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FXhome - the 2006 makeover

Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006, 3:38pm

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As you may have already noticed, FXhome.com has undergone a slight revamp! After the big re-design in December, malone has continued to beaver away on the layout, navigation and general appearance of the site.

Thanks to everyone for their feedback over the last few weeks, as it influenced a lot of the changes you see here now. We hope you like the new design - here's a few of the changes to look out for:

• The (ever-growing!) Preset Library can now be found in the Products section.

• The News has been split from the Community section. This means you can head straight to the news using (surprise!) the 'News' tab.

• Meanwhile, the Community tab will now take you directly to the forum index, which should prove extremely useful to all you regular FXhomers!

• You can now read about the hippest software development crew in town by heading to the Team page. Don't forget to play spot-the-difference with the Spotlight photos from a few years ago.

If any of the site is looking a bit wonky to you, be sure to hit Ctrl+F5 to do a full refresh of the page. Clearing your internet browser cache will also do the trick.

We hope you like the new look!

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Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006, 3:45pm

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Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006, 4:05pm

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Never forget this, a website doesn't look at all. smile It's just a bunch of letters that is interpretated by your browser. So then it's good to follow the real rules... www.w3.org ...wich FXHome.com still really doesn't sad.

Most pages don't, but it's really exellent if you do. And © at the end of the page should not be a ©, but a "©", wich follows the rules.

And yeah, I love the new look, but it can always be better. smile
Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006, 4:09pm

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Tarn wrote:

Don't forget to play spot-the-difference with the Spotlight photos from a few years ago.
Before


After
Compare if you like http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/54/039_36411.jpg

Tarn has become Edward Norton!!

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Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006, 4:13pm

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So then it's good to follow the real rules
If you follow the rules, nobody will ever notice you. It's actually when you do something that breaks the rules, that you get some attention. And im not talking about webpages son, no im talking about life itself!

btw. this team must have broken every rules, cause my god this place is growing huge! smile
Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006, 4:15pm

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Erfa wrote:

So then it's good to follow the real rules... www.w3.org
The site does conform to the spec more than ever before, but I'm the first to admit that it's still a long way off. In an ideal world I'd like it to be 100% correct, but in practice our priority is to make sure it works for everybody. It would take us 100x as long to create something that validated correctly and in the end it would look exactly the same to most people, so I can't justify it as a good use of our time.

I also personally think the spec is a mess which even browser designers can't agree on how to implement properly. Hopefully they'll continue to clean their stuff up and we'll continue to clean up our code, and one day we'll meet somewhere in the middle smile
Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006, 5:04pm

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malone wrote:

Hopefully they'll continue to clean their stuff up and we'll continue to clean up our code, and one day we'll meet somewhere in the middle smile
That sounds like a good plan. I usually think the same about my pages.
Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006, 6:02pm

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The site does look really good again, but I think the type on the rate buttons and the * of * posts should be a little bit darker, as it appears to fade into the background.
Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006, 6:10pm

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NICE GUYS. biggrin
Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006, 9:07pm

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Am I the only one that sees some text as green?
Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006, 9:11pm

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i do as well.....
theres another thread about the new site somewhere..? posted on there about it...

"on this page
http://fxhome.com/community/infoboxes.php
i've refreshed, cleared cache etc etc.. the infobox thingys are dark blue (like the same site kind of?) and the text is like.. bright green?
it supposed to be that way?
(also my "search" button to search the forums is the same blue as well... ? meant to be that way?)"

looks odd to me...

-MAGIC
Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006, 9:23pm

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I gotta admit, it's still looking a tad 'wonky'. I mean, there's like three different color schemes going on, not the mention the nav system still looks odd to me. Maybe it's just that shopping cart that's freaking me out.

Make that 4. You've got the main grey (which looks fine), then there's the purplish blue infoboxes, then there's the matrix-esque news archive, and the cinema.

Everything is a different scheme. It's just a little disorienting
Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006, 9:31pm

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If that green is on purpose... well I have to say it's hideous. If it's not, there might be a bug in Firefox?

Oh and that strange bug where when you click on the sides it highlights all the text in the page is still there. Otherwise, I'd say it's changed for the better.
Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006, 9:36pm

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Hmm so it appears the site looks much different in IE than in Firefox.
Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006, 9:36pm

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This is also messed up http://www.cafepress.com/fxhome/
*ok, it's fixed now wink

I love the new stile guys, it's loads better then the last "generation" razz

Thanks, and gratz with all you work wink

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Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006, 9:37pm

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Marek - yep. In IE I still get the horrible green text (please don't tell me it's on purpose) but not as much as in Firefox... neutral
Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006, 9:40pm

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Pooky - I wasn't talking so much the green text, more the purple bluish infoboxes. smile
Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006, 9:41pm

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They look the same in IE and FF here...?
Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006, 9:45pm

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That's odd. Here the boxes are darker in firefox, and they have green text. In IE they are lighter and have white text.
Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006, 9:55pm

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They look the same except for the green text/white text issue here.
Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006, 10:13pm

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this is what I see...



is that right??? crazycrazy

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Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006, 10:16pm

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Yes, links are meant to be green. I personally quite like how they look in most places (although I agree the green on the blue should probably change). But, as always, we are open to improvements/suggestions from the community.
Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006, 10:28pm

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Hi Guys,

Love the new design smile just wondering, I don't know if you know or not, that the sound downloads are not about.

