,764
GBM - 19,261
Xbox360 - 5,674
GBA - 906
Xbox - 141

Software

PS2 - Kingdom Hearts II, Square Enix - 727,591
DS - Animal Crossing: Wild World, Nintendo - 416,132
DS - Mario Kart DS, Nintendo - 302,742
PS2 - Naruto: Narultimate Hero 3, Bandai - 216,966
DS - Pokemon Mysterious Dungeon: Blue Rescue Force, Pokemon - 157,786
GBA - Pokemon Mysterious Dungeon: Red Rescue Force, Pokemon - 156,430
DS - Tamagotchi Connection: Corner Shop!, Bandai - 156,181
PS2 - Metal Gear Solid 3 Subsistence, Konami - 103,894
GCN - Mario Party 7, Nintendo - 100,130
DS - DS Training For Adults: Work Your Brain , Nintendo - 93,240
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Whoever mentioned magnifying glass has clearly never even seen an iPod video, nor held one, or needs some reading glasses. I can watch TV shows, short films, music videos, and tons of feature length videos (a lot) on my iPod without any problems or strain. None of my friends who have watched a video beside me have even complained, they saw everything fine, and they are at a weird angle due to the desk situation. Along with all of the feature length movies, TV shows, and all that good stuff, I have all of my pics (over 2,000), all of my music (over 3,500) and I can run it great, no problems yet, INCREDIBLE battery life, and I still have 37 gigs left. On PSP, you have to either buy it, or maybe store a few things, coupled with the pathetic battery life that even fanboys complain about.

As for DS, Ben/Atom (whichever of you complained about the DS and made PSP seem better as if it was a fact...) you were clearly buying the wrong games if you were just getting bad side scrollers, and I am so sorry you spent your money that way. There are so many great games on DS that you are missing out on. DS owned the PSP in the PSP's release year, and absolutely killed the PSP in the GTA month (supposedly the "killer app.") You have clearly overlooked the DS, and anything Nintendo related, and you are a tad biased. You really need to look at the line-up, there really aren't that many side scrollers, and ones that are are incredibly fun.
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Whoever mentioned magnifying glass has clearly never even seen an iPod video, nor held one, or needs some reading glasses. I can watch TV shows, short films, music videos, and tons of feature length videos (a lot) on my iPod without any problems or strain. None of my friends who have watched a video beside me have even complained, they saw everything fine, and they are at a weird angle due to the desk situation. Along with all of the feature length movies, TV shows, and all that good stuff, I have all of my pics (over 2,000), all of my music (over 3,500) and I can run it great, no problems yet, INCREDIBLE battery life, and I still have 37 gigs left. On PSP, you have to either buy it, or maybe store a few things, coupled with the pathetic battery life that even fanboys complain about.

As for DS, Ben/Atom (whichever of you complained about the DS and made PSP seem better as if it was a fact...) you were clearly buying the wrong games if you were just getting bad side scrollers, and I am so sorry you spent your money that way. There are so many great games on DS that you are missing out on. DS owned the PSP in the PSP's release year, and absolutely killed the PSP in the GTA month (supposedly the "killer app.") You have clearly overlooked the DS, and anything Nintendo related, and you are a tad biased. You really need to look at the line-up, there really aren't that many side scrollers, and ones that are are incredibly fun.
I'm sorry, but I guess, like I've said before, I'm not at all a fan of the "kiddie" games i.e. Mario/Donkey Kong/token Nintendo games, and find them just kinda boring. If the graphics suck, and the game doesn't appeal to me, it's just not fun. Again, this is my thoughts in comparing the PSP and DS because I have both, but that's just me. I heavily played my DS over the past year, and found it quite a bore and nothing unique of my previous GameBoy. Sure, I played it once or twice a week, but only for maybe 10-30 minutes. Maybe I'm just a stickler for Sony's PS-line, (I got one of the first prototype PS2s months before it came out, and a PS when I was 6 or 7) but in my personal opinion PSP games are more fun. Console rehash? Maybe, but certainly not a CRAPPY one. Isn't the point of mobile gaming to make the cosole gaming............mobile? Ergo, mobile console games makes sense. I bought SOCOM, N4S: Most Wanted, and GTA, all games I didn't have for the PS2, and I love them all more than the 10-15+ DS games I have.

