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Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 8:46pm

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Hi everybody, after I downloaded an effect for Alam dv, I tried to use image stream copy with effectslab dv but I don't know what should I do, select the folder or extract the folder and select it? How can I use it?
Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 9:00pm

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Maybe I did it, but, can someone say me how can i delete the black background in the effect? because I downloaded Ghostbuster stream, "the proton ray" and in this ray I see a black background.
Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 9:04pm

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You need to change the composite mode. on the bottom left corner of the screen, in the timeline, click on the track that has the ghostbuster effect. then, on the right in the toolbox, change the composite. I think you want to change it to add, but in case im wrong try a few different ones.

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Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 9:05pm

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Now I try.
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OK, I just tried the "import image stream" for the first time. (I've just used Chromy before wink ) It works very well! biggrin You just right-click like this:

And select the FOLDER in which the pictures are.
And if it doesn't work out, http://fxhome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=204816#204816

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Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 9:07pm

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Damn, I used six minutes uploading those pics..? wink Anyway, SGB's right, the "add" mode takes away the dark areas...!

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Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 9:12pm

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It doesn't let me do that, in composite I see normal, but can you explain me how can I put it in effectslab dv step by step?
Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 9:17pm

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Where is that "add mode"???
Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 9:23pm

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That's wierd, I only get two compositing options: "add" and "screen"
You click on the fx on the timeline, and there it should be a compositing option. I can maybe put together a tutorial soon, if you want me to...? biggrin Othervise, try render the image stream into a video file, then try to composite it.

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Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 9:25pm

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FXhomer1369 wrote:

Where is that "add mode"???

SGB wrote:

You need to change the composite mode. on the bottom left corner of the screen, in the timeline, click on the track that has the ghostbuster effect. then, on the right in the toolbox, change the composite..
If this and what oeyvind said are not enough, i suggest reading the manual through.

hope we helped,

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Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 9:28pm

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Oeyvind wrote:

That's wierd, I only get two compositing options: "add" and "screen"
You click on the fx on the timeline, and there it should be a compositing option. I can maybe put together a tutorial soon, if you want me to...? biggrin Othervise, try render the image stream into a video file, then try to composite it.

Oeyvind
Please, If you can do it, but you click in the timeline, on the left on vc1 name, and at the top on the right appear attributes, and there maybe I can change composite, but I can't It doesn't let me do that.
Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 9:31pm

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do you have the newest version of the software? download the newest version here.

In the new version you can change it to add.

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Posted: Sun, 5th Feb 2006, 9:32pm

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What?! Man, then something's wrong about the software...! Or, do you get alot of seperate pictures, or a plain "video-file"...? I think pictures..... Dude, you defenitly got a bugg on the app. Sure you have the latest version installed?

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Posted: Mon, 6th Feb 2006, 4:14am

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Oeyvind wrote:

Dude, you defenitly got a bugg on the app.
Although there is always the possibility of a bug, I do not believe this is the reason behind the black remaining, and I don't believe there is anything "wrong" with FXhomer1369's version of the program either. There may be a chance that FXhomer1369 does not have a current version of the program, but I do not think this is the cause, although I would suggest updating if this is this case.

Not many are aware of this fact, but it would seem that ".TIF" file formats are not "composited" in EffectsLab DV the same as other file formats, such as ".JPEG". Although .JPEG formats allow for the composite mode to be changed in EffectsLab DV, .TIF files appear not to. Take the "Force lightning" plug-in for example. The files of that plug-in are .TIF, which would explain the complications FXhomer1369 is having, as this is the same format that the ghost buster plug-in is.

I know that VisionLab HD works with .TIF files just fine, and CompositeLab DV/Pro should work with .TIF just as well, but I do not believe any version of EffectsLab DV, and quite possibly Pro, have ever composed .TIF files in the same fashion as .JPEG.

For this case, an alternative which takes a bit more work, would be to render the picture files as a movie, and use this new movie file as stock footage. If you do not wish to download Hendo's program suggested by Oeyvind, you can always use the method I have used for quite some time.

You simply place the image stream onto your canvas where you feel it would work best, and then use the "toggle" button to turn off the back ground footage incase any of it is showing, then render as a movie, and import it into your media browser. I believe any file, whether it be "QuickTime .MOV", or "uncompressed .avi", is now acceptable as stock footage, however I suggest saving stock footage as a .MOV, but that is just my preference.

