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Posted: Tue, 23rd May 2006, 8:32pm

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Posted: Tue, 23rd May 2006, 8:47pm

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OUCH!
Posted: Wed, 24th May 2006, 3:04am

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I hope this doesn't suck because that is one of the coolest marvel characters ever.
Posted: Wed, 24th May 2006, 3:33am

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Ok, I am not a big super hero fan. But from what I've seen most people expect a cool story with fun elements, and good action. Now, with the resources big companies have, there is no excuse for something so visually terrible and uninteresting at all. The trailer was boring with too many of the same shot, terrible visuals, I've seen better stuff with next gen gaming. I hope this bombs so it stops encouraging this kind of stuff. The beginning loked somewhat promising. I will not see this unless it gets mostly good reviews.
Posted: Wed, 24th May 2006, 4:42am

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The trailer is better than most, the visuals don't bother me,


Nicolas Cage is a superhero (finally) and a bad guy again.

Oh, and Eva Mendes is in it. A combination for a great movie. I don't see why this is such a big deal. This movie looks semi-promising. (much like Daredevil, which was also actually very very good until the middle and toward the end.)
Posted: Wed, 24th May 2006, 1:52pm

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Looks like another Punisher or Electra (aka Crap and Crapper)
Posted: Wed, 24th May 2006, 2:00pm

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I quite like it.
Even though the visuals do look a bit dodgy for a multi million dollar production. Especially the skull. The fire is nice.
Posted: Wed, 24th May 2006, 2:09pm

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The skull is perplexingly wobbly in some shots, it doesn't seem to look realistic at all. Which is rather odd, considering it's a solid lump of bone - not the most difficult of things to render, certainly not compared to flesh or fire.

There's also some cheap looking Mummy-style CG creatures flying around, it would seem.

Seeing as it's from the guy that made Daredevil, I can't say I'm particularly excited. Contrary to Atom's opinion, I thought Daredevil was fairly awful from start to finish. Half the time it didn't seem to quite know how a fictional universe is established.
Posted: Wed, 24th May 2006, 2:49pm

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Looks like another Punisher or Electra (aka Crap and Crapper)
I thought Punisher was good stuff, agree with the other tho.
Posted: Wed, 24th May 2006, 3:54pm

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This looked pretty awesome, kinda how Daredevil looked from the trailer, but not how Daredevil the actual MOVIE looked.

You guys gotta understand that movies based off of comic books aren't trying to be cinematic masterpieces, they're just trying to be exactly what they are: movies based off of comics. Let's all just realize that now and then it's good to see a shoot-em-up action moive just to be entertained. Hell, isn't that why movies are made?

Kinda like MI:3 and V for Vendetta. I liked them both the same, but MI:3 had much less substance; whereas V had this huge underlying meaning and all this other stuff. Why'd I like them the same? Because MI:3 had more entertainment for its buck than V did.

Simply, this looks like it'll entertain me, hence I'll most likely see it. Oh, and Punisher had some pretty awesome parts to it, so don't diss.
Posted: Wed, 24th May 2006, 4:02pm

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Let's all just realize that now and then it's good to see a shoot-em-up action moive just to be entertained.
Can't harm if it's well done though. wink

You guys gotta understand blah blah blah
Maybe you have to understand that people expect different things from movies. Obviously, your expectations differ from most others according to this thread.

Then again, I wouldn't bother. If you want to see it, go see it. I certainly will. smile
Posted: Wed, 24th May 2006, 4:03pm

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ben3308 wrote:

You guys gotta understand that movies based off of comic books aren't trying to be cinematic masterpieces, they're just trying to be exactly what they are: movies based off of comics.
Are you trying to suggest that comics can't be masterpieces, or worthy of being considered classic literature? Just because comic book movies tend to suck doesn't mean that the source comics are also rubbish.

'Comic book movies' have created this unfortunate stereotype of what the comics medium is capable of. Typically, some of the more interesting 'comic book movies' (such as Ghost World, A History of Violence, Road to Perdition) most people don't even realise are comic book sourced, simply because there aren't any silly superheroes with capes and tights.

