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Awesome new 9/11 online documentary

Posted: Tue, 28th Mar 2006, 5:36pm

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i know there have been a lot of these movies made and that most people are tired of them bust i really think people should see this movie. It has a lot of good things in it and really brings out some good points. Its a feature length about an hour fifteen long but its worth it trust me. anyway here goes

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848
Posted: Tue, 28th Mar 2006, 6:27pm

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I've seen this before, as in I watched the whole thing. All I can say is I KNEW IT WAS THE GOVERNMENT! I KN33333W!

In all seriousness, it's sort of an interesting documentary, but I seriously doubt the government planned 9/11.

All I can say, and I all I have really said is that our government isn't behind the terrorist attacks, but they sure did have a good time with them.
Posted: Tue, 28th Mar 2006, 6:49pm

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Did they think to have them? No.

Did they know about them before hand? Yes

Did they plan for them? Yes

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Its no secret Bush was told, although he denis it, everyone else in his cabnet says they knew...

But hey why stop something happening when you can use it to your advantege aye.
Posted: Tue, 28th Mar 2006, 7:47pm

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I did see it! This guy ask good question but this is not a documentary more a video of opiion. The guys use a lot of citation in is video (more than 80%) but without giving the context of them. You can make everyone say everything in this case! So watch your self when you listen to it.

The pentagonethnig is very interesting...Not a plane crash site.. hummm...

My theory? I am canadian and i don't love the bush gov but i can't thnik of a gtov who will do this on his people... I am too sft? Maybe! So i think, maybe, two plane crash on the towers but thetwo other incident was not plane ... maybe missile? That will explain the dommage on the pentagone. Why the governement will covert up this? Because it will make a mass panic to know someone have been able to smuggle missile on US soil and fire them on the US target.

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Posted: Tue, 28th Mar 2006, 10:02pm

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Sounds like an episode of 24 to me.

One side of me is saying that, in any case, if you keep digging you will find speculative information.

On the other hand, I also find it strange how the US government decline to share and investigate information. Pretty much every engineer/structural specialist and I've queried have all ruled the collapse of both towers impossible. It is severely unlikely that they would collapse in this way, but for both towers to collapse in exactly the same fashion – that really is impossible.
Posted: Tue, 28th Mar 2006, 11:49pm

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I remember this - apparently the explosions on each floor as the towers fell were gov't bombs... not the weight of a building collapsing on them... makes sense to me.
Posted: Wed, 29th Mar 2006, 4:08pm

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That is one of the worst things i have ever seen. Trash is what this video is. Where are the credentials?
Posted: Wed, 29th Mar 2006, 4:17pm

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A lot of what this film stated as "fact" was far from it but it was still interesting. Its a great shame it was so poorly presented - as biased as the very people they are trying to expose. It lost a lot of credibility because of this.

I'm don't think this video is the truth but I also don't think most of the stuff we've been told by officials is anywhere near the truth either. Everything seems so covered up - we'll probably never know.

I remember on the week this all happened everyone on FXhome chat was saying "that Pentagon live footage doesn't look like a plane hit it at all". To this day I don't think it was a plane, at least not the kind we were told about.
Posted: Wed, 29th Mar 2006, 9:05pm

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Yeah the overall picture makes no sence, but some of the smaller stuff is rather creepy (like the explosions as the building is crumbling or the pentagon plane thing).
Posted: Wed, 29th Mar 2006, 11:29pm

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Pooky wrote:

(like the explosions as the building is crumbling or the pentagon plane thing).
You're kidding me right... The whole "explosions on each floor as the building is falling" is the stupidest piece of "evidence" I've ever seen. Could those be... I don't know, the weight of the entire rest of the hunrded + story building falling onto that single floor, and the force of that crushing everything on that floor to explode outward...? Thats when the movie lost credibility to me.
Posted: Wed, 29th Mar 2006, 11:46pm

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Evman wrote:

Pooky wrote:

(like the explosions as the building is crumbling or the pentagon plane thing).
You're kidding me right... The whole "explosions on each floor as the building is falling" is the stupidest piece of "evidence" I've ever seen. Could those be... I don't know, the weight of the entire rest of the hunrded + story building falling onto that single floor, and the force of that crushing everything on that floor to explode outward...? Thats when the movie lost credibility to me.
Yeah I have heard of plenty of people saying "the government had charges rigged on each floor and you can clearly see each charge exploding". Hmm or you know floors giving out and the damn building falling on itself.
Posted: Thu, 30th Mar 2006, 5:52pm

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A building would NEVER fall straight down like that unless it was under controlled demolition.

What's worse is that both buildings fell down in exactly the same manner.
Posted: Thu, 30th Mar 2006, 6:05pm

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If it was from the building crushing down on the still standing structure then I find it odd that only a few places had explosive bursts and that in some cases they were quite a way from the area which was being crushed.