Just thought I would let you know wink

Good job

dalder
Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006, 10:33pm

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The links are meant to be green unless they are in a box which uses rollovers (like the front page news list). It looks like the info boxes need to be updated with rollovers rather than green links.

As for the styles, there are only 2 different styles, cinema and the rest of the site. The only difference being that the cinema has a dark background.

All pages can use boxes of 4 different colours but most of the time we only use 1. On the news page we use more to split the main news from the community info, and the cinema uses them all to give a more dynamic look.

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Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006, 10:34pm

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dalder wrote:

Hi Guys,

Love the new design smile just wondering, I don't know if you know or not, that the sound downloads are not about.

Just thought I would let you know wink

Good job

dalder
Yeah they are. Support - Extras - Sound Downloads.

http://fxhome.com/sounds/downloads.html
Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006, 10:42pm

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Ahhhhh, Thanks Marek I really appricate the help smile

Thanks

dalder
Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006, 11:04pm

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I like the site, but it doesn't keep a consistant colour scheme.

Also, the preset text is to scrunched, try a different font, this preset looks like it says: Tomado.
Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006, 11:20pm

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Sorry, but go back smile. Go back to what is was before. The green text is, as pooky said, hideous, the lightsabers and rate buttons are to... pastely (for lack of better word), and the whole thing... I don't like it. Sorry guys. The site DOES load faster though, good job on that.
Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006, 11:32pm

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pooky wrote:

If that green is on purpose... well I have to say it's hideous. If it's not, there might be a bug in Firefox?
its green for me as well...

EDIT: well i just read the topic and the above is answered

pooky wrote:

Oh and that strange bug where when you click on the sides it highlights all the text in the page is still there. Otherwise, I'd say it's changed for the better.
i noticed that too on the old site but i only notice it on the presets page...
Posted: Wed, 11th Jan 2006, 12:47am

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serpent wrote:

Also, the preset text is to scrunched, try a different font, this preset looks like it says: Tomado.
Also, on the page about the team, Tarn's name looks like Tam.

Anyway, I think people's usernames are a tad too small. Also, the Rate Up/Down buttons are too light, as already mentioned.

I like FXhome and all...but this new site is not that hot....

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Posted: Wed, 11th Jan 2006, 12:58am

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While I didn't really like the last update, I got used to it, and this one is FAR worse. What's with the green? Give me a break, guys. Pick a color scheme and stick with it. Green in a color scheme that includes gray, white and blues just does not work. Come to think of it! Neither does yellow or red, but I got used to those.

Maybe I'll get used to this too, but it looks utterly horrid at the moment. I beg you to change it back.
Posted: Wed, 11th Jan 2006, 1:31am

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I'll buy vision lab if you guys change it back.*




*Disclaimer: "Buying" in this case, refers to the imaginary purchase of goods, with emphasis on the "imaginary" part. No exchange of currency will occur.
Posted: Wed, 11th Jan 2006, 2:59am

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TimmyD wrote:

Sorry, but go back smile. Go back to what is was before. The green text is, as pooky said, hideous, the lightsabers and rate buttons are to... pastely (for lack of better word), and the whole thing... I don't like it. Sorry guys. The site DOES load faster though, good job on that.
In agreement with Timmy here, for once. IU wrote this in another thread, but seeing as this is the one most mods are responding to, I'll write it here.

I like alot of the things of the 06 version that fixed some in the late December, but the all-white header looks extremely basic and tacky, generally unprofessional. I tohught the gradient that CSB had going on at the top looked really nice and professional and gave, I dunno...a certain depth to the site. Now, it's just oddly contrasting colors on a plain white background, which looks template-ish and generally bad in my opinion. Lemme say some pros and cons here:

Pros:
-Search button not so bright blue anymore
-Preview, Submit, and Post Reply buttons look more polished
-Goes straight to forums
-most conflicting colors cleaned up
-tabs and buttons more squared of and polished

Cons:
-to clean up conflicting colors, everything was just made gross white. blecchh
-nothing follows the rules of good web design now, color wise, especially the green text of the forum and the red, green, and blue in the cinema archives.

NONE of those colors really complement eachother; and the cinema is a completely dark-colored page compared to the completely light-colored rest of the site. This loss of continuity throws me off and looks as if someone forgot to update one half of the site or something.

I'd say what really kills the revamp is the elimination of the gradient in the header, truly. Compare the site now to the December version:

Back in December, I was a little iffy because the forums were off, but was happy because the header and navigation looked pro and very clean and organized. Now, it looks as if I forgot to clear my cache (which I did, btw) and there's a little outline around the buttons, which, in my opinion, was a horrible move, aesthetically. I liked the black/grey gradient buttons with red text, it really fit the whole red/grey/black color scheme of the fxhome logo.

