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Posted: Fri, 6th Jan 2006, 1:44am

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I have heard from intelligent people that Diet Coke can lead to brain tumors/other various health problems. I am not questioning them, but I want confirmation. Any scientific proof/research to back this up? It;s been bothering me.
Posted: Fri, 6th Jan 2006, 1:56am

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Yeah, as far as I'm aware.

The chemical sweetner (Apartame) has been linked in numerous independent research studies to the kinds of illnesses you've mentioned.

It's also one of the suspected causes of Gulf War Syndrome - when you ingest aspartame, it breaks down into various chemicals including nasties like Methanol, Formaldahyde and Phenylalanine. This decomposition is believed to speed up in warmer climates - and so when Gulf War I troops were given a lot of sugar-free drinks in the desert heat, the aspartame is believed to have damaged their brains.

However, for as much research that suggests there is a link, there is just as much showing that there may not be (research often funded by food manufacturers).

So, who do we believe? Well, I look at it this way - drinking sugary drinks will have an adverse affect on my teeth, and drinking sugar-free ones may damage my brain. So I choose sugary every time: you can get fillings and false teeth if you get cavities, but you can't get a false brain if you get a tumor.

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Posted: Fri, 6th Jan 2006, 1:59am

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I personally drink regular soda, diet just tastes bad anyways, but I worry about my friends and family that drink it every day. Is it a long term thing? I wish they would just do a big research study ont his, but I have never heard of a case directly linked to diet coke/whatever. (Thanks for the other info though.)
Posted: Fri, 6th Jan 2006, 2:05am

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Well, countless studies have been done, but we'll never really know.

The problem is that as soon as someone who is anti-aspartame publishes a study linking it to disease, a food company will sponsor resarch to invariably prove the first research wrong. And the people who make the laws on what is, and is not, safe for us to eat (the FDA in America and , I think, the EEC Council For Food in Europe) are constantly being lobbied by food manufacturers to ensure that such additives are still allowed.

And yes, it's a long term thing, but there's no real need to worry - there's so much polluiton, and radiation, and so many chemicals that do untold damage to our bodies in every single aspect of life on earth today, there's nothing you can do to escape it. For example, even in just simple, freeze-dried coffee, there are 50 chemical compounds that the FDA have no clue as to how they affect our bodies. So yeah, it's a good idea to try and eat healty, organic food as much as possible, and avoid E-numbers and additives, but don't loose sleep over it.

Cheers,
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Posted: Fri, 6th Jan 2006, 2:25am

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Arktic wrote:

there's no real need to worry - there's so much polluiton, and radiation, and so many chemicals that do untold damage to our bodies in every single aspect of life on earth today, there's nothing you can do to escape it. For example, even in just simple, freeze-dried coffee, there are 50 chemical compounds that the FDA have no clue as to how they affect our bodies. So yeah, it's a good idea to try and eat healty, organic food as much as possible, and avoid E-numbers and additives, but don't loose sleep over it.

Cheers,
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I love that. It's not a big deal 'cause we're screwed anyways. smile
Posted: Fri, 6th Jan 2006, 1:14pm

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Let's face it, if you are at all worried about your health, you wouldn't drink any soda. The high fructose corn syrup in the non-diet has a long list of heath issues far beyond dental concerns. The diet stuff has been associated with bone density loss, ADHD, etc. How much do you believe and what's important to you.

Drink up!
Posted: Sat, 7th Jan 2006, 12:12am

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Brain cancer is worth it because Diet Coke tastes better than any other cola flavored beverage.

Saying you're going to get cancer from drinking diet cola is like saying you're going to overdose on Marijuana. The amount it would take you to get there would far exceed your intake capacity, unless you injected large doses of the active chemical into your arteries.
Posted: Sat, 7th Jan 2006, 12:27am

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That's a very good point - but, like with cannabis, excessive usage over a very long period of time will have a detrimental effect on your health. Wether or not that's a risk you're willing to take, is a personal decision.

I tend to think that diet coke tastes RANK. But that might just be me.

