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Wall Run Effect?

Posted: Sun, 16th Apr 2006, 1:51am

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Hey!

Is there any way to fake the effect of someone running up/across a wall and doing a flip? As most of us are without the aid of wires, can you fake this with greenscreen or something?
Posted: Sun, 16th Apr 2006, 7:27am

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U realy don'tneed wires. Runing up a wall and flipingis easier then fliping of the ground causeyou gain hight. Try it on a mat to protect yourself and ull seeit'seasy. To fakeit willlook fake. But i think film you self runing up the wall then drop your body on the mat regularly. then film another shout with ur feet about to hit the floor( just jump regularly and film the feet hiting the floor). and thats done. such effects were done in austin powers but it looks fake and in that movie it was usedfor comedy lol. But try it ither way.
Posted: Sun, 16th Apr 2006, 10:48am

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errr, safety, someones gonna break there neck, unless done professioanlly, i really wouldnt attemp anything unless you have very powerfull muscles, to run and to a flp off a wall requirs alot of jumpiong strength to make sure you dont land badly

be very carefull when doing these type of moves

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Posted: Sun, 16th Apr 2006, 1:36pm

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I would say try running on the floor and bending so it looks like u are running along a wall then get a camera and turn it to it's side and dress the floor to look like a wall and just practise
Posted: Sun, 16th Apr 2006, 9:23pm

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http://www.club540.com/tutorial601.html
Posted: Tue, 18th Apr 2006, 10:04pm

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premier and after effects allow you to rotate a layer. use 2 layers. 1 runnugn infront of a blue screen, the other the bg. compost the layers and use the filter to rotate the blue-screened acto 90 degrees.
Posted: Mon, 29th May 2006, 2:40am

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dude! someone just posted this question on the first page!
Anyways, run on the ground like ur on a wall. jump in the air and get in the position like ur doing a flip and rotate and put a mask over the shot.
Posted: Mon, 29th May 2006, 5:05am

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Your best bet would be to just learn to do it. I personally learned the wallflip in 4 days of messing around at my high schools Gymnasium. I grabbed a crashmat and read a tutorial much liek the one that someone posted above.
Posted: Mon, 29th May 2006, 5:26am

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but u need "muscles" for that lol, im sry smb


i have mastered the wall flip and use it in my matrix films.....awsome, u have to be willing to ask urself how much u are willing to give for film.
Posted: Mon, 29th May 2006, 5:52am

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my 5'4" completely non-athletic friend mastered it with me. . . i would have to argue the "have to have muscles". Its 99% mental, 1% physical. It definately adds some flare to a fight scene, especially when done with an enemy behind you chasing you into the wall, or if you perform it off another persons chest (both of which are easily accomplished)
Posted: Mon, 29th May 2006, 7:34am

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very true
Posted: Mon, 29th May 2006, 2:33pm

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step 1: run agaist the wall
step 2:cut before you fall
step 3:lie down and film your feet running against the wall
step 4:film yourself landing
Posted: Mon, 29th May 2006, 3:53pm

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make sure to run at the same speed when you lie down, ive seen a lot of this effect and it is ruined when the speed of the initial run and its finish are a lot slower than the middle "wall run" portion. i am a professional runner and know the importance of footwork.

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Posted: Mon, 29th May 2006, 4:56pm

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ProFilms17 wrote:

my 5'4" completely non-athletic friend mastered it with me. . . i would have to argue the "have to have muscles". Its 99% mental, 1% physical.
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what if you are in a wheel chair like a friend of mine. i cant just tell him that and expect him to do it. that was an extreme example but you cannot just make a statement like that. ive done the math, its about 44.7% mental and 53.2% physical and 2.1% of what i call the "X" factor. i wont go into details on that.
Im pretty sure you can find another forum for sarcasm. . . . we're actually trying to help each other in this thread.
Posted: Tue, 30th May 2006, 1:18am

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the back flip is a very dangerous movie, iv hurt myself very badly while mastering it
Posted: Tue, 30th May 2006, 4:47am

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give this a try. very simple, very effective. alright, you stand on a roof and attach a bungee cord to a harness that you are wearing. next, walk over the edge of the roof and run down the wall. this will work only if you run fast enough and if there is someone giving you more of the bungee cord at a steady pace while keeping it slightly taut at the same time. should work the same way if you want to run up the wall. give that a try and tell me its not awesome.

cheerio
Posted: Tue, 30th May 2006, 6:21am

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In addittion to what ProFilms said, you should also go into your kitchen pantry, find some iodine, and drink the whole bottle. Very simple, very effective....

way to die.