Now, there is literally NO color scheme. Some pages of the site adhere to one and some to another. I'd recommend rolling back to some of the features of the December revamp and keeping some of this one.

I know CSB has worked hard to make this site what it is, but I'd say this revamp only a month after a huge one was unecessary, and really a step backwards, in my opinion.

I know CSB is constantly trying to make the site better and better, but don't pull a George Lucas on us here and ruin it from too much tweaking. Please, I actually like this website. Please.
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Stick to software and start a creative department.

*cough* yes I did this, anyone like it better? *cough*
http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/1637/fxhome8dh.jpg
</selfpromotion>


This is almost worse than the last one. Perhaps you should have stuck to plums? I would defiantly recommend getting rid of the cut edges as not everything that works in software necessarily works on the web.

The contrast is defiantly better. In the previous version we couldn’t see, but now the green is taking our eyes out. Also yes the site needs to be accessible but it also needs to look good (it use to, what happened?) or potential costumers will just leave. Your not apple you don’t have so many services and sections that you need to differentiate colors on ever page. Were not stupid! Sure you may lose a few costumers because the site won’t be as accessible but you will also gain the ones who just left because it wasn’t pretty and if you would take another look at your stats I’m sure not many people who visit are running Windows 95 at 800x600 anymore.

Good luck on your next attempt!
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I must say I think you guys are being rather harsh and in many cases are just pretty wrong. biggrin

How anyone can think this site is worse than the Dec version is beyond me. Its clearer and follows 1 scheme (before each section has its own colours now it all uses the same css and images appart from the cinema).

With the dark gradient header (last version) you couldn't see the brand pure and simple, now you can. You also couldn't see the text meant tabs and people without English as a first language found it hard to read as it was ALL CAPS. The new header is vastly better than before in EVERY SINGLE way. We all agree on this at FXhome and the professional web developers we've asked so thats how its going to be.

The green links WERE the advice of a professional web designer (so you should stop saying we should ask them). The ones we had were blue and they said they totally had to change as blue is the default. We are considering changing them back now but this seems to be the only problem people are really bringing up, most of the others are accidents rather than by design.

Your not apple you don’t have so many services and sections that you need to differentiate colors on ever page. Were not stupid!
Only 1 section is different and thats the cinema. The rest use the same scheme just the news has extra box colours which we've picked not to use else where (we'll change these to grey now). The forum is now more like the rest of the site than ever. The cinema is different and thats a good thing.

The random blue background on the cinema poster images was an accident from the old site and will soon be fixed.

Sure you may lose a few costumers because the site won’t be as accessible but you will also gain the ones who just left because it wasn’t pretty and if you would take another look at your stats I’m sure not many people who visit are running Windows 95 at 800x600 anymore.
Not sure what Windows 95 has to do with it but over 25% of the people visiting the site have 800x600 so we won't be dropping that for a while.

Stick to software and start a creative department.
How about you stick to not making cheeky comments? We didn't go with your design because the bar and tabs were far too dark - you can't even see the tabs on many monitors. The font was also hard to read when not aa which is the case with many browsers with text that size. The FXhome brand was also too small. As you can see we did take onboard some of your ideas for text links and the lighter header background, but people have already complained about that (although I think it was a good idea and we're sticking with it).
Posted: Wed, 11th Jan 2006, 10:39am

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While I haven't been partial to either of the new sites, I, as I think many of us are, know the difficulties of being a webmaster and determining schemes and unique layouts. My favorite site was the dark blue, before both updates. I think some simple text color changes will definitely do the trick. Although, I like a little darker site...It is your company and I am sure you guys are not doing things on a whim and have put thought and research into the change. I only wish I could have the php and css skills needed to develop a site like this. Guess I'll have to stick to html and tables. wink
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Thanks sfbmovieco,

Just like the programs, it takes time to get things right. We're making some changes today to resolve a few things and will continue to do so over the coming days/weeks/months. I'm sure the new design gives us a better foundation to work on than any we've had before.

Changes you'll see today include...
- BUG : Colour behind small movie posters fixed
- New link colours biggrin
- Updated forum buttons to make text clearer
- Updated News page so people no longer consider it to be a different style
- Slightly darker page text in general (including the red text)
- Header text (preset / movie titles) spaced more for easier reading
- Darker area behind the force lightswords
- Slight dulling down of the white box backgrounds
- Slight dulling down of the white forum backgrounds
- Some forum links updated to new styles
- Improvements to usernames on the forum

Should be done in the next hour or two, make sure you ctrl-F5 biggrin
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schwar wrote:

How about you stick to not making cheeky comments?
rolleyes

I'm glad you guys came to your senses and made the site look like it was designed by someone who can actually see.
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Hehehe... I think we nearly all wear glasses here at FXhome biggrin
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Are you on like 1% brightness, Schwar? Also concering the 800x600 I was only speaking about accessibily the fixed 800 width should be left alone, I dont see any reason to make FXhome flruid. Also I see you decided that the green was no here to stay ater all as I see its gone now, perhaps you should reconsider asking the porffesionals AND the users next time. Good choice.

