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Stock footage: Turning an image stream into stock footage

Posted: Mon, 13th Feb 2006, 8:48am

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TUTORIAL
MAKING STOCK FOOTAGE OF AN IMAGE STREAM

Many FXhomers have had questions about how to use the old AlamDV plug-ins in EffectsLab. Well, this is actually really easy! You just have to convert the image stream into stock footage, (A video clip). First you open a new project in EL. Choose the progressive scan, or else each image will last two interlaced frames. (This is what makes the stripes if you render interlaced footage as progressive, each progressive frame will contain two interlaced frames.) Now, in your new project, click on the "Media" button in the toolbox.


You will now be able to see where your stock footage will be, when imported. As for now, the space is empty. So, right-click on the empty space and select "Import Image-stream...".


You will now be able to search through you computer after the wanted images. Select the folder which contains the images you want to use. When you've imported the image stream, you will get one "video" file in the Stock Media space, instead of serval seperate images. This makes it alot easier to work with.


Now, all you have to do is to place it onto the timeline. Set the ending point of the project to match the image stream. Set the marker on the last frame of the image stream, and tap "O" on your keyboard. (Or you can use the drop-down menu from the "render" button at the top to set the out-point.) This will set the out-point of the project rendering.


To render the project, just click on the "Render" button at the top, select "Render" and select the location of where the clip is going to be. However, it is best to check the rendering-options first, so select "Render settings...". You will now be able to choose between QuickTime and AVI files. You can also choose to compress your file, using either DV or DVCPRO (Only for QT). It's best to have full quality for stock footage.


Now, you just render the project! This will take a couple of minutes, all depending on the length of the project.

Now it's time to use your stock footage! You just import the stock footage clip in the Stock Media space. Right click on the empty space, and select "Import Media...".


Then you browse through your computer to find your stock footage and import it. Now, all you have to do is to place it ontop of your original shot! If the picture turns out black, be sure to set the stock footage's compositing mode to "add" or "screen". This is choosen by double-clicking on the clip on the timeline.

Enjoy! wink

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Posted: Mon, 13th Feb 2006, 10:55am

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Great tutorial Oeyvind, I think it will really help people convert plugins to stock and it will also help any new people/users.

Well Done +1 smile

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Posted: Tue, 14th Feb 2006, 1:49am

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Hi - I am about to become a new owner of Effects Lab Pro (and Composite Lab Pro) but have a question in reponse to your comments relating to interlacing. If I am intending to produce output for DV or DVD and not for showing online I will need my footage to be interlaced. If I make the stock footage progressive scan can I still use it with interlaced footage later? Not sure why you want to go progressive scan and not interlaced to be honest.

Apologies of this will all become clear when I buy the program (hoping to have it by the end of the week, just waiting to get an evening to build my new video editing pc). I'm just trying to learn as much as I can from the forums to help with my learning curve. Looking forward to being part of such a vibrant enthusiastic community!
Posted: Tue, 14th Feb 2006, 1:53pm

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petet2 wrote:

If I make the stock footage progressive scan can I still use it with interlaced footage later?
Yes. Only that the interlaced footage will move slightly more "floating"... If you know what I meen! biggrin

petet2 wrote:

Not sure why you want to go progressive scan and not interlaced to be honest.
Well, I'm having troubles really to understand the interlaced\progressive mixing stuff, but if you're using an interlaced footage, and add a progressive stock footage clip, you can just make the stock clip half the speed to match the original shot. However, I suppose you can make the stock footage interlaced if you want to. wink I don't remember, but I just have had problems with it, I think... But I'm sure I've got alot better at the app by now! wink

Looking forward to have you here as a gold user! wink

Oeyvind

EDIT: Oh, and people, if I've written something incorrect, please correct me!
Posted: Thu, 16th Feb 2006, 2:13am

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Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions.

Have just seen that new updates have been released for the programs - will be ordering both tomorrow and can't wait!

