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Posted: Tue, 21st Feb 2006, 3:43am

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Hello every one. WIndows is coming out with a new OS called Windows Vista and i was wondering what everyone has heard about it. I personally think its wat xp should have been from what i read BUt i just want to know ur opion on the whole thing. Windows Vista

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Posted: Tue, 21st Feb 2006, 4:01am

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'Windows Vista Aero provides spectacular visual effects such as glass-like interface elements that you can see through.'

It must be amazing!
Glass... like... elements.

And all you need is at least 8GB of RAM to achieve these glass like elements. razz

I'm impressed though really, well done Microsoft, you've seemingly copied the Mac OS again in so many ways - but that isn't totally a bad thing, it'll probably be really good. I can't wait to be able to see what windows I have open in 3D using my scroll mouse button...

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Posted: Tue, 21st Feb 2006, 4:23am

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"Gadgets are mini-applications with a wide variety of possible uses. Gadgets can connect to web services to deliver weather information, news updates, traffic maps, Internet radio streams, and slide shows of online photo albums. Gadgets can also integrate with your applications to streamline your interaction with them. For example, a gadget can give you an at-a-glance view of all your online instant messaging contacts, the day view from your calendar, or an easy way to control your media player. Of course, gadgets can also have any number of dedicated purposes. They can be calculators, games, sticky notes, and more.

Microsoft Windows Vista comes with an essential set of gadgets to get you started. You will be able to easily download more gadgets from an online gadget gallery. This gallery will host gadgets from a wide variety of developers and offer an extensive selection to meet your interests."

Hmm, not like widgets are they?


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Posted: Tue, 21st Feb 2006, 12:12pm

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Mmm, well to be honest the only things I can see that are anything like OS X, are the search feature, gadgets, and the emphasis on appearance.... And all of those would be stupid to not put in, IMO.

Also er-no, you still seem to believe the very old, pre-beta 1 rumour that Vista needs a monster computer. In fact, it'll run on the very same hardware as XP, although you will need at least a decent graphic card for the glass effects and such.

Personnally, I'm really looking forward to it. If you want to know any details, just talk with mVPstar, he could talk to you about it for hours and hours.
Posted: Tue, 21st Feb 2006, 12:26pm

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One thing that's different in this case is that with previous releases, you've always wanted to upgrade ASAP in the hope that it would actually work right.

With XP, however, they finally created a stable and friendly interface that actually does its job properly. So there's no real burning desire to change - and it does look like Vista is emphasising gimmicks far too much.

Transparency? Oooh! Turn the windows sideways in 3D? Ooooh!

All totally unnecessary.
Posted: Tue, 21st Feb 2006, 4:08pm

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Of course, you've all just touched upon AERO and 3D GFX, which do have their purposes in terms of usability (live preview of windows, etc)

Like Tarn said, XP is incredibily stable. It can run everything, the UI is pretty good. But what about in the next 10 years? Will XP still be performant enough to run the latest software? Surely you do believe in software evolution.

Of course, MS could just monthly update XP's components to support the latest software, but there's a lot of stuff that can't be updated by just patching and installing new software.

Also, MS has plans for a new version of Windows called Windows Vienna, which is said to have a completely 3D interface, get rid of the taskbar, utilize a completely new filesystem, utilize total security from the ground up (not just on the surface). There's no way constant patching and updating can get to that new level. I doubt Apple would have/could have patched the Mac to OS X.

That's where Vista comes in. Vista aids as a transitionary OS between XP and the evolved tech world MS is planning for the future.

Now what exactly does Vista have that's so great and special?

Let's see, in terms of gaming we have:

New Audio stack (means that audio and video wont conflict with each other within a game)
New Networking stack (faster networking performance)
New "Gaming" mode (not solely for gaming but it essentially shuts off all services and programs that are not needed by the game, allowing the game more resources to run. Some games that kind of work on a computer with XP, but can't b/c the assumption has been that the computer doesn't have the necessary hardware to run the game, will work on Vista without a problem.
Game Peformance Tweaker (tweaks hardware settings for maximum gaming performance)
Hardware detection enhancements (automatically adjusts total system every hardware change or addition to maximize total system and gaming performance)
Super Fetch (allows USB devices to be used as extra memory in the system, allowing games to preload massive amounts of data)
Setup takes less than 30 minutes (everything...install..setup of users and dates....not just the installation of Windows like in XP)

...still haven't talked about AERO or the dazzling GFX....


...in terms of normal home user tasks...we have:

Castle networking (allows domain like experience where you can log on to any PC in house and get your documents, etc)
New Explorer (allows tagging of documents and meta descriptions for better finding of docs and better organization)
Search (see Explorer)
Solutions Center (keeps track of problems inside Windows and other 3rd party software, sends problem information to MS servers, and periodically downloads "Solutions" to the problems. )
Friendly Error Messages (none of the cryptic "Invalid Operation....Incorrect permission key....etc" error messages. Errors have been replaced with more human readable text like "You have not entered the date in the correct format. "
No more BSODs (well, right now in the newer builds of Vista, the BSOD has been replaced with a dialog that says "Blue Screen" smile Closing the dialog does nothing, to my knowledge, except closes the dialog
Windows Firewall (actually a firewall now razz)
Parental Controls (I don't really like this enhancement, but will be useful to a lot of parents)
Windows Mail (to compete with OS Xs)
Windows Calendar (to compete with OS Xs)

I still haven't touched upon the dazzling effects and graphics and also what Vista means to developers and businesses, not to mention those who still have computers from the stone ages.