The fact you did not decide to go with my mock up does not bother me as much as you think. You fixed all of the issues I addressed, even though I still dont agree with the clipped tabs.. they work in the software but not here. Im trying to tell you what its like from a users perspective. If you dont want me making comments then ban me.
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Slick and Schwar, theres no need for fighting about this. Please stop.

One thing: I would like it if on the news page the infobox things were on the left like they used to be, I do not like them at all to the right. Or maybe we could customize the page?
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Woah, I just noticed that you can change your username...

Are there any side effects of that?

Like if I just changed my name from evman101 to Evman (I always wanted to fix that)... would that have repercussions? (cinema submissions changing, other stats changing, etc?)
Posted: Wed, 11th Jan 2006, 8:58pm

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I just changed my name from Jonne to MrShmoe (that's the name I wanted when I signed up but unfortunately it was already taken then). And it doesn't look like I've lost any stats.

About the design of the site: I love that you got rid of the grading at the top. Looks more professional now.
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TimmyD wrote:

Slick and Schwar, theres no need for fighting about this. Please stop.
Schwar's not really fighting, and Slick is just looking for a reason not to come here anymore. smile

But otherwise, the site looks much better now guys. Nice job.

EDIT:
Alright, so maybe slick isn't trying to find a reason to leave.

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Love the newer changes, but I think the text colour should match the search button, and the navigation and top look strange. The very top should be a darker grey (slightly), and I like Slick's design for the buttons (not bubble things, no shopping cart logo, software over products, etc.)
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Hmm, this is kind of off-topic (I like the site now) but Schwar, you don't seem to like criticism, and Slick is a customer. Not listening to customers' complaints and telling them they are wrong is a bad habit to take if you're to stay in this business long...

Hopefully that doesn't sound offensive.
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Pooky wrote:

Hmm, this is kind of off-topic (I like the site now) but Schwar, you don't seem to like criticism, and Slick is a customer. Not listening to customers' complaints and telling them they are wrong is a bad habit to take if you're to stay in this business long...

Hopefully that doesn't sound offensive.
To add to this you didnt mention just me, Schwar.

schwar wrote:

I must say I think you guys are being rather harsh and in many cases are just pretty wrong. biggrin
You need to understand that no matter what the "professionals" you may have think you should be satisfying your customers not them. I’ am in no way trying to say that everyone hates it the new design, but a lot of people do.

Of course you don’t have to do what I say. I don’t have as much experience as many of the others you have at your disposal, but I do know some things.

You may have improved sales at the moment but this is because you have launched new products it has absolutely nothing to do with the way you redesigned this site and eventually it will begin to have a negative impact on your sales as opposed to having something user friendly and easy on the eyes.
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Slick wrote:


You may have improved sales at the moment but this is because you have launched new products
This may be the case. New products are always a dream for a company and give them a chance to reach to a much broader audience.


Slick wrote:


it has absolutely nothing to do with the way you redesigned this site
I don't think this can really be measured. From the sheer influx of new people on the site, I think this point has no merits.

We as consumers should have a say in the business, because we are giving them business. With that being said, how many businesses that you know of are open to critical and unwarranted criticism for their storefront, online or off. You would not walk in to your local pizza parlor and say, "The way your logo has two primary colors with no cool and complimentry colors makes no sense. Also, you need some window decorating on the left, because the right looks unbalanced."

Age is not an issue when it comes to web designing because it can be grasped and ran with at an early age in my opinion; however, business matters I believe are different. With all due respect, I too would listen to known professionals rather than 14 year old consumers.


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and eventually it will begin to have a negative impact on your sales as opposed to having something user friendly and easy on the eyes.
With the last batch of changes, I think the site is great. Change for a company is very good. I think this last quote is a stab at something that is just not true. This site now and will surely always be more user friendly than most internet companies sites. The products really sell themselves. I think the FXHome staff and their website are able to stay out of the way enough for that to happen. smile We are really spoiled to even have one on one conversations with founders of a company, and having the ability to scold them on how awful you think their designing skills are.

Pooky wrote:

but Schwar, you don't seem to like criticism, and Slick is a customer. Not listening to customers' complaints and telling them they are wrong is a bad habit to take if you're to stay in this business long...
Can you blame him? I wouldn't really call most of it criticism, rather just unbent agression by people who are using photoshop to redesign the index page and nav bar. It takes more than a steady hand in PS to build a website. The sheer fact that their store front, forums and cinema are fully integrated is a testament to their work. Slick may be a customer but I don't see him having a valid complaint. Customer service is one thing; putting up with people who are saying, "I could do it so much better!" is something completely different.