Just my opinion, not stating as fact, and not trying to be bias. Bias would be if I ONLY had a PSP, or had a DS for less time than I had a PSP; but I've had time to fully test and use the DS, and even with little testing of the PSP, I feel it completely owns the DS.

Don't get me wrong, I WANTED A DS SOOOOOOOO BAD, but 2 weeks into it and I wish I could sell it back. Wanna talk console rehash? Let's talk how every game features Mario, or how there are more Mario-trademark series continuations than there are Rocky and Rambo movies combined.

I could care less about battery life, because frankly if you have to be entertained by games for more than 4 or 5 hours without enjoying social conversation or your surroundings, I feel abit sorry for you. smile
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I see where you are coming from, but you need to remember, Nintendo is not the only developer... Sony has no first party developers, so in YOUR case, think of the Nintendo games as bonus games, and I think you would enjoy MP: Hunters (coming this month, completely different than the demo.) Mario Kart is seriously something you need to give a go and learn, that is my second favorite DS game right now. I see what you mean now, in your case, but I still think that they are less than the already decent console games. For example, NFS on PSP is terrible compared to the console version. Your statement about portable gaming being about making consoles portable is EXACTLY what Sony is thinking, and that is where they went absolutely wrong, it isn't what most of the public wants in a handheld. Give the new Holiday/January DS titles a chance, they have received positive scores from every reviewer for a reason.

PS- I called you biased because your statement was judging the DS based off of platformers. If you don't enjoy those kind of games, try others, there are plenty of good ones. You bashed the DS solely based on that.

EDIT: As for the social gathering thing... If I am on a plane, or on the go, I like to have over 5 hours of battery. Sometimes I forget to charge my DS, no big deal, I have plenty of battery life. It is good to have a lot of battery on the go. But all of the somewhat good PSP games (scored above 7) besides Lumines, require more power, thus more battery than most games. The battery also wears (I hope my spelling doesn't suck as bad as I think it does) down a lot on the PSP. A lot of people have PSP, and I see them running out of battery a lot.
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Serpent wrote:

I see where you are coming from, but you need to remember, Nintendo is not the only developer... Sony has no first party developers, so in YOUR case, think of the Nintendo games as bonus games, and I think you would enjoy MP: Hunters (coming this month, completely different than the demo.) Mario Kart is seriously something you need to give a go and learn, that is my second favorite DS game right now. I see what you mean now, in your case, but I still think that they are less than the already decent console games. For example, NFS on PSP is terrible compared to the console version. Your statement about portable gaming being about making consoles portable is EXACTLY what Sony is thinking, and that is where they went absolutely wrong, it isn't what most of the public wants in a handheld. Give the new Holiday/January DS titles a chance, they have received positive scores from every reviewer for a reason.

PS- I called you biased because your statement was judging the DS based off of platformers. If you don't enjoy those kind of games, try others, there are plenty of good ones. You bashed the DS solely based on that.

EDIT: As for the social gathering thing... If I am on a plane, or on the go, I like to have over 5 hours of battery. Sometimes I forget to charge my DS, no big deal, I have plenty of battery life. It is good to have a lot of battery on the go. But all of the somewhat good PSP games (scored above 7) besides Lumines, require more power, thus more battery than most games. The battery also wears (I hope my spelling doesn't suck as bad as I think it does) down a lot on the PSP. A lot of people have PSP, and I see them running out of battery a lot.
I never understand people griping about battery power-length. I guess I'm not a hardcore entertainment guy, on planes or in cars, I'm just as interested in looking out the window as at a game. So far, I can play N4s: Most Wanted for a good 5 hours turning it on and off sleep-mode (or whatever mode isn't "on" or "off") and that's cool for me. Plus, you can buy a battery brick that not only runs off AAA batteries that you can buy anywhere, but the batteries charge the in-PSP battery.