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Posted: Sat, 7th Jan 2006, 9:51pm

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Arktic wrote:

excessive usage over a very long period of time will have a detrimental effect on your health.
Excessive usage of anything will be detrimental to your health.
Posted: Sat, 7th Jan 2006, 9:54pm

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Nah not root beer. You can never have enough root beer. smile

I find it kind of funny that some people seem to think Diet Pepsi is "healthy". It's still poop-in-a-can, just with no sugar. I drink normal coke/pepsi for the same reasons as Arktic though.
Posted: Sat, 7th Jan 2006, 9:56pm

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If you drink too much water at one time, you will die. Drink up that Diet Pepsi!
Posted: Sat, 7th Jan 2006, 10:17pm

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Sell that to Pepsi razz
Posted: Sun, 8th Jan 2006, 2:21am

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Water!

Pure refreshing beverage or deadly drink?




I know this is in extreme cases, I'm just making a point. Everything in moderation. Like Aculag said, too much of anything can kill.
Posted: Sun, 8th Jan 2006, 2:42am

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Here's just a thing from personal experience;

a few years back, I had a sort of "addiction" to soda. I would drink it a LOT. And I realized early on that all that sugar is has got to end up somwhere, so i switched to diet sodas.

its feasable that it was a coicidence, but i think not. with in a few weeks of having a can of soda every day, i began to have massive headaches shortly after drinking one. I stopped having so much sodas and the headaches went away after a few days.

It would seem that somthing in that soda was not exactly very good.

its possible that having any sort of soda so much would give you headaches like that (these were horrible), but i think it was the diet stuff in the soda.

So, make your own decisions people, but i think all this diet stuff is really not so good for you.

All the best,

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Posted: Sun, 8th Jan 2006, 3:10am

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sgb4622 wrote:

with in a few weeks of having a can of soda every day, i began to have massive headaches shortly after drinking one. I stopped having so much sodas and the headaches went away after a few days.

It would seem that somthing in that soda was not exactly very good.

its possible that having any sort of soda so much would give you headaches like that (these were horrible), but i think it was the diet stuff in the soda.
Well, those headaches, which both me and ben have had also (and are truly horrid, I agree), is the affect of caffeine-withdrawal, in which your body craves more coke, usually a moment after you have just had alot or an irregularly extended period of time in which you haven't had any. This can happen with any soda/coke (or "pop" for all you pook-ish Canadians smile ), not just diet, and it really depends on the ammount of caffeine in the drink.

I personally drink Pepsi over Coke, because, well, it's the cola. Though I like C2 (Half-Cal Coke) also, less sugary tasting, I guess. Caffeine-withdrawal/in-take headaches, and sodas associated with them can be found

here

Ah.......good 'ol Surge and Jolt Cola, remember them? My friend used to drink one when we were like 6 because he claimed it made it so he could do a backflip. He tried it once, on a diving board at that, and ended up getting multiple staples/stitches in the head. smile
Posted: Sun, 8th Jan 2006, 3:14am

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atom, thats sounds like that could be the answer. that i was craving the caffine in the soda. just one problem: it was caffine free. i do not have any caffine unless I really need to stay awake. that way when i really need the energy, it has a bigger effect on me cause my body isn't used to it.

I maybe it was the combo of having all those chemicals to remove the caffine and all the chemicals to make it diet. I dunno really.
Posted: Sun, 8th Jan 2006, 3:40am

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I read everyday of something in some kinda food that leads to some sorta illness.

Get over it and enjoy eating what you enjoy eating, if we listen to all the advice about how to live heathly, we would be the Bubble Boy and would avoid the sun because of risk of getting a freckle. The media of this day and age has gone into a weird state of worrying its audience so much, the worse the headline, the more it sells to the masses.

You are utterly lame if you buy a tabloid other than for the sport of Page 3 (UK).

P.S - just be careful of kebabs that give you E Coli food poisoning, I am never having a kebab again due to feeling like death in September.
Posted: Sun, 8th Jan 2006, 4:02am

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What I don't get is why people (usually Americans... no offense) don't seem to get that coke isn't the only liquid known to man. I drink water and juice... and only drink pop (or soda/coke for you atom-ish americans) when I go to a fast food or restaurant (maybe once per 2 months).
Posted: Sun, 8th Jan 2006, 4:09am

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I drink a fair ammount of pop, but only because I'm too lazy to bother mixing water and juice/cordial...
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I drink mostley water after that soda incident. I must say, drinking more water has made me feel phenominaly healthier. Most people drink way too much soda. and yes, as pooky said, what most people dont realize is that coke is the not the only thing to drink. when you are thirsty, your body needs more water, and filling it with all those chemicals may not be the best thing in the world.

well, have a good night (its 11pm here),

SGB
Posted: Sun, 8th Jan 2006, 5:50am

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pooky wrote:

What I don't get is why people (usually Americans... no offense)
Offense taken, actually, as I have talked to you in the past about the generalization that Americans (especially us southernes) drink soda/pop like water. We don't, at least, not in an unreasonable or slovinly way, and to say usually Americans without fact is well............rude.



