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Advice for Car Chase

Posted: Sun, 23rd Apr 2006, 1:28am

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hey im filming a car chase soon for my picture.


any advice such as camera angles, safty or speed of the vehicles would be very much appreciated!


iwant this to be as intense as possible thanks...

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kbon.
Posted: Sun, 23rd Apr 2006, 1:56am

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Camera Angles
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for good camera angles, depending on how you want it to be, try birds-eye view to show relativity (where the road is, how far apart the cars are, etc). And for closer shots, try 'through the window' type shots so the audience can see what the drivers can see.

Safety
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i'm not an expert on this, but i would say that it is best to do the wide shots in 3d. (easier, safer, etc). For close shots of the cars, try using a green screen in the back and use a real video of somebody driving (if you know what i mean)

i could probably help you more if you could give me an idea of what you want the sequence to be like.

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you could also add SFX like heartbeats to simulate adrenaline; and try a lot of screeching when the cars go around corners.


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Posted: Sun, 23rd Apr 2006, 2:00am

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waht do u mean when u say shoot in 3d and i dint quite understand how u would use the green screen



well, the chase:

2 cars
the chaser fires a rocket at the other car and misses
fish tail turns
smoking tires
the car being chased shoots small arms back and blows out the tires of the other car

tell me if there a better way for the car to get away.. maybe a crash but im not sure how to film that....well maybe could fly off into a graval pit and do i hand break turn/stop. or add some sound effects like the engine ceised and blew and pull the handbreak and spin the car out?

not too sure exactly how im gonna film it yet


cheers,

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Posted: Sun, 23rd Apr 2006, 2:07am

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hmm...

my idea for the greenscreen was this --

imagine you're looking out a a car window. the street and buildings and stuff is rapidly going by. you could shoot that; then set up in your garage or something two cars side by side. set the camera up in the first car; then put the greenscreen behind the second one. then start recording, and replace the greenscreen with the footage you took of the streets and buildings and other cars going by.

for shooting in 3d; my point was to get a pro 3d animator to make a 3d version of the chase, then animate it, but i'll hazard a guess you're not up to that.
Posted: Sun, 23rd Apr 2006, 2:10am

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yea that green sceen does sound like agood shot.

but it couldnt be for too long, cuas then it would look like the cars werent moving past each other, they couldnt stay the exact distance apart.
Posted: Sun, 23rd Apr 2006, 2:15am

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true. but in car chase scenes you'll notice there are a bunch of 1 to 2 second shots, which this would be perfect for; not to mention you could switch off every so often.
Posted: Sun, 23rd Apr 2006, 2:29am

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cool
Posted: Sun, 23rd Apr 2006, 2:29am

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yes. VERY cool. cool
Posted: Sun, 23rd Apr 2006, 3:39am

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any advice for filming bird eye?
Posted: Sun, 23rd Apr 2006, 3:46am

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unless you own a helicopter or something (which i assume you don't) you'll have to do it in 3d, which of course, isn't easy. if you have a low-budget movie, i think a good car chase is out of the question, unfortunately.
Posted: Sun, 23rd Apr 2006, 3:51am

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unless you own a helicopter or something (which i assume you don't) you'll have to do it in 3d, which of course, isn't easy.

destron wrote:

if you have a low-budget movie, i think a good car chase is out of the question, unfortunately.
jsut because i dont have a helicopter and pro editing does not mean i cant have a good car chase

cheer up a lil dude
Posted: Sun, 23rd Apr 2006, 5:20am

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maybe. but mind you, it won't be very professional.
Posted: Sun, 23rd Apr 2006, 5:29am

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how do you know how my picture is going to turn out when u dont even know my skill, my education, my budget, my expirience



jsut caus i dont have a helicopter, doesnt mean that it wont be professional, jeese

to make a good film, you need to have a vision, some jsut dont have it, not jsut crappy green screen and stupid specail effects.
Posted: Sun, 23rd Apr 2006, 6:02am

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maybe you're right. but to make it look like Terminator 2 or whatever, you need a huge budget.
Posted: Sun, 23rd Apr 2006, 1:37pm

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Destron is right.

My advice? Learn to work towards realistic and acchievable goals. Sure, there's a lot that can be done with creativity and sheer hard effort, which I don't doubt you have; but there are limits to what you can do on a low budget. You should realise you need to think of ways around problems like not being able to film a good car chase.