(How do I become a Gold user?)
Posted: Thu, 16th Feb 2006, 2:27am

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petet2 wrote:

Have just seen that new updates have been released for the programs - will be ordering both tomorrow...
Great, I hope you enjoy the programs. I am sure you will, especially now that the new versions are available, which include new, more in-depth quick start manuals, which will be great for getting right in there, and getting something done, not to mention the new render engines.

petet2 wrote:

...(How do I become a Gold user?)
Purchasing a program is actually how you become a gold user. You purchase the program(s), follow the relatively easy steps of registering it (them) to your profile, and shortly after, your profile should reflect that you are a gold user. Some times this may take a bit longer than other times, but this all takes place rather quickly.

Enjoy the programs.
Wizard.
Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2006, 8:38am

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Can you download old AlamDv plugins if you have never owned AlamDV and only puchased the VisionLab?

When I try to download, it asks me for a registration number.
Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2006, 10:07am

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Garrison32 wrote:

Can you download old AlamDv plugins if you have never owned AlamDV and only puchased the VisionLab?
The old AlamDV2 plugins were only available for people who had purchased EffectsLab, BUT having asked your question to the rest of the team, we have decided to open the downloads for all gold users. Meaning if you own elab, clab or vlab, you can now download the plugins.
Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2006, 1:54pm

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Great Cogz! I though all Gold users were able to download them already, but I think this was great news. +1 biggrin

Oeyvind
Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2006, 4:04pm

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Cogz wrote:

Garrison32 wrote:

Can you download old AlamDv plugins if you have never owned AlamDV and only puchased the VisionLab?
The old AlamDV2 plugins were only available for people who had purchased EffectsLab, BUT having asked your question to the rest of the team, we have decided to open the downloads for all gold users. Meaning if you own elab, clab or vlab, you can now download the plugins.
You guys are the BEST!

And thanks to all of those who spent time makine all the presets and plugins!!!
Posted: Mon, 27th Mar 2006, 11:18am

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Can you import the old AlamDV presets the same way as the Effects Lab Presets (leaving them as zip files, and then importing them from Effects Lab)?

I was kind of confused when reading the tutorial of How To Make Stock Footage of An Image Stream.

I understand how you convert them to stock footage, but my second question is IF you can't import the old AlamDV presets the way how you do the FX Presets, and if you can only convert them, do you have the extensive control as a preset made for FX?

Doesn't seem like it from the tutorial.
Posted: Tue, 28th Mar 2006, 8:16am

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Garrison32 wrote:

Can you import the old AlamDV presets the same way as the Effects Lab Presets (leaving them as zip files, and then importing them from Effects Lab)?
No, unfortunately you must unzip the file, and import the single folder containing the images using the import image stream feature described above.

Garrison32 wrote:

my second question is IF you can't import the old AlamDV presets the way how you do the FX Presets, and if you can only convert them, do you have the extensive control as a preset made for FX?
You do have some control over the effect/stock media, but you do not have the ability to alter all the effects attributes, as you would a preset which utilizes an effects engine. With stock footage you have the option of scaling the effect, animating the effect, changing the blend/composite mode to alter it, and to add grading filters to it, which can greatly vary the end result of the effect.

Garrison32 wrote:

I was kind of confused when reading the tutorial of How To Make Stock Footage of An Image Stream.
If you find you have any other questions, feel free to ask again, I am sure some one will have an answer for you.

I hope that clears it up.
Wizard.
Posted: Tue, 28th Mar 2006, 4:17pm

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Thank You sir....
Posted: Thu, 13th Apr 2006, 7:25am

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HI!

When I'm making the stock footage and using the method descriped in here, the result is okay but when I'm placing it on the
line and using either screen or add method, result is a bit strange.

ADD => Stock Footage is a little bit transparent
SCREEN => Stoc Footage is very bright and tht's for not very nice looking...

I used also other methods to create stock footage and always result is the same...

What might cause this...?

I tested this with old AlamDV plugin called Anroid Walk

BR
Kent
Posted: Fri, 14th Apr 2006, 12:20am

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Kentsu wrote:

ADD => Stock Footage is a little bit transparent
SCREEN => Stoc Footage is very bright and tht's for not very nice looking...


