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Jobs vs Gates (no debate... honest)

Posted: Fri, 27th Jan 2006, 7:46pm

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Hmm, here's an interesting article:

http://www.wired.com/news/columns/0,70072-0.html?tw

This isn't supposed to turn into a Mac vs PC debate (although I fear it inevitably will) but it's interesting to see what kind of people these two really are... smile
Posted: Fri, 27th Jan 2006, 9:28pm

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DUDE HOW COULD THEY SAY THAT ABOUT JOBS HE IS MY HERO I HATE YOU MINUS 1!!!
Posted: Fri, 27th Jan 2006, 9:54pm

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i think in percentage Steve has given away more twisted
Posted: Fri, 27th Jan 2006, 10:48pm

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I'll bet the author's a windows user...
Posted: Fri, 27th Jan 2006, 10:49pm

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lol - the first three coments on this thread have been debate starters, even when "no debate" is specified in the title and post itself.
Posted: Fri, 27th Jan 2006, 10:50pm

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Three posts in and I can already see it starting...

Interesting article to say the least.
Posted: Fri, 27th Jan 2006, 10:55pm

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Hah- I was kidding, but i think it is possible that he had some bias. Who really doesnt in these kinds of debates?
Posted: Fri, 27th Jan 2006, 11:25pm

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When it comes down to it, would the average joe even know who Steve Jobs was?

I doubt they'd know very much about Gates either, other than he's the rich Microsoft guy. Article reads a little like fan-boy baiting to me...

Steve Jobs is clearly the more charismatic of the two, hence the cultish devotion he and his company have. Gates just can't compete.

oh yeah, Apple rulez, Windoze sucks, etc, etc....
Posted: Fri, 27th Jan 2006, 11:33pm

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I'm not sure anyone has ever purchased an Apple or Microsoft product because they felt, somewhere along the line, a very rich CEO would give some of that money to charity.

They are both very rich and very powerful business people who provide me with a product - beyond that I don't really care.
Posted: Fri, 27th Jan 2006, 11:36pm

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Amen, however Steve Jobs is badass and I respect him.
Posted: Fri, 27th Jan 2006, 11:39pm

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Hmm, there must be some sarcasm in this thread that I can't detect, but most of you seem to be missing the point. It being that despite Jobs being the best appearance-wise, Gates actually ends up being the better actual person that contributes to society.
Posted: Fri, 27th Jan 2006, 11:54pm

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You can't judge a person by how much they contribute to charity. If they're just plain old Scrooge, that's a different story.

Saying Gates is more concerned about society and Jobs isn't just because Gates gives away more to society is a blank statement.


I agreed with the first part of the article...how it's more switched, but when they started mentioning charity contributions, I took the whole article as just fluff and typical flamebait.
Posted: Fri, 27th Jan 2006, 11:56pm

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Pooky wrote:

Hmm, there must be some sarcasm in this thread that I can't detect, but most of you seem to be missing the point. It being that despite Jobs being the best appearance-wise, Gates actually ends up being the better actual person that contributes to society.
Jobs has contributed to society as well, only in a different way. The iPod? That is probably the hugest fad going for this generation, the ipod. I wouldnt be surprised if it went the way of words like "flapper" or even "d'oh" from the simpsons, and appeared in the dictionary.
Posted: Sat, 28th Jan 2006, 1:14am

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Digi - fair enough

Timmy - You don't seem to understand what the word "society" means. Introducing a product that erradicates all others and creates a fad could hardly be considered good for anyone except Apple. By society I meant all the cheesy yet true health happy no war stuff.
Posted: Sat, 28th Jan 2006, 1:27am

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Pooky wrote:

Introducing a product that erradicates all others and creates a fad could hardly be considered good for anyone except Apple.
Well, it's good for the people who like the product. Therefore, it is good for society.

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Posted: Sat, 28th Jan 2006, 1:54am

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TimmyD wrote:



Jobs has contributed to society as well, only in a different way. The iPod? That is probably the hugest fad going for this generation, the ipod. I wouldnt be surprised if it went the way of words like "flapper" or even "d'oh" from the simpsons, and appeared in the dictionary.
I can see it now, "Steve Jobs, winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, for his contribution of the Ipod to the millions of starving children."
Posted: Sat, 28th Jan 2006, 1:56am

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lisab8195 wrote:

TimmyD wrote:



Jobs has contributed to society as well, only in a different way. The iPod? That is probably the hugest fad going for this generation, the ipod. I wouldnt be surprised if it went the way of words like "flapper" or even "d'oh" from the simpsons, and appeared in the dictionary.
I can see it now, "Steve Jobs, winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, for his contribution of the Ipod to the millions of starving children."
I can't see how the ipod could possibly NOT achieve world peace.
Posted: Sat, 28th Jan 2006, 1:57am

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lisab8195 wrote:

I can see it now, "Steve Jobs, winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, for his contribution of the Ipod to the millions of starving children."
I don't think you "saw" my post and understood the fact that the amount one contributes to charities does not affect whether he is good or not.
Posted: Sat, 28th Jan 2006, 1:58am

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TimmyD wrote:

I can't see how the ipod could possibly NOT achieve world peace.
...right.