Don't try the bungee idea, there's far too much risk involved for it to be even remotely safe.
Posted: Tue, 30th May 2006, 12:15pm

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once again we're trying to help each other
Posted: Tue, 30th May 2006, 3:25pm

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I know, and suggesting someone strap a bungee cord to themselves and run off the roof of their house is NOT a good way to help.

Safety: first and foremost. We don't want anyone to break their neck.
Posted: Tue, 30th May 2006, 8:23pm

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Profilms, you should specify what pound test pungee chord that you plan to use, this sounds dangerous.....i dont like the looks of it.


I would not post things that dangerous on these forums, people will actually try them for film.




safety....always



-the new godfather



> And you said that you are a "pro runner" which team do you race for?
Posted: Tue, 30th May 2006, 10:08pm

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You should never do something so stupid. That's like flying to a foreign country and letting some Swiss director get you blown backwards by a ball of flame...

Seriously though, please nobody try what Profilms posted.
Posted: Tue, 30th May 2006, 10:17pm

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yeah that is a dangerous thing to do im sory about what i said before
Posted: Tue, 30th May 2006, 10:31pm

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Please note: this is NOT a backflip, it is a WALLFLIP. Very different. I still to this day cannot do a backflip, it is much more difficult than a wallflip. I have wallflipped off every surface from drywall to brick, to my friends chest and fallen a total of 1 time (when i was learning). Thats what a crashmat is for.

Unfortunately, the article that I oringally read to learn is nowhere to be found. If you are serious about learning it, I wouldnt mind writing a detailed step-by-step how-to. Let me know.
Posted: Tue, 30th May 2006, 10:55pm

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Swiss directors are crazy like that.

and Safety first=limiting yourself. Just know when too much risk is too much.
Posted: Tue, 30th May 2006, 11:01pm

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Very true Bryce. Good to hear from you again.
Posted: Wed, 31st May 2006, 3:22am

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hmm. i guess i never thought of it like that. ive been pretty lucky so far with my stunts. so...safety first, unless you are feeling lucky. so its a judgement call if you want to attempt it. 40% of the time, it works every time.

just take a look at some of my stunts. they may seem dangerous but we took all the necessary precautions.
http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/view?&h=105&w=140&type=realmedia&rurl=www.cbsnews.com%2Fsections%2Fi_video%2FyahooVideo_frameset.html&vurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbsnews.com%2Fsections%2Fi_video%2Fmain500251.shtml%3Fchannel%3Di_video%26clip%3D%2Fmedia%2F2005%2F07%2F14%2Fvideo709182.rm%26sec%3D500251%26vidId%3D500251%26title%3DA%24%40%24student%24%40%24filmed%24%40%24his%24%40%24wild%24%40%24dangerous%24%40%24and%24%40%24illegal%24%40%24driving%24%40%24stunts%24%40%2471405%26hitboxMLC%3Di_video&back=p%3Ddangerous%2Bdriving%26ei%3DUTF-8%26fr%3DFP-tab-web-t400%26cv%3Dg%26x%3Dwrt&turl=scd.mm-da.yimg.com%2Fimage%2F1608664766&name=A+student+filmed+his+wild%2C+dangerous+and+illegal+driving+stunts...&no=1&tt=163&p=dangerous+driving&oid=4e9600fc9c5c73bc&size=8.9MB&dur=93&src=p&pld=800x720
Posted: Wed, 31st May 2006, 3:33am

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ya... that wasnt me. but wow. they are heroes to the film industry. if its for film, its worth it. i guess thats all im trying to say, if you really get down to it. anyway, profilms is ready to contribute. like i said, the speed that the feet move is integral. what kind of location are you filming this at?
Posted: Wed, 31st May 2006, 11:04am

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where would if find this detailed step by step guide?
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 6:54pm

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http://www.club540.com/tutorial601-1.html

This one is pretty good. I read it through, and it is not the exact one that I have used, but it is close enough. Please read my pointers below, in addition to the tutorial.

