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X-Men: The Last Stand - MAJOR SPOILERS

Posted: Fri, 26th May 2006, 6:50am

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Just got back from the midnight showing and wow. I'm too tired to write up anything detailed but I will just say that I really liked it and thought it was better than the previous two. Definitely go see it if you can.
Posted: Fri, 26th May 2006, 7:04am

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Just got back from it as well... NOT even close to being better than the previous two.. are u kidding me..


too tired to write more now.. ill jump in 2morro..
Posted: Fri, 26th May 2006, 8:06am

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I'm hugely conflicted on this film. I haven't seen such a jumbled film for a long time - both in terms of story and quality.

Overall, I liked it. I was thoroughly entertained throughout. However, there was an awful lot of crappy stuff distributed liberally through almost every scene. But to confuse matters even more, when the movie was good, it was damn good.

The good:

- Danger Room, and the nice humour in that scene
- Visual effects, which were almost all of a very high standard
- Wolvie's fight in the woods
- Magneto and Pyro's car grenades!
- Wolverine's flesh-shredding final approach to the Phoenix
- Storm finally getting to unleash like she should have done in the first two movies
- Magneto being cured - superbly well acted.
- Beast - Frasier done good!
- Iceman finally icing up (though we needed MORE dammit!).

The bad:

- Halle Berry. Bryan Singer kept her as a nothing presence in the first two movies, and now we can see why. Rubbish acting, and hugely hammy delivery of most of her lines
- Losing Mystique so early. Magneto's rejection of her didn't seem right at all. He's not that callous or simple-minded.
- The utterly lame off-screen killing of Cyclops. He's always been handled badly in the movies, and his send-off here was atrocious - especially considering his scenes in the movie to that point were pretty good stuff.
- Xavier's death - what on Earth were they thinking, killing off so many regulars? It's like they were trying to prove that they were being daring. Instead, they just removed some of the best actors/characters for no good reason.
- The ending. The film just stopped, with no resolution. Everything was back where we were at the start, except some of the most interesting characters had been wiped out/cured.

The main problem, I think, is that the film was intended to be the final chapter. 'The last stand'. Except, the whole point of the X-Men is that it can't have a 'final chapter'. It doesn't just 'end' tidily, this isn't Lord of the Rings or Star Wars.

You can't 'end' the mutant saga anymore than you can 'end' the issues surrounding minorities in real life. X-Men has always been a metaphor for outsiders of the time, whether they be black, gay, disabled, Jewish - you name it. It's about the world (hopefully) growing up and coming to terms with things. To suggest that there's some kind of "everything's alright now" scenario is to insult the core themes of the X-Men stories and over-simplify everything to a massive extent.

As a piece of entertainment, I think it works really well. As an X-Men movie (let alone the final movie!), it's a great disservice.

Surprisingly, though, I thought Brett Ratner did a superb job. If he'd been given a decent script, I imagine he'd have made a movie we'd all have loved. The problems lie with two groups of people - the Fox execs who rushed the film through production because they're utter idiots, and the screenwriters that wrote such atrocious dialogue and an absurd plot.

Which screenwriters? Well, the ones behind such gems as xXx2 and Elektra. I think that says it all.

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Posted: Fri, 26th May 2006, 8:12am

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Not quite as good as X1 (which itself wasn't great), not even close to X2 (which was really good).

A real shame to end it like this and kill off so many good characters. I agree with just about everything Tarn has said so I won't bother repeating it.

Why didn't they use the anti-mutant against Jean Grey? Why didn't Magneto just drop the bridge on the island in the first place? Silly stuff and some terrible dialogue (Storm was dire - even worse than I expected!).

The most annoying thing is that there were many moments when it was a good film! sad

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Posted: Fri, 26th May 2006, 8:12am

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Harvey wrote:

Just got back from the midnight showing and wow. I'm too tired to write up anything detailed but I will just say that I really liked it and thought it was better than the previous two. Definitely go see it if you can.
Brian Singer identifed with X-Men... Mutants trying to make it in the world, Brian grew up Jewish, Adopted and also is a homosexual he grew up knowing he was different and i feel that really did impact on the way he made X1 and X2... he identifyed with the charicters.

Brian is a champ in my books.

I will comment on X3 in 4hrs, im about to go see it and frankly im expecting crap.... so hopefully ill be suprised at any good bits. razz
Posted: Fri, 26th May 2006, 11:06am

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I thought it was better then the first (which I thought was just alright), but not a masterpiece like the second.

Overall, I really liked the movie. It had many fantastic bits (like the way magneto crushed that car when he frees mystique... that was just BADASS!) and some really bad/corny lines ("what have I done?")

All in all, I felt greatly entertained.
Posted: Fri, 26th May 2006, 1:22pm

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Ya I was not very impressed, sad to say. I hade WAY to high of hopes and they destroyed them. I agree mostly what tarn said but I must add, WHERE WAS NIGHT CRALLER! I am telling you, that bothered me alot. The plot could have been stronger aswell, but oh well.
Oh and I wanted Gambet... frown

*SPOILER!*
Also might I add they spent 3 movies in chareceter development and then they destroy alot of the mutants, that just ticked me off.
-Aaron
Posted: Fri, 26th May 2006, 1:42pm

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Rating: +1

It's an arrogant film. By killing off so many important characters, often with no particularly good reason, they've denied future filmmakers from telling stories using those characters, unless we go into prequel territory or complete re-start the franchise, Batman Begins-style.

If X3 was a masterpiece, all that might be forgiveable. As it is, it just feels like a slap across the face for anybody that loves the first two movies or the comics.

