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Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 4:28pm

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Hi!
I was thinking about switching to Mac, in the near future but i'm not sure how good it is...

I've read about it but it's better to hear from someone who own a Mac. So i just have some questions:

Does it take a long time to get used to the inteface?

Is it better for filmmaking?

Is it harder to find software for Mac?

Whats the biggest difference from Windows (xp)?

Please do not reply if you have'nt used a mac.

Shin925

Wee it's my birthday

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Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 4:32pm

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from my experience, mac is overall much better. I have no trouble finding software. Mac (at least mine) is general much faster that windows per Gigahertz, and I find it less buggy. On my old computer, and the computers at school, there was always some function or program that never worked, and no one could figure out why. no such case on my mac.

I was using my mac more comfortable than my windows the day I got it.

SWITCH

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EDIT: I made my comments more clear.

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Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 5:14pm

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Does it take a long time to get used to the inteface?

No, OSX is, for the most part, very logical and easy to get around.

Is it better for filmmaking?

This is very subjective, but the iLife sweet is great for starting out, Final Cut Pro is a class leader if you're ready for it, and I've never had anything resembling a major problem in 6 years of Mac video work.

Is it harder to find software for Mac?

I'm not sure what you mean? Most things can be bought direct from the Apple store if you can't find them in shops locally.

Whats the biggest difference from Windows (xp)?

I can't really quantify that one. The general user experience is just different. I prefer it, but I won't say it's better or worse, as we all know what will happen.
Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 5:19pm

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SGB : You must be a Mac enthusiast but it not a very accurate post and it might give many people the wrong idea. Just saying things like "mac is infinitly better" and "Mac is faster, and less buggy" without any validation tends to annoy non-Mac people rather than make them think about changing. Don't mean to get at you but you don't really answer the questions.

shin925 : I've been using/selling/programming Macs for nearly 20 years and PCs for about 10. The Mac is NOT better than the PC although it is more suited to some kinds of uses. I'll try and answer your questions from both sides (if possible).

Q : Does it take a long time to get used to the interface?

A : If you can use Windows you can use a Mac, getting used to it is something different. It might take a while to work out why some things work differently and you WILL miss the right mouse button (which the Mac does support so I would get a Microsoft USB mouse of some kind straight away). They are pretty similar really, windows, files, folders, but there are areas where the Mac is better (searching files) and areas where the PC is better (copying/pasting/moving files). In this area it comes down to taste - there isn't much in it.

Q : Is it better for filmmaking?

A : Not better, but it can be faster and more elegant. If you can go the full Apple route (and can afford it) with a dual G5 and Final Cut Pro then (at that price level) it will be a nicer editing system than any PC.

If you do not have the funds to stretch to this then there are great programs on the PC which will provide a decent alternative at a lower cost. Most people say it shouldn't matter what system you have, editing is editing. This is 95% true, but having a fast, attractive and intuitive system it can help you be more creative - good tools never hurt anyone.

That covers editing, the Mac is also great for DVD making and special effects but the PC is also great at these.

A : Is it harder to find software for Mac?

Q : Its harder to find a good selection in your local computer store but in general (if you buy online) its just as easy. What is worth remembering is that some software (mainly 3D) is not on the Mac. XSI and 3DS Max are PC only but most other decent 3D/video/special effects applications are on both platforms. Nearl all Apple's own software is Mac only, and if you can afford it, its a great reason to be running a Mac - Shake, Final Cut Pro, DVD Studio are all amazing.

In conclusion, unless you dislike the PC then I wouldn't rush in to swapping. There is great software on both platforms which allows you to make films. Mac are not faster than PCs (they are using the very same CPUs from now on so there should be almost no difference) and they are both stable and reliable if looked after. Its probably easier to look after a Mac due to less people trying to create exploits for them, but its also probably harder to find someone to fix it if it does go wrong at a software level.

If I was a fairly general computer user (games, internet, video editing, website design) I would have a PC. If I had a bit more money and was reallly in to my video work then I would try and have both systems. If I was over 50% video work or working professionally in video then I would have a Mac as my main computer.

I love my Mac and like Mac OS X more than Windows (although only a small amount) - I wouldn't want to live without it. I also love my PC and couldn't live without it!

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Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 5:25pm

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Alex Reeve wrote:


Is it harder to find software for Mac?

