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Pimp Party

Posted: Sun, 9th Apr 2006, 4:07am

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Hey guys! The Freakz Flickz Filmz Crew have been working on a project for the last 2 weeks or so. The ending result is this smile
Pimp Party
I hope you guys like it (I still need to find a good site to host videos at... unsure
Let me know what you think smile
Posted: Sun, 9th Apr 2006, 6:13am

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I really didn't like this at all because it had SO MANY errors that could've been so easily avoided. I commend you for spending so long on and sticking with a project, but I strongly dislike this movie in most technical aspects. Let me break this down, hopefully you'll lerarn from this.

Framing

Bad, simply bad. The Handycam effect would've worked well if it had been smoother, and if you'd followed the Rule of Thirds.

The shakiness of the camera, especially in the first minute or so, was unacceptably horrid. Perhaps either learn to have a steadier hand, or consider using a tripod. I myself am a big advocate of handheld use, but not in this way.

Also, stay away completely from zooms. Unless you can either perfectly or closely match the comedic timing of zooms in a manner similar to how they are done on The Office, don't even bother using zooms, they just come off as intensely amateurish and annoying.

Editing

The pop-on titles were used well to aesthetic effect, but as far as editing goes, there really was none. If more camera angles were cut between, this could've been leagues better. The virtually nonexistent editing made for a bad movie. From the way you've edited your stuff (I've been to your site and seen other things you've done) it seems less like you're trying to make a movie, and more like you're just there to record a practical joke of some sort. Think about what the focus of a scene is, and edit to present it prominently.

Story

It's little kids pretending to be pimps at a party. Pretty ludicrous, wouldn't you say? Not much more to be said here.

Direction

Again, weak. Ill-advised dialogue and not enough takes lead to a bad acting experience. Even if actors aren't the greatest- they
re probably your friends and/or siblings- direct them as best you can, it'll ultimately make for a better movie.

The Final Verdict

Thoguh you have an extremely long way to go, I believe you can get there if you just heed my criticisms and look at that site I linked to, talking about the rule of thirds.

Good luck on future projects.
Posted: Sun, 9th Apr 2006, 7:59am

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ahhah, it looks like u guys had a lot of fun filming this..

"get her a drink, i wanna make love to her tonight" haha, that made me laugh a bit.

Sometimes it's funner to understand the importance of fun in film. haha. so in any case, i pass no judgement on this movie when it comes to technical BS, considering, those who follow those "rules" are only doing just that,(rather than creating a name for themselves...everyones a critic) haha following something they could try to make there own.

but if i were to pass judgement on technical crap, my only suggestion, get a tripod. otherwise glad u guys had fun. and i want the pimp mastah xD
Posted: Sun, 9th Apr 2006, 4:53pm

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For hosting you can use ourmedia (free).

http://www.ourmedia.org
Posted: Sun, 9th Apr 2006, 5:05pm

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Rating: +3

It's little kids pretending to be pimps at a party. Pretty ludicrous, wouldn't you say? Not much more to be said here.
No more ludicrous than little kids being black ops covert operatives.
Posted: Sun, 9th Apr 2006, 6:12pm

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Well, I'm glad some of you liked it. Unlike most filmmakers, we don't have scripts. We are mainly Improv. We get a basic storyline and put together what we have in our minds. And as FlyByNight said, we had A LOT of fun making it smile That's what we mainly want. If it turns out weird, so be it. Several fans say it's our best yet. I will take the ideas into consideration Ben, and good luck on Splinter Cell (I hope it turns out as good as the games). As for actors, I just let Zimmie go wild. He has plenty of great ideas that come out great to fans smile
Thanx for the comments smile
EDIT: And nice burn there Xcession wink
Posted: Sun, 9th Apr 2006, 8:42pm

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Xcession wrote:

It's little kids pretending to be pimps at a party. Pretty ludicrous, wouldn't you say? Not much more to be said here.
No more ludicrous than little kids being black ops covert operatives.
I don't think I know many 26 year olds who take the time or effort to make a 17 year feel stupid or inadequate about something. Sad Xcession, sad.
Posted: Mon, 10th Apr 2006, 5:26am

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I actually enjoyed this quite a bit. Maybe more than I should have. I actually loved how extremely unprofessional this is. It adds alot of charm. The backyard sets were used quite well. Also, I loved the set of characters you chose, they could have been refined though. overall, I really liked this, for the next one, neaten it up a bit but not too much.
Posted: Mon, 10th Apr 2006, 6:26am