Take Xavier's death, for example. The whole sequence was superbly well done, and Xavier's parting words to Jean were very moving - "Don't let it destroy you." Unfortunately, that's exactly what it did do, culminating in Wolverine having to kill her. Thus Xavier's death and final words were rendered totally pointless. The only justification, story-wise, for his death would have been if it had given Jean the power to subdue the Phoenix come the end of the film (after a long struggle).

There's an argument that Xavier's death raised the stakes and made the film more edgy, so that we didn't know who might live and die. That would be true, if they hadn't already killed off Cyclops and (effectively) Mystique. They'd made their point already.

Entertainment factor aside, the more I think about X3, the more it angers me.
Posted: Fri, 26th May 2006, 4:39pm

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***SPOILER****

You did stay until the end of the credits though and saw that Professor X isn't dead, yes? smile


***SPOILER END****


I thought with killing characters it did, what the previous films did too. And while I don't find Cylclpops death particulary bothering (I don't like him anyways), I thought that the fact there were actual characters dying just made it work even more as a drama.
As I also dislike about the third LotR movie, that it doesn't kill off more characters. I like killing characters. That's what they're here for. So you feel for them.

And the most important characters are still here. Magneto is gowing his powers back, X is still alive... And as said, I couldn't care less about Cyclops. He was never an interesting characters in the movies to me.
Posted: Fri, 26th May 2006, 4:54pm

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For some reason I never really liked X2, I always liked X1 better. Might be because I like backstories a lot but X2 just never really hit it off with me.

As for X3, I found it highly entertaining with more emotion than the previous two. I actually liked the fact that they had the guts to kill off main characters (I like it when main characters are killed off). To me that signalled the end of one generation of mutants so to speak and the beginning of another one. I never really liked Cyclops very much so his death while adding to the story didn't bother me. Xavier's death surprised me and had me on the edge of my seat wondering who else was going to die.

The visuals were very impressive and the sound work especially during the fight sequences was good. I thought Brett Ratner did a great job of directing. There was some good humor and a few witty lines in there also.

Halle Berry was pretty bad and had some real cheeseball lines. While there were some witty lines there were also a lot of bad lines. The script got too murky at times also.

Tarn wrote:

By killing off so many important characters, often with no particularly good reason, they've denied future filmmakers from telling stories using those characters, unless we go into prequel territory or complete re-start the franchise, Batman Begins-style.
I disagree with that. They could always go on with the story of Storm and Wolverine and the trials that mutants will face in the future. They could also bring on some cool new characters. Just because Xavier is dead doesn't mean there can't be more movies. Magneto could even get his powers back (as they hinted to at the end) and take Xavier's place. (Please forgive me if any of what I have said does not work with the comic books as I have never read them and only know the X-Men as presented in the films).

Overall I thought it was a really good film. While not being anywhere near Lord of the Rings and while suffering from some murky plot points (it had some "Why the hell did that happen?" moments) I enjoyed it and will probably be seeing it again soon.
Posted: Fri, 26th May 2006, 6:06pm

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First of all...

**Spoiler**


XAVIER ISNT DEAD SO STOP SAYING THAT EVERYONE.. as a matter of fact no powerful psychic really ever dies in Xmen cuz they cant. They still exist in mind. So Jean isnt really close to being dead. You think wolverines lil claws could end Jean but being at the bottom of a lake couldnt ha.



**End Spoiler**



And to go on..

And while I don't find Cylclpops death particulary bothering (I don't like him anyways), I thought that the fact there were actual characters dying just made it work even more as a drama.
I never really liked Cyclops very much so his death while adding to the story didn't bother me.
That movie wasnt close to a drama. You had to actually feel something for the characters when they died.. i dont think anyone did (besides the feeling of anger at the writers). Also, it doesnt matter if you all didnt care for cyclops. Thats not how the story goes, he shouldnt be dead.. at all.. And if it turns out that he isnt dead and comes back with one eye then i'll prob be even more pissed cuz wolverine is the person whos supposed to take his eye out in age of apocolypse. Either way, he is not supposed to be dead, its so stupid. He should have finally got his role in this movie because he is a really cool character if they just write him to be. I dont think people realize how strong his optic blast is (he coulda wiped out that whole front line at the end battle by himself)

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By killing off so many important characters, often with no particularly good reason, they've denied future filmmakers from telling stories using those characters, unless we go into prequel territory or complete re-start the franchise, Batman Begins-style.
So true... why would they take a cool character like psyloche and killer her off. This movie just ruined alot of stuff really. The previous movies followed the actual story kinda.. but this movie took a complete left turn. They never should have ended on a happy note. Thats so corny/cheesy and thats not ever how it would be... stupid stupid stupid writers..
Posted: Fri, 26th May 2006, 6:33pm

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First off, I didn't see the end credits extra. Putting a major plot point after your end credits is just plain stupid, especially one that will influence post-film debate so hugely.

Secondly, well said about Cyclops, CX3. He was always underused and underappreciated in the movies, and I was hoping that X3 would be his shining moment - with Jean going all Phoenixy, it should have been all about Cyclops (or Cyclops-Jean-Wolverine if you like).