I could go on and write some more....but I think you get the point.


Er-no: why is it that you still maintain that Vista will require massive amounts of hardware to run? 1.) MS released info a while ago disproving that statement 2.) I doubt MS is testing Vista on better computers than what we have today 3.) I doubt the majority of testers are running any computer that'll be released in the future.
Posted: Tue, 21st Feb 2006, 4:25pm

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Like XP and 2000 before it I expect Vista to be another solid step in the right direction. It won't change your life just improve it. Just like any good OS update. Bring it on thats what I say...
Posted: Tue, 21st Feb 2006, 4:27pm

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mVPstar wrote:

Like Tarn said, XP is incredibily stable.
*MrShmoe wishes that his copy of XP were like that sad

Well enough said about that.

I think Vista is going to be a great OS and I'm certainly going to buy it the day they release it, even if it might be a little bit unstable in the beginning.
Posted: Tue, 21st Feb 2006, 5:24pm

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A friend of mine works for Microsoft as a closed beta tester. Suffice to say, I have been thoroughly disappointed by anything he's had to show me so far...
Posted: Tue, 21st Feb 2006, 5:50pm

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I'm actually prowd of how few problems I've had on this pc with windows xp.

I used to hate Windows, I've had so many bad experiences.
But now I have faith again, which also makes me belive in Windows Vista.

Though I'm not going to lie to you, I'm planing to buy a MacBook this year, but only cause of 1. Garageband/Logic, 2. Final Cut Express 3. I'm in need for laptop, and would be nice to get real mac experience.
Posted: Tue, 21st Feb 2006, 6:04pm

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Hmmm. Apparently the Windows version of Halo 2 will be Vista only. That is very crap, an obviously a very calculated move by Microsoft to get millions of people to upgrade their OS.
Posted: Tue, 21st Feb 2006, 6:06pm

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Mellifluous wrote:

Hmmm. Apparently the Windows version of Halo 2 will be Vista only. That is very crap, an obviously a very calculated move by Microsoft to get millions of people to upgrade their OS.
What, a years-old game from a previous generation console, sequel to a game that was poorly received on the PC in the first place?

I can't see many people getting terribly excited about that, to be honest. Anybody that wants to play Halo2 will have already done so, on the xbox where it belongs.
Posted: Tue, 21st Feb 2006, 6:16pm

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Actually, I believe Halo was an amazing game on PC; I sure hope they bring it out on XP because I don't plan on upgrading to Vista as long as I can avoid it...
Posted: Tue, 21st Feb 2006, 6:40pm

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Halo shouldn't have required so much resources. Technically, it's not such a great game, yet I had to use even lesser gfx quality in order to play it on my old machine.

Right now, there's a lot of speculation that this move is solely a marketting move.

I would have to say that maybe it prompted this hefty requirement for Halo 2, but where Halo 2 PC stands right now, there's much more technical reason for why Halo 2 PC can only run on Vista and later versions.

If you're still curious, you can ask David Weller on his blog, game developer evangelist at MS, the reason for this action.

He and his team will announce the reasons Halo 2 will only run on Vista later on.
Posted: Tue, 21st Feb 2006, 6:45pm

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alpha54 wrote:

Actually, I believe Halo was an amazing game on PC;
The world disagrees.
I sure hope they bring it out on XP because I don't plan on upgrading to Vista as long as I can avoid it...
It's not going to happen, they've already announced it's going to be Vista only.

Bringing Halo 2 to Vista is obviously a move to get some console gamers in on Vista. I imagine that's about it. wink

Personally, I pretty much agree with Tarn on this one. Halo 2 was old-tech by PC standards even on it's release, the only positive I can think about the idea would be if Halo 2 ships free with Vista, so in a sense it becomes the next "Doom" so to speak. (As in, something everyone... everrryone has.).

There are rumours a plenty of Vista incorporating with XboxLive alot more than initially suggested. Could be spiffy, could also be rubbish. I'll be getting vista a good few months after it's released. Perhaps even a year.

-Hybrid.
Posted: Tue, 21st Feb 2006, 6:49pm

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sfbmovieco wrote:

"Gadgets are mini-applications with a wide variety of possible uses. Gadgets can connect to web services to deliver weather information, news updates, traffic maps, Internet radio streams, and slide shows of online photo albums. Gadgets can also integrate with your applications to streamline your interaction with them. For example, a gadget can give you an at-a-glance view of all your online instant messaging contacts, the day view from your calendar, or an easy way to control your media player. Of course, gadgets can also have any number of dedicated purposes. They can be calculators, games, sticky notes, and more.

Microsoft Windows Vista comes with an essential set of gadgets to get you started. You will be able to easily download more gadgets from an online gadget gallery. This gallery will host gadgets from a wide variety of developers and offer an extensive selection to meet your interests."

