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a scanner darkly (comic book effect)

Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006, 6:42pm

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Hey not sure if anyones seen this. Although its trying to copy sin city i think its a new creative style

http://www.apple.com/trailers/warner_independent_pictures/ascannerdarkly/trailer2/

looks rather good even tho i dont understand the story much!
Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006, 6:48pm

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Yeah that effect looks cool. A bit like the game '13'. I think if u play with the edge detect sobel grading tool you can achieve a similar result.
Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006, 7:05pm

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Not trying to copy Sin City. The director Richard Linklater did an earlier film with similar effects, Waking Life, in 2001.
Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006, 7:17pm

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Wow! That's an effect I don't think I've seen before.. You guys think it's compleatly animated, or just shot usual with a powerfull filter? Looks like a cool movie anyway!

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Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006, 7:22pm

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Its a filter. U detect the edges, dilate them, then fill the inside with constant colour.

Grading tool on fxhome software include edge detect, dilation and posterise wink
Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006, 7:36pm

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Cool! Thanx JackPot, I'll try that right away! biggrin

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Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006, 7:48pm

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Cool, im having a go as well. I have found that if you use the image twice and use one as a displacement map you can get thicker edges. I would try using the edge detects on the displacement map image or something like that.

If you do something good dont forget to upload the preset!
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Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006, 7:49pm

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A Scanner Darkly was mentioned first on fxhome almost a year ago now. I was wondering where it had gotten to wink

It's looking like a very interesting film even if only in terms of visual style. I'll definetly be going to see it.

And... I don't really see how the effect is in any way copying Sin City, Sin City was a gritty film noir based off a very dark comic book whereas this is a totally different approach to a comic styling alltogether.

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Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006, 8:32pm

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And... I don't really see how the effect is in any way copying Sin City, Sin City was a gritty film noir based off a very dark comic book whereas this is a totally different approach to a comic styling alltogether
Agreed. This looks nothing like Sin City.
Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006, 8:37pm

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That movie looks great. But was it just me or was that trailer not deinterlaced? And I wouldn't even think film would be interlaced but it just seemed like that or something, maybe it was the compression but I dunno.
Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006, 10:41pm

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Scanner Darkly def. looks interesting. I first saw a teaser for it on the Constantine DVD. Been waiting to hear a release date.
Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006, 11:53pm

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sk8npirate wrote:

That movie looks great. But was it just me or was that trailer not deinterlaced? And I wouldn't even think film would be interlaced but it just seemed like that or something, maybe it was the compression but I dunno.
Or perhaps part of the visual effect, maybe...
Posted: Thu, 23rd Feb 2006, 1:20am

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I thought Waking Life was one of the most pretentious movies I have ever seen, but this one doesn't look like it's going to take itself too seriously, so I'll give it a chance
Posted: Thu, 23rd Feb 2006, 2:06am

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I’ve had a go at a preset in composite lab pro, not to sure if they will except it because its in two parts and you have to do a couple of other things to the layers.
Posted: Thu, 23rd Feb 2006, 2:45am

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Oily wrote:

I’ve had a go at a preset in composite lab pro, not to sure if they will except it because its in two parts and you have to do a couple of other things to the layers.
Let's see a sample video!smile
Posted: Thu, 23rd Feb 2006, 10:08am

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Doesn't look anything like Sin City to me. smile Completely different techniques.

And, no, they're not using filters, it's fully animated, but rotoed over the top of live action footage. It's far more complex than simply plonking a filter on live action - some much more interesting and complex things are going on if you look closely.
Posted: Thu, 23rd Feb 2006, 12:16pm

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Olly did you have to do one layer for the outline and one layer for the comic colours?

If it looks good you could probably upload as a two parter. Or write a mini tutorial for the rest of us to show how its done?

Tarn is right its not a filter, its rotoscoped. I rekon you can acheive a similar effect with minimal effort tho
Posted: Thu, 23rd Feb 2006, 12:32pm

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Both presets are now available in the Preset Library, good work!

Oily's part 1 filter is particularly cool for doing outlines.
Posted: Thu, 23rd Feb 2006, 12:37pm

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i meant it was like sin city because they are making the film look much like a cartoon, you know how hollywood bring out films that copy popular films a year before eg, the truman show (1998) ed tv (1999) and btw that preset is sweet!!!! could use the bottom layer for a aha take on me type video!!!

