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julius caesar car bombing Improved edit

Posted: Fri, 28th Apr 2006, 12:37am

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hey

u might have checked out my forum for help on my clip of a car bomb,

if u havent , here u go..
http://fxhome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=23410&highlight=

iv made some improvements, tell me waht u think

NEW:
http://www.vmix.com/viewVideo.php?ID=286771



OLD:
http://www.vmix.com/viewVideo.php?ID=252402
Posted: Fri, 28th Apr 2006, 3:08am

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Well...Your gettin' there...But man, The editing isn't good.. The fade transition while walking? Take it out unless you MUST have it. (and..you don't..)..and none of the camera work is.."Good", angles look very..."non-Appropriate"..I mean, even the Tripod shot shakes..
Posted: Fri, 28th Apr 2006, 3:22am

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The tripod shot shaking is bad.
But, the angles of him on the phone are ok.
The best thing to do is edit the video a little step back for a few
hours. Then watch it again, and see if you still like it.
You will notice things you did not the first time.
Posted: Fri, 28th Apr 2006, 3:42am

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yes yes, im talking about the bombing, im not worried with the menial shos right now, ill fix those way later, if u read the old forum you would know that the forum is regarding the explosion,

but since u brought it up, waht would u do differntly with the shots.
Posted: Fri, 28th Apr 2006, 4:33am

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the godfather wrote:

if u read the old forum you would know that the forum is regarding the explosion,
Old thread, not old forum. Perhaps it would have been a better idea to stick the new version in the existing thread, instead of starting a new one. Easier to keep track, and less forum clutter.

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waht would u do differntly with the shots.
* Set your exposure manually - nothing screams amateur like the camera adjusting itself halfway through a shot.

* Frame and block properly. The low angles could work with better planning.

* Some acting might be helpful; The guy is half smiling when he gets up, like he's not even slightly worried that someone has just tried to kill him.

* Is that the reflection of the cameraman in the first shot?
Posted: Fri, 28th Apr 2006, 4:54am

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how bout the shots
Posted: Fri, 28th Apr 2006, 8:29am

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Please keep discussion of your film to this thread from now on, and don't start anymore threads about it. That way fans can keep track and not miss anything, and it won't clutter up the place.

Thanks.
Posted: Sat, 29th Apr 2006, 1:07am

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thaank you for ur care, but i had posted several comments on the old thread with no reply, i made a new one so every one new where it is... the old one is lost now


every thing is fine tho


ttul


cheers

kb.
Posted: Sat, 29th Apr 2006, 1:30am

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The clip is good. I like the low angle shooting applied to it. The explosion is good too although I think in my opinion the brightness of the fireball needs to be adjusted so that it looks brighter. But other than that, I like it. Great job. biggrin
Posted: Sat, 29th Apr 2006, 2:37am

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Okay I like the carbomb effect but I do hate that fade cut there it looks really lame. Good bomb effect though it looked convincing.
Posted: Sat, 29th Apr 2006, 7:31am

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thanks guy i really appreciate all ur advice, im gonna show this to my class and i think there gonna be blown away

ill raise the brightness of the xplosion a lil in the first few frames
, and lol ill take out that fade, y is it so bad, i mean its not like im using a swipe or "star" transition from a crappy home movie maker program
llol


cheers

kb
Posted: Sat, 29th Apr 2006, 11:57am

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if you see in real films the transitions dont just fade away. Only sometimes if there going to another scene. But if your in the same scene and you fade it looks bad, especially an explosion clip like this. Dont get me wrong I think the Clip looked awesome but to make it more dramatic you need more clips of say im falling on the floor and the camera shaking. You want to make it action so its got to be fast paced and all of a sudden the explosion comes. If it fades out I think it gives it kind of a fake look and less "actiony" (if thats a word smile I think the scene is great atm but instead of fading get more clips (fast paced) of him falling on the floor and the camera shaking. good luck with the project!
Posted: Sat, 29th Apr 2006, 12:16pm

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Overall, it's ok. But, there's some major problems.

The camera work is pretty sub-standard, as has been mentioned (the pan at the start is particularly bad - learn to get smooth, clean movement, so that it doesn't jerk about).

The editing is OK, except for that awful fade (only use fades to show that a change in time/location has occured, otherwise it is confusing for the audience).

There's also a MAJOR basic continuity mistake known as 'crossing the line' - it's disorentating for the audience, and makes it look amateurish. Basically, you should never have a straight cut from a character facing one way, to the character facing the other. It means the camera has 'jumped' through space, and the sense of relation between the character and his surroundings is destroyed. In your clip, the man answers his phone and walks out of frame right, then there's a straight cut to him walking into the edge of frame right against a different background (the reverse I assume), so the camera has 'switched' sides. It looks odd, and should be avoided most of the time - especially if there is more than one character.

Also, you really need to work on the integration of the greenscreen footage. Though the explosion is looking pretty good, the clip looks terrible because the man is an odd hue of BRIGHT green. That'll need to be graded, if not re-shot, to make it look decent. Also, the edges of the key aren't clean, so you might want to spend some time working on that. There's some odd spill/fringing issues that could be sorted out with a little effort.

But overall, it's looking ok. If you sort out those issues, then you might have something pretty decent.

