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Cinema Movies are LAME!!!

are alamdv movies in the cinema getting lame?

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Posted: Mon, 22nd Apr 2002, 3:01pm

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I have been a alamdv user for over a year now, and i have to say, the movies in the cinema are LAME!!!

film is about telling a story, not about 3,000 "effects tests", or movies about "we made this in five minutes just playing around".

effects dont make a film, the story does! all i'm saying is that alamdv is a tool to telling your story, these lame 2 minute movies are driving me nuts!

PLEASE, will someone post i movie with a plot, or charaters, or something other than a "test", because it's lame, seriously!

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Posted: Mon, 22nd Apr 2002, 3:05pm

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a) This is a site for an effects package and the cinema is for users to show off how they have used the effects. Many users have longer films on their own sites or simply do not have the space anywhere to put up longer clips.

b) Where is your amazing epic?
Posted: Mon, 22nd Apr 2002, 3:08pm

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I have to agree with Kid.

We like what is sent to us, if you don't then don't view them or send us something you think is better. If you were wise then you would have sent us such a movie before slating other peoples.
Posted: Mon, 22nd Apr 2002, 3:11pm

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dude, you're lame.

People are working on larger projects, but those take a while, and alamdv has a relatively small user base.

So far NCC and X are the few whom have made stories, and we're working on one right now.

unfortunately, to your disappointment, we're first going to upload a trailer/test.
Posted: Mon, 22nd Apr 2002, 3:14pm

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anonymous

I respect your comment, and your right, this is a place for people to showcase there effects work, i appreciate that.

My issue is that that is all there is, 3 minute shorts that people made on a saturday with lightsabers. Even the best FX people must understand storytelling in there shorts.

I am worried that alamdv will become associated with these meaningless "lightsaber" short films and not evolved into what it could become.

"where is my epic?" you ask. "Clam Fries" and "DownTown" begin principle photography in mid June. Unlike the films in the cinema, there is a script to be worked out....rehearsals, shooting permits, props, budget...
these short 15 min films take months to create, and there is not a lightsaber to be seen...
Posted: Mon, 22nd Apr 2002, 3:19pm

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I think exactly the opposite - the cinema section is gradually improving.

Filmmakers such as Sidewinder & Mechaforce, Sollthar and Kingpiin are all improving with each release. X is delivering some great fun *story-based* films like Baby Bat Girl. And the short 'test' sequences are getting more innovative.

Most people here don't have time to go and make a full film, or even a fully-rounded short film. Most people do this stuff for fun, and do it very well. Others, such as myself, use this as something of a test ground. Our Muffy And Jebediah films aren't exactly high art, nor are they meant to be - from my point of view they are technical experiments; films in which we can play around and try out different techniques (not just with special effects, but with filming and structure and all sorts) with films that, essentially, don't matter. We're not using anybody's money, and we don't have an obligations. That doesn't mean we don't try our best, though. smile

In other words, the test stuff here is all a means to an end.

For those here that want to get into film/tv seriously, the alamdv cinema is just one route down a very long road. It'll be interesting to see who gets to the next stage first...
Posted: Mon, 22nd Apr 2002, 3:28pm

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anonymous

having read this comments, i think that i was wrong....

From the marketing and such, i thought alamdv was supposed to be a tool for deleviering afforadable FX work in short, independant film. From your comments, it seems that it's more of an electronic 'ETCHASKETCH' for fun.

all i'm trying to say is that i would like to see some real storys, some films with a plot or character in the cinema...how hard is it to composite a lightsaber glow on a prop blade? it's only a matter of time, this stuff is easy, just time consuming, with attention to detail.

WITHOUT A STORY, EFFECTS ARE NOTHING!
Posted: Mon, 22nd Apr 2002, 3:28pm

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We understand that story and plot are the centre of any film, but most of our users are not sending us films. The cinema is mainly made up of examples and ideas for scenes or just special effects.

Most users have trouble finding space for 15mins of compressed footage but we welcome any movies like that and look forward to seeing yours.

Its not really possible to say that "without story effects are nothing." An image is an image - and this can still be impressive. "Blade 2" and "The One" are both entertaining films with great visuals, but the story and plot of both are pretty rubbish (don't start Tarn razz ). I could bore you with examples of this through time and art history but I won't bore you.

Yes, effects with no story and plot may make a shallow movie but they don't make a bad test shot, and the cinema is a great place to show these to other people.

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Posted: Mon, 22nd Apr 2002, 3:35pm

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I can't wait to see you film. I can't wait till shoot my next film either.

The cinema section is made up of 2 parts, clips and movies. It is great that it is. I have 3 posts in the cinema section. 2 are clips 1 is a movie.

Sending in clips is great. I have one I am making tonight that is spur of the moment. It is a "test" I actually love these and find them very valuable. By doing the small test I can see what I like/dislike for my next movie.

My other post is a movie. It is 11 minutes long and took months to do. I am going to make another but they do take a long time. That is why clips are great too, they help me think I am doing something while my big projects struggle along.