And I suppose the selling of USB flash drives will help cure cancer.

If a significant portion of money that came from selling iPods went to organizations that dealt with world peace, then that's a different story.

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Posted: Sat, 28th Jan 2006, 2:02am

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mVPstar wrote:

lisab8195 wrote:

I can see it now, "Steve Jobs, winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, for his contribution of the Ipod to the millions of starving children."
I don't think you "saw" my post and understood the fact that the amount one contributes to charities does not affect whether he is good or not.
Yeah...that is why I didn't quote your post. You were speaking rationally, while TimmyD was talking in vapid nonsense about IPods being at the same level of contribution as millions in charity is.
Posted: Sat, 28th Jan 2006, 2:04am

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lisab8195 wrote:

mVPstar wrote:

lisab8195 wrote:

I can see it now, "Steve Jobs, winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, for his contribution of the Ipod to the millions of starving children."
I don't think you "saw" my post and understood the fact that the amount one contributes to charities does not affect whether he is good or not.
Yeah...that is why I didn't quote your post. You were speaking rationally, while TimmyD was talking in vapid nonsense about IPods being at the same level of contribution as millions in charity is.
I believe it was more along the lines of sarcasim. I was just kidding, if the ipod achieves world peace, i'll be running FXhome, and malone will be making me cake by the ton.
Posted: Sat, 28th Jan 2006, 2:05am

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TimmyD wrote:

i'll be running FXhome, and malone will be making me cake by the ton.
Malone doesn't make cake....he eats it.
Posted: Sat, 28th Jan 2006, 2:07am

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Sarcasm online is impossible to decipher. I am done here
Posted: Sat, 28th Jan 2006, 2:09am

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lisab8195 wrote:

Sarcasm online is impossible to decipher. I am done here
Sarcasm is usually meant for people like you to not decipher.


</sarcasm>
Posted: Sat, 28th Jan 2006, 3:54am

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lisab8195 wrote:

Sarcasm online is impossible to decipher. I am done here
That is a bit of an exaggeration, when TimmyD said something along these lines: How can the iPod NOT solve world peace? I immediately took it as sarcasm, thus making it possible. Also, the </sarcasm> "tag" also makes it identifiable.

lol@debate

Although people praise Steve Jobs too much in comparison to Gates, I still like Jobs better. If you are rich, donating doesn't dent him at all, nor does it affect him, it could indeed just be a publicity thing. I am not saying he is doing it this wat, I just think it doesn't make him a better person. I like the way he presents himself, I like how he gives keynotes, I like his products. Bill Gates just comes off as a boring person to me.
Posted: Sat, 28th Jan 2006, 4:08am

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Well TBH, if I were rich I'd give a lot of money away. Personally I have more respect for someone that doesn't keep all his money for himself than someone that buys 5 cars with it instead.

And about the "donating doesn't dent him at all"... well, should it?
Posted: Sat, 28th Jan 2006, 4:11am

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TimmyD wrote:

i think it is possible that he had some bias.
Rather, [Steve Jobs] uses social issues to support his own selfish business goals.
On the evidence, [Jobs is] nothing more than a greedy capitalist who's amassed an obscene fortune. It's shameful. In almost every way, Gates is much more deserving of Jobs' rock star exaltation.
If thats not biased, I'll throw my iBook off the Sears Tower.
Posted: Sat, 28th Jan 2006, 4:20am

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Ooh, go ahead *takes out a big net*
Posted: Sat, 28th Jan 2006, 4:55am

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Yeah, Go for it! *stands beside pooky with a shotgun for a lil' Mac-skeetshooting*


Both steve jobs AND Bill gates Have a whole hell of alot of money. They worked for it, and I say, Let em' do whatever they want with it. So What if they never gave a cent to charity. Its not written in a contract that they have to. They gained they're fortune through ambition/hard work/determination, Not shooting puppies.
Posted: Sat, 28th Jan 2006, 6:36am