If Cyclops had died at the end, while saving Jean, or some such, that I could have accepted. But being killed (off screen!!) and then practically forgotten about for the rest of the film was atrocious, from every viewpoint - narrative, structure, drama, let alone respect for the source material.
Posted: Fri, 26th May 2006, 7:29pm

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I just got back from seeing it and have mixed feelings. Scott died without any closure at all. He was just gone and nobody really mourned for him or had any feelings. That was unsettling to me. Also Xaviers death I thought was extremely well done, though I don't agree that he shoud have died, that scene was very moving and powerful. The acting with Magneto's becoming a human was incredible, but it sucks that he is normal now. (Except for that little wobble of the chess piece) I didn't see the end of the credits. What exactly happened? Also Arch Angel (I think that's what he is called) was an incredibly pointless character in the movie. All he did was give a little bit of justification for making the antidote, but I thought he was going to play a huge role given his spot in the beginning of the movie. He was rather pointless. I still have mixed feelings about this one. It was entertaining, but disappointing.
Posted: Fri, 26th May 2006, 7:55pm

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LilCaesars wrote:

I didn't see the end of the credits. What exactly happened?
*******************Spoiler*********************

Do you remember when profeser x was giving a lesson and on the television screen was a man who was in a coma who had no brain just a nervus systerm keeping him alive in a hospital bed. Profeser x was saying imagin what could happen if you put a man who has cancer and is terminal in his spot what good it could do.

Well at the end of the credits it goes to another shot of that hospital bed and a nurse comes in. I forget the dialogue but its the Profesers voice so yea thats what happened. The nurse recognized him as the professer.
Posted: Fri, 26th May 2006, 11:13pm

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SyroVision wrote:

Brian Singer identifed with X-Men... Mutants trying to make it in the world, Brian grew up Jewish, Adopted and also is a homosexual he grew up knowing he was different and i feel that really did impact on the way he made X1 and X2... he identifyed with the charicters.
Bryan Singer's gay? I did not know that.

Kind of makes the first two films, and especially the whole "Ice Man coming out to his parents" scene in X2 even deeper and feel more personal than it already did. Very cool.

I hope to see X3 tonight. We shall see if that actually happens.
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Putting a major plot point after your end credits is just plain stupid
That's a bit silly to say really. About as silly as if I answered "leaving the cinema before the film is actually fully over is plain stupid" to that. smile

Hardly anyone who didn't know the source material saw the hint at Jean Grey not being dead at the end of X2. And yet, they could easily bring her back in X3. They could have as well done that plot-twist at the beginning of X4 or whatever.


What I hear from the majority of people who really dislike the film is mainly the fact it did something the comic didn't (Which isn't even true, afaik did both the Professor and Cyclops "die" in more then one of the comics). Which is completely above me. Why can't it do something else?
Posted: Sat, 27th May 2006, 12:40am

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I agree completely. I had mixed feelings about how much the film tried to crunch in, (new characters, stor-arcs, phoenix saga, new villians) but I thought it was pulled off fairly well. Each new addition to the X-franchise had ample ammounts of time to make an impact, or not feel 'rushed'. (The addition of the Warlocks, more of Collossus, the Danger Room, Sentinels, The conceivable idea of Jean becoming the Phoenix, Angel and his fatherly struggle, etc.)Although I agree with the excess presence of Storm and the lack of Cyclops, it wasn't as awkward, since in X2 he took on more of a miniscule role and Storm became more of a predominant character. I thought Prof. X death was done well, almost poetically, with Wolverine pushing his way into the room, and a moment of sympathy with Magneto saying "Nooo!!! Charles!!". Nice, almost tear-jerking stuff for not even being the end of the movie.

Things I really liked:

-The entire Mutant v. Mutant war, gritty yet suave (on Alcatraz at that!)
-The addition of Beast, a great character, well-acted, well-presented, well-done
-The Danger Room, the nice subtlety of a Sentinel was perfect
-Angel, he didn't really have to be a big part of the story, but having him there I felt added alot to the humanity of the movie
-Iceman 'icing-up'
-The Warlocks (Morlocks? Maybe? The freak mutants)
-The Juggernaut and............................


"Dont you know who I am?!? I'm the Jugga-naut bitttttttch!


Made the movie completely, completely worth it. A good, solid movie in most respects. The Original Juggernaut B!tch.
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man, seeing Wolverine vs Spike was awsome. Also, i loved at the end when wolverine was walking towards Phynix, and his skin was ripping off and healing...

anyways, i liked it. I liked X2 better, but i didn't think this movie sucked or anything...

Clinto
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Each new addition to the X-franchise had ample ammounts of time to make an impact
I cant believe you can seriously think that. I honestly think that this movie was for people who just wanted to see visuals because there was no story. (Dont get me wrong, some of the visuals were bad ass but theres only so much u can look at b4 youre like "okay.. where are they goin with this..?"

1.) The Rogue, Kitty and Ice man triangle.. not resolved...
2.) Cyclops, one of the main Xmen, no1 even really showed remorse..
3.) Psyloche did absolutey nothing, her powers were wrong, she made no impact at all.. she had "ah" line.
4.) Angel served no purpose.
5.) They were all about the school closing in that scene until Storm says 4 words that changes every1 minds completely.. "And it still is..." ... (My god your right Storm, what were we thinking?)
6.) Juggernaut was almost made into a joke with the internet line that he said. He also shouldnt have been classified as a mutant.. cuz he isnt
7.) Back to Cyclops, he was supposed to kill Jean, not Wolverine.. he was actually supposed to be cut throat and not still weeping after Jeans death either.. They made Cyclops a baby..
8.) Wolverine would not have gotten close to Jean at the end.. like.. not close at all..
9.) Colossus got a nothing part again..
10.) Quill was weak and purposeless
11.) The hand to hand fight between Storm and Callisto made no sense really cuz storm could have just channelled lighting that whole time.
12.) Big Cop out on not showing the sentinal body, or the body even falling, or wolverine jumping down.
13.) Iceman forms into his ice state... and walks off the screen..
14.) Iceman isnt witty or funny as he should be.
15.) Mystique is always in handcuffs...
16.) Gotta love how Xaviers voice was identical to the mans body that he took over in the end..
17.) The only person that got his arms cut off by Wolverine was the guy who could grow them back.. yawn..