Sure it could be from the massive weight crashing down, but then why didn't all the windows on these levels just smash out? The weight could have easily done this and, I would think (due to the building coming down so straight), it would have been an even weight over the entire floor therefore smashing most of the windows, not just a few in a localised area.
Posted: Thu, 30th Mar 2006, 6:35pm

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Posted: Thu, 30th Mar 2006, 9:13pm

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http://www.911research.com/wtc/evidence/videos/docs/squibs_and_streamers.mov

Doesn't look like collapsing levels to me. You can clearly see that there are two small collumns of dust that pop out at the very same time on the same level, but that no windows smash. If it were some sort of impact from the center of the building collapsing, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have been so uniform.

Anway, the official story is that the shockwave from the explosions blew off the fire protecting foam from the center pillars, thus allowing the fire to melt them enough to weaken the entire structure from the inside out, which is proven by the fact that the radio tower on the North tower starts to fall slightly before the rest of the building.
Posted: Thu, 30th Mar 2006, 9:15pm

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http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm
Posted: Thu, 30th Mar 2006, 9:48pm

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Erm, why post that twice? Seems just as biased as everything else.
Posted: Thu, 30th Mar 2006, 10:19pm

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Sorry, accidental double post. How can it be biased when it had pictures to back up what it was saying?
Posted: Thu, 30th Mar 2006, 10:35pm

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Well, while I do think the government is stupid and corrupt, I don't think anyone could be THAT stupid and corrupt.

Why would bombs be going off while the building itself is falling? That was in none of the demolition videos the documentary showed. If the building was already collapsing at that speed, there would be no need for secondary bombs to be set off... if this was some sort of conspiracy. My thinking is the actual center of the buildings started to collapse before the outside did, for whatever reason. Either that or its something flammable catching fire and exploding.

The evidence is convincing, and I'm usually into this conspiracy stuff, but I simply find it impossible to believe that the US gov't, no matter how corrupt it may be, planned this for their own purposes.
Posted: Fri, 31st Mar 2006, 12:31am

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Hey people,

This is my first post but I'm really into politics so I thought I'd add my two cents... If you ask me anyone who thinks the Government planned it is rather mislead and naive... After all, you think Osama Bin Laden issues those statements saying he planned it just to support Bush's claim? Or what about all the other evidence of the people involved? I admit the Pentagon is odd...but there could be a reason... it could have as some one said been a face saving thing. People will be willing to believe anything. And for the person that said that there are pictures...well I'm not saying they are but please, be a little more sceptical...surely your work doing special effects has taught you a thing or two about image manipulation... That's all I have to say!

Regards,
Yash
Posted: Sun, 2nd Apr 2006, 9:49am

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The narrator's voice sounds like Spiderman...
Posted: Sun, 2nd Apr 2006, 3:12pm

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The government knew about the attacks before-hand; that's a fact.

Seems rather silly to suggests that the government is actually behind them though, all things considered. Especially when the supporting "evidence" is of a level that a fourth grader could've faked.
Posted: Sat, 29th Apr 2006, 9:16pm

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I always find it interesting how everyone is UTTERLY convinced that the U.S goverment is just too good for something like this. They would NEVER do anything so disturbing and terrible. However, Every goverment in the history of man has been corrupt to a certain extent, so what makes Ours so bulletproof? we have the most powerful goverment in the word and..."Absolute power corrupts Absolutely". It wouldn't surprise me in the least if it was our goverment. Nothing you can do about it, but it is Very frustrating.
Posted: Sat, 29th Apr 2006, 9:34pm

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I've been thinking about it allot lately and here's what I have to say now.

I recently saw Loose Change in theaters (they actually got it to play here for one night, and it was free), and after thinking about it, I really like it. Do I believe it all, or think the government literally planned 9/11? No. But the film raises allot of really good question, and I think it's just as silly to say "THERE IS NO FUNKING WAY THE GOVERNMENT PLANNED IT AT ALL RAR" as "THERE IS NO WAY THEY DIDN'T DO IT! ALL THE FAX MAN!" I'm just happy someone is asking questions despite the fact how here anyone who even asks them is a loon.
Posted: Sat, 29th Apr 2006, 10:42pm

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Evman wrote:

Why would bombs be going off while the building itself is falling? That was in none of the demolition videos the documentary showed. If the building was already collapsing at that speed, there would be no need for secondary bombs to be set off... if this was some sort of conspiracy. My thinking is the actual center of the buildings started to collapse before the outside did, for whatever reason. Either that or its something flammable catching fire and exploding.
The point was that the extra explosions made the building fall straight down. Sure, once the building started to go it might have fallen down with no additional explosions, but it could have fallen away to the side at any point. This would have caused to to damage a far larger area.