Even the good comic book superhero movies (which I regard as Batman Begins, Superman, Spidey 2 and X2) aren't a patch on the best of the source material. Batman Begins and X2 probably come closest to doing justice to the source material. The aforementioned A History of Violence, on the other hand, far surpasses the original novel.

Before dismissing the entire medium as being incapable of producing anything other than frothy fun and explosions, I recommend you check out some of the following:

The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (ignore the movie, it has nothing in common with the book)
Watchmen
From Hell (again, ignore the movie)
Batman: The Dark Knight Returns
Gotham Central (this NEEDS to be made into a TV series)
Fables

I picked those specifically because they debunk the misinformed opinion that comics are only about tights and capes.

Let's all just realize that now and then it's good to see a shoot-em-up action moive just to be entertained. Hell, isn't that why movies are made?
That's one of the reasons, yeah. But being a masterpiece and entertaining aren't mutually exclusive things.

Kinda like MI:3 and V for Vendetta.
Another comic book adaptation that isn't a patch on the original book. smile Not sure how MI:3 fits in, so I'll shut up for now. razz
Posted: Wed, 24th May 2006, 4:05pm

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You guys gotta understand that movies based off of comic books aren't trying to be cinematic masterpieces, they're just trying to be exactly what they are: movies based off of comics. Let's all just realize that now and then it's good to see a shoot-em-up action moive just to be entertained. Hell, isn't that why movies are made?
I'm gonna have to agree with that.
Posted: Wed, 24th May 2006, 4:11pm

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And yeah, Tarn summed up my original thoughts.

The real good comicbooks are MEANT to be cinematic masterpieces. Because comics are mostly very deep and tense psychological constructions that allow for fascinating insight in human psyche (Batman), ethics (The Punisher) or politics (V for Vendetta).

Obviously, they're also construncted it a way the no-brainer audience can be entertained by them with funky tights and explosions and lots of gimmicks and stuff.

Unfortunately, many filmmakers as well as moviegoers fail to realise that there is much more beneath that layer.
Posted: Wed, 24th May 2006, 4:17pm

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From Hell (again, ignore the movie)
I'm sorry Tarn I disagree, I thought the movie was good stuff, although saying this im yet to read moore's book which im being lent in about a week. I still really liked the movie, I hope the book doesn't spoil this which from what ive heard, it might.
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You guys gotta understand that movies based off of comic books aren't trying to be cinematic masterpieces, they're just trying to be exactly what they are: movies based off of comics.
You know that for a fact, do you? Do you have evidence that every comic-based movie director sat down and said "i'm going to create something which is only average"?.

I highly doubt it. I think I get what you're saying though - that the medium of the comic book is naturally restricted in various ways. That may make them perhaps more shallow than the works of Ovid or Homer, but it doesn't automatically make all movies based on a comic deliberately half-hearted, as you're almost implying they are.

I think i get where you're going with this but i suspect you haven't explained yourself very well. At face value, its just absurd to suggest no comic book adaption was intended to be less than perfect.

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Posted: Wed, 24th May 2006, 4:18pm

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ashman wrote:

From Hell (again, ignore the movie)
I'm sorry Tarn I disagree, I thought the movie was good stuff, although saying this im yet to read moore's book which im being lent in about a week. I still really liked the movie, I hope the book doesn't spoil this which from what ive heard, it might.
The movie is generally regarded as a decent movie, it just isn't a patch on the comic. So it's not that the movie was bad, just that it wasn't as incredible as it could have been.

Let me know what you think of the book! It's pretty tough reading in places.
Posted: Wed, 24th May 2006, 7:25pm

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I sorta agree with Ben, movies based on comic books aren't meant to be masterpieces. I mean I read the Hulk comics alot and even though all the critics hated it I actually loved it. I think the movies appeal alot to the people who read the comics.

Tarn- I don't think Ben meant that in the way that movies based on comics can't be masterpieces. Some turn out fairly well(Spiderman, X-Men).
Posted: Wed, 24th May 2006, 7:47pm

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So, When I heard they were making a movie off this comic, i thought "oh..no"

After seeing that, I think it looks Pretty damn cool.
Posted: Wed, 24th May 2006, 8:01pm

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Ahhh, I'm not too hot on it. I'll see it (more as a rental). I'm a fan of Cage so I'll check it out.