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Xcession wrote:

It's little kids pretending to be pimps at a party. Pretty ludicrous, wouldn't you say? Not much more to be said here.
No more ludicrous than little kids being black ops covert operatives.
*Redhawksrymmer feels guilty

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Posted: Mon, 10th Apr 2006, 9:05am

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I don't think I know many 26 year olds who take the time or effort to make a 17 year feel stupid or inadequate about something. Sad Xcession, sad
Sadly i know many teenagers who, when intimidated by age, will pull the Immature For Your Age Card in an attempt to also belittle their attacker. Rather hyprocritical don't you think?

(Either that, or they'll scramble for the nearest High Horse, even though the strategy is transparent. This usually involves trotting out the old nag called "Argueing On The Internet Is For Saddos")

Steering this thread back on topic, the reason i mentioned it was because i brought up the very same point 2 months ago in Ben's own thread about his movie. We discussed it pleasantly, everything was nice. The flagrant hypocricy of his comments in this thread, was therefore too much to leave un-addressed.

Ta.

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Posted: Mon, 10th Apr 2006, 1:09pm

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There's nothing hypocritical about what I said. 12 or 13 year olds wearing wigs and masks, pretending to be pimps, is very ludicrous. I'm saying they either should've tried to make the story adhere better to what they were capable of, or just plain throw the "pimp party" idea out. Nowhere did I say we weren't all guilty of doing the same thing, I just found this subject matter in particular, especially in the context in which it was presented (shoddy technical aspects) to be extremely ludicrous.

But maybe I didn't come off that way.
Posted: Mon, 10th Apr 2006, 6:15pm

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I'll be honest... I thought this movie was terrible. I felt bad after watching it, thought I caught this thread at zero replies, I didn't want to be the first person to slam this film. I think Ben pretty much summed up what needed to be changed about it.

pcremag wrote:

Well, I'm glad some of you liked it. Unlike most filmmakers, we don't have scripts. We are mainly Improv. We get a basic storyline and put together what we have in our minds.
That may have been the problem. I don't use scripts either (in all fairness, I've never made a movie that I feel would require one), but there is some organized methodology to the manner in which my friends and I carry out action, dialogue, and anything else.
Posted: Mon, 10th Apr 2006, 6:25pm

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ben3308 wrote:

I'm saying they either should've tried to make the story adhere better to what they were capable of
When is that black ops movie coming out then?

Xcession's point is entirely valid, I do agree that 12 year olds dressed up as pimps is ridiculous though I have a strong feeling that it may have been intentionally so. I burst out laughing when I read Xcession's post, why? Because it's true. Film is often fictional story-telling. Who's to say 12 year olds can't be pimps? It's his story afterall.

The film is by no means a masterpiece, Infact it's awful. But on the plus side It's nice to see someone who doesn't take themselves too seriously. Ben - good luck with the operation.

-Hybrid.
Posted: Mon, 10th Apr 2006, 9:20pm

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I should clear this up. Our movies aren't meant to be professional quality. We're a buncha 14 year olds (NOT 12 and/or 13!!!) just havin' some fun smile
I'm glad some people liked it, and I have taken the criticisms into consideration smile
Posted: Mon, 10th Apr 2006, 9:39pm

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pcremag wrote:


Let me know what you think smile
Sorry, I hated it.

I couldn't work out what you were trying to do, but as far as I could see, based on just this film, Freakz Flickz Filmz is just one person (the guy in the frilly witch hat) who thinks he's hilarious, and everyone else just turns up to join in and film him.

It looks like it was lots more fun to make than it is to watch, like wedding videos are.

Don't worry about my comments, though. I'm probably too old to get it.
Posted: Mon, 10th Apr 2006, 9:45pm

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It's great that you have fun doing this (it's the most important part, after all, unless filmmaking is what you want to do as a full time job later) but as it is now you can't really call this a movie. It's a guy filming two people talking and doing their best to be funny.

For it to be a movie, you need to have the elements that a movie requires, such as editing, or cinematography. Nonetheless, the time spent making this must have been more fun that the praise it would have gotten had you put any big effort into it, so as it stands... well, it's good that you had fun, but I didn't really enjoy watching it.