Hmm, not like widgets are they?


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Gadgets are Widgets taken to the next step.

Like Widgets, they can be viewed on your desktopand in a browser.

The cool thing is, it doesn't stop there.

The same widgets that are on your computer can be used in other hardware devices such as a digital picture frame. For example, imagine being able to control Windows Media Player and check up on the news from a little remote control containing your Windows Gadgets.

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Posted: Tue, 21st Feb 2006, 6:53pm

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Thats like the least amazing thing I've ever heard.

Widgets are pretty lame in OS X as well.
Posted: Tue, 21st Feb 2006, 6:56pm

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schwar wrote:

Widgets are pretty lame in OS X as well.
My friend has some sweet widgets, which movie is in our towns cinema, and other stuff.
But it's not really that amazing.
Posted: Tue, 21st Feb 2006, 7:02pm

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schwar wrote:

Thats like the least amazing thing I've ever heard.

Widgets are pretty lame in OS X as well.
You don't believe being able to play your music collection using controls on the side of your laptop, being able to access your calendar and contacts, or get flight information while your laptop is shut is amazing?

Jeesh schwar, you need to get out more. razz
Posted: Tue, 21st Feb 2006, 8:33pm

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I’m sure vista will probably just multiply the amount of services that I have to disable before I would even think of running it. I’ll need to see some mind blowing gaming benchmarks, eye candy and gadgets aint gonna cut it for me.

If the IE 7 beta that I uninstalled after about 20 minutes is any indication of things to come…
Posted: Tue, 21st Feb 2006, 8:44pm

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You don't believe being able to play your music collection using controls on the side of your laptop, being able to access your calendar and contacts, or get flight information while your laptop is shut is amazing?

Jeesh schwar, you need to get out more.
I can already see and play my music and videos wherever I want in my house using my wifi laptops...

How exactly am I getting this flight information when my laptop is shut? Please don't tell me its on my mobile phone with its 2inch screen or on a larger, but rather pointless, standalone screen?

I can do that already but I would rather use my laptop as I can then do something productive with the information like fire off and email using a full sized keyboard. I'm not sure why waiting for my laptop to unsleep is such a problem - it takes about 4 seconds.

I'm not really sure what amazing new powers this technology is meant to give me - from what I've seen its gimicky digital photo screens and wifi devices for idiots.
Posted: Tue, 21st Feb 2006, 9:16pm

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From what I've seen of Vista so far, it appears as though there are a gazillion minor, cool changes (like a live thumbnail of a window when you mouse over it in the taskbar, or in alt-tab), with a few medium changes (like the changes to the start menu) and very few major changes (like the look).
Posted: Tue, 21st Feb 2006, 9:51pm

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Hybrid-Halo wrote:

The world disagrees.
Indeed, with you.

Either way, nothing is going to make me switch to Vista, unless they make some very drastic changes to make the upgrade worthwhile. If all it has to offer is that Glass interface, then there's no reason to bother - you can get that through 3rd party program on XP.
Posted: Tue, 21st Feb 2006, 9:56pm

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Schwar, I edited my post with a link of an example right before you posted.

Currently, it's an auxiliary display on your laptop. Later, gadgets will be swarming around in all kinds of devices.


alpha, have you not read my first post in this topic or are you just posting stuff for the heck of it?

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Posted: Tue, 21st Feb 2006, 9:57pm

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alpha54 wrote:

Hybrid-Halo wrote:

The world disagrees.
Indeed, with you.
Well actually, go read a (un-biased) review and you'll see actually that Halo is widely known to be a very basic shooter with absolutely nothing that we haven't seen before, PC-wise. The thing I loved about it though was that the animation of characters and vehicle physics sometimes made for laugh-out-loud moments (in a good way).
Posted: Tue, 21st Feb 2006, 10:41pm

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alpha, have you not read my first post in this topic or are you just posting stuff for the heck of it?
Don't worry, I read your post... Its just that as someone who's had extensive hands-on time with an internal beta build, I have to strongly disagree with anything you've said about Vista being revolutionary. Gigantic disappointment, more like.

And about Halo, most unbiased reviews gave it around a 7/10 I believe. I know its rather basic sometimes; I don't know what it is about that game but something just makes me love it. I guess its the whole epic setting; there are a lot of great shooters but hardly any of them successfully convey that feeling of really being involved in this huge war against an alien race. In the end, I couldn't care less about the slightly subpar graphics and dated engine - the game was fun, which is all that should matter in the end! smile
Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006, 1:12am

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alpha54 wrote:

alpha, have you not read my first post in this topic or are you just posting stuff for the heck of it?
Don't worry, I read your post... Its just that as someone who's had extensive hands-on time with an internal beta build, I have to strongly disagree with anything you've said about Vista being revolutionary. Gigantic disappointment, more like.
It's not revolutionary and not supposed to be.

I'm not sure why you're thinking Vista would be revolutionary, because it's not and shouldn't be.

Vista is really just a transitionary OS for Vienna.