I'm not sure what you mean? Most things can be bought direct from the Apple store if you can't find them in shops locally.
It's more the freeware, like camstudio or Celtx (i know this is for Mac too, just a freeware example) but i guess a search on google would help a lot.

In conclusion, unless you dislike the PC then I wouldn't rush in to swapping.
I don't really dislike the PC... I dislike Microsoft...confused

Shin925

PS. Even if i got a Mac i would still keep my PC (A lot of the games/software i own are Pc only)

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Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 5:32pm

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I have been an editor for 17 years and I have worked on both platforms.

In my experience, the problems with PC based platforms where more frequent and usually more damaging than on Mac but they do happen on the Mac too. No computer is perfect.

I personally prefer Final Cut to edit - I tried many systems but Final Cut is very comprehensive hence my sticking to Mac whenever I can for editing. I worked also a lot with AVID but I do not find it as elegant. Last show I worked on, a 20 epsiode TV show, we cut on an AVID on Mac. Editors at the facility prefered the Mac AVID version even though its old because they felt it was more stable than the new PC based one. At the facility I worked at, the PC based one was crashing heavily, and at times daily, so lots of swearing came from that room.

As for finding softwares, you are better off shopping online. Local retailers usually only have the big guns. If you can afford a full edit suite, go Mac. It's the best rapport quality/price in my opinion. If you can't, a decently built PC will still give you very decent results.

I have little faith in the new Intel Macs... Makes no sense to me to go from 64 bits PowerPCs to 32 bits Intel... And nobody has managed to convice me it'll hold the road better than PCs so far, especially in terms of viruses... Mac has many security updates too, just like Windows... They just are less damaging because less people create viruses for Mac. In the Intel world, nothing is for sure anymore...
Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 5:38pm

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PC or Mac...

This is what I have to say, I myself like Macs better for Graphics (As in producing Art Work on Photoshop, etc) and Video. Mac OS system is more inclined to working on such things. There are 3D programs you can get for Macs including Lightwave and Maya I believe, however, we're not evening getting into that.

Software isn't diffcult to find for Macs unless you get into the video game department. Not as many video games that come out for PC, X-Box, PS2 are out for Mac. Otherwise there isn't much of a problem.

I would recommend a Mac, but thats because I myself perfer using Macs for video editing.

My suggestion to you is go to an Apple Store and have them tell you about Macs and then go to Comp USA or something like that and ask them about PCs. Get as much information on both and the decide.

It would be even better if you can find a store that sells both.

Buying a NEW Pc or Mac is a big decision, do some research. Asking here is a good start.
Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 6:05pm

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Thank you for your response.

I found a great website for comparing WinXP to MacOSX.

http://www.xvsxp.com/

Shin925
Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 6:18pm

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shin925 wrote:

It's more the freeware, like camstudio or Celtx (i know this is for Mac too, just a freeware example) but i guess a search on google would help a lot.
Version Tracker is a pretty good place to start.

Do you have access to any Macs that you could have a play with?
Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 6:49pm

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The only software I haven't been able to find on Mac was: Morph (just found one, so scratch that), screen capture video (found that), and some games. If you want to game, don't get a Mac unless you can deal with the occasional awesome game like KOTOR.

Also, freeware substitutes are always available on Mac platforms, and I actually find them better than the similar PC "counterpart." Example: Windows users can easily convert all WMVs, I had been missing this. However, on both platforms, I HATE Windows media player. Now on Mac, you can play a WMV file in Quicktime for free. I have yet to see anything like this for Windows. (This is more of a personal thing, because I hate WMP...) Camstudio: I have been wanting this for a while, but I don't think it is for Mac. I just found Snapz Pro X and it is so easy to set up, just set the box (you can make it a certain aspect ratio), set the frame rate etc. These are just examples. I have now found there isn't one thing you can do on a PC for free that you can't on a Mac.

Another personal preference: Mac is just easier to use, I like the interface etc. etc. But it's all about preference.

The only downside to Macs in my eyes: Price and shortage of good games.
Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 6:50pm

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Do you have access to any Macs that you could have a play with?
No. i dont... i have never even seen a mac...confused Not many uses them where i live neutral

Serpent: I'm not really a gamer but i would be keeping my PC so it would'nt be a problem.