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Posted: Thu, 23rd Feb 2006, 12:40pm

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I see what you mean, but A Scanner Darkly is an evolution of the techniques developed for Waking Life, the film Linklater made several years ago.

Sin City, on the other hand, has its visual style entirely based in the Frank Miller artwork from the comics, which have been around for many years.

I think the timing is more to do with the technology only recently being available, thus opening up new creative opportunities for filmmakers, rather than an Armageddon/Deep Impact style scenario.
Posted: Thu, 23rd Feb 2006, 12:50pm

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I'm still a bit confused on the effect. So they shot it with cameras and everthing, then they rotoscoped the entire thing based on what they saw with the live actors????

Maybe someone could explain this to me a bit more cause it looks really cool!

Clinto
Posted: Thu, 23rd Feb 2006, 12:53pm

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They painted over the live action, basically. Like you do when you do a lightsaber effect. It's a technique that's been around for decades, but they've developed some special software that makes it more efficient and gives them many more options.
Posted: Thu, 23rd Feb 2006, 1:15pm

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That two part filter was great by olly. I had a play with it and got some cool comic style effects. If you want to make the lines around the shape thicker, add a dilate grade.

I read that they had 50 animators working on the images. Must be well time consuming. I hope its worth all that money.

There is a simlar effect in games which is called cel shading, which is a filter. So if anyone is developing totally annimated films in max or maya u could probably look into it if you want to produce comic effects



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cel-shaded_animation

http://www.fenriz.org/projects/maya/maya_toon_shading_ii.php

This picture is a scene in 3ds max rendered with cel shading
Posted: Thu, 23rd Feb 2006, 1:53pm

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the define colours look very much like when you have a gif file on a very low colour setting
Posted: Thu, 23rd Feb 2006, 2:00pm

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03ruby wrote:

i meant it was like sin city because they are making the film look much like a cartoon, you know how hollywood bring out films that copy popular films a year before eg, the truman show (1998) ed tv (1999) and btw that preset is sweet!!!! could use the bottom layer for a aha take on me type video!!!
Does that mean Sin City was copying Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

I think it's time you withdraw the copying Sin City way of thinking, it's full of holes. Hope that in time, we might forgive you. wink

-Hybrid.
Posted: Thu, 23rd Feb 2006, 3:44pm

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Tarn wrote:

They painted over the live action, basically. Like you do when you do a lightsaber effect. It's a technique that's been around for decades, but they've developed some special software that makes it more efficient and gives them many more options.
They are using this program. Sadly enough it's not for commercial sale.
Posted: Thu, 23rd Feb 2006, 9:20pm

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Hope my instructions were clear enough on the Scanner K Darkly Presets.
Posted: Sun, 26th Feb 2006, 12:14am

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cool looking movie. i watched the older one they made a few years back and it had a little feature that showed how they did it. basically the most time consuming thing i have ever seen. take each frame and draw over it using a wacom tablet sometimes blending a few frams but none the less super time consuming.
Posted: Sun, 26th Feb 2006, 1:12am

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Holy mother of god they rotoscoped a feature length film?
Posted: Sun, 26th Feb 2006, 2:07am

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Stoker wrote:

cool looking movie. i watched the older one they made a few years back and it had a little feature that showed how they did it. basically the most time consuming thing i have ever seen. take each frame and draw over it using a wacom tablet sometimes blending a few frams but none the less super time consuming.
They used a program called Rotoshop, as mentioned earlier. I think you'll find it's not a frame by frame wacom-job and rather a program aided bit of rotoscoping with a mix of grading filters and the like.
Posted: Sun, 26th Feb 2006, 10:06am

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Can't we all agree that any movie post-Sin City ripped it off? That's all I'm saying.
Posted: Wed, 1st Mar 2006, 12:06am

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sk8npirate wrote:

Holy mother of god they rotoscoped a feature length film?
It's not impossible. I saw an entirely drawn movie on my VHS player back home. That was about two hours.... wink

Granted, it would take a lot longer than a regular feature, but I suspect there were savings they could make in the shooting, and savings they could make in the animation (it's not like they had to design new cartoon characters from scratch, and the movie setups would probably have been easy - high key and don't worry about the backgrounds)

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Waser wrote:

Can't we all agree that any movie post-Sin City ripped it off? That's all I'm saying.
No. No we can't.
Posted: Fri, 3rd Mar 2006, 10:14pm

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can anybody make a clip with the 2 presets, i would like to see how they look in motion, but i dont have VisionLab sad