As for N4S, I hated racing games, but a year or so ago I got N4S: Underground and got addicted. In my opinion, N4S: Most Wanted for PSP is great because the levels are a small ammount shorter, which is good for short ammounts of time to go gaming, the graphics are top-notch, and it introduces the police stage to racing, which is fun and interesting. (That is, when comparing any other N4S game for PS2/Gamecube to Most Wanted for PSP)

My big problem with the DS is the waiting. Waiting for MarioKart, it'll be out spring 05! 9 months later, he we are. MP: Hunters, next year, it'll be out, '05! A YEAR later, I'm still waiting. I would not at all mind keeping the DS around, but with PSP so hot right now and all the awesome games (yes, there are lots of awesome-in my opinion-games) I'm afraid my DS might collect some dust for awhile.
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Er, Mario Kart is out... And all of the fun Holiday games are out. The only other game coming out that is announced that looks incredible is MP: H... Anyways, NFS police chases is how it was in the good ones, then Undergrounds came out, and that was boring standard racing. Now they brought back cop racing to all the platforms in most wanted (in other words, it is a less version on PSP.) As for quick play on PSP, unless it is in sleep mode, I can't play a quick game, which is what I LOVE about handhelds, just a quick play. PSP is more of a console expireience where you have to play for a bit longer with load times etc. I started up a PSP on a car ride up to a pizza place about 5 minutes from my house, I started it, loading... Got to PSP menu, clicked on PSP UMD, loading. Menu for game, set up game (console style set up, sigh) and just hit quick play or whatevr was quickest. It loaded. I got a gaze at the graphics and we were there, I had to hand it over already. With DS you can just open, on, click, click, click play. Scarcely loads.

As for iPods, I just discovered Handbrake for Mac and I am now absolutely in love. It takes me 25 minutes to rip a feature film to an MP4 deinterlaced, under 700 megs, great quality, any size, retains aspect ratio, I can do subtitles with ease. The audio quality is perfect. I can now just pop in all of my DVDs and drag them into iTunes and in 30 minutes I have a new feature on my iPod (loads in 30 seconds to iTunes from desktop, takes a couple of minutes to load everything onto iPod, after finding iPod and plugging in, ejecting etc.) It is just so convienient, this is why iPod is so popular. It is simple, provides a lot with quality product, and convienient for any user. It's also a stylish piece of hardware, bright and colorful.
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Serpent add this program to your list of iPod goodies.

http://www.isquint.org/

Single greatest program for the iPod with video. It will batch convert just about anything even divx to mp4 iPod ready video. Just set it and forget it.

Sorry windoze people its mac only

Q: Windows version? Please?
A: Sorry, can't help you there. Doesn't feel very good to want a piece of software you can't have, does it?
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Okay, I think I'll come back into this conversation. I'll admit the DS games lately have been pretty cool. Marvel: Rise of the Imperfects, Kong, Mario Kart DS and others are cool, but Nintendo failed to come through for me gamewise in the first 9 months of release. Mario DS, Polarium, Wario Ware, Nintendogs, and others just seem a little childish and....well kind of stupid unless you're under 12. Sure, it sold in Japan, but that's a COMPLETELY different culture which (statistically) find that quirky, offbeat stuff fun. I mean, look at Canta's sales chart. Pokemon, Tamagotchi? Waaaaaaaaaaaaaay past their prime and for a much younger audience. Heck, I was caught in that craze almost a decade ago. DS training for adults? Only proves my point further. What kind of American (or European, for that matter) adult is going to buy a kid's video game system? C'mon, people.

Now onto the iPod. I do love my PSP's screen (it's as big as an iPod video itself, I checked today) but you really can't beat the storage on the iPod. My friend has three seasons of Monk on his 30gig whereas my bro can barely fit Fight Club and some other videos on his 80 dollar 1 gig memory card.

It'd be nice if they made a more "iPod-esque" PSP with a 10 or so gig flash drive built in, but they don't, so when it comes down to it, you've got to choose: filesize or screen size. That's pretty much it.

Ben out.
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Ben, were a new Pokemon RPG to come out in the United States tomorrow it would sell half a million in one week, and a million in under 3. Pokemon is a system selling game, a bundle of the DS and the game would sell in the hundreds of thousands.