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yea, I don't see why they have to. Of course they have more money then what they could ever wish to spend, or could they?
Posted: Sat, 28th Jan 2006, 6:49am

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TimmyD wrote:

Pooky wrote:

Hmm, there must be some sarcasm in this thread that I can't detect, but most of you seem to be missing the point. It being that despite Jobs being the best appearance-wise, Gates actually ends up being the better actual person that contributes to society.
Jobs has contributed to society as well, only in a different way. The iPod?
And Gates... - The PC? The iPod of Personal Computers, if you're saying society = how many people buy a certain product.
Posted: Sat, 28th Jan 2006, 3:19pm

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Evman wrote:

TimmyD wrote:

Pooky wrote:

Hmm, there must be some sarcasm in this thread that I can't detect, but most of you seem to be missing the point. It being that despite Jobs being the best appearance-wise, Gates actually ends up being the better actual person that contributes to society.
Jobs has contributed to society as well, only in a different way. The iPod?
And Gates... - The PC? The iPod of Personal Computers, if you're saying society = how many people buy a certain product.
And Jobs...- The Mac?
Posted: Sat, 28th Jan 2006, 4:17pm

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TimmyD wrote:

And Jobs...- The Mac?
...which is a personal computer. razz
Posted: Sat, 28th Jan 2006, 4:29pm

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And Jobs...- The Mac?
Which can't hold a candle to the amount of sales Windows PCs have, just like no other mp3 company can hold a candle to the amount of iPods sold. However, I'm sure far more people have PCs than have iPods or even Macs, so that was my little comparison. The iPod means nothing compared to the PC (in terms of how many people buy it), and the PC certainately beats out the Mac in home computer sales.
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I couldn't care less who gives away what money to what charity.

Giving money to charity doesn't make you a better person. Actually, I don't even believe it makes the world a better place, but that's just me.


Jobs doesn't give his money to charity? OMG what a dick. Bill Gated does? WHOA, he must be a nice person then!


Heh, sometimes I really wonder about people.
Posted: Sat, 28th Jan 2006, 5:13pm

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The world should really give more to pookies.
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So you're saying that Windows is better because the creator, Bill Gates, gives away his money to charity? Hmmm…

I buy something if I like it. Frankly, for me that is the Mac. I don't care if you think that is dumb, stupid, selfish, or whatever, but I prefer a Mac over a PC. It doesn't matter to me where it comes from or who made it, I want that product that I like. If anyone doesn't like that, that's ok.

Now, about that charity thing. I believe giving away money to charity is a stupid, easy way to make yourself feel good about yourself, because all you're doing is giving away something that you have plenty of. If anyone really, really cared about it, he'd go down there himself to do some hard work which is something that is needed more than just money, and not give his/her money away to people who could defraud, and take the money for themselves. I myself never give away to charity. And I don't go to help, because I can't really care about someone at the other end of the world who has had no food for a month. I know it sounds harsh, but that's how many, many people think.
Posted: Sat, 28th Jan 2006, 5:19pm

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Obi Wan Kenobi wrote:

So you're saying that Windows is better because the creator, Bill Gates, gives away his money to charity? Hmmm…
That's funny, because I don't see a single post that says that..
Posted: Sat, 28th Jan 2006, 5:22pm

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Obi Wan Kenobi wrote:

I can't really care about someone at the other end of the world who has had no food for a month. I know it sounds harsh, but that's how many, many people think.
Where is the logic in that?
Posted: Sat, 28th Jan 2006, 5:23pm

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Pooky wrote:

Obi Wan Kenobi wrote:

I can't really care about someone at the other end of the world who has had no food for a month. I know it sounds harsh, but that's how many, many people think.
Where is the logic in that?
Where is the rationality? tard


hi5
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Hahaha, yeah I'm not nice… And giving away to charity wouldn't change that.
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mVPstar wrote:

Obi Wan Kenobi wrote:

So you're saying that Windows is better because the creator, Bill Gates, gives away his money to charity? Hmmm…
That's funny, because I don't see a single post that says that..
Maybe it's not explicitely said, but it's implied, such as my post does.
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Obi Wan Kenobi wrote:

mVPstar wrote:

Obi Wan Kenobi wrote:

So you're saying that Windows is better because the creator, Bill Gates, gives away his money to charity? Hmmm…
That's funny, because I don't see a single post that says that..
Maybe it's not explicitely said, but it's implied, such as my post does.
Implied or imagined?