That was one hell of a shot of him landing on his head though...
Posted: Wed, 24th May 2006, 8:39pm

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I personally thought the trailer was pretty Sweet!

Sure there are some bad pieces of cg, some lackluster creatures, and that gun Cage is holding looks ridiculous, but one thing you guys have to take into account is that this movie isn't coming out until February of next year. That's like 9 months for post-production(a ridiculous amount of time). This allows for plenty of time for them to clean up some of the vfx and make an excellent cut of the film (whether they do or not, we'll have to wait and see).

I'll definately be going to see it because it's based on a comic book and I usually try to see most of them (not sure why). That and I think Nic Cage is an Awesome actor.

So far, it looks promising to me!
Posted: Wed, 24th May 2006, 8:54pm

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That skull looked funny at times, that's enough reason for me to see it.

Seriously though, the trailer didn't appeal to me that much. I mean it's not something you would take that seriously, just a movie you could watch with you buddies and have a fun evening with. And I'm kinda more into movies with a deeper meaning.

I haven't read the comics, I didn't even know he had his own comic. But I'm sure I've seen a skeleton man on fire riding a bike before.

If this turns out to be a superhero movie without a love story, then I'll see it. I don't think I have ever seen one of those.
Posted: Wed, 24th May 2006, 9:42pm

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swg33k wrote:

I sorta agree with Ben, movies based on comic books aren't meant to be masterpieces. I mean I read the Hulk comics alot and even though all the critics hated it I actually loved it. I think the movies appeal alot to the people who read the comics.
I think if there's any one group of people that are likely to dislike film incarnations of comics books it'd be those who read the comic. The same goes for computer game into movie translations. Both are mediums of which the source fans have seen their bibles dumbed down and practically raped into becoming mediocre cinema.

There are always exceptions though - Sin City for example.
Posted: Wed, 24th May 2006, 10:14pm

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Hybrid-Halo wrote:

swg33k wrote:

I sorta agree with Ben, movies based on comic books aren't meant to be masterpieces. I mean I read the Hulk comics alot and even though all the critics hated it I actually loved it. I think the movies appeal alot to the people who read the comics.
I think if there's any one group of people that are likely to dislike film incarnations of comics books it'd be those who read the comic. The same goes for computer game into movie translations. Both are mediums of which the source fans have seen their bibles dumbed down and practically raped into becoming mediocre cinema.

There are always exceptions though - Sin City for example.
Not necessarily, that applys more to LOTR. I got really fed up with the crap I heard about it being inaccurate. The movies are for people like me that don't feel like reading 700 page books smile

As for ghost rider, I think it looks pretty cool. I can't wait till it comes out!
Posted: Wed, 24th May 2006, 10:27pm

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That trailer actually looks pretty cool. Cool enough to make me go see the movie when it comes out.

swg33k wrote:

Not necessarily, that applys more to LOTR. I got really fed up with the crap I heard about it being inaccurate. The movies are for people like me that don't feel like reading 700 page books smile
I read LotR twice.

* Harvey is proud of himself
Posted: Wed, 24th May 2006, 10:51pm

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swg33k wrote:

Not necessarily, that applys more to LOTR. I got really fed up with the crap I heard about it being inaccurate. The movies are for people like me that don't feel like reading 700 page books smile
There's a big difference between people nitpicking minor details at what is an excellent piece of film celebrating the literature it was translated into film from and being an outright travesty though.

I find your stance on this a little worrying, films may be an alternative to reading a book - yes. Though that doesn't justify dumbing down or completely twisting key elements which would alarm fans of the books. A film based on a comic should be a celebration of the comic itself rather than a cash in on the franchise which is often the case.

Sometimes a minor change here and there to help create a coherent movie is acceptable, although take for example the resident evil movie : no relation whatsoever to its source material. Hulk : awful, League of Gentlemen : contrast to the source. The list goes on.
Posted: Fri, 23rd Feb 2007, 3:50am

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So has anyone seen this? The movie I mean....
Posted: Fri, 23rd Feb 2007, 7:06am

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Okay, so I saw this movie the other day, aaaaaaaaannd:

It was alright. Some really, really cool stuff by ways of his powers unleashing themselves when he couldn't control it, and some plucky, but funny comedic relief on Nicholas Cage's part throughout a great portion of the movie.

