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Smoking preset

Posted: Thu, 12th Jan 2006, 5:44am

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SGB

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It would be awsome if someone could make a smoke preset that would be used to make someone appear to be smoking. I've tried it myself, but it always comes out looking splotchy, and the color and opacity is always wrong.

Anybody?

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Posted: Thu, 12th Jan 2006, 6:05am

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Smoking, like, a cigarette? Or a person literally smoking like they are on fire?

A cigarette is a pretty cheap prop, and quite easy to make a fake one.

Anyhow, I've got a smoke preset or two that I'm working on, but smoke is a difficulteffect to achieve with Penguin right now, as the particles don't really last quite long enough. Also, cigarette smoke is very wispy, and that is difficult to do with particles.

I do hope to submit some smoke presets in the not too distant future, but it won't be right away, for the above-mentioned resons.
Posted: Thu, 12th Jan 2006, 8:38pm

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I meant, if a person is smoking a fake cigarette (already have these), when he breaths out smoke comes out of his mouth. THAT is the smoke i am refering too.

it would be awsome to get that preset
Posted: Thu, 12th Jan 2006, 10:06pm

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Ah, that makes more sense. I might be able to do that. I'll give it a try in the next few days.
Posted: Fri, 13th Jan 2006, 12:46am

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Thanks biggrin

For Alienware, our upcoming movie, we recorded a scene with a teenager (playing an older person) "smoking" a fake cigarette, knowing that we could add in the smoke in post production. Turns out, particle smoke isn't as easy as i thought it would be.

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Posted: Fri, 13th Jan 2006, 4:27pm

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wouldn't it be easier just to get your actor to smoke! And if they dont smoke, get one that does. Whats the point in having a non smoking actor in a roll where he/she smokes?
Posted: Fri, 13th Jan 2006, 5:30pm

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Its healthier this way. smile
Posted: Sun, 22nd Jan 2006, 12:03am

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I'm not sure why you want him to be smoking...but hey! It's yuor movie! Like Axeman says it's quite hard to make such an effect now. Perhaps in the future. I tried making an effect...but it didn't turn out as well....it wasn't smoke like your were talking about it is more or the kind of smoke that was in star wars III were they were fighting on the pipes the smoke does go fast but still....it looked weird. The only thing i can think of for both our situations is some sort of stock media!
Posted: Sun, 22nd Jan 2006, 7:48am

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SGB wrote:

when he breaths out smoke comes out of his mouth. THAT is the smoke i am refering too.
As Axeman and others have said, at this point this type of smoke may be tricky, if not un-reachable at the moment in EffectsLab DV/Pro. However, I never really like to say that it can't be done. EffectsLab DV/Pro may not be the most desirable program for this, but it is more capable than some people would like to say, and if you tell me from what side or angle your scenes are filmed, I may be able to give this a try for you when I get some time. I do not know when this may be, but I have had some luck in the past using the particle engine, and may be able to help you out.

There is always a possibility.
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Posted: Sun, 22nd Jan 2006, 6:31pm

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If you know somebody who smokes, you could have him smoke in front of a greenscreen or something...! biggrin

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Posted: Sun, 22nd Jan 2006, 9:16pm

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i dont think a greenscreen would work because then the smoke would look green, its transparent, and would also be keyed out.

personally i didn't want the character to be one that smokes, but im not the director just the fx and camera guy so i couldn't argue. plus, the character isn't a "smoker" if you know what i mean, he just smokes for about 15 seconds and eventually catches on fire (rather odd i know, but i didnt make it up...)

our caste consists of three 15 year olds who wanted to film a movie. we cant just "get an older actor", becuase it would be rather odd to have most of the caste be kids, and then have the character the adult plays be no older than the other characters. in other words, the character who smokes is not older than the other characters, even though an older actor would play him.

again, i didn't write the script so that decision wasn't mine.

ok, the angle is probably the easiest there is for this kind of thing: he is blowing the smoke across the screen, towards the right. not away or towards the camera at all.

we dont want to use stock footage becuase then when the actor moves, the smoke will "move with him" if you know what i mean.

i can deffinatly see that this is a very hard effect, so if it doesn't look so amazing, i guess its just to bad. i just want a preset that is passable, so that its recognizable for being smoke and doesn't look totally out of place.

all work is really very appreciated. im sort of way over my head tring to do this project, so there are a lot of shots where i have no idea how im going to do them.

thanks a lot,

SGB
Posted: Sun, 22nd Jan 2006, 9:33pm

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I still hope to have a go at this eventually. For filming stock smoke, it is best to use a black background, instead of a green. The tricky part is lighting the smoke without lighting the black background. Then the black can be removed fairly easily.

I'm sure we can come up with something as a preset though.
Posted: Sun, 22nd Jan 2006, 10:35pm

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If anyone got some good smoking stock footage it would be great, smoking can be very cinimatic but I would be hard pressed to get my actors to do it, they are made of clay.
Posted: Sun, 22nd Jan 2006, 11:27pm

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I've got a preset done that it not too bad. I think. I can't quite submit it yet, but I'll try get it submitted soon. Look for it in the next few days.
Posted: Mon, 23rd Jan 2006, 5:28am

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I have created a preset as well, using the description of your video. I will be uploading it now, but I thought it may be best to learn a few more details about your scene, just incase another version is required. Many things can affect how a smoke preset should be. From the brightness of the shot, to how close up the actor is in the frame, to how long the actor exhales.

The preset I have created is intended for a fairly close up shot of the actors face, and the result is a bit better when used on a darker back ground. It comes out as a some what quick exhale (maybe a second, not quite), and then moves across the screen towards the upper right hand side while decreasing in speed slowly fading away. It isn't particularly large at the moment, but seems fine for the footage I used while creating it.

It is an okay smoke effect, but it could possibly be better, and knowing some of these variables could help me make it so. If I were to create it with a certain shot in mind (maybe a frame of your footage), I am confident I can make a realistic smoke effect, not to say the current one isn't. For the time being, I will upload this one, and it may due just fine, however I know it could be better, given the correct circumstances.

Hope it is to your liking.
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Posted: Mon, 23rd Jan 2006, 4:52pm

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By the way, SGB, you said that you had lots of other shots that you have no idea how to do...! You should post the other problems in time, so you got time to think about how to do it. I'm sure you'll get lots of tips!

I'll be glad to help..! smile

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Posted: Mon, 23rd Jan 2006, 4:52pm

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thanks very much wizard. it is pretty close shot in a dark room, so thats great!

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Posted: Mon, 23rd Jan 2006, 4:55pm

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Oeyvind wrote:

By the way, SGB, you said that you had lots of other shots that you have no idea how to do...! You should post the other problems in time, so you got time to think about how to do it. I'm sure you'll get lots of tips!

I'll be glad to help..! smile

Oeyvind
Well. for the past few weeks i have been posting the problems, and people have been helping a lot. i've gotten answers to ALL of my questions. FXHOME ROCKS


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Posted: Mon, 30th Jan 2006, 4:39am

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Would this work good for breath in cold weather? The preset?
Posted: Mon, 30th Jan 2006, 8:53am

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Big Kahuna wrote:

Would this work good for breath in cold weather? The preset?
Yes, the preset could be just as affective for that. Other than the physical element of having a cigarette in the actor’s hand leaving the audience to naturally relate the smoke to cigarette smoke, and possibly the color, there is really no reason why the preset could not double as a precipitation preset. The only thing I could think of that could make it questionable may be the color, but I don't believe that would be a problem.

I think it would work.
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Posted: Tue, 31st Jan 2006, 12:31am

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Thanks!