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VisionLAB HD Vs EffectsLab/CompositeLab Combo?

Posted: Wed, 18th Jan 2006, 12:51am

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GrenadaV

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Hi,
what is the difference, aside from price, in buying Effectslab Pro/CompositeLab Pro combo compared to VisionLAB HD?

cheers
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Posted: Wed, 18th Jan 2006, 1:10am

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Well, you get all the features from elab and clab mixed into one easy to use interface, making every thing a lot faster. Also, there are some vlab only features you can read about here http://fxhome.com/visionlab/visionlab-overview.html on the lower right hand side of the page. everything labeled "exclusive" you get only in vlab.

Also, vlab has a commercial liscense so you can sell your work, and you also do not have to credit fxhome in the movies you make.

Hope this helped,

SGB
Posted: Wed, 18th Jan 2006, 1:22am

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SGB has most of it covered, except his priorities are a bit backwards. smile The commercial license is the primary thing, plus all the other things SGB mentioned. Also, new developments will go into Vlab before (maybe) filtering down into the other progs, so Vlab users will be at the cutting edge of new stuff. smile
Posted: Wed, 18th Jan 2006, 1:24am

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My post did seem to make the commercial lisecense seem like an afterthought...but it deffinatly is not. thats really the only reason I would ugrade to it, becuase I have the basics covered in clab and elab.

SGB
Posted: Wed, 18th Jan 2006, 1:29am

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Tarn wrote:

SGB has most of it covered, except his priorities are a bit backwards. smile The commercial license is the primary thing, plus all the other things SGB mentioned. Also, new developments will go into Vlab before (maybe) filtering down into the other progs, so Vlab users will be at the cutting edge of new stuff. smile
OK, Thanks SGB and Tarn,
hhhmmmmmm, now I only have to decide whether I go the full monty and jump in with VLAB or go in steps....
....DOH! My brain hurts wink lol.

cheers
Rossco
Posted: Wed, 18th Jan 2006, 1:32am

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If you think you will ever get visionlab, get it first. it costs more to buy it in steps. that is, unless you want to be a really really nice person and give fxhome more money... razz

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Posted: Wed, 18th Jan 2006, 1:38am

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SGB wrote:

If you think you will ever get visionlab, get it first. it costs more to buy it in steps. that is, unless you want to be a really really nice person and give fxhome more money... razz

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Yeah, well it makes sense to also have one inerface/app instead of 2 to do the same job, and like you say, it costs more in steps...those 2 things alone will probably sway me toward VLAB...
...plus of course, if I ever get lucky enough to sell anything from it(Yeah Right!), I can smile smile

Rossco
Posted: Wed, 18th Jan 2006, 1:41am

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a quick question, if we make stock footage in elab, can we destribute it? can we sell it? i would think not, becuase it would require crediting them in the end. so if we give out stock footage, even if we credited them after, the people using it would just cut it out. I really wanted to share some stock footage with people who dont have elab...

Anybody know? would i have to get vlab to do this?

SGB
Posted: Wed, 18th Jan 2006, 10:42am

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A credit would still need to be put on the clip. As for the subsequent filmmaker incorporating it into their movie, you could ask them to put an acknowledgment in their credits that stock footage was created using FXhome products.
Posted: Wed, 18th Jan 2006, 9:29pm

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ok, good ill do that. Ill just ask them to credit fxhome.

SGB
Posted: Wed, 25th Jan 2006, 4:07pm

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so visionlab comes with basically what digigrade would have been, plus all that other stuff thats a given?
Posted: Wed, 25th Jan 2006, 4:10pm

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Gnome326 wrote:

so visionlab comes with basically what digigrade would have been, plus all that other stuff thats a given?
VisionLab has lots more grading filters, but it doesn't have the functionality of what DigiGrade would have been, as we've never developed the DigiGrade tech. DigiGrade's true functionality would have needed specific interfaces. Whether they ever see the light of day depends on current sales. smile
Posted: Thu, 23rd Feb 2006, 2:53am

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Hey real quick! So as long as I put the little short "FXHOME" logo video at the end of my movie then I'm free and clear to show this movie to anybody right?
Posted: Thu, 23rd Feb 2006, 3:12am

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JUIDAR wrote:

Hey real quick! So as long as I put the little short "FXHOME" logo video at the end of my movie then I'm free and clear to show this movie to anybody right?
Yes.
Posted: Thu, 23rd Feb 2006, 2:52pm

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also do you have to use one of those logo's provided on the website or can you just put fxhome in the list of credits?

also, if i make a little 10 second clip that i want to show to my friends cause i think its cool, do i need the fxhome logo if its such an insignificant clip?

thanks

SGB
Posted: Fri, 24th Feb 2006, 5:18am

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SGB wrote:

also do you have to use one of those logo's provided on the website or can you just put fxhome in the list of credits?
Unless the guidelines have changed recently, I am fairly certain you are not obligated to use the credit videos supplied by the FXhome team. They are intended only to provide a flashy credit to them, if so desired; it is not required. It should be perfectly acceptable for you to simply add them in your credits; and would most likely be welcomed if you were to create your own. I think I recall Tarn inviting members to do so, actually.