The story was convoluted and completely contrived and I found myself not caring about it so much I just wanted to see what literally happened as things went on: the visuals were so pleasing (not that the 3d was great) because they were just as I'd imagined they'd do for a Ghost Rider movie, and that was a good thing.

What I think made the movie was the whole "moment of truth" spin they put on many of the scenes. In almost every fight scene, the Rider would near fail, but then somehow make it out. The most notable of these scenes is where Eva Mendes is shotgunning the crap out of Satan's son (the baddie), and Nicholas Cage is turning back into a mortal because the son is rising; and then the gun runs out and the sun rises, leaving both protagonists helpless in the face of death.

The cool shot that follows has Nicholas Cage thrust his arm in a patch of shadows, Eva Mendes tosses him the empty gun, and the gun immediately turns all "ghostified" metallic and skull emblazoned with fire seeping all over it. Of course, by being touched by the Rider in the presence of evil, the weapon immediately magically reloads itself and is bolstered with the power to kill or severely incapacitate an immortal. Cage fires the weapon off, knocking down the bad guy. It was pure awesome.
Posted: Fri, 23rd Feb 2007, 2:41pm

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ben3308 wrote:

The cool shot that follows has Nicholas Cage thrust his arm in a patch of shadows, Eva Mendes tosses him the empty gun, and the gun immediately turns all "ghostified" metallic and skull emblazoned with fire seeping all over it. Of course, by being touched by the Rider in the presence of evil, the weapon immediately magically reloads itself and is bolstered with the power to kill or severely incapacitate an immortal. Cage fires the weapon off, knocking down the bad guy. It was pure awesome.
I like that part too. I like the movie but I think it could of been done better. I did like how they tried to do something new to get rid of the bad guys, but at the end I was angery, because the main bad guy always gets killed in the coolest way, but not in this movie.but I'm not going to tell you what did happen. I say the movie is worth seeing. I do need to say that it starts slow and speeds up, but when Eva enters the sence the movie seems to slow. but thats what I think.
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i think the film looks pretty cool, i have to dissagree with spyrovisions comment on the punisher film, it was plain awsome, may not be great but i enjoyed it a lot.

ill go see this sometime.
Posted: Fri, 23rd Feb 2007, 9:42pm

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Just saw it.

While I think a film about a burning skeleton has the potential to be the best film ever made - some minor scenes showed that this potential was actually there. In some slight moments I thought "WHOOAAA!!! THIS IS AWESOME!!!!" but only for a second or maybe two, then something terrible, cheesy or random happened and the awesomeness was killed.

All in all, the script and directing are appalling and turned this into so much less then it could have been.
Visually, the film was top notch. Action was top notch. And it had a skeleton... and flames... combined... AWESOME.

But well, the way it was told and put together - 6 / 10 at max.
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Sollthar, I'm gonna wholeheartedly agree with you on that one. The main bad guy's acting and mannerisms were too chessy and overplayed, and, like I said, the storytelling of the entire movie is forced, contrived, and generally "fake", as in: throwing in a few flashbacks real quick for the sake of flashing back does nothing for the story.
Posted: Fri, 23rd Feb 2007, 11:47pm

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All in all, the script and directing are appalling and turned this into so much less then it could have been.
Visually, the film was top notch. Action was top notch. And it had a skeleton... and flames... combined... AWESOME
Agreed with the first, second half of your statement I believe the film holds true in some cases, but in most ehh.
Posted: Sat, 24th Feb 2007, 7:59pm

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The technicality of it wasn't all that great...

But it was one heck of an entertaining testosterone movie!!

It's impossible for you to not get pumped up when Ghost Rider and the Cowboy are riding through the desert together with "Ghost Riders In the Sky" playing...
Posted: Tue, 27th Feb 2007, 6:09pm

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the film looks great the effects look very well done some times the skull looks a bit wierd but all the other effects make up for it like the transformation scene. Mark StevenJohnson's other works are good daredevil was brilliant, i hope ghost rider is the same.