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Film feel in your movies!

Posted: Wed, 1st May 2002, 10:37pm

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Chrislad

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Hello again everyone.
Does anyone have any tips on getting a film feel in their movies? I know a couple of techniques. Such as filming in widescreen and setting shutter speed so its on 24fps etc.. but what i really would like to know is post production techniques and the like... because my shutter speed on my cam seems to be disabled or something. So how can I get a film feel in post production using after effects and/or Premiere? PLEASE HELP! tard tard tard tard tard tard tard tard
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Posted: Wed, 1st May 2002, 11:27pm

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Devilman

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The after effects plugin - digieffects 'Cinelook' is about the best thing you can do with video to make it look like film. It can replicate various film grain looks from super 8 to 35mm. It's really good, and you can put scratches and thing on too, to look like film. However, this is a commercial plugin, so if you want it you have to be prepared to pay a fair bit for it... Or use a bit of ingenuity to acquire it (not that I'd advocate that kind of thing). Hope that helps you out bud.

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Posted: Wed, 1st May 2002, 11:35pm

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adamlightandmagic

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Well, there's this film plugin that comes with Vegas Video. I've used it and it's really nice looking. I'm sure the cinelook one will be better, though. Still, it's a cheaper alternative.

The only annoying thing I've had to contend with, is that there are other parts of the plugin that can really annoy! For instance, even if you turn off the "extra" effect of the plugin, scratches or jitter etc., it sometimes renders them into your movie anyway!

Adam.
Posted: Thu, 2nd May 2002, 12:09am

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MechaForce

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DANG! One fine lucky day for me! Just got Cinelook!! HAHAHAHAHAHAYHAHHAHAHAHAHA

And it works too!
Posted: Thu, 2nd May 2002, 12:36am

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Is there a Cinelook for OS X? I heard you can use AE plug-ins with FCP3, will that work in this case?
Posted: Thu, 2nd May 2002, 1:35am

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Let me show you all the true way of the force.........come to the dark side........Cinelook is "iMovie" compared to this AE plugin:

http://www.theorphanage.com

"Magic Bullet".........the only way! wink

-Neo
Posted: Thu, 2nd May 2002, 3:51am

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justakid

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Neo wrote:

Let me show you all the true way of the force.........come to the dark side........Cinelook is "iMovie" compared to this AE plugin:

http://www.theorphanage.com

"Magic Bullet".........the only way! wink

-Neo
have u actually tried it? just curios cos i have seen the samples, but as we all know samples are usualy done with really good sources...
Posted: Thu, 2nd May 2002, 10:59am

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You got that legaly Mechaforce wink biggrin
Posted: Thu, 2nd May 2002, 11:13am

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Animaster

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There is a special lens used by TV for making tv series look more like film. It makes overexposed parts of the image alittle more bloomed then normal. Think it's called a diffuser lens.
Posted: Thu, 2nd May 2002, 2:16pm

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FilmFX is one of the best ways, I have both Digieffects Cinelook Film Res, and Film FX

Film FX is 10 times faster at rendering times, and REALLY makes it look like film with proper lighting. AWESOME program, but I think I paid what $499 for this software.
Posted: Thu, 2nd May 2002, 2:18pm

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Scuba

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more on the filters area.
FilmFX from www.bigFX.com is a good one that work as a premier as well as AE plugIn.
and it also have some more nice features....
Posted: Thu, 2nd May 2002, 3:57pm

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Neo

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I went to a screening of "The Last Birthday Card" at the Toronto Film Festival. They used the "Magic Bulle"t on that film (it was shot with a 1 ccd Sony DV Camcorder). It looked ridiculous. I honestly didn't know it wasn't film until about a month ago. This is the real McCoy. Lucas used it on Episode II as well. smile

-Neo
Posted: Thu, 2nd May 2002, 4:05pm

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Cptnchaos

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So how do you get the crispness of say one of LUCAS's Star wars films and NOT have a HUGE friggin camera?

I cant get a 3 chip camera to make things look as smooth as they do.

Any ideas??

confused confused
Posted: Thu, 2nd May 2002, 4:15pm

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amblix

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Cptnchaos wrote:

So how do you get the crispness of say one of LUCAS's Star wars films and NOT have a HUGE friggin camera?

I cant get a 3 chip camera to make things look as smooth as they do.

Any ideas??

confused confused
as far as looks you WILL not ever, you may get film "softness" but never the crsipnees.

Im sure he is using HDCINEMA cams that actually capture at 24 FPS like film cameras. And have 3 2/3" CCDS at god knows how many pixels, its in the mega pixel range though. Panasonic makes one of them but they are a nice $60,000 USD

http://www.panasonic.com/PBDS/subcat/promo/NAB2002/HD_Cinema.html#
Posted: Thu, 2nd May 2002, 11:34pm

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Lucas uses the Sony HDW-F900 they cost roughly over $150,000.00 US if you can even get your hands on one. cry

In terms of the crispness, you're right. You can get a nice slick film look but you won't have that insane clear Episode I & II cleanliness. That is some serious Post Production patended crap. evil

-Neo
Posted: Fri, 3rd May 2002, 1:11am

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Legally? AlamDV is the only program I'VE ever paid for.

I get educational discounts on things too.[/u]
Posted: Fri, 3rd May 2002, 2:45am

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Almost the same thing. I make the school board pay for my "hobbies" and software whenever possible. wink I think ALAMDV was the last program I bought.........prior to that............Jedi knight for the PC many moons ago.......but now I know better and use a MAC!