It's meant to polish all the technology that's in Windows up to now. Stuff like inherent security features, the hardware flexibility of the OS, and the nicer UI introduced in XP will be close to perfect and polished in Vista. That'll be a portion of Vista. The rest of Vista (sidebar, AERO, sideshow, new audio and networking stacks) will set precendents for the later Vienna.
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That's the thing, its so far short of revolutionary that its already questionable to even call it evolutionary. I may be pessimistic, but based on my experience with it Vista will turn out to be rather underwhelming. smile
Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006, 2:02am

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So what? Are you saying that it de-evolved?

Or are you saying that it's the same, despite numerous performance increases and clearer usability?

Explain.
Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006, 2:15am

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In a way, yes. Instead of actually coming up with something useful, they glossed the whole thing over with a GUI that needs a 6800/X800 or above to run full quality. Anything below that is then stuck with the "Aero Lite" theme rolleyes

And don't forget the fact that Vista completey cripples all OpenGL-based games and applications, now Microsoft could never live with giving a popular competing graphics solution a chance!

Beyond that, one of Vista's most touted features was the "WinFS" file management structure. Guess what - instead of releasing that with Vista, they are now going to seperately sell it; and only as an addon to their next server OS.

Seriously, its all a bit ridiculous...
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alpha54 wrote:

In a way, yes. Instead of actually coming up with something useful, they glossed the whole thing over with a GUI that needs a 6800/X800 or above to run full quality. Anything below that is then stuck with the "Aero Lite" theme rolleyes
Even if that were true.... What are you suggesting? That they not include the visual stuff at all and just stick an XP look? If you needed a 6800 for the effects, it'd be for a good reason and it would just be a good thing since it'd take advantage of the hardware you have.
Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006, 3:07am

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Where are you getting this info from?

Straight from MS:

"CPU — PC systems should have a modern CPU.

• RAM — PC systems should have 512MB of memory or more.

• GPU — PC systems should have a graphics processor that will support Windows Display Driver Model (WDDM).
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Nowhere does it say GeForce 6800/x800.

In fact, I've seen people buy a new GFX card for only ~$100 to run Glass.

64MB video ram and a Vista video driver is all that's needed for Glass.

Also, I don't know where the heck you're getting this info on WinFS from.

1.) Most of WinFS is included in Vista. - A portion of WinFS is the amazing search functionality and the meta tagging of files, and the use of XML. That's in there. The other portion is a totally redesigned filesystem.

2.) It wont "cost" to get WinFS. - WinFS will be released as a download when it's ready, around Longhorn Server release.

3.) It will be in Longhorn Server - At least you got that part right.


Dude, why not listen to MS on all the info? After all they're the ones making Vista, not whatever biased magazine/news site you're reading. clap
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Pooky wrote:

Even if that were true.... What are you suggesting? That they not include the visual stuff at all and just stick an XP look?
Yes.

But if you did that then you would basically have XP and we already do so what’s the point of Vista?

Just some smoke and mirrors by MS to try and make us believe we need to upgrade.
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Heh, right, so you prefer inferior OSes... well okay, don't upgrade then. neutral
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Pooky wrote:

Heh, right, so you prefer inferior OSes... well okay, don't upgrade then. neutral
Windowz 95 all the waaaay!!!

R0xx0rs baby! razz


I mean, people were complaining back in Windows 95 why they should upgrade to Windows 98 for just minor enhancements like quick launch and active desktop and :cough: "better networking".

And of course, those people didn't all upgrade. Right?


Oh and then Windows 2000 professional.

"Why do we need it? I mean, we can do the job fine with 98 and our 95 machines."

And isn't Windows XP just 2000 with a GUI? In fact, it really is with just a firewall and some security enhancements.

Go ahead..tell me how larger an upgrade 2000 to XP is compared to XP to Vista. Go on. I'm ALL EARS.

rolleyes
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Pooky wrote:

Heh, right, so you prefer inferior OSes... well okay, don't upgrade then. neutral
Heh, right, so you prefer installing every new OS... well okay, upgrade away then. neutral

If XP is inferior then by definition Vista is already inferior to future OSes and not worthy of installation right?
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Heh, right, so you prefer installing every new OS... well okay, upgrade away then. neutral

If XP is inferior then by definition Vista is already inferior to future OSes and not worthy of installation right?
...


"Yay Windows 95!!!!! Never upgraded...never will. So maybe I wont be able to run all the latest software, the latest upgrades to software, the latest games, the latest technology. I mean after all, I got my grey toolbar, my MS paint (which I can use to paint my grey toolbar...in a bitmapped picture for my wallpaper), my McAffe 3.0 firewall and antivirus, and my IE5.5!"

" No sirrreeee bob! I'm all set for the future!"