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Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 6:53pm

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Go to CompUSA or Best Buy. Best Buy (where I live) now has the Mac Mini to try.
Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 7:00pm

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Well i live in Europe and there's no chance i'll get to USA... But i'll search for the nearest place they sell Mac and see if i can try one out...
Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 7:07pm

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I've used mac at school.

I think it's crap. I don't like it at all. The mouse sucks. I don't even like the keyboard. I don't like the whole design of it. The interface in mac is so confusing and unbareable. It didn't seem right. I am PC guy. PC is the best for me. I edit, play games, do CGI and everything else on PC. PC can do everything.

For me, PC is far more superior than mac in everyway. Mac is just not for me.


If you really are intersted in mac, try it out. You might like it. Everyone likes something different.
Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 7:11pm

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Well it must be different to own one than to just use one... I don't like the Pc's on my school smile

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Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 7:14pm

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Macs are awesome!

You should go to an apple store and feel them, try them and get to know them...

I hope to be getting a mac this year, maybe a MacBook, or a mac mini when they go intel...
I need to think about it.
Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 7:18pm

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Where in Europe are you shin925?
Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 7:31pm

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Denmark confused

Found a great online store (From scandinavia). They sell most new kinds of Macs and Apple Products (Including FCP).

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Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 7:53pm

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shin925 wrote:

Scandinavia confused Can't really say more
You can say if it's Norway, Sweden, Denmark or Finland wink
Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 8:06pm

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Denmark... confused

But were not really popular these days...

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Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 8:09pm

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I wouldn't worry about it. I doubt you have any enemies here.
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heh you're problably right...

wink

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Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 8:10pm

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shin925 wrote:


But were not really popular these days...
Heh, are you kidding? I love Denmark! Legoland, good meat...

Oh, and some norwegian comedians made fun of your language. (As danish babies are the ones that use longest time to learn to talk, and the fact that danish is hard to understand...) They had a fun sketch where they were danish people who didn't understand Danish...

If you ever find a dvd called "Uti Vår Hage", you should buy it. It's brilliant.

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Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 8:11pm

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Even if anyone here did have problems with what that newspaper printed they wouldn't take it out on you so don't worry. Everyone is welcome at FXhome.com
Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 8:14pm

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Heh, are you kidding? I love Denmark Legoland, good meat...
Well that was'nt really what i meant...

Heh we make fun of Norwegians too...smile

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Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 8:15pm

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schwar wrote:

Everyone is welcome at FXhome.com
But Malone doesn't like norwegians... Thought I'd put that in there razz

*Back On Topic:

Seriously, take a minute and look at this...



*Erection

Yeah, that's a kickass machine, nice looking, powerfull, great software, super OS..

You should defenetly consider moving to the mac world.
Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 8:31pm

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Thats the... iMac right? Don't really like the monitor/case but it's pretty cheap...
Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 8:38pm

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shin925 wrote:

Thats the... iMac right? Don't really like the monitor/case but it's pretty cheap...
How can you not like the monitor/case?
It's brilliant! It saves a lot of space, and it's easy to bring with you.
Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 8:54pm

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It might be brilliant but I just dont like the design... But if it's a good computer i can live with it...smile
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shin925 wrote:

It might be brilliant but I just dont like the design... But if it's a good computer i can live with it...smile
It's damn good, it's not too expensice (as you also get a apple monitor wink )

And the Design is great, you just need to see it in real life.... And smell it.
Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 9:01pm

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Yeah i'll see if i can find a reseller somewhere in Denmark... Whats best, 17" screen or 20"? And with or without intel?
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The 20" is better then the 17" cause the prossecor is faster...

And the Intel is much better then the G5... Much more speed for the money. (it's getting faster with updates and stuff, it's just released, they need time to figure everything out I belive)
Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 9:09pm

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Okay, that will problably be the one i'll get when i'm getting a new computer (hopefully this year...) but i have some time to think about it... But my next computer will be a Mac... No doubt...biggrin
Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 9:11pm

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Good for you!

I have serious thoughts of buying a mac this year too...
I've got enough money, but I'm not sure if I wanna use it razz
Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 9:15pm

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I just have a question to the FXHome team.

Do you have to buy your products for both Mac and Win? I could'nt really find out...

Shin925
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Yes. If you want to have your program on both computers, mac and windows, you need to buy two versions.

SGB
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Okay just wanted to make sure wink
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Hmm.... Dell.
Posted: Mon, 6th Feb 2006, 11:19pm

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Just wondering...why are you getting a Mac again?