My dollar and 2 cents...
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Slick - As Marek pointed out, I'm not trying to fight with you - you can see that much of our top section is influenced directly by your design.

I didn't point out problems with your design to get at you. I pointed out mistakes and problems so you could see them and improve in the future which I think is what most people here has been trying to do with us as well? If anyone has been slagging off for the sake of it then they really are not welcome here, I think they know that!

I'm not sure what evidence you have to support the comments about future negative sales - we have many professional people (some which you'll hear about later in the year) saying exactly the opposite.

Every website we've ever released has been disliked compared to the previous one by some regular users - this is a common problem with web designs and it will always happens. You also say some people don't hate the design but lots of people do - this also isn't a fact. Only a few users have stated they dislike the new design in this post, more have told me directly on char or in this post they like it.

We've made maybe 20+ designs for the new site over the last 6 months and shown them (including yours) to numerious people and this is the design they nearly all of them went for. We do research these thigns both inside the FXhome userbase and outside it.

Pooky - I'm affraid your point is quite invalid. Firstly, as I stated above, I was not fighting with Slick. As the past shows (and the update today), if we are told "this would work better like this" we try it out or we use the knowledge we have from running a software and website company for nearly 5 years to work it out. Also, the customer isn't always right and its patronising to act like they are. Things were getting out of hand so I tried to stop some things dead before they continued.

Both me and Malone would like to thank all FXhomers who commented in a constructive way - as you can see it has already helped biggrin
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Hi Guys,

I really like the new design, I personally liked the green text, and the blue is ok, but I would of thought you maybe would have gone with red as the FX is red in the logo, just an idea.

Really like the new design

Keep up the goos work

topcat - previously known as dalder
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Hehe, red was my original link colour for this design, but it wasn't liked in tests. Guess its a kinda negative colour and often bad/angry.

Maybe I'll pop it back in the css for a 1 day test sometime, see if things go crazy. biggrin
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yea, that would be interesting, lol, but I suppose you right with red being a bad/agery colour, but that was my first thought for the colour you would have smile

Keep it up

TC
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schwar wrote:

Also, the customer isn't always right and its patronising to act like they are.
Well, if they're giving you money, and they have the option of stopping giving you money, then yes, of course they are right.

I do like the redesign better now that the green is gone, and some other things have been fixed up. I still must say that I dislike the new tab bar at the top, but I suppose i'll learn to live with it in time. I also must point out that I liked the colors of the cinema a lot more before the 2006 overhaul. It's lost a lot of its vibrancy that I loved (It was the only thing I really did like about the dec. 05 update).

The speed is improved though, which must be commended, and I'm glad to see you were so quick on changing the site, based on user feedback. Very professional... however, I still don't fully like it razz But of course, thats just me.

EDIT - woo my name is just Evman now!
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Yeah, the new name change stuff is cool. maybe I'll change mine to escape from all these design issues wink
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schwar wrote:

Yeah, the new name change stuff is cool. maybe I'll change mine to escape from all these design issues wink
I definately read that as "...change mine to 'escape from all these design issues'"

And I was thinking, that would be a pretty long username wink
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Hehehe
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sfbmovieco wrote:

With all due respect, I too would listen to known professionals rather than 14 year old consumers.
Look sfbmovieco I may be 14 but I have been designing for nearly 3 years now. I have also done work for a wide variety of clients and design studios, and as far as business goes I have taken both business law and business management courses on my own time. I read up on 15 or so design and usability blogs. I’ve read a whole lot of books on the subject, done video tutorials on typography, color theory, and lots of other subjects. I’m sorry that you can’t respect someone younger than you.

sfbmovieco wrote:

It takes more than a steady hand in PS to build a website. The sheer fact that their store front, forums and cinema are fully integrated is a testament to their work.
I' am fully aware of this, and I' am not a web developer. I’ am a web designer; Malone does a fine job with the coding. What I consider my self good at is making psd mock ups of the web interfaces as I hate to code.

schwar wrote:

Slick - As Marek pointed out, I'm not trying to fight with you - you can see that much of our top section is influenced directly by your design.
Yes the top section is influenced by my design and addresses all of the issues I spoke to you about. Glad were not fighting wink

schwar wrote:

We've made maybe 20+ designs for the new site over the last 6 months and shown them (including yours) to numerous people and this is the design they nearly all of them went for.
I offered to work on my concept further, but you told me it would be useless as it would never be put into effect and all of the issues it addressed had already been talked about. If you were going to show my work to anyone you could have at least given me the chance to do more than a navigation bar. I asked and you pretty much told me I would be wasting my time.

Perhaps we should continue this discussion by PM or email, as others tend to jump in not knowing we discussed this before?
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It's not an issue of respect for your work. As I have yet to see any of your fully designed pages, I cannot respect or disrespect it. What I have a problem with is your attitude and your tone.