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aenigma wrote:

Pooky wrote:

Heh, right, so you prefer inferior OSes... well okay, don't upgrade then. neutral
Heh, right, so you prefer installing every new OS... well okay, upgrade away then. neutral

If XP is inferior then by definition Vista is already inferior to future OSes and not worthy of installation right?
Yeah, I am never going to buy ___ because a better one will be released. So what? Live for the moment man. You can just keep waiting, because they will always release new and better OSes, they aren't just going to stop in 10 years when you're still alive and everyone is happy. Economy doesn't work like that, and if you expect it to, have fun being miserable (assuming this is your psychology everywhere...) All that stuff right there was really just trying to prove the point that that was a very bad point to back yourself up. Maybe you have strong feelings that this OS is no better than XP or something, but that whole idea was terrible. I hate the lack of a good search and an interface that I hate, so Vista looks useable for me. I'm still sticking on Mac for many other reasons however.
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MVP, I think you are going overboard on this. You are taking every small arguement against Vista as a personal attack. If I didn't know better, reading through this thread, I'd think you were a Microsoft sales rep. I use both a Mac and PC. I probably won't upgrade my PC, just like I didn't upgrade to the newest Mac OSX when it came out.

I know people have ridiculed Vista on this thread for whatever reason, but the way you are striking back is to me unecessary. Your sarcasm is bland and totally not needed. I know people who run '98 for various reasons. Not all people want to be able to listen to music, watch a video, get weather, see whats on tv, and listen to radio at the same time on the desktop PC. That is why I didn't go for Mac OSX with the widgets...My OSX already had what I needed. Just like my Aunt and Grandmother still use '98-it has IE and e-mail and a word processor. It may not be secure, but they know enough to stay out of trouble most of the time.

My point is simply this. Sure, be enthusiastic about Vista, make sure everyone knows your going to get it. But when I or someone else says, "Man I don't know why anyone would upgrade to it, it's a total rip off!" Don't go, "Oh man lets all just have Win3.1 running DOS, you're silly if you don't use all these cool gadgets or ___(insert Vista cool thingie bobber here)." Why are you always on the defensive about this stuff?
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Go ahead..tell me how larger an upgrade 2000 to XP is compared to XP to Vista. Go on. I'm ALL EARS.
Unless you use your computer for gaming, 200 to XP would be an unneccessary upgrade.

aenigma, I agree with you 110% - it is all just smoke and mirrors.

mVPstar, I think you need to back off on the hardware requirements issue, ok? I'm not getting my info from any "biased magazines", I know somebody who works for Microsoft as an internal beta tester. I've spent several hours going over the latest beta built with him, and I can tell you from experience that the fully-fledged GUI will not run on anything below a 6800/x800. For god's sake, I've tested different hardware configurations!
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I've also seen developer reports that to get all the OTT features of the new GUI working at decent speed you need 6800/x800 + GPUs but I guess we'll see. This will be pretty standard before too long anyway even if it does sound rather silly right now.

I expect Vista to be a good step in the right direction but it does seem like a very different OS to the one Microsoft said we would get but then this tends to be the way with all software companies.

I HATE the idea of just making a transitional OS even if this is what many of them are in reality. It seems like an excuse to me if the transition won't be ending for another 3-6 years (probably 10 knowing Microsoft)!

Its an odd idea to consider something you're working on as a transition to something better - just gives you an easy way out of not getting features and functions finished in time or making something as polished as it could be.

I'm now getting more worried about Vista...

mVPstar wrote:

Dude, why not listen to MS on all the info? After all they're the ones making Vista, not whatever biased magazine/news site you're reading.
You think the magazines and developers are more biased than Microsoft? Sure all magazines have huge bias but none will match that of the maker of the software! The spec of Longhorn and Vista has changed many times and some features still don't have a solid release schedule - trust nobody...

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It does indeed seem a bit silly to need such a hefty graphics card to run the OS. Even though those cards will be standard fairly soon, it still strikes me as approaching things the wrong way.

Personally, I'd prefer to have a 'basic' interface with extremely high functionality, that has minimal system requirements. The OS should be there to enable you to do things, not to look pretty.

I'm not saying OSes should be ugly, but functionality is undeniably their primary goal. A simple, clean interface that is elegant and pleasant to use is far more important than whizzbang gimmickry.
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My dads friends sister works at Microsoft, so he gets some beta's and stuff from Mr.Gates himself.
I have seen Vista and it is pretty cool smile
The "glass like elements" everyone is talking about are there. When moving a window over or something, it goes transparent so you can see where it'll be.
It also comes with Windows Media Player 11 (Or so I've heard)
Can't wait for it at the end of this year
EDIT: Halo 2 will be a "Vista Exclusive" game for it too. So yes, Halo 2 will be on the PC.
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My mum works at Siemens as an english trainer. Her students, the computer freaks, said they hate Windows Vista. It has more bugs than
XP had when it first came it out. The only good thing about it, is that it
has a 3d look to it..but thats it. They had to change all the pc's to windows vista last week-end.
One needs an extremely powerful pc in order to use vista, which is crap.

cheers,
d.
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Erm, they must have changed it to a beta (which you might expect to be buggy) as Vista isn't out yet...
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pcremag wrote:

My dads friends sister works at Microsoft, so he gets some beta's and stuff from Mr.Gates himself.
I have seen Vista and it is pretty cool smile
Lucky dawg razz
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pcremag,

Nothing to do with this thread at all, but I have just seen your avatar and burst out laughing!