Toast or muffin?

low5
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Well, implying takes a little bit of imagination. If it's so important, I'll take it back, but what's in the mind, doesn't change.
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Jobbs is a selfish idiot.

iPod 3rd Generation : Apple sued for deliberately engineering poor batteries that can't be replaced.

iPod 4th Generation : Apple release this iPod knowing full well there were horrible sound distortion issues. Most classical music sounded awful.

iPod 5th Generation (+Nano) : Apple deliberately engineer an iPod with an awful screen. I have written to both the Trading Standards and Apple to express my rage. £300 on an iPod, and it now has a huge scratch on it, despite using a skin since day one.
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Obi Wan Kenobi wrote:

Now, about that charity thing. I believe giving away money to charity is a stupid, easy way to make yourself feel good about yourself, because all you're doing is giving away something that you have plenty of. If anyone really, really cared about it, he'd go down there himself to do some hard work which is something that is needed more than just money, and not give his/her money away to people who could defraud, and take the money for themselves. I myself never give away to charity. And I don't go to help, because I can't really care about someone at the other end of the world who has had no food for a month. I know it sounds harsh, but that's how many, many people think.
Yes many selfish people. But see how many who in the situation where they have nothing wonder why no one bothers to help them when it would mean everything for the person being helped and hardly any effort for the helper.

And yes if people really cared then they would go and help in person but that doesn't mean that giving money doesn't make a difference.
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Kid wrote:

Obi Wan Kenobi wrote:

Now, about that charity thing. I believe giving away money to charity is a stupid, easy way to make yourself feel good about yourself, because all you're doing is giving away something that you have plenty of. If anyone really, really cared about it, he'd go down there himself to do some hard work which is something that is needed more than just money, and not give his/her money away to people who could defraud, and take the money for themselves. I myself never give away to charity. And I don't go to help, because I can't really care about someone at the other end of the world who has had no food for a month. I know it sounds harsh, but that's how many, many people think.
Yes many selfish people. But see how many who in the situation where they have nothing wonder why no one bothers to help them when it would mean everything for the person being helped and hardly any effort for the helper.

And yes if people really cared then they would go and help in person but that doesn't mean that giving money doesn't make a difference.
That can be debated upon…

But judging people by if they give to charity or not is wrong.
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Obi Wan Kenobi wrote:

Kid wrote:

Obi Wan Kenobi wrote:

Now, about that charity thing. I believe giving away money to charity is a stupid, easy way to make yourself feel good about yourself, because all you're doing is giving away something that you have plenty of. If anyone really, really cared about it, he'd go down there himself to do some hard work which is something that is needed more than just money, and not give his/her money away to people who could defraud, and take the money for themselves. I myself never give away to charity. And I don't go to help, because I can't really care about someone at the other end of the world who has had no food for a month. I know it sounds harsh, but that's how many, many people think.
Yes many selfish people. But see how many who in the situation where they have nothing wonder why no one bothers to help them when it would mean everything for the person being helped and hardly any effort for the helper.

And yes if people really cared then they would go and help in person but that doesn't mean that giving money doesn't make a difference.
That can be debated upon…
Actually... no, it can't. neutral What Kid stated was fact.
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Know who Steven A. Ballmer is? Click here. This video explains a lot about Microsoft. (BTW, he's the Chief Executive Officer of Microsoft Corporation.)
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Interesting article, but who cares? I appreciate both Gates and Jobs for what they have already gifted me.

Personal Computing.

And I expect nothing else.
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Seriously.

I'm no Apple fan, but damn if Jobs hasn't had some damn good words about some stuff that the PC industry is just lax on. One thing I'll grant -- when you buy a Mac you don't get nine shortcuts on your desktop for six different dial-up internet services. He's a good guy with some damn good products and philosophies that, tied to both the Mac and PC worlds would result in some very nice computers.

That said...

I get pretty huffy when people up and call Bill Gates a smarmy, money-laundering capitalist. If that held any degree of truth, I wouldn't have been able to spend two minutes to find those links. Bill Gates is also a good guy with some damn good products that I'm more than happy to use.

-Pikl
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A Pickle wrote:

when you buy a Mac you don't get nine shortcuts on your desktop for six different dial-up internet services. He's a good guy with some damn good products and philosophies that, tied to both the Mac and PC worlds would result in some very nice computers.
Thats not cos he wants to help you, its cos he wants you to pay for the apple one! razz

Plus it is apple's 'philosophy' which puts a lot of people off of them. Thats why companies like Dell and Apple will never dominate the PC world because what they do only appeals to a limited group of the market. PCs have become widespread because of their high adaptibility and companies like Dell and Apple making computers for noobs trade off some of that flexibility for ease of use. There will always be a requirement for the full flexibilty though.