Beast was the only good character in this movie imo. They tried to do too much in so little of time. Hopefully the directors cut will come with more... like maybe that thing they call a "plot".. i dunno...
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I did enjoy it but I also felt let-down. As has been mentioned, I think the script itself is the weakest part.

Like schwar said, I also wondered why the anti-mutant couldn't face up to Jean and take away her powers, but my conclusion was that the boy's powers only have a 5 metre radius or so, and that she would cut him down before he could reach her.

One of my biggest gripes, though, is that Magneto moved the bridge to get to Alcatraz. Why did he need to do that? To me, that just stinks of the script being written around a special effect that they wanted.

Why couldn't he just gather a whole bunch of metal together and create a floating disc to carry them all across, like he did previously (on a smaller scale) when he escaped his plastic jail cell?

I also agree that Scott's death, let alone his charactor, was rediculously treated. It's not like they were struggling with a film that was too long, since the length was only 105 mins!

Maybe it's impossible to do justice to all the X-Men characters in a 2 hour film because of how many there are? Maybe that's why X-Men works as a comic, or even a cartoon series, where the stories can take turns on the characters, rather than trying to push them all into one episode.

There are 5 films that I've been looking forward to: MI3, Da Vinci, X-Men, Pirates, and Superman. Of the first 3, only MI3 has totally met my expectations - I thought it was great, whereas the other 2 left me with mixed feelings.
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X-Men 3 was average at best.

It came down to two things:

1) Halle Berry Sucking
2) Script Sucking

The script made me hate myself for buying a ticket, and im officialy boy-cotting Halle Berry films, wich means ill be seeing X4 on DVD.

That is how much contempt i have for her.
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The more i think about it the more angry i get....
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schwar wrote:

The more i think about it the more angry i get....
ditto
Posted: Sat, 27th May 2006, 12:10pm

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Well I really liked it, dispite its flaws I think it was better in a lot of ways than x2.

This one was much more like the comics because the xmen team is the main character not wolverine or jean grey or whoever. In the comics xmen are killed and brought back all over the place so I didn't find the fact that characters were killed that bad and it doesn't close any storylines because they can always be resurrected. I liked the fact that we saw a lot of new mutants rather than the same old few. I think they have not used Gambit yet because he is many people's favourite and he has a lot of backstory that deserves more than being an incidental charcter. Iceman icing up was cool but I don't really like the actor who plays Bobby so although he is my favourite xman he kind of spoils it for me.

I thought the mystique scene was good because it shows where Magneto is coming from. He has a mission for supremacy of mutants and he is callous and at best only had a fondness for her or perhaps a fondness for her talents. Look at the way he 'befriends' pyro, that really is all manipulation. I think his only true friend is Xavier. You also see that he really has no mercy earlier when he crushes the cars. There's no a-team style roll and then everyone gets out ok, the passengers were undoubtedly killed.

I always thought cyclops was a lame character, he is always supporting Jean or Wolverine or whoever in both the comics and the movie. The only interesting thing was his conflict with Wolverine for Jean which had really been done in the first 2 movies. His death was a bit lame but I think it was necessary to keep it open till later in the film and make you wonder if he is actually dead. I can see how it might make the wolverine vs xavier conversation about controlling Jean more meaningful and make you wonder if she is bad or not and explain why Wolverine lets her go. Unfortunately they didn't really pull that off and you know right away that xavier is right and wolverine is just acting a bit stupidly.

Wolverine was a little spoiled in this one I feel. They seem to be trying to make him too deep and sensitive and it just makes him vulnerable rather than gritty and hardened like the comics and first 2 films.

The bridge thing was a bit weird, it just helped the army get there. Rather than moving the whole bridge why didn't they just get in some buses or something and fly over there. Although, Magneto is arrogant, it could have just been a display of his power.

Jean would have stopped the anti-mutant with ease, not using him against her isn't a plot hole. Look at how she controlled cyclops' powers earlier.

To what Tarn said about Xaviers meeting with Jean being pointless, I think you miss the fact that Jean allowed Wolverine to kill her, he didn't beat the phoenix' powers. It seemed to me that exactly what you said did happen in that Xavier gave Jean the will to do that.

Yeah I hate stuff after the credits, it makes people feel stupid because they either wait and often find there is nothing to see or they miss it and find out later. Really it only rewards the fanboys but the problem with reading all the hype about movies is that they often give away too much. I didn't see it but I'm not surprised that he isn't dead.

Well strictly in the xmen comic universe juggernaut didn't get his powers from being a mutant but he does have special powers and also you have to remember that the movies are their own universe and not always sticking to the comic one.

I agree that Halle sucked, but she always sucks, you didn't expect anything amazing did you? I don't think it really made the film any worse but perhaps Storm isn't as great as she could be with someone who is more than just eye candy.
Posted: Sat, 27th May 2006, 12:23pm

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Kid wrote:

Well I really liked it, dispite its flaws I think it was better in a lot of ways than x2..<txt missing>...I agree that Halle sucked, but she always sucks, you didn't expect anything amazing did you? I don't think it really made the film any worse but perhaps Storm isn't as great as she could be with someone who is more than just eye candy.

We saw Nightcrawler added in X2 and where the hell did he go?!?

Its lame!
On a personal level, that my favorite x-man would be added and removed, and on a proffesional level because his entire story was just forgoten.

The last 2 movies were about the X-Men Functioning as a group, the fact the cameras followed the story of Wolverine closer than others is simply because his back story is the most exiting and intriguing.

Storm makes me want to hurt small children. Every time she used her powers in X3 it was for a trivial purpose that could have been handeld better another way, EVEN when she was fighting that chick she didnt bother lightning her untll after she had her ass handed too her and Xaviar was 'killed'.