Over 20 YEARS ago I used to draw virtually the exact same thing on the corner of my school books and make little flip films.

A guy running,
A discus or javelin (or other type of ridiculous object) on the loose
A grand finale of a decapitation shot.

So glad to see not EVERYTHING in life changes biggrin
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schwar wrote:

Erm, they must have changed it to a beta (which you might expect to be buggy) as Vista isn't out yet...
No! They get it pretty much before everyone else. Why should they update EVERY SINGLE PC to a Beta version ? That would be suicide.

cheers,
d.
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WOW Did not expect this many replys. I got throught the first page and was about to start the second when i saw that there were 4 so i figured i would read the rest 2night. I did know that Halo2 was coming ot ONLY for vista that is acually how i found out about it. And i Agree with Tarn that it is a little to late for Halo2 to come out with it and i do beleive it is a sad attempt to sell more Vista copies. But i'm not to exited about that. I mean I LOVE HALO and HALO2 for xbox and i liked Halo for PC but i think they should rethink there design and make Halo3 for PC and Xbox 360.

I didnt know about the GLOSSY effects but i was more wondering about features. Not really sure how to explain but likr idk ummm more utilitys or something but its a good start. PS there was one long post that i didnt read because i'm at skool and i dont have time.
I mean if you want glossy icons and a diffrent looking interface WHICH i will admit XP lacks ALOAD of personalisation features on its own. But if you go to i think the website is called XPtheme.com or org you can totally change your interface. But i am exited about the Personalisation features. Maybe they Finally fixed all the bug with having the take bar on the right. MAy be not. Well thats all i got for now later.
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I never said I wouldn’t upgrade I just see no reason to upgrade. Hell, I would install Vista the first week it came out if there was a convincing reason to do so. Everything I read is “look at the new start menu, look at the new control panel, look at the new my computer, weee look at WMP 11, look at glass effects”. Ok, I’m looking at it and BFD.

If that means in your mind that I live in the dark ages and I don’t “live for the moment” (can’t really say I would ever use that to describe upgrading my OS) then so be it.

Tarn wrote:

Personally, I'd prefer to have a 'basic' interface with extremely high functionality, that has minimal system requirements. The OS should be there to enable you to do things, not to look pretty.

I'm not saying OSes should be ugly, but functionality is undeniably their primary goal. A simple, clean interface that is elegant and pleasant to use is far more important than whizzbang gimmickry.
This man speaketh the truth.
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devilskater - The final release version isn't finished so they can't get it before everyone else - its still being worked on at Microsoft.

If they did install Vista then it has to be a developer/beta/pre-release version of some kind. It doesn't mean its unstable or "suicide" - in many cases there is a fine line between pre-release and final release when it comes to software development.
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There aren't really many new features that we havn't seen before, but I do like the multiple desktop, the desktop search, and other graphical improvements within explorer. I am kinda looking forward to the upgrade, and also to see how well halo 2 will run on it.
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I've never really looked much into the vista thing before. The allegedly absurd system requirements have previously prevented me from giving a sh*t.

Having found that the specs aren't all that, i've had a browse around the vista site and have found a new issue to whinge about:

Everything is stolen!?11one

Reactionary headlines aside, seriously....almost every single feature now in core Vista appears to have been cribbed from software written by other companies, which have been doing [whatever] for years. They've even copied some of the interfaces verbatim!

I mean come on! everything the site raves about on this page is already in another application by another company.

Am I the only person who thinks vista is a bloaty, unoriginal stain on Open Source and small-time software developers?

Quite honestly, i feel rather insulted. I appreciate that - for example - the floating expandy dock thing in OS X is sexy, or that the position of the quicksearch box in Firefox is pretty obvious from a UI design perspective, but Microsoft could at least TRY to do it their own way.
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Xcession wrote:

Am I the only person who thinks vista is a bloaty, unoriginal stain on Open Source and small-time software developers?
Nope.

They’ve been ripping of others for years though. Even if we give them the benefit of the doubt and say they came up with some of this stuff themselves it takes them way to long to get it in the hands of the public. It’s like yawn… been there, done that, someone else is doing it better.
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I don't really have a problem with Vista taking the best of other programs. They are bound to say everything is great and new but even if it isn't it should improve the OS.

Sure the search might remind me of Mac OS X and I think they wished the look did as well (although it just looks a bit cheap from what I've seen). Although I'm not convinced by the look I'm happy to see Microsoft (and other OS makers) working with the GPU - a great move.

Every program looks at the competition and integrates the best bits if they can - I look forward to seeing what other companies do after Vista.
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Every company has to keep up with the best of what is available, sure, but every company ought to be innovating too.

If MS is going to rave about integrating a system which is commonplace on many desktops through third party software already (such as quicksearch), then charge hundreds of thousands of users for the privilege of being given what they already had, I think those users would appreciate if MS built upon the features they integrated, rather than just copying them wholesale.
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i just read that vista is coming in 6 different version all of them in 32 and 64 bit

2 Business versions 3 versions for home pc users and one for newbies
read more about them here
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Well, that should cut down on confusion and software compatibility issues.
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Tarn wrote:

Well, that should cut down on confusion and software compatibility issues.
What he said.. wink
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Xcession wrote:

Every company has to keep up with the best of what is available, sure, but every company ought to be innovating too.