Hopefully that didn't sound *too* harsh. I'm sure you could make a movie if you actually wanted to surprised
Posted: Mon, 10th Apr 2006, 9:46pm

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Edited due to the ridiculasnes (?) of online flame/arguing.
Posted: Mon, 10th Apr 2006, 11:15pm

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Okay then...
Posted: Tue, 11th Apr 2006, 2:54am

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Hybrid-Halo wrote:

Xcession's point is entirely valid, I do agree that 12 year olds dressed up as pimps is ridiculous though I have a strong feeling that it may have been intentionally so. I burst out laughing when I read Xcession's post, why? Because it's true. Film is often fictional story-telling. Who's to say 12 year olds can't be pimps? It's his story afterall.
I get your point, but I think you're missing mine. Filmmaking is- in most cases- FICTIONAL storytelling, and films that are in any way unrealistic cross a point where there is a suspension of reality. Some people have a large suspension limit, some have a small limit. For instance, how many people can take Godzilla seriously enough to watch a whole movie about him? Or King Kong, for that matter? I, personally, can. But if you stretch that suspension of reality far enough, it's believability will wear thin.

My point is, that in this movie, that limit was far past the point it should've been to take the movie seriously- not too seriously, just "regular" seriously. It was ludicrous, and for the most part, unecessarily so. I believe my initial statement towards the movie was that I didn't like it because so many things weren't done that could've been. In this instance, that statement is applicable. This movie could've been less ludicrous if they'd tried.

Now as for my movie, and me apparently taking myself too seriously, I'm not. I'm just trying to comment on the movie, as were pcremag's instructions. But if someone wants to burn on me for telling the truth about something- and trying to be helpful in doing so, mind you- then I find that offhandedly unecessary and uncalled for. No, I'm not taking myself too seriously, I just think some seriousness is needed to retain a leveled suspension of reality.

I think as pcremag moves on to bigger and better things in his film career, he'll find it is that same level of seriousness that can make or break a movie's completion. If you mess around while making a movie, it'll either be bad or won't get done, at least that's how it is when I make movies.

Oh well, so much for trying leave a constructive, helpful commentary on the movie without repercussions.
Posted: Tue, 11th Apr 2006, 2:34pm

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I was agreeing with Xcession's point simply because the contrast between Pimp Party and Splinter Cell is so extreme, yet you're giving pcremag advice which would be more suited for something which was intended to be taken seriously. Plenty of your advice was spot on, then again so was Xcession's point.

Pimp Party/Splinter Cell - We all notice it's kids in the roles, I just think we roll with it. Regardless of how many attempts there are at suspending reality. This is an amateur film-making site afterall.
Posted: Tue, 11th Apr 2006, 3:20pm

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Good point.

Oh, my comments, ah. This "movie" was horrid. Little kids (there's really no difference between 13 and 14, btw. I was that age not too long ago, so I know. smile) thinking they are hilarious is........well..........plain embarassing to watch. I felt sorry for you just watching it. And, as I've taken time to see some of your other stuff, realize that's the case with most of it. My thoughts. I'm glad you had fun with it, it looks like you did, and that's a big part of amateur filmmaking. Keep working, and try to read up in some books on cinematography or editing, and just persevere, I'm sure you'll get somewhere.
Posted: Tue, 11th Apr 2006, 3:55pm

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I'll be honest, I gave up on this half way through. The interlacing and compression were so horrible it didn't seem worth persevering. There's really no excuse not to de-interlace in this day and age. It's been covered enough on this board and others.

Content wise, I think maybe private jokes between friends should be kept private....

As for kids playing adults, it works if it's not taken seriously; It didn't do Bugsy Malone any harm.
Posted: Tue, 11th Apr 2006, 5:06pm

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I think you people are taking this film made by 14 year olds in their backyard way too seriously. That is the sad part. Why don't you people learn to stop taking films for what they are off the screen and pay more attention to what you are seeing.
Posted: Tue, 11th Apr 2006, 6:05pm

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Why don't you people learn to stop taking films for what they are off the screen and pay more attention to what you are seeing.
Well thats easy. Its because what they're seeing on-screen is impossible to marry with what it appears they're intended to believe, as written in the script by the film-maker, off-screen.

The 14yos you refer to explicity requested these peoples' opinions, so If the film's content is critically flawed, it would be wrong to not comment on it. I really thought this would have been obvious