It is definitely a challenge as you allude to, to be good at both the mathmatical and visual aspects of building websites. I try to have my hand in both pots, but I am a more visual person.

You very well may have all of that experience you mentioned, but what makes you think I don't have it or that Malone & Schwar don't have that same or more experience? Books, blogs and classes are great tools to help you along your way. But the proof is in the pudding.

You have totally skirted the issue with this last post...My issue with your comments was that you said this design was weak and will basically ruin their sales. How can you prove this is true? What is your formula for when this will happen?

Again, you may be very well at all of those things. But far be it for you, or any of us for that matter, to tell a group of experienced coders and designers how to run their business.
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CRAP!! I just realized it costs force to change you username after playing around with it for quite a while. surprised
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sfbmovieco wrote:

It's not an issue of respect for your work. As I have yet to see any of your fully designed pages, I cannot respect or disrespect it. What I have a problem with is your attitude and your tone.

It is definitely a challenge as you allude to, to be good at both the mathmatical and visual aspects of building websites. I try to have my hand in both pots, but I am a more visual person.

You very well may have all of that experience you mentioned, but what makes you think I don't have it or that Malone & Schwar don't have that same or more experience? Books, blogs and classes are great tools to help you along your way. But the proof is in the pudding.

You have totally skirted the issue with this last post...My issue with your comments was that you said this design was weak and will basically ruin their sales. How can you prove this is true? What is your formula for when this will happen?

Again, you may be very well at all of those things. But far be it for you, or any of us for that matter, to tell a group of experienced coders and designers how to run their business.
Obviously if you just had a problem with my tone you would have never gone to my page just to find something you could pick out, which happened to be my age. Now the fact of the matter is yes Malone and Schwar are experienced and yes they know what their doing. What I’m trying to say is that certain things can be improved, and I have discussed the design with both Malone and Schwar privately back when we had the Plum FXhome as well as the version prior to this one. I can stop expressing my complaints and we can go back to green links if you like.

I may have come off a bit harsh but that’s because I don’t want to see this place fail. I’m not trying to pass myself off as an expert but I do have some experience and like to express my concern. I have great respect for Schwar as he started FXhome, and Malone is one of the best coders I’ve had the pleasure of talking to. The “stick to software and start a creative department” was aimed towards Schwar because I talked to him about contrast and I think we all agree the green was horrid razz
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The Artur wrote:

CRAP!! I just realized it costs force to change you username after playing around with it for quite a while. surprised
Hehe, that's pretty funny.

Whoops crazy
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Although you will be able to change your name again if you have enough force.
smile
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Slick, I somehow doubt that Fxhome's success lies on few small web design issues rather than the programs. wink

I thought it was obvious that part of the Mantra here at Fxhome was that anything can be improved upon, perhaps it's more obvious to those closer to the team/workings than to everyone else - Improvement is the whole reason the preview software/gradual site changes exist in the first place, I think the ears of fxhome are very open to new ideas or suggestions. The fact that you truely believe anything you say may have some form of effect slick, is in itself credit to this.

Now... not every suggestion is something that will be implemented. And this is something I also believed was obvious. Sometimes things simply have a bigger picture and sometimes things just go how the main team feel happy with them. It's true that at some point alterations may be made which were suggested and turned down earlier but that's exactly what trial and error is for.

In the meantime, I'm afraid you'll just have to bite it, Atleast be happy that your advice has been acknowledged and listened to rather than simply shunned.
Anyway... FXhome's traffic has done nothing but increase over the last few months, does this not speak for itself? I doubt the change is as irksome for those new here even though it does mean us old-timers need to do a bit of re-exploring. wink

-Hybrid.
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Hybrid-Halo wrote:

Slick, I somehow doubt that Fxhome's success lies on few small web design issues rather than the programs. wink

I thought it was obvious that part of the Mantra here at Fxhome was that anything can be improved upon, perhaps it's more obvious to those closer to the team/workings than to everyone else - Improvement is the whole reason the preview software/gradual site changes exist in the first place, I think the ears of fxhome are very open to new ideas or suggestions. The fact that you truely believe anything you say may have some form of effect slick, is in itself credit to this.

Now... not every suggestion is something that will be implemented. And this is something I also believed was obvious. Sometimes things simply have a bigger picture and sometimes things just go how the main team feel happy with them. It's true that at some point alterations may be made which were suggested and turned down earlier but that's exactly what trial and error is for.

In the meantime, I'm afraid you'll just have to bite it, Atleast be happy that your advice has been acknowledged and listened to rather than simply shunned.
Anyway... FXhome's traffic has done nothing but increase over the last few months, does this not speak for itself? I doubt the change is as irksome for those new here even though it does mean us old-timers need to do a bit of re-exploring. wink

-Hybrid.
Well said Matt. I do feel that what I have to say has been listened too and implemented in most cases, particularly involving the navigation and the green. Its definantly more than anyone else would have done. Well Ill have to join the re-exploring with you then.
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Oh god above thank thee for the ability to namechange... after YEARS of foolishness I am free I repeat, I AM FREE!!!1ONE!