You ever try Hotline Client? We're sniffing there for the Magic Bullet. Not much luck though.........I think this might be a suck it in and buy it (won't be too painful...........I've recruited 2 more buyers for a total of 9 so far).

Check out that motion blur thing Animaster posted. It's not bad actually.

-Neo
Posted: Fri, 3rd May 2002, 2:56am

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Hey neo, how many more buyers do you need before you purchase it, and what prog. is the plug-in for?

Do we need a rendering farm do render the effects? tard
Posted: Fri, 3rd May 2002, 12:57pm

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Cptnchaos

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http://www.donlinte.com/level2/sony_hdwf900.htm

Neo I found that camera for $1500!!!
Posted: Fri, 3rd May 2002, 6:06pm

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Chrislad

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i dont get what this Magic Bullet is, is it software or what?? tard
Thanks for the idea guys. Does "de-interlacing" help when using Premiere?
Crs
Posted: Fri, 3rd May 2002, 6:10pm

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Cptnchaos wrote:

http://www.donlinte.com/level2/sony_hdwf900.htm

Neo I found that camera for $1500!!!
hahahaha thats to rent it for one day
Posted: Sat, 4th May 2002, 4:20am

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Cptnchaos

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Yeah i Realized that after I made the post... Doh!! redface

Wow thats just rediculous. BUT still affordable for Low budget films if used properly.
Posted: Sat, 4th May 2002, 11:13am

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are there any make 'video look like film' plug-ins out there for OS X?
Posted: Sat, 4th May 2002, 2:20pm

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He....he.......I saw the same add about two weeks ago and pulled a Captn. Don't feel bad man, I called all my buddies hoopin' and hollarin' like an idiot until one of them told me to get hooked on phonics and learn how to read. Would be nice at $1500.00 wouldn't it...... lol

The Magic Bullet is an After Effects 5.0 plugin (it works on 5.5 but not anything below). So you need After Effects which as we all know can be had off just about any file sharing portal.

I need 2 more guys Sidewinder at $100.00 US each and then we can buy a copy, but I want to wait a little bit longer if you dig what I'm saying. If I "find" it, I'll spread the wealth, fear not! wink Ask Mecha to take a look into those Airsoft guns for me while I'm gone next week! biggrin Cheers!

-Neo
Posted: Sat, 4th May 2002, 7:41pm

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av11d wrote:

are there any make 'video look like film' plug-ins out there for OS X?
I had cinelook for mac. Dunno if it works for os x, but I don't know if I can find it.
Posted: Sat, 4th May 2002, 9:47pm

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Don't give too much about these plugins... They actually just do a combination of what you can do single with almost any videosoftware.

if you want to make your videos look more like film you need a good original footage (no plugin and no software will help you getting around this one... You'll need good quality, good light and therefore a good camera - wich doesn't mean an expensive camera).

Then adjust contrast and colors. Add some noise if you want to make it look grainy... There's actually no need for such a plugin, cause all of them basically doing just that...
Posted: Sun, 5th May 2002, 3:09am

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yea, i'm starting to see that. I edited the contrast/colors/brightness/saturation and noise, and got the look i wanted.

Looks pretty "filmy" to me.
Posted: Wed, 8th May 2002, 4:47am

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I know the settings depend on the footage you're using (lighting/action/costume) but could you tell me what colour, grain and other setting values you used were?

I've tried tweaking my films but it always looks brutal.

Thanks,
Rob
Posted: Mon, 13th May 2002, 11:15pm

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Neo

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I'd love to know what you did Solthar. I usually get the same results that Rob mentioned- my stuff looks like Shite if I mess with the colour and saturation too much. I'm a big fan of the Plugin method. I'll see if I can pull an example off the Orphanage DVD for you all to see the stuff side by side. There is no comparison. It's amazing looking.

-Neo
Posted: Mon, 13th May 2002, 11:39pm

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Well... This is very difficult, no question... (But even a plugin is no guaranty that you don't mess it up completely)

For our next film we have found a pretty good method to make footage look better; but it's still experimental, so this could change - it's just the best thing i've found yet:

Reduce Saturaton of color first (I do it to about -45%). Than correct the brightness and contrast using the "levels" key... And finally use the "color balance" key to give it the wanted color scheme...
As a little trick, copy the editied scene and paste it as a second, identical layer. Than add a pretty strong blur to this layer and set it's transperency to about 40%...


http://www.nccinema.ch/filmlooktest.jpg

thats a little example... Its one of the test series for our next feature film. As I said, in an experimental phase yet.
Posted: Tue, 14th May 2002, 12:03am

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That looks good Solthar. Thanks. This is just such a damn hard thing to do. I spent over 5 hours on like 2 minutes of footage and it was complete shit at the end.

Cheers for the expertise.

-Neo
Posted: Tue, 14th May 2002, 12:11am

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Yes, I know that.... Just the same here...

And the rendering needs alotta time too... With all those filters, I render with about 1 Frame per 2 seconds or so... :)

And I'm gonna do this on a 90 minute feature film... yipppieee.... :)))
Posted: Tue, 14th May 2002, 4:06pm

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That's actully how i did, Crazyflame_man... but next time i wanna make it more filmy!
Posted: Tue, 14th May 2002, 10:04pm

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Yeah........you can play around with some of the plugins in Final Cut Pro 3 to get a decent enough effect. Getting a good Motion Blur is still tough. I find that is where I buy it usually and my stuff starts to look not so good.

-Neo