If I am not mistaken, this should be the opposite. "Add" results in brighter footage, as this composite mode is intended to enhance already luminous effects, such as explosions, fire, or even bright magical effects, etc.

Kentsu wrote:

I used also other methods to create stock footage and always result is the same...

What might cause this...?
EffectsLab's main purpose for stock footage is to allow members to have those big flashy plug-ins that they grew fond of when using AlamDV (EffectsLab's predecessor), such as explosions. The idea goes beyond this, and the function has many uses, but this is the basic idea behind it. The two composite modes "Add" and "Screen" are there to facilitate this need, used for these specific types of stock footage and effects.

Although there is a way for EffectsLab to use stock footage of different kinds, with out using the composite methods add or screen, it would require what is called an "Alpha channel". I am by no means the resident expert on alpha channels, but I do happen to know that with out one, EffectsLab will make any dark pixels of your stock footage translucent (give it a value of zero).

The way malone briefly explained this, EffectsLab "adds the pixel values from the stock footage to the background. The darker the pixel the less it adds on to the background. If its a totally black pixel then it adds zero to the background (ie it has no effect)".

EffectsLab is meant for adding effects to your footage, and not compositing, this is why it has, what may be considered, limited capability in this area. This does not mean your footage can not be used as stock footage in this fashion, but that you require an alpha channel for stock media with darker pixels. There are members that may be able to offer a more in depth explanation, but this is the general concept.

Hope that makes sense.
Wizard.
Posted: Wed, 19th Apr 2006, 9:30am

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Indeed, to confirm Wizard's post, EffectsLab's stock footage capabilities are designed specifically for explosions/fire/etc (ie, light-based stock) or alpha channelled images (such as renders from a 3D program etc). This covers the most common kinds of stock footage we'd expect to be used in conjunction with EffectsLab's own effects engines.

If you need a full compositing package, then CompositeLab is the man for the job.
Posted: Fri, 5th May 2006, 10:43pm

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I don´t understand...I did exactly as the tutorial explained but still, the stock footage is not visible when I put it on the original clip crazy

A little help, please?

//Razeer
Posted: Fri, 5th May 2006, 11:00pm

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Razeer wrote:

I don´t understand...I did exactly as the tutorial explained but still, the stock footage is not visible when I put it on the original clip crazy

A little help, please?

//Razeer
Have you done this step in Oyevind's Tutorial?

Now it's time to use your stock footage! You just import the stock footage clip in the Stock Media space. Right click on the empty space, and select "Import Media...".

Then you browse through your computer to find your stock footage and import it. Now, all you have to do is to place it ontop of your original shot! If the picture turns out black, be sure to set the stock footage's compositing mode to "add" or "screen". This is choosen by double-clicking on the clip on the timeline.


It should show up when you change it to "add" or "screen".
Posted: Sat, 6th May 2006, 2:17am

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yeah, I´ve done that part, and it still doesn´t show up sad
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 12:49am

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when i put the plugin on my movie i can see it but it is extremely light and is see through. Is there something i can do to fix this?
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 12:53am

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Try changing it from add to screen, or screen to add. It makes a difference sometimes
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 7:37am

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If you're compositing it against a bright background it'll probably seem a bit bright - light-based stuff is better used against darker backgrounds when possible.
Posted: Sun, 25th Jun 2006, 4:04pm

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just wanted to say that the tutorial is very good, but there is a easyier way now.
Now that Effects lab has been relased properly it now has a function called 'Import Image Stream'. So it you want to import an old alam plugin, go to import image stream and find the unziped plugin, look in the folder with all the images and you will see also see that the images are numberd in sequence. Select all these images and effect lab will import the plugin as an effect on the time line. As long as the images are named in numerical order, then effects lab will be able to keep the sequnce right.

This means if you do an animation, make sure all the images are named in numerical order, i.e. first image Is named 1, then the second image named 2 and so on.