Yamfanny is dead and gone!!!!!!1!
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Quiet down YamFanny.

razz
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YamFanny.

Ssshhh...
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I now have the magic of a capital P! ooOOOoooh!
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Pooky wrote:

I now have the magic of a capital P! ooOOOoooh!
Now you look at least 13 years old biggrin
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Bugclimber wrote:

Oh god above thank thee for the ability to namechange... after YEARS of foolishness I am free I repeat, I AM FREE!!!1ONE!

Yamfanny is dead and gone!!!!!!1!
You will still be called Yamfanny in every possible situation in which you are involved, Yamfanny.

I noticed that Jonne (forgot his new name), Pooky, Evman, Cogz, and Buclimber are all of the real changes. Anyone else? (Sorry if I missed you.)

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This is going to get confusing if everyone starts changing their name. If you're gonna do it, keep it simple like this.

evman101 > Evman
pooky > Pooky

For everyone's sake... please!

biggrin
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Evman wrote:

This is going to get confusing if everyone starts changing their name. If you're gonna do it, keep it simple like this.

evman101 > Evman
pooky > Pooky

For everyone's sake... please!

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I concur. razz

steeb69 > Steeb
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I know it's better to make small changes but I hated using my studio name as my username so I changed mine from AcjPictures to LilCaesars.
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Well, I'ev come to hate that 4622 I used to have on my name. But just SGB seemed so short, and plus it was only my initials, so... I added on the 4622 and its bothered me ever since.

So now, I AM SGB!!!

regards,

SGB

PS: just out of curiosity, Bugclimber: what is Yamfanny?
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the ability to change names is brilliant, but my name might fit into one of the excluded categories (I got banned from TF.N for using it to sign up smile)

does anyone who reads this think 'batTUrd' is rude/offensive?
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SGB wrote:

PS: just out of curiosity, Bugclimber: what is Yamfanny?
You don't want to know, but if you must... CLICK (End of page one, and a good part of page 2 holds the conversation.)

JMSG: No, I wouldn't think so, but just make it "Guano." wink

No offense though, but it's a very weird name, it turns me away from anything having to do with it, just my humble opinion. (Not film-wise, but website, username, etc.)
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Serpent wrote:

JMSG: No, I wouldn't think so, but just make it "Guano." wink


you're the second person to say "call yourself guano" but i have no idea what it is still...

EDIT:

Dictionary.com wrote:

A substance composed chiefly of the dung of sea birds or bats, accumulated along certain coastal areas or in caves and used as fertilizer.
hmmm... razz

Serpent wrote:


No offense though, but it's a very weird name, it turns me away from anything having to do with it, just my humble opinion. (Not film-wise, but website, username, etc.)
i chose that name to make sure i stayed in people's memories razz
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What happened to the nice option of clicking on the name of the person who posted to view their profile, above the rating buttons. It's now at the bottom. No big deal, just a nice conveinynce, crap I can't spell.
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Slick - I never said you were wasting your time at all, I can post the entire chat log here if you wish. I said we were working on the designs again after Christmas and, at the time we spoke, we were mainly working on making the site faster.

When you showed me your design I said your tabs were hard to see and maybe took up too much room but the logo did need to stand out more (like your design) compared to the design we had at the time.

You then said you said you needed to be added to a special group so you could see the comments which were being made in the testing areas of the forum at which point I replied "heh". This is because, just like any other business, you would be required to sign a non-disclosure agreement which requires you to be 18 - just like all our beta testers.

Age is a factor, as is background. You are 14 and have some experience in web graphic design but 3 years isn't very much really. I myself have about 7-8 years background in html and about 16 years in Photoshop which I've used in this job and several commissioned jobs before that.

The professionals we talk to have been working in web design for many years at a rather more hardcore level than you or I. They deal with contracts of $25,000-$500,000 for massive brands. They spend massive money on research in to all elements of design. They know more than us about the subject so we listen.

I'm sorry you remember me as just saying you were wasting your time but this isn't what I said. If you want to enhance any of our designs give it a go, and we will see what we think and how we can impliment changes if needed.
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Framen Noodles wrote:

What happened to the nice option of clicking on the name of the person who posted to view their profile
I've added this back in, hit refresh.
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Hey, this site is getting pretty slick now. I'm impressed.
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malone wrote:

I've added this back in, hit refresh.
......WOW.....that was amazing. That took like no time whatsoever. You are awesome. Thanks
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Aculag wrote:

Hey, this site is getting pretty slick now. I'm impressed.
Is that an intended pun or...?
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malone wrote:

Nice sig. smile (However, on this site I disagree.)
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Yeah, green would look good on a site about plants.

But film?

Our survey says.....