Pokemon is still extremely popular, as kiddy as it may seem to someone such as yourself who is trying to grow up far too fast. Hell I would buy both versions tomorrow in order to catch them.
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ben3308 wrote:

Okay, I think I'll come back into this conversation. I'll admit the DS games lately have been pretty cool. Marvel: Rise of the Imperfects, Kong, Mario Kart DS and others are cool, but Nintendo failed to come through for me gamewise in the first 9 months of release. Mario DS, Polarium, Wario Ware, Nintendogs, and others just seem a little childish and....well kind of stupid unless you're under 12. Sure, it sold in Japan, but that's a COMPLETELY different culture which (statistically) find that quirky, offbeat stuff fun. I mean, look at Canta's sales chart. Pokemon, Tamagotchi? Waaaaaaaaaaaaaay past their prime and for a much younger audience. Heck, I was caught in that craze almost a decade ago. DS training for adults? Only proves my point further. What kind of American (or European, for that matter) adult is going to buy a kid's video game system? C'mon, people.
In Japan, it isn't a "kid's" video game system. Most people in Japan have a DS, it is like an iPod to them almost. I can understand if you don't enjoy the games you listed, but the reason you listed is so stupid. You are pretty insecure about yourself if you really care if a game is kiddish enough to keep you from buying it. Kids have fun, on a game I want to have fun, maybe kid games can be fun... Oh yeah, they are. Judging a gamin on how adult it is is very narrow minded. The only group of people that I see avoiding kid games, is kids themselves (9-12) because they want to make themselves feel older. Then there are the adults, or older kids, (13 and up?) who buy adult games because they want to make sure they are manly and want to fit in. I think that is a bit inmature (which is why I question the name of the adult ESRB rating...) Again, why are you judging the DS by two of the games that sold well? Of course Pokemon is going to be popular among kids.

PS-Thanks for that Canta, I saw it when my friend was searching for something, didn't really know what it was.
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I know that nearly everyone in Japan has a DS, that's what I was trying to say! It's a completely different culture than that of those who are arguing are from, so Canta's data is proved irrelevent.

And I don't hate kid's games, I'd just rather play something other than what I played in 3rd grade. Last I checked,17 year olds don't play Pokemon, or at least the ones I know don't.

Oh, and by the way, I typed this on my PSP.

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cantaclaro wrote:

Hardware

DS - 597,628
PSP - 161,332
PS2 - 97,475
GCN - 36,646
GBASP - 35,764
GBM - 19,261
Xbox360 - 5,674
GBA - 906
Xbox - 141
What is the unit of measure on these? I refuse to believe that only 141 Xboxes sold in Japan of all places.
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Aculag wrote:

cantaclaro wrote:

Hardware

DS - 597,628
PSP - 161,332
PS2 - 97,475
GCN - 36,646
GBASP - 35,764
GBM - 19,261
Xbox360 - 5,674
GBA - 906
Xbox - 141
What is the unit of measure on these? I refuse to believe that only 141 Xboxes sold in Japan of all places.
Those figures will be in thousands.
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New Xboxes in the month of December. Not many could have been sold with the 360 out. Ben, who cares what other people think, of course 17-year-olds won't play Pokemon, maybe you don't want to either, but there are fun kind games, that maybe most 17-year-olds don't play, but that doesn't mean you can't. Are you one of those kids who goes with the crowds and does everything everyone else does? A sheep? Oh wait, I guess you are. So sorry.
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Serpent wrote:

Whoever mentioned magnifying glass has clearly never even seen an iPod video, nor held one, or needs some reading glasses.
Yes I have seen and held one. And no I don't need reading glasses.

I don't care if you only have 1GB mem stick to the PSP It's enough for me. I only have about 50 songs (not 5000 or whatever the iPod can take) And a 2.5 hour movie only takes up about 300 mb so there's place for 3 of them which is enough for me.
And don't complain about the battery time. I bought myself a $15 battery adapter which gives my PSP 12 hour battery-life which also if enough for me.
As I've said before I prefer quality over quantity. The iPod screen is just too small, but the PSP is just the right size. Small enough to fit in your pocket but still has an amazing screen.

Now I'm off for a 1h train ride and what do I bring? The PSP of course! Not some crappy iPod Video.
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I really do think you need glasses then. It is a crystal clear screen, quite easy to see. I can complain about battery if I want to, I am the consumer and I prefer and chose iPod (I can store 60X the quantity, see it fine, with great battery life and quality). Don't tell me what I can and can't complain about. If you can see, iPod is clearly better. The only thing PSP has going for it as a media player is the screen size.
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I really do think you need glasses then. It is a crystal clear screen, quite easy to see.
No.