Any way hope this helps.
Posted: Mon, 26th Mar 2007, 4:30pm

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Very helpful, got me out of the mess..
Posted: Mon, 9th Apr 2007, 7:34pm

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I got a question, I am already editing my movie and I am at the point where I need to use a certain Alamdv2 effect or effects,
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l185/Demix18/fxhomeproblem.jpg

Problem is, is that whenever I go to import it on the timeline it has a big black box around it.
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l185/Demix18/fxhomeproblem2.jpg

Someone help me please!!
Posted: Mon, 9th Apr 2007, 9:12pm

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I have the same problem. I heard someone say to convert the file type to a png.
Posted: Tue, 10th Apr 2007, 4:29am

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how do I do that? does it even work? lol
Posted: Tue, 10th Apr 2007, 4:51am

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You ought to be able to convert it with whatever image editor you have. Which effect in particular is giving you grief?
Posted: Tue, 10th Apr 2007, 9:19pm

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these 2...

1: http://fxhome.com/alamdv2/plugins/info_cache/plugin1200.html

And this one: http://fxhome.com/alamdv2/plugins/info_cache/plugin1198.html


And what do you mean about a image converter? You mean I have to buy something else to convert it so I can use it?
Posted: Wed, 11th Apr 2007, 12:14am

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I mean whatever program you use to work on image files or photos. Some sort of image editior is almost essential for video work, whether it be Photoshop, Paint Shop Pro, Graphic Converter, the GIMP (which is free), or whatever. The reason those images don't composite properly is that the .tif files have an embedded alpha channel, but it was not cretaed to properly mask out the black areas. If you convert them to .png or .jpeg files, then the alpha channel will be removed and they will automatically use the Add composite, which is what you will want for lightning anyway.
Posted: Wed, 11th Apr 2007, 3:01am

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So I HAVE to have a photo converter, like I have to download something to get it to work?


EDIT: Nevermind I got it to work!! Thanks alot buddy! biggrin
Posted: Wed, 11th Apr 2007, 4:06am

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Cool glad to hear it. What technique did you use?

On general principle, yes, you have to have a photo editor. smile Not necessarily for the plug-ins, but just because. Incidentally, the far majority of the AlamDV plug-ins won't have that problem, as they are either TIFFs with proper alpha channels to begin with, or the are jpegs that will auto composite using the Add mode. It just so happens the two you referenced do need converted for EffectsLab. In CompositeLab, no conversion would be necessary as it provides full control over compositing.
Posted: Thu, 12th Apr 2007, 10:26pm

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Yes! I got it! I went in to paint and converted the pictures of the ghost busters beam to pngs.
Posted: Sat, 2nd Jun 2007, 7:24am

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i have this plugin which is a still image that when i import it in, it only lasts one frame in effects lab. i tried to extend its length but couldnt. is there anyway i can make it longer?
Posted: Sat, 2nd Jun 2007, 4:03pm

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Import it using the standard import media option, NOT using Import image stream. Then you should be able to use the timeline tools to drag it to whatever length you want.

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Posted: Sun, 24th Jun 2007, 8:25pm

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I put your guide into prectice with one of my image streams, but when it was rendered and imported it was still transparent.
Posted: Mon, 25th Jun 2007, 9:05am

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I got a quick question. I just used stock footage for the first time today. The footage is a small explosion. It starts out well but then when it gets to the middle, when the explosion is at its biggest, you can easily see through the effect which makes it look really fake. I tried to put up the transparency but it is already at 100. Can I fix it?
Posted: Mon, 9th Jul 2007, 8:20pm

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I've just bought Elab Pro and im wondering how to get static plugins (e.g. Axemans Scorch effect) to last more than 1 frame.
Thanks for the help.

Edit: ah...sorry didnt read all the posts...never mind...thanks anyway axeman biggrin
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When I try to import the images it says, "You are not allowed more than one file type in an image stream." HOW CAN I DO THIS?
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Well, if the images you are trying to import have more the one file type, I would suggest you change the file types so they all match.

Use Photoshop, Paint, GIMP, WinRAR, whatever works.