And the fact is that you DO NOT give Eye candy a lead role, you keep her in a cage like Bryan Singer did....

If you let the bitch out of the cage you end up with Electra.
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SyroVision wrote:

And the fact is that you DO NOT give Eye candy a lead role, you keep her in a cage like Bryan Singer did....

If you let the female dog out of the cage you end up with Electra.
Strange since she does such a great job in Alias. While I agree with your point I think that is a bad example.
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Strange since she does such a great job in Alias. While I agree with your point I think that is a bad example.
Not really, on a TV show you can do as many takes as is needed. On a movie is shoot shoot shoot move on.

If you dont get it you dont get it, On 'Alias' she does an "Okay" job, the part shes playing is writen for her and she as an actress has a strange amount of creative controll, on a movie the actor is the Gimp the Director calls the shots.

Electra was shit because of the script and directing (Also done by X3s director)

She's a sub-par acress even in her own show. Global Ratings dont lie.
Although im sure shes a hit in some places.
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Rating: +1

Those of you who missed the x3 end after the credits

you can probably find it on
http://www.youtube.com/
they seem to have lots videos

try searching for "x-men 3 credits" or something .....

I hope there is something official there as I hate piracy.....

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Ah the coma guy from the ethical debate. Does this mean we lose Patrick Stewart though?


PS: Piracy is theft! razz (hehe nice edit - although I'm sure the mpaa will be hunting them down as we speak smile )
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Kid wrote:


PS: Piracy is theft! razz
I agree...

I doubt they will make a 4th. Blatently just a wolverine movie in 3yrs time or something
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JackPot wrote:

Kid wrote:


PS: Piracy is theft! razz
I agree...

I doubt they will make a 4th. Blatently just a wolverine movie in 3yrs time or something
And also a Magneto film.
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The current ones are wolverine movies!
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Although there have been Wolverine and Magneto movies announced it'll probably only be Wolverine which gets made.
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I thought, while it was kinda bad, I still enjoyed it.

As an X-Men film it was dissappointing, yes, but as a summer action flick it was terrific (stuff like the car bombs was bad ass).

I think the perfect X-Men movie would be a mixture of X2 and X3. Take the great characters/plot/writing from X2 (and of course Singer) and the incredible action and climaxes of X3, and you'd get one great movie. If Singer had directed this film, and been in control of the script, then i'm sure this movie would be loads better. I'd rather him have stayed on for X3 and then done Superman later... And speaking of which, Superman had better be good, if Singer abandoned X3 and doomed it to crapulence for it.

Also, I really wanted a conclusion to the Wolverine backstory. X2 hinted strongly that it would be resolved in X3, but it seems everyone has forgotten about it in this film, and I'm still curious dammit. Who was he, how old is he, why did he have the procedure done on him? (I have not read the comics obviously.)

The whole Magneto thing at the end with the twitching chess piece was lame utterly lame... how could he possibly get those powers back?

And my biggest gripe with the movie - there should have been more naked transformed Mystique! razz
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Evman wrote:

Also, I really wanted a conclusion to the Wolverine backstory. X2 hinted strongly that it would be resolved in X3, but it seems everyone has forgotten about it in this film, and I'm still curious dammit. Who was he, how old is he, why did he have the procedure done on him? (I have not read the comics obviously.
Well the thing that makes wolverine such a great character is the mystery. Concluding his back story would destroy that.

The whole Magneto thing at the end with the twitching chess piece was lame utterly lame... how could he possibly get those powers back?
We are just supposed to assume that it is permanent. We know his actual power is only temporary so why wouldn't 'the cure' also be temporary?
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The whole Magneto thing at the end with the twitching chess piece was lame utterly lame... how could he possibly get those powers back?
I was discussing this with my friends and we came to the conclusion that the cure is like any ordinary medication in that it passes through your body after a certain amount of time and no longer has any effect. So you would have to retake it every X amount of days/weeks/months/whatever in order to not have your powers anymore.

That theory does have some holes in it but it is certainly the best one I can think of.
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Harvey wrote:

The whole Magneto thing at the end with the twitching chess piece was lame utterly lame... how could he possibly get those powers back?
I was discussing this with my friends and we came to the conclusion that the cure is like any ordinary medication in that it passes through your body after a certain amount of time and no longer has any effect. So you would have to retake it every X amount of days/weeks/months/whatever in order to not have your powers anymore.

That theory does have some holes in it but it is certainly the best one I can think of.
It was said it was a permanent cure in the movie.
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Evman wrote:

Harvey wrote:

The whole Magneto thing at the end with the twitching chess piece was lame utterly lame... how could he possibly get those powers back?
I was discussing this with my friends and we came to the conclusion that the cure is like any ordinary medication in that it passes through your body after a certain amount of time and no longer has any effect. So you would have to retake it every X amount of days/weeks/months/whatever in order to not have your powers anymore.

That theory does have some holes in it but it is certainly the best one I can think of.
It was said it was a permanent cure in the movie.
Yeah, but we were also told that small pox was eradicated.

Think about it... medical research takes years and years to come up with vaccines. The mutant cure was rushed, so there could very well be inherent problems with it, like a misjudgment of the permanence of it. Or perhaps Magneto is too powerful to have his powers completely flushed out. Or perhaps it was the wind moving the piece.

It was a clip that creates debate, discussion, and buzz. It did its job.
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It was said it was a permanent cure in the movie.
Beast is the one that said that right? He was not a creator of or had anything to do with the cure so he could be wrong. Or what BackOfTheHearse said.
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Also, let's remember that Magneto was like a Class 3 or 4 mutant, meaning his powers were stronger and more deeply engrained in his being than other mutants. Even though Beast stuck like 4 or 5 cure darts in him, it might not have been enough. Think about it: even thoguh it's only supposed to take about 1 tranquilizer dart to knock out a deer or a bear, we often shoot them with 4 or 5; and, even after that, they can keep going.