Once rendered, select import media, locate your newly rendered stock footage, and import it. Now that it is imported, you can select "Animation", and alter its location and dimensions to suite your needs, just as you would with an image stream. If you need any assistance while doing so, please feel free to ask, I am sure I can be more specific lol.

Have fun.
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Posted: Mon, 6th Feb 2006, 5:43am

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The reason that some media objects have "Add" or "Screen" composite options, and other media objects only have the "Normal" composite option is due to the alpha channel.

If the media object has an alpha channel then EffectsLab will only allow you to composite it using "Normal". In this case, EffectsLab will use the transparency in the object. If a black pixel exists in the object, then it will come out as black in EffectsLab. Pixels that have some level of transparency will get displayed in EffectsLab with that appropriate transparency.

If the media object does not have an alpha channel then EffectsLab will let you choose between "Add" and "Screen" options. These composite modes are designed for luminosity effects such as light and explosions. As a result, the black pixels in the media object reveal what is underneath because when you add the pixel values together (black = 0) then you only get the original.

JPG files do not support an alpha channel, so image streams of JPG files will always give you the "Add" and "Screen" options. BMP is another example of a non-alpha image. As an aside, since AVI videos are just a collection of BMPs (although usually compressed), that's why AVI files do not contain alpha channels.

TIF files can support alpha (but don't have to). I'm guessing that the majority of AlamDV2 plugins that use TIF files actually do have an alpha channel. So that's why most (if not all) AlamDV2 image streams of TIF files will get composited using "Normal". PNG, TGA and GIF are other examples of image formats that support alpha.

Note that CompositeLab and VisionLab will let you composite the media object using the full range of options, because they are full-blown compositing apps. EffectsLab is designed for effects so it only has very basic compositing support for visual effects stock media.
Posted: Mon, 6th Feb 2006, 12:15pm

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SGB wrote:

do you have the newest version of the software? download the newest version here.

In the new version you can change it to add.

SGB
I downloaded the newest verison. Just yesterday.
Posted: Mon, 6th Feb 2006, 12:27pm

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that is my version of the software:
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/3195/immagine4yd.jpg
Posted: Mon, 6th Feb 2006, 12:34pm

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I push Image stream copy: http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/120/immagine26hj.jpg

I select the folder:
http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/9506/immagine39hi.jpg

and It opens an image:
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/9043/immagine47qb.jpg

And now What's the next step???, How can I delete the black background???:
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/572/immagine51lf.jpg
Posted: Mon, 6th Feb 2006, 12:37pm

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and if I push Vc1 name on timeline on the top at right I see composite:

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/5117/immagine65ad.jpg

What's the netx step???.
Posted: Mon, 6th Feb 2006, 12:38pm

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Please don't reply to yourself, if you need to add more info to your last post then just edit it.

Also check out Wizards and Hendos posts as they have already given you a detailed answer to your question. I would suggest converting the images to jpgs.

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Posted: Mon, 6th Feb 2006, 12:40pm

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malone wrote:

Please don't reply to yourself, if you need to add more info to your last post then just edit it.

Also check out Wizards and Hendos posts as they have already given you a detailed answer to your question.
Sorry, Now I check.
Posted: Mon, 6th Feb 2006, 12:46pm

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FXhomer1369 wrote:

And now What's the next step???, How can I delete the black background???
Well, because of reasons just mentioned by myself, and more so, Hendo, you can not simply composite the black out as other image streams may work. In this case, you would have to convert the images into a video, and use it as stock footage, which should composite out the black just fine.

Wizard wrote:

You simply place the image stream onto your canvas where you feel it would work best, and then use the "toggle" button to turn off the back ground footage incase any of it is showing, then render as a movie, and import it into your media browser.
You could then select "Animation" from the left in your time line, and manipulate the quad to suite your needs. If you run into any complications while attempting this, or do not fully understand what I mean, I would be happy to try to answer any specific questions you may have about the process.

Hendo: Thanks for bringing the alpha channel into the light. For some reason that completely slipped my mind as a variable which would explain why the ".tif" files wouldn't work. Thanks for adding that, I had a feeling I was missing something there; I just couldn't put my finger on it at the time.