I love the cinema section. Not everyone is a great director/actor/cinematogrifer etc... But these peaople are trying. If you put anything into the cinema section you at least start to get a handle on how hard it is to make a movie. The more you film/edit/write the more you understand how hard it is. Also, I really tip my hat to the hard/honest people who don't pirate software and make these films on low end PCs with a low end camera. The film makers are also all different ages. Some young kids make very good movies.

Anyway... I love the film makers and respect what they are trying to do. As for movies in the cinema section getting better......... Just wait... As I make more and more films I feel my power growing........ wink
Posted: Mon, 22nd Apr 2002, 3:39pm

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Hey!

I thought my living room window massacre was Epic!

- Neo wink
Posted: Mon, 22nd Apr 2002, 3:50pm

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Hey! you forgott me biggrin

Im making a movie with a story and plot, script, many actors, cool places, funny effects. And we are recording it as i speek.
So you all know, im not just a test effect guy. Were actully making a movie, but the tests are "behind" the movie that we do while we make the real movie... It will also show on tv.
But i dont know if i want to upload that movie, it will get 30 min long i think.

So you all know :o
Posted: Mon, 22nd Apr 2002, 3:57pm

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Hmm, that would have to be 55Mb minimum. A little large for most people to download.
Posted: Mon, 22nd Apr 2002, 6:53pm

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I often sit through test clip after test clip on this site. Without them how would a newbie learn? I can watch something from solithar, for instance, then pop in the forums and say "dude, how the heck did you do that?"

In the reverse, I might have the worst clip on the planet I could post, and say "hey... how could I do this better?" I bet I would get many constructive responses.

Unless they start charging you $10 a ticket to view each clip, I dont see your point as valid.
Posted: Mon, 22nd Apr 2002, 8:47pm

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Hmm... I agree with you, special effects are no match to a story. And there's lot more to a good clip than just effects that may look good. You also have to have a certain ambience to them.

I do make films with stories. But I didn't upload any of them, because they're simply too big...
We have made movies of lengths between 20 and 115 minutes. All with plot, dialogues and so on (and I am currently working on one without even any specialeffect). But I cannot upload them here, because nobody would download them.
So most that short clips of me in the cinemasection, I just make out of fun or as tests (except ROSE. That's a complete shortfilm... But there you see the problems. Obvioulsy that's not what people want to see here, cause I get quiet bad voting for it)

And actually, more and more users try not to do just tests, but short stories. Kingpiin, Sidewinder, Mechaforce, Maxsmoke, v6proz, pornogen and many many more and I am really looking forward to them finishing theyr next ones...
Posted: Mon, 22nd Apr 2002, 9:38pm

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What is the name of youre "non" effect movie? how long and what is it about? funny? or dramatic? confused cool lol smile biggrin :o razz wink

Or mayby... L O V E S T O R Y ! ?
Blaah! cant say the word in a complete sentence. tard
Posted: Mon, 22nd Apr 2002, 9:56pm

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Well, if you're interested, I can tell you :))

The movie is called "Face to Face". it will be produced for television and probalbly cinema. (so with REAL actors) :))

It's a mixture between drama and thriller, actually. Playing in organised crime scene.
The plot is about two brothers. Theyr parents were murdered by killers of a syndicate when they were very young (they had to watch it).
And later, they work as killers too, seeking revenge.
It's mainly about theyr emotional development when they discover, they're becomimg more and more exactly like those they want to hunt down. It's about ethics and the circle of violence.
(difficult to summarize, it's actually pretty complicated story with intrigues, disguise and betreyal) :))
Posted: Mon, 22nd Apr 2002, 10:13pm

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Smells like mean spirit!

Can't wait.......

-Neo
Posted: Mon, 22nd Apr 2002, 10:15pm

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Well, first off, you sure have gotten yourself off to a GREAT FREAKIN start on the ALAMDV forum - that's for sure!

And even though EVERYONE ELSE WHO GOES ON THIS SITE AND WATCHES THE MOVIES KNOW THAT ALL OF THEM ARE NOT LAME have probably already posted this kind of message, BUT NO, all the movies on this site aren't lame!!!! Maybe if you'd watch some of the movies ON the website, you'd quickly find out that all of them aren't generic little test sequences. Yes, there are many tests, but that ONLY counts for about 60% of them. The rest are decent movies. Rose. Cyborg Wars. No control Television. Asendance Titles. Bud Chipowski's world of home defense. The Test (yeah it's a test but it sure looks damn good). ADV2 Trailor. Metal Gear Redux. Muffy and Jebidiah. - - - - - just to name a few!!!!! Maybe after you watch a few of them you'll realize that there ARE GOOD MOVIES on this site!!!!

No respect y'all! NO RESPECT!
Posted: Mon, 22nd Apr 2002, 10:39pm

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well i got a suggestion:
because even the best of us tire of some of these 'test clips' maybe the decription of the file should be more detailed as in...

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(example)
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Title: My Test
Effects used: lightswords, linefire, lightening, fog
Description:basically this is a quick movie i filmed one afternoon with my friends. it features a lot of martial arts action and almamdv special effects. I had a lot of fun filming this. hope you enjoy it too.