SGB wrote:

also, if i make a little 10 second clip that i want to show to my friends cause i think its cool, do i need the fxhome logo if its such an insignificant clip?
I don't believe that is a requirement either, no. Sample or example clips only intended to be viewed by a small audience (friends, family) do not require credit to FXhome, as far as I am aware. I do know for certain that if your goal is to make any monetary gain from your use of the FXhome programs, not including VisionLab HD, you must supply a credit to FXhome.com.

To be safe, it is wise to assume the same for any videos that are to be uploaded to the internet, and viewed by a larger audience than simply yourself, and friends. Although I would have to say that the best overall course of action would be to contact the team by email, if you have any concerns regarding your licenses agreement when venturing into an area you are un-sure of.

SGB wrote:

thanks
Welcome.
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Posted: Fri, 24th Feb 2006, 2:26pm

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wait a minutes, i thought that i couldn't sell things i made in effectslab at all. i thought that if i wanted to sell things i need visionlab.

if this is not true, what does this liscence that comes with vision do aside from letting you not credit fxhome?

thanks,

SGB
Posted: Fri, 24th Feb 2006, 2:30pm

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SGB wrote:

wait a minutes, i thought that i couldn't sell things i made in effectslab at all. i thought that if i wanted to sell things i need visionlab.

if this is not true, what does this liscence that comes with vision do aside from letting you not credit fxhome?
Precisely that: you don't need to credit FXHome.

As long as you credit FXhome, you can use the DV and Pro products as you wish.

This is not possible for many professional and commercial productions, such as music videos, advertisements etc - which is when VisionLab is required. Seeing as such productions will invariably have a much larger budget, the higher cost is easily offset in return for the convenience of the commercial licence.

The DV and Pro products, on the other hand, are cheaper so that no-budget and non-professional users can also afford them. In return for dropping our prices, we ask for a credit be put on all productions, giving us some free advertising. Again, we consider this to be good trade-off.
Posted: Fri, 24th Feb 2006, 2:34pm

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oh i get it. thanks.
Posted: Wed, 1st Mar 2006, 12:36pm

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SGB wrote:

Well, you get all the features from elab and clab mixed into one easy to use interface, making every thing a lot faster. Also, there are some vlab only features you can read about here http://fxhome.com/visionlab/visionlab-overview.html on the lower right hand side of the page. everything labeled "exclusive" you get only in vlab.

Also, vlab has a commercial liscense so you can sell your work, and you also do not have to credit fxhome in the movies you make.

Hope this helped,

SGB
So the only way I can sell my movie, if the FX are done in EffectsLab Pro as opposed to Vision Lab is to seek permission from FX home?

am I reading what you said correctly? That the only way to sell movies made with FXhome products is to get Vision Lab?

If thats the case how do I get a refund? I should have the right to do whatever I want with my film since I spent the money on it.
Posted: Wed, 1st Mar 2006, 12:39pm

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Not at all. As described in the licence agreement and in this very thread, the DV and Pro products require that a credit be included. That is the only stipulation - you can still sell and/or distribute your productions as you wish.

VisionLab HD doesn't require the credit. That's the difference.
Posted: Wed, 1st Mar 2006, 12:43pm

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If thats the case how do I get a refund? I should have the right to do whatever I want with my film since I spent the money on it.
This isn't true with lots of software licences (this is what you own with all software, NOT the software itself, just a licence to use it). Educational discount software normally doesn't allow you to do anything commercial with it, some doesn't even let you use it for any non-learning purposes at all.

We offer the DV/Pro products at a low price to all consumers because we want to make affordable software. Because of this we can't afford much/any traditional advertising so we ask people to credit us on their movies as word of mouth advertising.

This shouldn't come as a surprise either as its stated in the agreement you read before buying the program in the shop AND the one you agree to before installing the software.
Posted: Wed, 1st Mar 2006, 12:57pm

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Tarn wrote:

Not at all. As described in the licence agreement and in this very thread, the DV and Pro products require that a credit be included. That is the only stipulation - you can still sell and/or distribute your productions as you wish.

VisionLab HD doesn't require the credit. That's the difference.
Ok,

I just want to be clear on that. Because I spent $7,000 making my film, and if I was unable to recoup the cost back because of this I would have been pissed. As I am sure you can understand.

No offense, you should include this information as part of the product description on the page set aside for each product. Not hide it in the TOS or in small print on the buyer's page.
Posted: Fri, 21st Apr 2006, 2:25pm

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it's clearly there in the licence agreement. You should perhaps learn to read such things rather than expect others to change just because you couldn't be bothered to read something properly. The obligation is yours to read it. It's a standard thing really and for the sake of a credit at the end of the film you can hardly complain at the price they sell these amazing packages at.