Oh, and sorry, this is all just a big vent for what happened to me about an hour ago. I tripped on my driveway and fell on the side of my pants where I had pocketed my PSP. Now, the screen/LCD is all spliced different colors and the UMD drive wont stay closed. It's completely un-playable. I'm so pissed, you don't even know.


Maybe I can switch mine and Ben's while he's sleeping.
Posted: Sun, 8th Jan 2006, 6:53am

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pooky wrote:

when I go to a fast food or restaurant (maybe once per 2 months).
You go to a restaurant only once every two months? What, do you stock up for a year when you go to the grocery store? Or are there just not that many new restaurants to try?

As an American, I probably eat out either lunch or dinner once to twice a week, usually Friday night and Saturday/Sunday brunch.

It's not usually fast food, though, more along the lines of La Madeline french bakery (which I think they have in Toronto, coincedentally enough) or Pei Wei (which is pretty healthy Asian food).

On the coke (or soda/pop. I try to say "soda" most of the time to defeat the southern stereotype), I bet most of us drink it in a meal about three to five times a week, or more; which is why there are so many obese Americans. There really isn't a huge problem with drinking that much soda, so long as you exercise enough to stay healthy.

I dunno, but from the sounds of it, Canadians must never indulge in anything, ever. That's strange, man. Coke = delicious.

EDIT: Many who get tired of water often take to soda because it is less expensive and more readily available than juice.
Posted: Sun, 8th Jan 2006, 8:31am

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I usually drink up to five sodas a week at least, and I really don't care about my health in that sense (getting fat and things), my metabolism is so fast, that I really can't get fat. I hate the American steriotype, and I hate those people that foreign (from my POV) are using as the steriotype just as much. Just because I live in a location, doesn't mean I stock up on hamburgers and what not. Anyways, I prefer Coke over Pepsi, especially in a glass bottle. Coke in a glass bottle is my second favorite drink to Bawls. I like some Pepsi products, like Mountain Dew and what not. But I like Vanilla Coke more than Pepsi Vanilla, Cherry Coke to Pepsi Cherry, etc.
Posted: Sun, 8th Jan 2006, 10:21am

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Did you know this month they took Vanilla Coke off the line in North American for good, to be replaced by the new Black Cherry Vanilla Coke?

They're also gonna releasing Coca-Cola Blak, which is a coke/coffe hybrid. Pepsi tried something like that solely in PA and VA in 2000 and it backfired. Called "Pepsi Kona" or something, I think.

Also, I like C2, which is sad that it too is going away due to sales drops. Pepsi Edge, C2's competition, is already off the shelves.
Posted: Sun, 8th Jan 2006, 1:02pm

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ben3308 wrote:

pooky wrote:

when I go to a fast food or restaurant (maybe once per 2 months).
You go to a restaurant only once every two months? What, do you stock up for a year when you go to the grocery store?
Why would he need to stock up for a year? Couldn't he go every week like everyone else?

Back on topic, I don't drink carbonated drinks as I prefer fresh juice and coffee. Even if I did, as a smoker, it would be the least of my worries. My girlfriend gave up her daily 2 litres of Coke for distilled water last year and the benefits have been huge.
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why distilled water,

all you do is take out the oxygen from it, i dont understand what the point of it is? Why nopt just drink normal water.

Anyway...