My guess is that they didn't dose him with enough of the cure to completely eliminate all the x-genes in his body.
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I personally loved this film. I AM under the impression they should have made 4 films, because they might gave tried to pack in abit too much. However, I thought this was brilliant overall. Then again, I don't IMMEDIATELY look for reasons to dislike a film...




(like certain people on here...)

Matter of preference really. I liked it about as much as the other 2 films.
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I have never in my life gone to a theater so excited and come out so dissapointed.

swg33k wrote:

I sorta agree with Ben, movies based on comic books aren't meant to be masterpieces. I mean I read the Hulk comics alot and even though all the critics hated it I actually loved it. I think the movies appeal alot to the people who read the comics.

Tarn- I don't think Ben meant that in the way that movies based on comics can't be masterpieces. Some turn out fairly well(Spiderman, X-Men).
Let me quote myself here, after seeing this movie I completely disagree with this. I am a big X-Men reader and this completely messed it all up.

Bad-ass characters that got killed/healed

Mystique
Magneto
Xavier
Rogue

Who in their right mind would take these awesome characters out?! Maybe it's a good thing they killed Xavier because I don't know if they can afford Patrick Stweart after this.

Too many key characters killed. Why don't we make another Star Wars where Luke, Han, Leia, and even Chewie die! Woohoo!
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swg33k wrote:

Bad-ass characters that got killed/healed

Mystique
Magneto
Xavier
Rogue

Who in their right mind would take these awesome characters out?! Maybe it's a good thing they killed Xavier because I don't know if they can afford Patrick Stweart after this.

Too many key characters killed. Why don't we make another Star Wars where Luke, Han, Leia, and even Chewie die! Woohoo!
Uh, are you forgeting, like, the another awesome X-Man? Does Cyclops come to mind?
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ben3308 wrote:

swg33k wrote:

Bad-ass characters that got killed/healed

Mystique
Magneto
Xavier
Rogue

Who in their right mind would take these awesome characters out?! Maybe it's a good thing they killed Xavier because I don't know if they can afford Patrick Stweart after this.

Too many key characters killed. Why don't we make another Star Wars where Luke, Han, Leia, and even Chewie die! Woohoo!
Uh, are you forgeting, like, the another awesome X-Man? Does Cyclops come to mind?
Regardless of how awesome Cyclops may be in the comics and/or animated series (I honestly don't know, I've never read/watched them myself) his character was essentially written from the beginning as disposable. Though he had a decentish role in X1, there still wasn't a whole lot to his character and X2 and 3 were almost nonexistant roles anyway.
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Yeah, but the key word in swg33k's list was "bad-ass", and you can't get much more badass than Cyclops in X3. You saw him riding that Harley, right? Only real men know how to ride Harleys. I would know, I am one.




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SyroVision wrote:

Not really, on a TV show you can do as many takes as is needed. On a movie is shoot shoot shoot move on.
Vastly incorrect. TV shows are usually on much, much tighter schedules and budgets than feature movies. TV is often one-take-only (unless somebody makes an actual mistake), it's only generally in movies that you get to do things over and over until you get it right.

Electra was poo because of the script and directing (Also done by X3s director)
Wrong. Elektra was directed by Rob Bowman. Brett Ratner had nothing to do with it.
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Tarn wrote:

Vastly incorrect. TV shows are usually on much, much tighter schedules and budgets than feature movies. TV is often one-take-only... Wrong. Elektra was directed by Rob Bowman. Brett Ratner had nothing to do with it.
"Vastly incorrect" Tarn, as i clearly specified my statement toward "Aslias", Jen being who she is on her show, has a lage amount of creative control (interviews avalable stating such) if she wants another take they do one.

Working on TV shows as I (Lee, not lana or nick) does for a living, YES i know takes are quick and if possible done a second time only for safety, Alias runs accordingly unless the "talent" says so.

The point of my post was that no one i know of, nor I think she is a good actress, and personaly did about as much for Electra as Helle Berry did for X3.

My mistake about Ratner, serves me right for beliveing Forum gossip.
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Back to X3,

Did any one else think that X3 pretty much left things the way they were at the end of X2.

Other than Cyclops Dieing and Mystique loosing her powers (or did she? ooooo) all the characters are still there.

The 20 seconds at the end really bugged the hell out of me, it was almost like a "Just Kidding!" attached right at the end of the credits.
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I saw X-men 3 wednesday, and I lovet/hated it.

Killing both Cyclops and Xavier was lame... But none of those are dead.
I did enjoy that the cure didn't work 100%.
Rouge is still dangerous, she could get her powers back in a real bad time... Eric is still the bad guy, and Mystique can show up any time.

X4 is going to rock! I hope it will be made, but this is what I want:

-Magneto's son, Quicksilver... In x3 he was replaced by a woman razz
-Nightcrawler, what happend to him anyway?
-MORE X-MEN!!! And more action... The X-men movies seems to hold back all the cool scenes towards the end.


Oh, and one thing I missed in the film, isn't Juggernaut Xavier's half-brother? He was in X-men Evolution, but I don't know how much I can trust that show....
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X4 is going to rock! I hope it will be made...
Yeah, see this is what im saying, X3 may as well NOT have happend...

Nothing changed... yes there is more story but it ties back almost compleatly to where X2 left off...