If MS is going to rave about integrating a system which is commonplace on many desktops through third party software already (such as quicksearch), then charge hundreds of thousands of users for the privilege of being given what they already had, I think those users would appreciate if MS built upon the features they integrated, rather than just copying them wholesale.
But alot of those features have been taken further in Vista...

Not to mention that list encompasses only half of what makes Vista awesome.

What are you claiming is stolen from other 3rd party software?
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ExtremeTech has a very good article about the improvements & new features in Vista. It goes into good depth on kernel, networking and file system improvements, among others, rather than covering the usual "nicer graphics" stuff that seems to get lots of attention.
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Yeah, I was just going to post that article.

Like I said a million times, the GFX and flashy stuff are only on the surface. The good stuff is deep down in the actual core system, the stuff which I'm looking forward to.
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I would hope networking performance is improved because its terrible at the moment. The file system stuff will also be great once its fully active but its not anything other OS haven't already done.
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I'm more interested in the process priorities and how some processes will act like a system service.

No more will an app "wait" for something simple like virus scanning to finish whatever it's struggling on.
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Me and my friend BOTH GOT THE BETA Version. And it is LOOKIN GOOD! Ill put so Screen Shots up later
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irishcult wrote:

Me and my friend BOTH GOT THE BETA Version. And it is LOOKIN GOOD! Ill put so Screen Shots up later
Why? There are sooo many screenshots out on the net anyways.

And besides, I think we all know what Vista is visually, so a screenshot is pointless.
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That was an interesting read. The fact that DX10 will be Vista only caught my eye as a gamer but until games start supporting it not a huge selling point.
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Crysis, a game by the developers of Far Cry, will be DX10 and I think that comes out early 2007.
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schwar wrote:

Erm, they must have changed it to a beta (which you might expect to be buggy) as Vista isn't out yet...
He's right. Vista isn't out, meaning anyone who has a beta copy will find some minor bugs.
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I don't know how It'll turn out this time. But I have a request...Can we please have it atleast 3/4s finished? Windows XP came out like 1/3 finished for crying out loud! wink


I hope it turns out good, they are always improving but different from Apple(which has nothing to do with this topic..well atleast not on the fifth page), they have a good motive from their prospective of just make it look cool and run good. Windows usually takes on a more proffesional look, which can get boring.
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Heh. Come on, I think it was at least more than half finished. razz

Read up on Solutions Center and installable "Solutions" in Vista. Basically, if there's a problem with a component of Vista, Vista will automatically figure out the problem and try to find some workarounds until the patch comes from MS.

So, even if it's not exactly 3/4 of the taco (all the filling, but weak crust to keep all the filling from seeping out), you can be sure that it will at least build a bomb shelter around itself in case of an emergency. wink

</horribleanalogy>

In terms of the professional look, I would say OS X has a somewhat professional look (maybe not the animations) as well. Vista is going to still maintain that level of professionality it has had over the years, and I'm glad the cool effects and the animations aren't detracting from this sophistication.
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I think it would be fun to make a Windows Media Center only an XBOX!

That would really suck though if your PC got a bluescreen and you lost over 100 hrs of gaming..

My dad works with windows for a living..He has little faith in ye. Besides, how much PC power would it take just to install it? Could you install it on say a 3 year old PC or does it have to be spankin' brand new?
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Except that bluescreens are dead. (or at least incredibly rare now, meaning you'd have to load completely faulty drivers to initiate a bluescreen)

smile
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mVPstar wrote:

Except that bluescreens are dead. (or at least incredibly rare now, meaning you'd have to load completely faulty drivers to initiate a bluescreen)

smile
Oh bluescreens are not rare for old sparky over hear. *Points to his pile of trash for a PC*
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Well, I meant in Vista they will be pretty much dead (the rarity of getting one being like 1%)

But even in XP, one shouldn't be getting really any BSODs. The only BSODs one can get is because of faulty hardware/drivers.

Malware can only fake a BSOD.
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Windows sucks, mac rulez. End of discussion
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Good point.
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hmmm Well that certainly is one way of looking at things...
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Macs are also no compatible with certain things.
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irishcult wrote:

Macs are also no compatible with certain things.
...So is Windows smile
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http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/08/switched-on-the-contractor-and-the-architect/

This guy says it nicely.
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Pooky wrote:

http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/08/switched-on-the-contractor-and-the-architect/

This guy says it nicely.
Seriously, Amen to that guy.
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I'm sorry I have to say this but in that article when you see the two desktops side-by-side... That Windows Vista dektop looks really lame compared to the Mac's...

Tarn wrote:

One thing that's different in this case is that with previous releases, you've always wanted to upgrade ASAP in the hope that it would actually work right.

With XP, however, they finally created a stable and friendly interface that actually does its job properly. So there's no real burning desire to change - and it does look like Vista is emphasising gimmicks far too much.

Transparency? Oooh! Turn the windows sideways in 3D? Ooooh!