Good job.
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Posted: Mon, 6th Feb 2006, 1:33pm

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Wizard wrote:

FXhomer1369 wrote:

And now What's the next step???, How can I delete the black background???
Well, because of reasons just mentioned by myself, and more so, Hendo, you can not simply composite the black out as other image streams may work. In this case, you would have to convert the images into a video, and use it as stock footage, which should composite out the black just fine.

Wizard wrote:

You simply place the image stream onto your canvas where you feel it would work best, and then use the "toggle" button to turn off the back ground footage incase any of it is showing, then render as a movie, and import it into your media browser.
You could then select "Animation" from the left in your time line, and manipulate the quad to suite your needs. If you run into any complications while attempting this, or do not fully understand what I mean, I would be happy to try to answer any specific questions you may have about the process.

Hendo: Thanks for bringing the alpha channel into the light. For some reason that completely slipped my mind as a variable which would explain why the ".tif" files wouldn't work. Thanks for adding that, I had a feeling I was missing something there; I just couldn't put my finger on it at the time.

Good job.
Wizard.
Well, I converted images from .tif to .jpg, and It works, finally there's no more black background. But when I put images into the movie, what should I do after?, put every image for every keyframe?, to have a sequency of images not in the same layer???
Posted: Mon, 6th Feb 2006, 1:42pm

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I would convert the plugin using Hendo's mov converter and go from there :-

http://fxhome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=21207
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FXhomer1369 wrote:

Well, I converted images from .tif to .jpg, and It works, finally there's no more black background. But when I put images into the movie, what should I do after?
Well, I am not sure you should do anything after that point. If you have converted all of the images into .jpg's, and there is no black around the images when imported as an image stream, then you need not go further.

The method I suggested of creating a movie file was only to be used if you could not get the black to be composed out when you imported the image stream. Now that it works, you can pull the image to your canvas, and animate it how you would like it to be.

I want to make sure that I understand exactly what you have done, just so I know I am not leading you astray. You have converted each .tif image into .jpg (which is some what un-necessary, but will do the trick). Now there is a folder with multiple images that make an animation (or "movie") when played back to back (put together), and you have imported the entire folder of images into the media browser using "Import image stream".

FXhomer1369 wrote:

put every image for every keyframe?
If you have done everything that I listed above, correctly up to this point, then the new object in your media browser (the images) should now play like a movie would. Place it on your canvas, and it will take up a certain amount of room on your timeline, until it ends, just as a movie file would. Multiple placements is not required. It may look like one image in your media browser, but it should play like a movie file, if done correctly.

Good luck.
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Posted: Mon, 6th Feb 2006, 5:20pm

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Wizard wrote:

FXhomer1369 wrote:

Well, I converted images from .tif to .jpg, and It works, finally there's no more black background. But when I put images into the movie, what should I do after?
Well, I am not sure you should do anything after that point. If you have converted all of the images into .jpg's, and there is no black around the images when imported as an image stream, then you need not go further.

The method I suggested of creating a movie file was only to be used if you could not get the black to be composed out when you imported the image stream. Now that it works, you can pull the image to your canvas, and animate it how you would like it to be.

I want to make sure that I understand exactly what you have done, just so I know I am not leading you astray. You have converted each .tif image into .jpg (which is some what un-necessary, but will do the trick). Now there is a folder with multiple images that make an animation (or "movie") when played back to back (put together), and you have imported the entire folder of images into the media browser using "Import image stream".

FXhomer1369 wrote:

put every image for every keyframe?
If you have done everything that I listed above, correctly up to this point, then the new object in your media browser (the images) should now play like a movie would. Place it on your canvas, and it will take up a certain amount of room on your timeline, until it ends, just as a movie file would. Multiple placements is not required. It may look like one image in your media browser, but it should play like a movie file, if done correctly.

Good luck.
Wizard.
look at this, the image hasn't the black background:

http://img496.imageshack.us/img496/1231/immagine79tw.jpg

but how you can see here:
http://img427.imageshack.us/img427/5531/immagine80qx.jpg
if I put another image into another frame, I can still see the first.
Is there a way to hide the first? but to have all photos in every frame?
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Yeah, sure, you just shrink the effect on the timeline.