----

and the cinema section could be split into a "samples" page with test footage for effects. and a "short film" section for people who don't mind downloading larger files.

it think this would result in a happy medium where no one could complain.
just a thought...
Posted: Mon, 22nd Apr 2002, 10:50pm

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Intresting idea... really...
Posted: Mon, 22nd Apr 2002, 11:04pm

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Tarn wrote:

For those here that want to get into film/tv seriously, the alamdv cinema is just one route down a very long road. It'll be interesting to see who gets to the next stage first...
sad a very long hard road...

at least I have an early start, thanks to alamdv. rolleyes
Posted: Mon, 22nd Apr 2002, 11:29pm

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BubbaMojo, hmm where do I start....

1st off this is a site devoted to making FX for digital films. Granted there are other things here within this community, but this is not a film festival or a Digital Video hosting service.

2nd Calling ALAMDV an electronic "ETCHASKETCH" is pretty damn silly tard Computers are pretty much that. Most people use their computers just for emailing lame arse chain letters and looking at porn. At least here there is a developing effort to push some up and coming filmmakers (as well DV enthusiest) to really make some cool looking stuff.

What I am getting at is this program, like computers, is what you make of it. Yeah there might be some "lame" ficks here, but there are also some folks here using Digital media and technology to do things that were never practical before. MAKING A GOOD FLICK WITH THERE CAMCORDER AND COMPUTER. I have been a part of this evolution almost before the "begining". (Well over a year) The cinema has really changed from, "Hey Mom, I am swinging a lightsaber" to genuine attempts to tell stories and explore creative options not availble to the ameteur market before.

Personally I think you really dont care about any of this and that you are another Dinky wanna be. Attempting to stir up trouble and see who posts.
I REALLY, REALLY HATE TROLLS.... unsure

Lastly if a clip is only 15 seconds and less than a megabyte, chances are its a test clip. If you tire of these don't Download them evil

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Posted: Mon, 22nd Apr 2002, 11:36pm

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ok, lets not murder the guy. He probaly has problems rolleyes
Posted: Tue, 23rd Apr 2002, 3:44pm

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Film-making is an art, it is an art that needs to be learned and developed.

The only way to learn and develop is to practice, make your mistakes on a 30 second test shot instead of a film set with ten people standing around you waiting for you to figure out what needs to be done.

I'm guessing most people who frequent this site are fairly young, therefore just starting out their carrers, they should be encouraged, and given constructive criticism, not just told they are lame.

And the beauty of Alamdv is that it can be used for funny test films, or serious productions.
Posted: Wed, 24th Apr 2002, 12:27am

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Bob Marley didn't learn how to roll joints in one night..........movies will take similar time and patience.

Let's make Malone's job more difficult........how about a Cinema section for "Films" and one for "Tests".......he..he....he..... wink

-Neo
Posted: Wed, 24th Apr 2002, 9:59am

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C'mon, you wont compare a movie with a joint... That's insulting for movies...
Argh. I hate drugs... i love movies... :/
Posted: Thu, 25th Apr 2002, 11:20pm

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Depends on the movie.............some of them "smoke" while others just "fizzle" and fade away............ wink

-Neo
Posted: Fri, 26th Apr 2002, 12:04am

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Drug's aren't bad . . . . the people who deal them are! Because drug dealers shoot and murder! Drugs don't kill people, people kill people, or themselves.

But yeah movies are cool, and I think that the cinema section is great too.
Posted: Fri, 26th Apr 2002, 9:12am

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Drugs kill... And if they're not killing you, they just make you stupid...

Drugs are the reason for Neo's signature beeing true...
Posted: Fri, 26th Apr 2002, 2:17pm

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The lead singer from Alice in Chains was found dead a few days ago. His girlfriend died from an OD a few years earlier. I think what he had to say about drugs really sums them up.

``I wrote about drugs, and I didn't think I was being unsafe or careless by writing about them,'' he told the magazine. ``Here's how my thinking pattern went: When I tried drugs, they were (expletive) great, and they worked for me for years, and now they're turning against me — and now I'm walking through hell, and this sucks.''
Posted: Fri, 26th Apr 2002, 10:10pm

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Game on. I'm just being goofy. I don't want to go through the broiler on a drug argument either.

For the record I agree. I think illict hard/chemical drugs are best kept for pharmaceutical/hospital use. I won't comment on Marijuana because as Solthar and Mech. said, this is about movies not our partying habits. Mine remain my own business. At 29, I'm more than capable of making grown up decisions and mistakes.

Layne Staley's death was an imminent yet totally regretable tragedy. One of the few bands out of that scene that made some decent music. Herion is a fu^kin evil thing. evil People that peddle that garbage should be liquified or get a real lightsaber enema- see Legacy wink . People that are addicted need to be treated with respect and hospitalized.

Bad topic.

No offence intended boyz! Cheers.

-Neo

...........I'm turing into a bit of a shite disturber lately........