I've read several reports saying that it seems really odd that both building fell straight down as they both had major damage more on one side than the other. This would make you think that, as the most damaged bits gave way, the building would tip and fall to that side and not just drop straight down upon itself.

I have no idea if a government had anything to do with all this. I wouldn't ever say I was sure either way as historically there are many cases where governments/leaders have done strange things to get what they want or need and we only ever seem to find out tens of years later (if we are lucky).
Posted: Sun, 30th Apr 2006, 12:48am

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Bryce007 wrote:

I always find it interesting how everyone is UTTERLY convinced that the U.S goverment is just too good for something like this. They would NEVER do anything so disturbing and terrible. However, Every goverment in the history of man has been corrupt to a certain extent, so what makes Ours so bulletproof? we have the most powerful goverment in the word and..."Absolute power corrupts Absolutely". It wouldn't surprise me in the least if it was our goverment. Nothing you can do about it, but it is Very frustrating.
If they did do it, they've got balls. The consequences if the public ever found out would be unbelievable. I don't think they'd take the risk. I'm not saying their not corrupt, of course they are, you're right, almost all governments ever have been, but there is a line that I don't think anyone would cross, and this is it.

And I actually agree with Waser on this one. Basically everything you said in that last post makes sense.
Posted: Sun, 30th Apr 2006, 1:14am

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I'm not saying their not corrupt, of course they are, you're right, almost all governments ever have been, but there is a line that I don't think anyone would cross, and this is it.
I imagine many citizens of Nazi-era Germany thought the same about their government...

Cheers,
Arktic

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Posted: Sun, 30th Apr 2006, 1:19am

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Arktic wrote:

I'm not saying their not corrupt, of course they are, you're right, almost all governments ever have been, but there is a line that I don't think anyone would cross, and this is it.
I imagine many citizens of Nazi-era Germany thought the same about their government...

Cheers,
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PS - Godwin can get lost razz
True, but in our modern age of American education and common sense I think that... oh wait.. nevermind... you're right.

unsure
Posted: Sun, 30th Apr 2006, 2:43am

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Don't forget that it was speculated that FDR knew of Pearl Harbor and that he used the atomic bombs simply as a means to show the Soviets who they were dealing with. Not to mention he put innocent citizens into internment camps.
Posted: Sun, 30th Apr 2006, 8:02am

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Evman wrote:

"The consequences if the public ever found out would be unbelievable. I don't think they'd take the risk."

"... there is a line that I don't think anyone would cross, and this is it."

There really aren't any consequences for a goverment as "Supposedly moral" as ours, because nobody finds out. Period. It's well known that information such as that could not possibly leak out with any sort of "Legitimacy", because the Gov Knows quite well its sounds so absurd, no one is going to take it seriously. So honestly, They aren't risking much..


And As far as crossing lines goes, Once you surpass a certain extent of power, Those lines shrink signifigantly. I'm sure even more so when your the head of the most powerful goverment in existence, running the richest and most powerful country in the world..and you ALSO happen to have citizens that aren't interested in causing turmoil by questioning your practices.
Posted: Sun, 30th Apr 2006, 8:24pm

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This will always remain a mistery...just like the JFK assasination.
There is something very wicked happening in this world eek
Posted: Sun, 30th Apr 2006, 10:22pm

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I haven't watched the documentary (I might watch it if I get the time) and I don't really feel like getting into a huge debate (I probably wouldn't be able to keep up with one anyway) but I thought I should chime in on a few things here.

Bryce007 wrote:

There really aren't any consequences for a goverment as "Supposedly moral" as ours, because nobody finds out. Period. It's well known that information such as that could not possibly leak out with any sort of "Legitimacy", because the Gov Knows quite well its sounds so absurd, no one is going to take it seriously. So honestly, They aren't risking much..
Well everyone in America is so anti-Bush that if (and I say if) the government were responsible and the truth about that leaked out it would most likely be catastrophic for Bush.

Bryce007 wrote:

And As far as crossing lines goes, Once you surpass a certain extent of power, Those lines shrink signifigantly. I'm sure even more so when your the head of the most powerful goverment in existence, running the richest and most powerful country in the world..and you ALSO happen to have citizens that aren't interested in causing turmoil by questioning your practices.
My feelings on this is that people are always going to criticize their leaders. It doesn't matter who's in power, if things aren't done that someone thinks should be done they'll start pointing fingers and say that the person in power is not doing his or her job. It's kind of like sports: if your team isn't playing well, fingers are going to be pointed at the coaching staff and the management. That's just the way things are in the sports world and I think the same general thing can be seen in governments.

So again, not to start a debate these are just my thoughts.