I didn't say that the picture-quality on it was bad. I said that the screen was really really small. Therefore I find it uncomfortable to watch more than a 5 min video on it.
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Serpent wrote:

Are you one of those kids who goes with the crowds and does everything everyone else does? A sheep? Oh wait, I guess you are. So sorry.
This from the iPod user.

Hah
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I have an iPod..It's a shuffle, you know the one everone says sucks? Well..For one thing it doesn't. It's actually pretty sweet for something that you can fit in your pocket and forget it's there.
If you have a Mac, get an iPod, if you have a PC get a PSP..I swear Apple's Windows department is smaller than my kitchen nook! neutral
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People think you can only play on the psp for 3 hours, that's wrong. I've played on that thing for 5 hours once... But I didn't really have fun. Played some GTA LS, it was fun to blow the head off old women, but that's not the only thing I like to do in games.

I enjoy playing on a ds for 10 hours much more then playing on a psp for 5.

But here are the facts: I don't really own either of them, and I'm not going to waste money on either. I like Gba, but I never really played on it. Portable gaming just ain't my favorite, I enjoy playing split screen on a huge screen and surround with 2-4 players much more. And I don't need portable videoplayers either! I enjoy music much more then I enjoy small sized video, on the psp, it's good, but that thing is terrible to hold! And it's HUGE! The iPod is as small as the iPod photo, only thiner and a bigger screen. I've seen videos on it, it's kickass. But I would rather just listen to some Pink Floyd.

I'm getting xbox360 really soon, hope to have some fun gaming there, though I'm buying it for 3 reasons: 1. you can turn it on with the controller
2. Live
3. So I've got something to do while waiting for the best machine. Nintendo Revolution.
As for potable music, I can't picture my self with something else then an iPod. My 30 GB iPod photo hasn't failed me yet, and I don't think it will.
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speaking of DS now you can play movies on it too
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evman101 wrote:

Serpent wrote:

Are you one of those kids who goes with the crowds and does everything everyone else does? A sheep? Oh wait, I guess you are. So sorry.
This from the iPod user.
Amazing, Evman.

I am also an iPod user, but that's just hilarious.

But then again, you could really say that about anyone who buys a product that a lot of people have already bought.
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BTW, are we now fighting each other cause of fun?
Or to guide 03ruby buying what YOU belive is right?

I wanna know what 03ruby has figured out.
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evman101 wrote:

Serpent wrote:

Are you one of those kids who goes with the crowds and does everything everyone else does? A sheep? Oh wait, I guess you are. So sorry.
This from the iPod user.

Hah
Erm, I bought an iPod for the reasons I listed. I am not doing it because it is cool, it is because I like Apple, and I have had an iPod since 3rd gen, wanted one since 2nd, I am a big Apple fan. My example of Atom or Ben or whoever I was talking to was that they openly admitted to avoiding the games because it basically wasn't cool. That was their main reason. You can't look for little things like that, actively avoiding popular things just because is just as stupid as judging things because it isn't popular. Though, I know and hope you are joking.
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Serpent add this program to your list of iPod goodies.

http://www.isquint.org/

Interesting, I was on that site today and found this. A much more simple but easy and even more convienient of Handbrake. The program icon is funny too, if you are familiar with the original Handbrake.

As for the original argument, I have all 3 devices mentioned, and I for the most part agree with the general opinion - The iPod is suitable for videos, and you don't have to pay the purchase price to get a second (and small to boot) amount of memory. I think it's true that the DS and PSP have a different agenda. That is, one wants to be a portable console, while the other wants to be original. Sadly, this does kill the PSP for me since I have only 2 games, both console remakes that I feel are the only good games at all for it.
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Serpent wrote:

evman101 wrote:

Serpent wrote:

Are you one of those kids who goes with the crowds and does everything everyone else does? A sheep? Oh wait, I guess you are. So sorry.
This from the iPod user.