When you're asking for advice on such things as filming birdseye car chases, I think you're aiming too high.

Cheers,
Arktic.

PS - I also think you need to learn to take advice/criticism too. It seems pretty disrespectfull to take the tone you have when someone like destron is simply trying to help out - no need to have a go at him as if he's insulted your work!
Posted: Sun, 23rd Apr 2006, 3:12pm

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Here's what I'd do:

Step 1: Plan the chase in DETAIL. This is extremely important for something as intense and possibly dangerous as a car chase.

Step 2: Film the chase from five or six different angles (i.e. inside the each of the cars, outside each of the cars via car mount, looking in the windshield, and then from the side, from the front, whatever you like.)

Step 3: Shoot any required closeups.

Hint: One thing that I like to do is to put two people at each end of the road, watching for cars. As long as you have people watching, take up the whole road and have one car driving by the others, filming out the window. It's really great, because it makes the chase very intense, having the camera moving with the cars. If the people at the ends of the road see a car coming, just have them holler back to you and you can pull off or stop the cars.

Hope this helped smile
Posted: Sun, 23rd Apr 2006, 9:25pm

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My best advice is make sure you get most of the car in shot (unless you are doing close ups eg tyres) and keep your editing shots fast but no shorter than 0.7 sec and no more than 2 sec

Poor example of this technique is any fight in resedant evil apocalyse (even tho its not a car chase its still very poor editing and shot choice)

alsio try studing films with car chases in them and copying the same style
Posted: Mon, 24th Apr 2006, 1:39am

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y are you guys so negatice,


hey maybe for bird eye view, u film from a biulding roof........


u assume that nothing can be good if u dont have money and 2000 cameras

ill make my car chase

y is it always about the money with u?

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thanks 03ruby!

now that is some great advice, not a disspointing message saying i cant acheive anything...
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thanks you to nickd123


cheers
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hey and while im on it



any advice for a mount for a camera on a car?



cheers;

kbon.

[MOD EDIT: please, edit your posts if you have something else to say rather than adding to a thread over and over again in a short time. Thankyou.]
Posted: Mon, 24th Apr 2006, 1:52am

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I'd check out these links:

Car Rigs
Posted: Mon, 24th Apr 2006, 9:00am

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GAFFER!!!

only joking gaffer tape will rip paint off your car something thats less adhesive like masking or electrical tape

another alternative:
i saw these somewhere it basically a suction cup attacted to the screws you attach a tripod to a camera, will post it if i can find it

But any method you use uless you have a proffesinal camera rig dont go faster than 30mph that is if you value your camera

Couple more tricks:

If you trying to get the whole car in put the cameraman in the boot of a car (with the boot door open) in front of the one your tring to shoot.

also avoid camera shots from behind you lead car unless its a point of view shot.

Biggest thing of all never, ever use a very busy road. I was panning something simliar over summer and asked the police if i needed a permit or something. They said to me if i wanted to do a car chase they would need to close the street i wanted to use and it would cost thosands pounds.
so my advice film on streets in the countryside and be careful of any police around.
Posted: Tue, 25th Apr 2006, 1:17am

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hey thats great help


but when you say the "boot door" do u mean the back hatch

i ahve a station wagon so u mean like the back door and film out the back...that would be a really neat shot!

yea the chase is gonna startin a busy area, but not fast ya know, the guys are just gonna notive that they r being followed...then theyll get on the free way and ill do some green screen and i reall wanna have a part where the guy is on the rood of the car with green screen and leave blowers going i thing that would be fantastic! then the chase will move to a empty road along a creek, one way so i can swere in and out of cars with out getting hit head on, also its right by a round a bout... should amke for some fun


if you fellows would like to view it when im done itll probably be filmed inthe next few weeks, stay tuned..

thanks for all your help!
cheers,


kb
Posted: Tue, 25th Apr 2006, 1:19am

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ps im planning to use a turbo sabb 9-3 sport sadan and a classic turbo volvo...both are fast and have great style
Posted: Tue, 25th Apr 2006, 2:59am

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btw

this is for my julius caesar picture


cheers

kb
Posted: Tue, 25th Apr 2006, 3:17am

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My advice.