Its almost like they said:
"Alright Singer cant do X3, but we must make the deadline we set, but have a whole lot of stuff happen in X3 that ultimatly changes nothing, There for alowing Singer to come back and do X4"
-Syro's Imagination

But the fear that Singer will move straight on to Superman 2 and forget X-Men series all together leaves me with little to no hope for the comming films unless a major change in cast (mainly, HALLE BERRY) polacy is made.
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Well, I just hope Superman won't be as bad as the Trailers suggest, so Singer doesn't lose lots of his fans.
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ben3308 wrote:

Yeah, but the key word in swg33k's list was "bad-ass", and you can't get much more badass than Cyclops in X3. You saw him riding that Harley, right? Only real men know how to ride Harleys. I would know, I am one.




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Hehe sorry about that. I had just returned from the movie and all I could think about was mystique losing her power.
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SyroVision wrote:

as i clearly specified my statement toward "Aslias"
Not really, you said "on a TV show you can do as many takes as is needed. On a movie is shoot shoot shoot move on" - which is clearly comparing a generic TV show to a generic movie, in which case your statement is blatantly wrong.

Cheers,
Arktic.
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Well, I just hope Superman won't be as bad as the Trailers suggest, so Singer doesn't lose lots of his fans.
I'm not sure why everybody is so down on the Superman trailers. They look pretty nifty to me - they seem to have captured the style of the original film perfectly, while at the same time using modern tech to bring it all to life. Looks like a lot of fun to me.

Still, I'd have preferred Singer had done X3. Superman just isn't terribly interesting to me.
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Yeah, I'd have preferred Singer to do X3 too. While I think X Men 3 was a great film, it was still much weaker then I imagine it would have been under his direction.

And yes, I don't care for superman either and I don't like the trailers much. Maybe I'll like the film though, who knows.
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The same, I've been uploading Singer's podcasts for Superman Returns in the making and he's a cool director. He even directed a section of King Kong since Peter Jackson was so wiped out he would fall asleep on random occasions.

I remember watching the original superman movies on laserdisc when I was little and I enjoyed it a lot. I sorta want to have that same feeling when I'm watching the new ones.

As for X3 I really disliked it. They completely violated the storytelling rule of thumb. You usually have 1 character or a team of 4 characters or more that make it to the end. Maybe one dies and that's alright. X3 was constantly killing off characters. The only exception to this is Star Wars Episode III where you expecting everyone to die. I mean you didn't see Legolas or Gimlie die in LOTR, why there would be anoutrage! That's why I think X3 is so bogus.

-SPOILER that would tick you off since its at the very end-
And how in God's name Magneto can possibly move a chess peice after being injected with four "mutant cure darts" is beyond me.
-end spoiler-
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Yeah, I think it's the number of deaths that surprised me. Killing a major character is a superb plan to raise the stakes, but when you start killing (or 'curing') characters every 20 minutes, it stops being a shock and just becomes rather distracting.

I think the main problem is that none of the characters were mourned much, so it was hard for me to feel anything either - Cyclops in particular. They should have made his death much more tragic and prominent. The way they handled it felt almost like an afterthought.
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I thought it was a cool movie.

You guys complain too much about Magneto and how he could get his powers back. I like to think Magneto regains his powers but instead becomes a gay man in San Fransisco. It's just more realistic.


Oh, yeah, anyone else think Kitty Pryde is SMOKING for looking like a 10 year old?
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Let's face it. We didn't like that Singer didn't direct, and that's getting to all of us. Still, I think, basically,

The movie was pretty damn good.


I'm very critical about my X-Men stuff, and have similar feelings to most of you about the genuine goodness of X2, but I can't help but wonder if these same comments would be yielded if X3 were the same, but directed by Bryan Singer. I think alot of the comments are jabs at the writing or direction, which I thought both could have been better, but were done fairly well-especially the direction, which retained a similar character direction to X2, but took (IMO) a more visually creative and cinematically innovative approach with the cinematography, sound-design, and editing. In general, X3 was a great movie. Sure, it strayed abit from X2 and left open some loose-ends, but so did X2 from the original; and with less tie-ins to X2, X3 can be better appreciated by audiences that haven't seen X2. I think Ratner did a terrific job, and for taking-on a thankless third-hand directing position when a film is almost out of pre-production, with cast members hounding for more screen time, I think he should be applauded. Setting standards high comparitively to X2, even if they are sequels of eachother/another film, is the fault of the viewer to come out so disappointed. The movie had a different writer and director, so why would you expect a similar and/or the same product? I didn't think the movie felt rushed, but rather, really liked the addition of so many characters. Who said you have to in-depthly follow each new character you throw in? Juggernaut and Multiple Man each had nice screen-times, and it was apparent that they were Juggernaut and Multiple Man, so why bother with 15 more minutes of explaining them? I guess I feel this way after coming out of the DaVinci Code, with standards set so high for Howard and Hanks, and the story itself, and coming out disappointed. It's only your fault for going into a movie expecting something greater than heaven. Every movie is different, and I thought X3 was a nice mix of X1 and X2, with an extra flavor of "POW!POW!"-mutant-powers-action, a swing-and-miss (for the most part) of the original film and X2.


Oh, and I thought it was pretty apparent, even coming out of X2 in 2003, that Nightcrawler hadn't joined the X-Men or stayed with them or anything, as they never outright said he was, and as he didn't wear an X-Suit at the end, whereas Rogue and Iceman did. Thought that was pretty clear that he wasn't staying.


Yeah, and Kitty does look like a 10-year-old, but your view of her definitely changes if you see 'Hard Candy'.
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Atom - I'd agree that Ratner did an excellent job overall. There's moments of genius in the film (Xavier's death in particular is really quite beautiful - if you see what I mean).