Hah
Erm, I bought an iPod for the reasons I listed. I am not doing it because it is cool, it is because I like Apple, and I have had an iPod since 3rd gen, wanted one since 2nd, I am a big Apple fan. My example of Atom or Ben or whoever I was talking to was that they openly admitted to avoiding the games because it basically wasn't cool. That was their main reason. You can't look for little things like that, actively avoiding popular things just because is just as stupid as judging things because it isn't popular. Though, I know and hope you are joking.
And you don't get when someone is making a friendly joke. I know you love them for valid reasons, but come on, 75% of people who get an iPod do it because... well... it's an iPod... and it's cool... and they don't know any better. It annoys me what a hold iPod has on the MP3 industry. It's essentially a monopoly, because no other mp3 player can break it, no matter how much better the rival actually is. It'll never have the name "iPod". Annoys me.
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I can't think of any mp3 players better then the iPod, really....

Which do you think of evman101? And what makes them better?
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evman101 wrote:

Serpent wrote:

evman101 wrote:

Serpent wrote:

Are you one of those kids who goes with the crowds and does everything everyone else does? A sheep? Oh wait, I guess you are. So sorry.
This from the iPod user.

Hah
Erm, I bought an iPod for the reasons I listed. I am not doing it because it is cool, it is because I like Apple, and I have had an iPod since 3rd gen, wanted one since 2nd, I am a big Apple fan. My example of Atom or Ben or whoever I was talking to was that they openly admitted to avoiding the games because it basically wasn't cool. That was their main reason. You can't look for little things like that, actively avoiding popular things just because is just as stupid as judging things because it isn't popular. Though, I know and hope you are joking.
And you don't get when someone is making a friendly joke. I know you love them for valid reasons, but come on, 75% of people who get an iPod do it because... well... it's an iPod... and it's cool... and they don't know any better. It annoys me what a hold iPod has on the MP3 industry. It's essentially a monopoly, because no other mp3 player can break it, no matter how much better the rival actually is. It'll never have the name "iPod". Annoys me.
I understand what you mean, and I know it was a friendly joke, I was just backing myself up for anyone who took I seriously (there are horribly stupid people out there, and they're everywhere.)

Klut, evman thinks that creative player is better than iPod, however I disagree for several reasons, but that is for me.
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ben3308 wrote:

My friend has three seasons of Monk on his 30gig
This is really late, but....

YOUR FRIEND IS AWESOME! Monk is the greatest TV show!!!

Anyway, I've played my PSP for 8 hours staright on a roadtrip before. (Original bettery, no charging...)I have no battery complaints at all...
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Klut wrote:

I can't think of any mp3 players better then the iPod, really....
do some research.

http://www.creative.com/products/mp3/zenvisionm/

But personally, I won't get either. I've only had my mp3 for about 9 months, and though it's "outdated" I'm not going to be a drone and buy a new one yet.
As long as it plays music...I'm fine.

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Yes I do believe the creative player is better for several reasons

A) Better video screen
B) Better structure (Its thicker and heavy plastic - doesn't feel like its going to fall apart in my hands.)
C) FM Radio and Voice Recorder
D) More colors/screen themes to chose from, as well as the ability to have an image as your wallpaper.
E)Double the battery life on video of even the 60 gig iPod.
F) Not Literally tied to iTunes.
G) MANY more video formats supported, including Divx.
H) Can play WMAs
I) Possibly the biggest thing - It COMES with an AC adaptor so you don't have to have a frickin computer with you to charge the damn thing, and you don't have to pay extra for it. And don't say thats where the extra 30 dollars comes into play, because the other features i mentioned are worth more than 30 extra bucks.
J) It's not an iPod. razz
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See, Evman knows Exactly what he's talking about. Awesome.