I dont drink any soft drinks either, and i only go to fast food resturants 2 times a year. I drink fruit water, and ofcorse, tea and coffe. this diet coke sounds like death in a cup - lol - ah well

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SMB wrote:

why distilled water,

all you do is take out the oxygen from it, i dont understand what the point of it is? Why nopt just drink normal water.
Well at the moment and the forseeable future, our water supply is polluted with a particularly nasty parasite, so bottled water is our only option.
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As an american, i do have that automatic "dont generalize against me" response when people say americans drink to much soda and eat to much fast food etc.

however, for the most part it is unfortunatly true. of couse, not everyone in america eats too much fast food, i doubt everyone anywhere do somthing so uniformly. but most people do. the number of fast food restaurants down my block is sickening.

in movie theaters, there are a lot of people who buy the extra extra large soda. have you seen one of those things!?!?! the bottles are huge! the extra large popcorn boxes are almost as big as a shopping bag. i can't believe it when i see someone buying one of those things. and unfortunatly, its not rare at all to see someone buying one. its rediculus.

personally, i have only eaten fast 3-4 times in my life. yes, i loved it, it was amazing, but it left with this feeling of, wow what am i doing to my body. what is all this grease and fat and cholesteral doing to my heart.

back to diet coke, i do think its probably worse to have a huge bottle of diet coke and NOT excercise because i think im drinking healthy, than to have the same sized regualar coke and excercize afterwords.

drink water, eat grapefruit. its foolproof.

SGB
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Alex Reeve wrote:

SMB wrote:

why distilled water,

all you do is take out the oxygen from it, i dont understand what the point of it is? Why nopt just drink normal water.
Well at the moment and the forseeable future, our water supply is polluted with a particularly nasty parasite, so bottled water is our only option.
damm, that kinda sucks - big time.
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I'm an American*, and I think Canadians are all stuck up asshole descendents of stuck up asshole French people, so I generally don't like Canadians or the French, but I know for a fact that not ALL of Canada is filled with morons, same with France, same way American's* are not all huge disgusting slobs.

I eat fast food at lunch most days of the week because it's fast and I have only 30 minutes, although this mostly consists of mexican food, which, while I'm sure that's not the healthiest thing I could be eating, it's better than a greasy burger and fries. I used to drink a lot of soda, but now I usually only drink water and juice. I know of the effects these types of foods can have on my body, and I care, because I'm overweight. But at least I admit it, and am taking steps to prevent gaining more weight.

*Actually, "America" is a continent (Two continents really), not a country. Sorry to break this to you, Pooky, but you're an American too.
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I'm Canadian and i think there is no real difference "people-wise" between here and the U.S., people always talk about Americans being fat and overweight, but its pretty much the same here, in my oppinion.

But, yeah. I don't realy eat much fast food, but i do drink a lot of soda, and i dont realy get much physical excersize. I'm not very fat, but i am not very fit either. I am a thin "flubber-ish" guy, not much muscle. Im trying to change that fat into muscle now, or at least just trying to reduce the fat, by excercizing everyday ( well not everyday, but i try ). So, yeah, hopefully we can all be healthy ( lol , thats a bit corny )
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ben3308 wrote:

pooky wrote:

when I go to a fast food or restaurant (maybe once per 2 months).
You go to a restaurant only once every two months? What, do you stock up for a year when you go to the grocery store? Or are there just not that many new restaurants to try?

As an American, I probably eat out either lunch or dinner once to twice a week, usually Friday night and Saturday/Sunday brunch.

It's not usually fast food, though, more along the lines of La Madeline french bakery (which I think they have in Toronto, coincedentally enough) or Pei Wei (which is pretty healthy Asian food).

On the coke (or soda/pop. I try to say "soda" most of the time to defeat the southern stereotype), I bet most of us drink it in a meal about three to five times a week, or more; which is why there are so many obese Americans. There really isn't a huge problem with drinking that much soda, so long as you exercise enough to stay healthy.

I dunno, but from the sounds of it, Canadians must never indulge in anything, ever. That's strange, man. Coke = delicious.

EDIT: Many who get tired of water often take to soda because it is less expensive and more readily available than juice.
What? I eat normal food that my mom makes... we go to the supermarket every week or so and we eat organic (might sound stupid to some, but since my mom started buying organic stuff I haven't had the cold once, and we started roughly 2 years ago... might just be coincidence though cause I don't think the cold is caused by pesticides).

I can't say pop doesn't taste good, and I did drink 5 cans in a row this Thrusday at my friend's LAN Party, but we don't even have any pop in the house right now... juice tastes good, you know.

Water is cheaper here than soda... dunno why it would be more expensive in the US. There's also the tap... and those Brita water filterers remove any strange taste the water might have.

Atom and Aculag, sorry if I offended you, that wasn't what I was trying to do. But during the periods of time I've been in the US, the people around me have been exactly like the stereotypes that float around. I went to a McDonald's and it was full of fat people eating mega size meals and there were McDonalds at every corner almost and portions were gigantic and there were tons of fat people everywhere etc etc. Now I know what I was seeing was just a small fraction of the American.. erm... USAian public, but New York and Washington DC are pretty big cities.