Cheers,
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Posted: Sat, 29th Apr 2006, 6:49pm

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thanks for the pro advice, thats the stuff i need

thanks arktic and mattio!

ill take out the fade, ill leave those for the montage, and i know the actor has a bad green tint, we actually filmed ona blue tarp on a trampoline, which was a blast, but thats the best i could get it, the blue screen was not helpful at all, jsut made the tarp torquize sp? and then i added a chroma and green screen key.. i think ill grade it, put it into a new file with the back round already black... trhen drop it back in. spunds good, then use the luma key...


im thinken about filming ascene with a guy on a car roof flying down a free way, id use green screen, waht do u think...but my car is green, waht should i do?, ant suggestions, the car is a very very deep green, and suggsetions for camera work for this scene would be appreciated
and id use a leave blower, to make it look like wind is smashing into him at 100 mph!


and yes i know the pan is bad, the cameraman had trouble with the tripod and we were in hurry.

and tell me more about these "rules" so my films will be more pro

cheers,


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Posted: Sat, 29th Apr 2006, 7:01pm

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i think ill grade it, put it into a new file with the back round already black... trhen drop it back in. spunds good, then use the luma key...
That sounds like a bad idea - I have no idea why you'd need to put it over black and lumakey it. Lumakeys tend to give bad results, btw, especially on footage that isn't black and white. Have you thought about CompositeLab? It's really the best keying and grading software I've used, and pulls really clean keys off even difficult footage.

For filming your car - you *could* try using a redscreen or bluescreen, but I'd be tempted to find another car that's not green, just because MiniDV handles greenscreen keying best (and I imagine that's what you're shooting on).

Cheers,
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Posted: Sat, 29th Apr 2006, 7:10pm

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Well if the car is green then you'll want to use a bluescreen for that particular shot. To get dynamics for that shot I would implement a camera shake because the car is going down the freeway and there is some type of action going on. I think for me to provide a little more useful information for this shot I need to know what action is going on that causes your subject to be on top of the roof of the car? Was he chasing after the guys that blew up the other car and thus he leaped right onto the roof?

and yes i know the pan is bad, the cameraman had trouble with the tripod and we were in hurry.
What was the purpose of being in a hurry if you don't mind me asking?

and tell me more about these "rules" so my films will be more pro.
All I can say is plan. Plan everything. Storyboard a sequence. If you can't draw use stick figures or if your like me I either write down a detailed discription of what I want in my scene and how the action plays out or I'll do a previewlization. I was going to sell my copy of Poser 6 but decided to use it as a means of prevising a scene.

Its a thought anyways.
Posted: Sat, 29th Apr 2006, 8:31pm

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wildstormfilms wrote:

What was the purpose of being in a hurry if you don't mind me asking?
the hell kind of question is that? do u think i choose to film in a hurry, i dont have all day to play around like some people.... i have a life

and my freind, the cameraman, could only have the car for an hour

does this answer ur question

jeese
Posted: Sat, 29th Apr 2006, 8:58pm

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He MINDS you asking razz

Godfather, theres a term i'm thinking of that starts with "If you can't stand the heat...."

seems applicable..
Posted: Sat, 29th Apr 2006, 9:34pm

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the godfather wrote:

wildstormfilms wrote:

What was the purpose of being in a hurry if you don't mind me asking?
the hell kind of question is that? do u think i choose to film in a hurry, i dont have all day to play around like some people.... i have a life

and my freind, the cameraman, could only have the car for an hour

does this answer ur question

jeese
um its just a question that you didn't have to answer. No need to get snooty about it. I didn't mean anything by it.
Posted: Sun, 30th Apr 2006, 6:58am

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arktic,

no, if i grade it in the same project, and mess with the colors, that will mess up everything, the back round will come back in spots and it will look terrible, ill move the already keyed clip into a new project, so when i adjust the green, blue and red values, the original bluescreen stuff wont be messed up
Posted: Sun, 30th Apr 2006, 1:06pm

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I have no idea what you're keying in, but I suggest you try a different program!

You should be able to key out the blue AND then apply grade effects to just the non-alphachanel areas (i.e. the areas that have been removed).

If neccesary, render the keyed footatge out with an alpha channel and then re-grade it. But don't try and use a lumakey, cos that'll look terrible.

Cheers,
Arktic.
Posted: Sun, 30th Apr 2006, 6:08pm

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Arktic wrote:

You should be able to key out the blue AND then apply grade effects to just the non-alphachanel areas (i.e. the areas that have been removed).
no, if i grade and cange the colors, the blue back round will come back!
it was a very poor shot
Posted: Sun, 30th Apr 2006, 7:10pm

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Yes, but what I'm saying is that you should be able to key out the blue, and have the program remember which areas are to be keyed out, saving the information in the alpha channel of the footage. You can then grade the footage without affecting which areas are keyed.

Composite Lab, for example, can do this easily, and I know you can do it with many other compositing programmes.

Cheers,
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Posted: Sun, 30th Apr 2006, 9:19pm

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cool, does anyone know how to accomplish this in premier pro 1.5?
Posted: Sun, 30th Apr 2006, 9:34pm

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No wonder, he's keying in Premiere! razz
Posted: Sun, 30th Apr 2006, 11:44pm

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settle...settle
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Just watched this.

I recommend going through my filmrules tutorial

http://fxhome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=23797

and have a look at your shots and editing. You'll find that it's not really too good, sorry. And you'll hopefully find what to improve on.


Good luck!
Posted: Sat, 27th May 2006, 7:01pm

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thank you, iv have had no education in film, i just teach myself along the way



cheers up
Posted: Sat, 27th May 2006, 10:48pm

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There's nothing wrong with that, I didn't have no education in film either. I learned by doing, and read some books.

That's why I suggest you read on basic filmmaking techniques to improve quicker.
Posted: Sun, 28th May 2006, 1:22am

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Since the only thing you're asking about is the SFX of the explosion, and everything else has been covered anyway, I thought it looked pretty good. If anything is to be suggested constructively on my end, I was kind of disappointed that the explosion sequence didn't last a bit longer. It went by really fast. Of course, if that was your intent for some reason, don't mind me. biggrin
Posted: Sun, 28th May 2006, 1:50am

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thank you