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Posted: Fri, 6th Jan 2006, 1:01am

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evman101 wrote:

Yes I do believe the creative player is better for several reasons

A) Better video screen
B) Better structure (Its thicker and heavy plastic - doesn't feel like its going to fall apart in my hands.)
C) FM Radio and Voice Recorder
D) More colors/screen themes to chose from, as well as the ability to have an image as your wallpaper.
E)Double the battery life on video of even the 60 gig iPod.
F) Not Literally tied to iTunes.
G) MANY more video formats supported, including Divx.
H) Can play WMAs
I) Possibly the biggest thing - It COMES with an AC adaptor so you don't have to have a frickin computer with you to charge the damn thing, and you don't have to pay extra for it. And don't say thats where the extra 30 dollars comes into play, because the other features i mentioned are worth more than 30 extra bucks.
J) It's not an iPod. razz
B)iPod is made of metal, and feels very solid.
E)That is completely false
F)Neither is iPod, most apps have iPod plugins such as WinAmp
G)There are easy and quick ways to convert batch files with all of the free 3rd party support iPod is getting, so this isn't a problem

Now for personal reasons (these don't apply to everyone, just stating my view)
A)I don't notice any difference, the size is near same and the Zen is very thick.
C)I don't use either feature, I hate the radio (remember, these are personal reasons razz)
D)I actually dislike that feature, I would simply use a white image.
E)Isn't true, but even with more battery life, it is not needed at all (for me), and if I ever need more than 10 hours of music or 3 hours of video, I'll get a battery extender (sp?).
F)Even though this is so false, I like it synching with my player, I have everything there (it also syncs to my iPhoto)
G)Again, this doesn't apply to me.
H)iTunes 6.1 converts WMAs, which suck anyways, I find an mp3 version (or aac wav etc.)
I)I've already got one, old iPod had one
J)No comment.

Now here are my reasons for iPod's betterness both personally and generally:

General reasons:
1)Syncs so perfectly with simplicity
2)Fun little games to play every now and then
3)3rd party support and plugins to the max
4)Easy to use, great browsing, song ranking, and organization
5)Sleek look, awesome style
6)Apple quality
7)Tons and tons of space (didn't research Zen)
8)Cool music store for when I get gift cards
9)On the Go playlists, just make a little playlist that you can create, delete, etc. on the go, saved as playlist in iTunes.
10)It's an iPod

There are more, but I just want to get my first point out there.
Posted: Fri, 6th Jan 2006, 1:18am

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Serpent wrote:



B)iPod is made of metal, and feels very solid.
E)That is completely false
F)Neither is iPod, most apps have iPod plugins such as WinAmp
G)There are easy and quick ways to convert batch files with all of the free 3rd party support iPod is getting, so this isn't a problem

Now for personal reasons (these don't apply to everyone, just stating my view)
A)I don't notice any difference, the size is near same and the Zen is very thick.
C)I don't use either feature, I hate the radio (remember, these are personal reasons razz)
D)I actually dislike that feature, I would simply use a white image.
E)Isn't true, but even with more battery life, it is not needed at all (for me), and if I ever need more than 10 hours of music or 3 hours of video, I'll get a battery extender (sp?).
F)Even though this is so false, I like it synching with my player, I have everything there (it also syncs to my iPhoto)
G)Again, this doesn't apply to me.
H)iTunes 6.1 converts WMAs, which suck anyways, I find an mp3 version (or aac wav etc.)
I)I've already got one, old iPod had one
J)No comment.

Now here are my reasons for iPod's betterness both personally and generally:

General reasons:
1)Syncs so perfectly with simplicity
2)Fun little games to play every now and then
3)3rd party support and plugins to the max
4)Easy to use, great browsing, song ranking, and organization
5)Sleek look, awesome style
6)Apple quality
7)Tons and tons of space (didn't research Zen)
8)Cool music store for when I get gift cards
9)On the Go playlists, just make a little playlist that you can create, delete, etc. on the go, saved as playlist in iTunes.
10)It's an iPod

There are more, but I just want to get my first point out there.
Well some of your "fact statements" should be under preference... actually all of your factual statements aren't really factual.

It is made of metal, yes, but that makes it feel like a precious object that should not be touched. I'd use a player for some work (mowing the lawn with noise cancelling headphones) that i'd be scared to death of taking an ipod out to do. Not to mention its half the thickness of the visionm, and feels very fragile to me.

It does have double the battery life... check the stats.

Yeah Im not talking plugins or converters. Those are a pain in the ass a lot of the time. I'm talking about whats in the box, not if you're computer savy and can get all thesee programs and are an ipod freak and buy all of the extra accessories. Out of the box, the zen is better. Which means a LOT. I'd don't want to pay extra money and spend extra time getting all these extra add ons, if another player already does it.


and basically all of the last 10 things you have there (except number 10 of course) are true for the zen...