1. Try to get some shots from a very low vantage point (close to the ground).

2. Film it at a high shutter speed to increase the "choppiness" of the footage.

3. Get lots of close ups.

4. Be creative (think of angles and things that you would watch and go "that looks cool").

5. Have fun! Don't plan it to elaborately only to discover that it is out of your bounds (to complex), and be safe.
Posted: Tue, 25th Apr 2006, 4:54am

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thank you,

i really apprechiate the help


i plan to get some great low angle shots and close ups i.e. the tach and turbo gauges smile


cheers

kb.

2. Film it at a high shutter speed to increase the "choppiness" of the footage.

hmm i hadnt thought of this,, ill give it a shot, cool

quick question

where u thinken like 1/100-180 or like 1/500 caus it gets pretty dark


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Posted: Tue, 25th Apr 2006, 6:14am

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the godfather wrote:

this forum will go down in history
Ok, enough of the repeat posting. If you've something to add to a thread and you're the last person to post you can edit your post to include it. I've noticed you doing the same on some other threads and have removed the extra posts.

Extra posts only serve to clutter up a thread and make it difficult to read. Now you know you can edit posts I won't expect to see you doing it again.

Cheers.

-Hybrid.
Posted: Tue, 25th Apr 2006, 1:03pm

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the godfather wrote:

where u thinken like 1/100-180 or like 1/500 caus it gets pretty dark
I was thinking 500-8000 and above (if your outside you should fine, I have used my camera at 10,000 without to much trouble).
Posted: Tue, 25th Apr 2006, 8:23pm

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the godfather wrote:

y are you guys so negatice,


hey maybe for bird eye view, u film from a biulding roof........


u assume that nothing can be good if u dont have money and 2000 cameras

ill make my car chase

y is it always about the money with u?

this is off topic, but your comments have anoyed me in a few posts

1) if people give you advice, dont turn around and say we are negative, we are giving you good advice, its unlikely you can pull of a good car chase. Most films these days use CG cars is there high action care chases , especially if they are using expensive cars.

2) You a very defensive person, that doesnt seem to take critism well, which is the whole point of this forum, to learn from other people, and listen to there advice

3) this has already been mentioned but EDIT your posts

4) Although you dont need a good camera to make a film, you Do need a good camera to make a good looking film. Its true you can pull off good shots with a cheap handheld camera and tyhen grade it, and letterbox it, but you will never get that crisp quality lok, that you get from a expensive camera, with 3ccd, and a nice lens etc. (also lighting is essential)


there i think ive blown off some issues. sorry if you find it offensive but its just the impression you have made on me.

some advice.

stick to quick bursts of the cars chasing, give it some close ups, and (like the renegade said) film from low to the floor.

If i was doing this, i would try to use cg for any scenes where the cars cross paths etc. for safety reasons. also slightly iuncrease the framerate of your footage, but not too much

regards,
SMB
Posted: Tue, 25th Apr 2006, 11:12pm

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Guys guys guys...........

Firstly, nothing is impossible if you pull your finger out and get your thinking cap on. We filmed a good car stunt in about 10 mins.

Birds eye can be done from bridges, cut to close ups of tires , drives etc. Its really not that difficult....

However, what cars do you own/ have access to? If its a Nova, fieta or other heap of crap then it wont sell no matter what you do, but does it have to sell? Are you trying to make a pro ish film or just a fun one?

I have posted a link here of a trailer i did that has car stunt in it. Please no one tell me it was dangerous, i am well aware!

Now this was made up on the spot and took 10 mins, so with some thinking im sure you could come up with something.

Hope it helps

Ben

http://s52.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=39S0ON38KXDKP2Y75ST2NT5KM3

p.s i know its big but if you wanna look you'll have to download it. takes about 5 mins!
Posted: Tue, 25th Apr 2006, 11:20pm

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thanks SMB for the advice fixed my posts above urs so that porblem isnt an issue anymore and we dont need to worry bout it, thanks for the regards as always


and thank you ben for the encourragment and terrific advice

i jsut watched ur clip, thats really great stuff!




cheerios.
kb
Posted: Tue, 25th Apr 2006, 11:28pm

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glad you liked it
Posted: Wed, 26th Apr 2006, 7:29am

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Mounting the camera on various places around the outside and inside of the car is a good way to make it look faster and keep it steady and smooth so the audience can see what's going on. Saw these things in action at NAB over the weekend and they work great. There are other models by other companies just make sure they'll support the weight of your camera.

AJ
Posted: Fri, 28th Apr 2006, 3:48am

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okay