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Pooky wrote:

Aculag wrote:

Hey, this site is getting pretty slick now. I'm impressed.
Is that an intended pun or...?
Haha come on pooky this is Aculag were talking about.
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Slick wrote:

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Hey, this site is getting pretty slick now. I'm impressed.
Is that an intended pun or...?
Haha come on pooky this is Aculag were talking about.
Exactly. wink
Posted: Fri, 13th Jan 2006, 2:34am

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This is just a small thing, but all of the pages still say '© 2005'...
Posted: Fri, 13th Jan 2006, 2:57am

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Just noticed you have to use your email to log in. That sucks. This is why people like email logins for GMail rather than something, like, say, SBC Yahoo! email inbox. I find- and it could just be me here- that just a username for logging in is a great deal easier, especially if you're like me and your clear your cookies pretty often.

Maybe put the option to just submit a username rather than email address in the forum options so we don't have to be hassled as much.

One more thing, I have my account registered to my old email address, is there a way to easily change that?

Thanks in advance, Ben.
Posted: Fri, 13th Jan 2006, 6:51am

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ben3308 wrote:

Just noticed you have to use your email to log in. That sucks. This is why people like email logins for GMail rather than something, like, say, SBC Yahoo! email inbox. I find- and it could just be me here- that just a username for logging in is a great deal easier, especially if you're like me and your clear your cookies pretty often.

Maybe put the option to just submit a username rather than email address in the forum options so we don't have to be hassled as much.

One more thing, I have my account registered to my old email address, is there a way to easily change that?

Thanks in advance, Ben.
Actually i've noticed that too, but I've never had to use my e-mail address. I just ignored that and typed in my username anyway by itself and it worked!!! You should try that and if it doesn't work, well.....uh.......
Posted: Fri, 13th Jan 2006, 9:26am

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rogolo wrote:

This is just a small thing, but all of the pages still say '© 2005'...
This is intentional. The date usually indicates the year it was created (ie when copyright came into affect) rather than just the current year.

ben3308 wrote:

Just noticed you have to use your email to log in
Over the years we've found usernames are problematic. People create multiple accounts, forget which username they've used, never update their email address, etc. Using an email for login solves a lot of problems we get constant support queries about.

As Framen Noodles has already noticed, you can actually still use your username, although we're not advertising that fact smile
Posted: Fri, 13th Jan 2006, 4:15pm

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Atom wrote:

Slick wrote:

Pooky wrote:

Aculag wrote:

Hey, this site is getting pretty slick now. I'm impressed.
Is that an intended pun or...?
Haha come on pooky this is Aculag were talking about.
Exactly. wink
If you guys are saying I made an intentional pun, you're wrong, and as far as I'm aware, Slick has nothing to do with this site, other than being a member.

Or were you saying that I make accidental puns? Either way, the facts that slick thinks he's a website designer and that I mentioned the word slick in my post have nothing to do with eachother.
Posted: Sat, 14th Jan 2006, 9:48am

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Another small thing....

Maybe you can link the 'FXhome Merchandise' image on the front page to the merchandise page.
Posted: Sat, 14th Jan 2006, 1:22pm

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rogolo wrote:

Another small thing....

Maybe you can link the 'FXhome Merchandise' image on the front page to the merchandise page.
That and the other things that should indefinetely be links (imo) like 'Global Cinema' and 'Huge filmmaking community'.

Should all be links biggrin
Posted: Sat, 14th Jan 2006, 3:46pm

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Mad, I think the merchandise used to be linked... I bet malone will fix that first thing next week. The competition banner used to be linked as well...
Posted: Sat, 14th Jan 2006, 10:10pm

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schwar wrote:

Mad, I think the merchandise used to be linked... I bet malone will fix that first thing next week. The competition banner used to be linked as well...
And also the movie links, should be so that if you click the movie's banner or the larger fontsize title above should be clickable to the movies details.

That's instantly what I have done and how I expect it to work to be honest smile
Posted: Sat, 14th Jan 2006, 11:59pm

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Also, I don't think all of the images under 'Manage Your Movies', have been updated since the blue and yellow style. Way back. At least they don't look it. Some of them are still shiney like the previous style, and others are blue.
Posted: Sun, 15th Jan 2006, 2:09am

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My product page in my "Options" menu looks like this:

Posted: Sun, 15th Jan 2006, 4:07am

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I didn't notice the updates on the Products pages before now, great job. Can it get even better then this?
Posted: Sun, 15th Jan 2006, 8:29am

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Klut wrote:

Can it get even better then this?
Yes. They can give everyone a free copy of VisionLab.

(That would be sweet! lol )
Posted: Sun, 15th Jan 2006, 10:22am

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Just notied you have changed the product sites a little! ULTRA NICE!!!!!
Posted: Mon, 16th Jan 2006, 7:56pm

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Oooh! I like the new homepage!!! (With the new flash intro...)
Posted: Mon, 16th Jan 2006, 8:01pm

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Hey Tarn, you should have a party when you get up to +1000. That would be cool. Only four to go. (I don't get out much) razz

Plus, the new site is great! Wonderful job fxhome!