Hope that helps! biggrin

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thanks!!!, Now I'll try and I'll tell you. smile
Posted: Mon, 6th Feb 2006, 6:19pm

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Oeyvind wrote:

Yeah, sure, you just shrink the effect on the timeline.


Hope that helps! biggrin

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It worked...... but there's another problem, look what'up when I save it on video, it's striped:
http://img419.imageshack.us/img419/8657/immagine91zr.jpg
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Oh, that's just because it's interlaced...! (And not progressive) I think we've all faced this problem, but I don't remember the solution. But I think it'll go away when you edit it in an NLE and render the whole project...

Oeyvind

PS: Search the forums for "interlaced" and stuff, and you'll defenitly get something...
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I try to search it.
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Hi everybody, (I'm still searching the interlaced mode), I would like to know how could I use an fxpresent downloaded?.
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FXhomer1369 wrote:

Hi everybody, (I'm still searching the interlaced mode), I would like to know how could I use an fxpresent downloaded?.
Can anyone help me???
Posted: Wed, 8th Feb 2006, 6:37am

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FXhomer1369 wrote:

FXhomer1369 wrote:

Hi everybody, (I'm still searching the interlaced mode), I would like to know how could I use an fxpresent downloaded?.
Can anyone help me???
I believe you are referring to a preset, in which case, I think I can help you. For future reference, as many have instructed you to do, it may be wise to look to the manual that accompanies your program, it answers questions such as this.

Once you have downloaded a preset from FXhome you need to import it into your program. There are a few ways of doing this, but I will cover the method that is covered in your manual. You simply select "File" (from within your program), then "Import FXpreset pack". Now you would locate the preset(s) you wish you to import, select them, and then click "Open".

Any presets that are "effects presets" will be found in your "Effects Browser". If your preset was a particle effect, you would select the particle engine from your effects browser, and the preset should display in the preset inspector titled "Effects presets", below the effect you selected.

If you have a preset that does not show up in any of the effects categories, it may be because it is a filter preset. Un-like effects presets, where the attributes of a specific effects engine are altered to create an effect, filter presets are a combination of different grading features to create or change the appearance of your film, or anything that it is applied to. They are applied to existing objects in your time line, and are often used for emulating another movies look, for example.

Because these presets are not effects presets, they are in a different category, and are applied a different way. To apply these presets, right click the object in your timeline you wish to add the preset to, and select "Apply preset". Then look through the list of presets for the desired preset, select it, and click "Apply".

That is a quick run through of how to use presets, and bit of information about the differences between the two presets. The manual goes into more detail about them, so I strongly recommend you catch up on your reading, it will help you out quite a bit. If you have any other questions, and can not seem to find the answer in the manual, feel free to ask here again.

Have fun.
Wizard.
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I want to ask another thing. can anyone tell me if there's slimer's plug-in? (ghostbusters)
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Hello FXhomer1369. I apologize for the delayed response; I have been busy for the past few days; thank you for your patience.

FXhomer1369 wrote:

I want to ask another thing. can anyone tell me if there's slimer's plug-in? (ghostbusters)
As far as I know, the answer is yes, there is one "slimer" plug-in. I do not know what kind of results you will get using it, or if you will run into any complications, as I have not had the time to test it out for you, but if you want to give it a try, you can find it here.

There is also a handy search feature on the plug-ins page, similar to the search tool for presets, which may be able to help you in any future efforts to locate a specific plug-in, just to let you know.

Enjoy.
Wizard.
Posted: Sun, 12th Feb 2006, 10:16am

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Wizard wrote:

Hello FXhomer1369. I apologize for the delayed response; I have been busy for the past few days; thank you for your patience.

FXhomer1369 wrote:

I want to ask another thing. can anyone tell me if there's slimer's plug-in? (ghostbusters)
As far as I know, the answer is yes, there is one "slimer" plug-in. I do not know what kind of results you will get using it, or if you will run into any complications, as I have not had the time to test it out for you, but if you want to give it a try, you can find it here.

There is also a handy search feature on the plug-ins page, similar to the search tool for presets, which may be able to help you in any future efforts to locate a specific plug-in, just to let you know.

Enjoy.
Wizard.
Thanks 1000 Wizard (don't you worry about the delay).