1) this is 99% mental, I cant tell you how many times i ran up and started to to it, but bailed right before flipping and just landed on my feet. finally, me and my friend came up with a little saying that we still use to this day. . . JFDI. (Just F&#king do it). That is the mentality to have, and when i finally let go and went for it, i nailed it from the on.

2) make sure the wall your doing it on is sturdy, ive kicked holes in 2 walls, and have been half buried in a third because i started to do a wallflip without testing the wall first, lol.

3) I reccomend placing your foot slightly above chest level on the wall. After much experimenting, i found that the best placement. Consider that you want your leg to be at a 90* angle to the wall and also to your body (you, your leg, and the wall should make an "H").

4) as soon as your foot lands on the wall, LOOK BACK. I had a friend standing about 10 feet away from the wall, and my goal each time was to be able to make eye contact with him. If you dont throw your head back, you will NOT flip.

5) I reccomend a hard, unpadded wall, and a crash mat underneath you on the floor to learn. i found that padding the wall took away some of the momentum, and when i went from a padded wall to a non-padded wall, i felt like i was relearning how to do it.

6) as soon as your foot is on the wall (whichever leg you feel comfortable with, i use my left), and your head is looking behind you, your other leg (for me, that would be my right) pushes off the ground slightly, as if i were going to continue running vertical up the wall. That leg does NOT touch the wall at all, instead, it is the force that propells your flip. Swing that leg as if you were punting a football. After practice, I found that the force of that leg alone is enough to power my flip, and take me away from the wall. I would reccomend that while learning, the leg that is on the wall (for me, my left) should push off just a bit to assist the flip.


Things to remember:

1) JFDI! again, this is 99% mental, you have to just let go and do it.
2) get a crashmat underneath you. .safety first.
3) if you follow this, and remember my tips, you WILL NOT hit your head on the wall, this is a common fear. In my years of doing this move, i hit my head on the wall once, and it was because my right toe hit my left heal while i was in the "kicking" motion, and halted my momentum mid-flip. It didnt hurt that bad at all thought, haha.
4) having a friend there to learn it with you is a very good thing. Its nice to have someone to talk to and discuss the finer points of the move, and it also adds some encouragement. I found that me and my friends were cheering for each other, and it really helped get it done.
5) I cannot emphasize enough the fact that you will not be able to do it if you cannot let go of the fear, and JFDI. this is one of the easiest moves I know, and after i got it down, I have not falled/messed up once. The only way to get hurt doing this is to be up tight and scared to commit.


I hope this helps, feel free to post here if you need any more tips, or have any questions. I had a video of me doing it off a friend of mine's chest, but I can't find it, ill post it if I do. By the way, the chest wallfip is amazing, and can definatley get a crowd reaction, haha.

I also reccomend having an "enemy" be chasing you, and both of you run at a wall, you wallflip over him, land behind him, he runs face first into the wall, you grab him from behind and roll backwards while loading him on one or both feet, and throwing him using your momentum. That was a very nice use of this move taht we have done in 1 of our movies. It turned out very nice. (I believe that Liu Kang does something to that effect in his fight with Sub-Zero in the original Mortal Kombat movie, just so you can get an idea)

good luck and enjoy!
Logan
Posted: Thu, 8th Jun 2006, 11:03pm

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U realy don'tneed wires. Runing up a wall and flipingis easier then fliping of the ground causeyou gain hight. Try it on a mat to protect yourself and ull seeit'seasy.
I actually almost broke my arm a couple months back attempting this stunt. Everything went all black, and everything just went very very bad. Haven't tried it since.
Posted: Fri, 9th Jun 2006, 2:13am

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Thats not good, what did you fall on and how far did you fall? It doesn't seem possible to do that much damage from such a short fall. You must have twisted your arm or something.
Posted: Fri, 9th Jun 2006, 2:28pm

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^ I feel onto the ground from a hight of about 3 - 3.5 feet. I ended up with only a severly bruised arm which hurt for about a week, but I was in a soft cast (or w/e you call it) for 4 days, and the medical bill was over 2k. (Lucky for us, our insurance paid for most of it)
But basically, before you pull a stunt like this, you really have to think hard about it. one stupid little thing like that can cause a whole lot of problems afterwards.
Posted: Fri, 9th Jun 2006, 8:05pm

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ouch! that really sucks, especially the bill!