I don't want to claim Canada is perfect either though, since we have our share of pop and junk food enthusiasts as well.
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pooky wrote:

I went to a McDonald's and it was full of fat people eating mega size meals and there were McDonalds at every corner almost and portions were gigantic and there were tons of fat people everywhere etc etc
Well, if you go to a bloody McDonald's what do you expect? McDonalds is one of the main problems and you go there and see fat people in it? OMG what a shock...
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Not to mention that New York and DC are HUGE domestic tourist centers and most New Yorkers are actually fit because they walk everywhere.

And another thing, most any who chew gum- which is most of the time sugar free these days- will, if they eat almost a whole pack, be receiving more aspartame than with a can or two of Diet Coke. Just something to think about.

At least they don't make too many things with olestra anymore. I don't want my Baked Lays causing me any anal leakage.
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Hmm... guess it was just what it looks like from the outside then, sorry confused
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I asked my bio teacher about aspartime today, and here is what she said:

the ingredient people worry about in aspartime is phenelanynine. this is an amino acid (im pretty sure) that some people cannot digest. when these people have phenelanynine, it causes retardation.

everyone is tested at birth for this, so if you have it you would know. people who are intolerant cannot have any protein in their diet until the age of 17 to try and prevent retardation (well obviosly they have some protein, but only in specially designed drinks and foods). so phenelanynine should not affect people who are not intolerant.

now, that does not mean diet coke doesn't have other bad things in it...
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ben3308 wrote:

Did you know this month they took Vanilla Coke off the line in North American for good, to be replaced by the new Black Cherry Vanilla Coke?

They're also gonna releasing Coca-Cola Blak, which is a coke/coffe hybrid. Pepsi tried something like that solely in PA and VA in 2000 and it backfired. Called "Pepsi Kona" or something, I think.
This is terrible news. sad Vanilla Coke brings emories of Summers to me, it is my favorite canned soft drink. I hate all this replacing of soda for new soda, I also hate all these weird flavors. Pepsi re-released MOuntain Dew Orange or whatever, so anything can happen.

I don't remember Pepsi Kona, I live inVriginia, from Summer 99 to 06 after living in Germany, and I am up to doate on sodas, because I love them. smile According to Wikipedia, this drink was only released in Penn. and then renewed in Europian Countries as Pepsi Cappucino. (Romania, Malaysia, and Bulgaria.) Interesting though, I should give it a try if it is rereleased to the mass public.
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What I found funny was when I was in NY, there was this booth giving away free sodas, something like "Diet Cherry Vanilla Dr Pepper"... tasted really good though.
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pooky wrote:

What I found funny was when I was in NY, there was this booth giving away free sodas, something like "Diet Cherry Vanilla Dr Pepper"... tasted really good though.
That is the most disgusting drink, it's not even funny. I don't really like Dr. Pepper in the first place, but variations of it with vanilla are just horrid. The one style/variation of Dr. Pepper I really liked (that I think they took off) was Red Fusion, a mildly cherry Dr. Pepper. It was actually really good.

Red Fusion.
Whose ya soda?
Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006, 9:25pm

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You don't understand. I thought the name was hilarious, since we don't have anything worse than something like "Diet Pepsi. No caffeine." afaik.
Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006, 9:28pm

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In my town Diet Coke is known as Cancer Coke.. Since there is a MINIMAL chance that you can get cancer from it... Though after I told every one about that, they find it more fun to drink all the cancer sodas crazy
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I dare someone to name something that doesn't give you cancer. NOPE. You're wrong. It does give you cancer.
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ben3308 wrote:

At least they don't make too many things with olestra anymore. I don't want my Baked Lays causing me any anal leakage.
This just reminded me of something I read, for those that don't know about Olestra, check this out (it's kind of gross, but not really, but if you complain, you were warned. smile)
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Waser wrote:

I dare someone to name something that doesn't give you cancer. NOPE. You're wrong. It does give you cancer.
....cheese?
Posted: Thu, 12th Jan 2006, 9:14pm

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Waser wrote:

I dare someone to name something that doesn't give you cancer. NOPE. You're wrong. It does give you cancer.
The AIDS virus!