All totally unnecessary.
I think tarn is right here, Microsoft is acting like they're releasing the XBOX 720 or something with their "ENHANCED GRAPHICAL CHANGES" sheesh.

Besides, I don't really know how it's giong to work but it seems when Windows tries something cool it usually ends up being "buggy" this may not be the case but that's what it seems like.
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swg33k wrote:

I'm sorry I have to say this but in that article when you see the two desktops side-by-side... That Windows Vista dektop looks really lame compared to the Mac's...
Actually I have to disagree with you on that one. IMO When you put them side by side Vista looks awesome and mac just looks like crap.
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Ditto, although did you read the article I posted?
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I read that article. It didn't really get anywhere.

Yeah, Vista does look pretty slick, but it really has a long way to go if its to be as utterly fastastic as Mac OSX.
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Webkroa Consulting wrote:

Windows sucks, mac rulez. End of discussion
OH NO!!!!!!!!! We've lost him doctor. He's fell to the Mac side sad
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er-no wrote:

I read that article. It didn't really get anywhere.

Yeah, Vista does look pretty slick, but it really has a long way to go if its to be as utterly fastastic as Mac OSX.
Well to summarize the article, he essentially says that Microsoft's position as industry evil makes no sence because their main priority is making their customers happy, while Apple tends to impose what it thinks is better onto its customers (no OS 9 backwards compatibility, front row instead of actual media center, etc etc).

Although yeah you're right, OS X is far, far more pretty than Vista but in those low res screenshots Vista somehow looks better.
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Pooky wrote:

er-no wrote:

I read that article. It didn't really get anywhere.

Yeah, Vista does look pretty slick, but it really has a long way to go if its to be as utterly fastastic as Mac OSX.
Well to summarize the article, he essentially says that Microsoft's position as industry evil makes no sence because their main priority is making their customers happy, while Apple tends to impose what it thinks is better onto its customers (no OS 9 backwards compatibility, etc etc).
Well to start with thats rubbish. The first two versions of Mac OSX (so for well over a year) you could run OS9 in classic mode - and have the backwards compatibility (I should know, I used it for a long time with several programs that wouldn't run in X).

Every company essentially wants to make their customers happy - or keep their customers happy, if they don't - they haven't got much of a business mould and won't succeed. Microsoft's position as evil was completely justified when they monopolised so much in the market, now I agree they seem to be changing face - which can only be a good thing. Yet there is no need to drag Mac into it as they are definetely the lesser of two evils here wink
Posted: Thu, 9th Mar 2006, 3:50pm

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Pooky wrote:

Well to summarize the article, he essentially says that Microsoft's position as industry evil makes no sence because their main priority is making their customers happy,
I'd say their main priority is to make money. If making customers happy is a side effect of that, then all the better.

while Apple tends to impose what it thinks is better onto its customers (no OS 9 backwards compatibility, front row instead of actual media center, etc etc).
You could also describe that as forward progress, while Microsoft are tied to the past in a desperate attempt to compromise and keep old fashioned people happy.

Depends how you look at it. smile
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Tarn wrote:

...while Microsoft are tied to the past in a desperate attempt to compromise and keep old fashioned people happy.
Yeah, one of their biggest struggles is trying to maintain support for older software, hardware and even drivers to keep customers happy, and yet still move the OS into the future.

Remember when Win 95 came out and MS announced that some DOS programs would not run under it? There was an uproar among some customers who had business-critical apps still written for DOS.

MS have debated this issue quite a bit, both internally and publicly. This article provides a good summary, although it's a bit dated now. But the section talking about Raymond Chen is a very worthwhile and interesting read.

EDIT:
Regarding a previous link I posted (last week I think it was), "Why Vista Won't Suck", the author has posted a follow-up piece that mainly discusses DRM.
Posted: Sun, 12th Mar 2006, 3:48pm

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Hendo wrote:

EDIT:
Regarding a previous link I posted (last week I think it was), "Why Vista Won't Suck", the author has posted a follow-up piece that mainly discusses DRM.
Good read. In the follow up they link to another article called Why Windows Vista will suck which is also a pretty good read as well. It’s pretty obvious that this guy is in love with Linux and Mac though and some of his arguments are pretty far fetched to say the least.

“You see, with SuperFetch you can a USB 2.0-based flash drive as a fetch buffer between your RAM and your hard disk. Let me spell that out for you. Vista will put part of your running application on a device that can be kicked off, knocked out, or that your dog can carry away as a chew toy. Do you see the problem here? Me too!”

He links to a blog from someone at MS with a little more info on DX10 that’s worth checking out. Still puts my Vista deployment at probably about 2 years I would guess.
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This topic sorta went dead... I have to say after reading that and him talking about this whole "slowness" problem, it sorta scared me. I mean if you can't run Vista on a horespowered PC like that then I don't even think Vista will work on my computer, which is a small step lower than the one he used to test Vista in the article.
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The recent Vista beta worked on this computer. I don't see any reason for it to not work on older computers (older meaning at least within the last decade).

Just Glass which wont work on really old machines well because you need at least somewhat of a good GFX card (though the guy in that article used a $100 Radeon 9550).