7)Tons and tons of space (didn't research Zen)


LOL that isn't very credible of you, if you mindlessly back an iPod, claiming its better than a product you haven't even looked into.
Posted: Fri, 6th Jan 2006, 1:20am

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serpent, Very good analyses. actually, all the things you listed only applying to you also apply to me and many other iPod users I know.

I might be confusing it with another player, but im pretty sure that the zen vision actually has a worse screen than the iPod. Again, i might be confusing them, but i remember having to hold the player at a very specific angle in order to view the videos. there is a much wider viewing angle range on the iPod.

Also, dont forget that the iTunes Music store is also a huge plus. I have never seen a better online music store. I love the large selection, the quality, the price, and the organization of the store in general. obviously thats just an opinion, I would never state that as fact, but im sure a lot of people agree with me.

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evman101 wrote:

Serpent wrote:



B)iPod is made of metal, and feels very solid.
E)That is completely false
F)Neither is iPod, most apps have iPod plugins such as WinAmp
G)There are easy and quick ways to convert batch files with all of the free 3rd party support iPod is getting, so this isn't a problem

Now for personal reasons (these don't apply to everyone, just stating my view)
A)I don't notice any difference, the size is near same and the Zen is very thick.
C)I don't use either feature, I hate the radio (remember, these are personal reasons razz)
D)I actually dislike that feature, I would simply use a white image.
E)Isn't true, but even with more battery life, it is not needed at all (for me), and if I ever need more than 10 hours of music or 3 hours of video, I'll get a battery extender (sp?).
F)Even though this is so false, I like it synching with my player, I have everything there (it also syncs to my iPhoto)
G)Again, this doesn't apply to me.
H)iTunes 6.1 converts WMAs, which suck anyways, I find an mp3 version (or aac wav etc.)
I)I've already got one, old iPod had one
J)No comment.

Now here are my reasons for iPod's betterness both personally and generally:

General reasons:
1)Syncs so perfectly with simplicity
2)Fun little games to play every now and then
3)3rd party support and plugins to the max
4)Easy to use, great browsing, song ranking, and organization
5)Sleek look, awesome style
6)Apple quality
7)Tons and tons of space (didn't research Zen)
8)Cool music store for when I get gift cards
9)On the Go playlists, just make a little playlist that you can create, delete, etc. on the go, saved as playlist in iTunes.
10)It's an iPod

There are more, but I just want to get my first point out there.
Well some of your "fact statements" should be under preference... actually all of your factual statements aren't really factual.

It is made of metal, yes, but that makes it feel like a precious object that should not be touched. I'd use a player for some work (mowing the lawn with noise cancelling headphones) that i'd be scared to death of taking an ipod out to do. Not to mention its half the thickness of the visionm, and feels very fragile to me.

It does have double the battery life... check the stats.

Yeah Im not talking plugins or converters. Those are a pain in the ass a lot of the time. I'm talking about whats in the box, not if you're computer savy and can get all thesee programs and are an ipod freak and buy all of the extra accessories. Out of the box, the zen is better. Which means a LOT. I'd don't want to pay extra money and spend extra time getting all these extra add ons, if another player already does it.


and basically all of the last 10 things you have there (except number 10 of course) are true for the zen...


7)Tons and tons of space (didn't research Zen)


LOL that isn't very credible of you, if you mindlessly back an iPod, claiming its better than a product you haven't even looked into.
I was talking about in the category I highlighted you twat. And not all of my things that were "factual" even though I meant general, were true. The Winamp plugin is great. What elese is there to use? iTunes is great. The iPod isn't fragile, you have some psychological thing in your head about metal objects. I do all that and more with my iPod (hiking, climbing, running, etc.) It is fine, but to prevent scratches just get a case. Metal is superior, that is a stupid excuse on your part. As for double anything, you were reffering to the 30 gig in video stats. I have the 60 gig.
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Ok guys, this has become stupid.

If you want to argue about who has the best MP3 player (serpent/evman), then do it over PMs, not on the forum.

I don't want to add iPod discussion to the list of banned subjects, so let's all be nice in future.

Arktic.