Having thought about it, my main issues with the film are threefold:

• Dodgy script. Good in places ("not all of us heal as fast as you, Logan"), but super cliched in lots of other places ("if Magneto wants a war, we'll give him a war!"). Better than you'd expect from the writers of xXx2 and Elektra, but genearlly not a patch on X2 or even X1.

• Halle Berry. So many lines fall utterly flat, yet again, reminding me of that awful Toad one-liner in X1. She overacts horrendously, notably in that "Let's keep the school open chums!" scene.

• Vinnie frickin Jones. Juggernaut is a pretty simple character to pull off, but they messed up on every front. The muscle suit looks more like a fat suit, and Vinnie is utterly incapable of delivering his few lines. Maybe this is more apparent if you're English, but his line delivery really is appalling. I can't help but wonder why they didn't just hire a wrestler who is already massive - why hire an ex-football thug and stick him in a rubber fat suit?
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Having seen the film for a second time, it's actually grown on me a lot. The above three issues all still stand, but otherwise there's a lot of cool stuff in the film, when taken on its own terms. The deaths are all a lot more effective second time round, too.

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I thought it was alright. Good as a movie, but certainly not a cap for a "trilogy".

I felt the film didn't know whether or not the series was ending or not. Most of the main characters who died can be brought back: Prof. X- in the new body, Jean because... she's the phoenix, that's what they do... Cyclops, I've heard, is absorbed by Jean... either way, in the comic book world, if a character doesn't die on screen, they ain't dead.

Everybody who lost thier powers can be explained away with the chess piece at the end.

In other words, X4 could reverse everything from X3 if necessary, and that's why I wasn't impressed with it. It just seemed like a violent, mutant sitcom... status quo is disturbed, climax, and status quo returns to the same as before. Meh.

I did enjoy it though. Lots of cool action in that last bit... but has anyone noticed that all three movies follow the same kind of plotline, and the first and third end on an island with a big swirly thing that Wolverine must stop?
Posted: Tue, 30th May 2006, 3:06pm

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For me this did what terminator 3 did for the terminator series and what blade trinity did for the blade series. It's just awful, I find myself trying to make excuses for it to be a good movie, and it's not, this is no where near as good as the first two, I'll just pretend it doesn't exsist like blade 3 and T3, shame too, i was so looking forward to this. All that said, i know i'll watch it again in secret, shame on me for being a huge x men fan. On a brighter side they cant screw spiderman 3 up, good old rami won't let me down. The reasons i didn't like the movie much have been noted throughout the thread, btw make sure you watch pass the credits for the full film, obviously trying to be trendy and different by putting the punchline when everyone left the cinema is a new studio strategy, this was a needless thing to do in my opinion. eh well bring on the next one smile
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What was wrong with Blade: Trinity? I mean, well, besides a blind girl using a computer. biggrin
Posted: Tue, 30th May 2006, 4:12pm

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X Men 4 apperently....

http://www.themovieblog.com/archives/2006/01/fox_confirms_xmen_4.html

who knows of that means anything tho - most likely not...
here is random speculation put together from stuff

http://planetxmen.gamespy.com/View.php?view=XMenMovies.Detail&id=6&game=8

I dont see why they would show the thing with magneto moving the chess peice then the thing at the end of the credits if they weren't planning on a another one.....

time will tell.... i kind of hope there is a 4

-MAGIC
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i thought this film was very entertaining. i enjoyed alot of it. i agree with the majority, there were some bad plot lines (too many deaths) and the scripting was poor at best. e.g vinnie jone (juggernaut) - 'im the juggernaut bitch'. again storm dissapointed with her acting talents, and cyclops mite as well have not been in it for the amount the story relied on him.

i didnt see the scene after the credits, can somone tell me what happended, in detail, plz

many thanx if u cud...
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I'll explain what happened after the credits.

Remember about 15 minutes or so into the movie when Professor X was showing his students a video of Dr. Moira McTaggert, and he was saying what the line of ethics was. He went into further detail to say something like "the man in this video has no brain activity. Now what if we were to transplant a 40 year old man with cancer's thoughts into this man's body. Would that be ethical?" and then he got cut off.

Well after the credits, it cuts to the Dr. Moira standing in the room with the guy who has no brain, (you can't see his face) and he speaks in Patrick Stewart's voice, saying something like "Moira, I'm here." and the camera pans in on Moira's face and she says, in amazement, "....Charles?"

Then everything cuts to black, and the house lights in the theatre come up.
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thx matey thts a bit clearer now, still wish id seen it tho, mite catch it on the dvd


regards
Posted: Tue, 30th May 2006, 9:57pm

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i dont mid saying i absoulutly hated this film and even worst there going to do a sequel
Posted: Fri, 2nd Jun 2006, 12:03am

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VFXWorld has a good article on X3's visual effects and the 11 companies which created them. Free registration is required.
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I figure this is a good time to throw in my two cents about this movie.

I walked out after about 60 minutes, not because I hated it, but because I started to feel ill.

That being said, I really hated what I saw. So many bad lines, and uncharacteristic moves. If I had felt better, I'm sure I could have sat down and watched the whole movie, but with how bad I thought the first hour was, it was very easy to walk out of.
Posted: Sat, 3rd Jun 2006, 12:40am

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It was not so bad but it nver came near the first two. Not a very good script, bad character dead (cyclop, mystiic even Xavier...)... Some scene like the bridge one are useless.

I think about X4 they talk about the spin off they want to do. I hear they are in preparation of the wolverine movie and a magneto movie.

Shadu
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everyone who either said x3 was "OK" or "didnt meet expectations".....

YOURE ALL CRAZY!!!!
this is by far movie of the year...and one of the best ive ever seen. i mean just because "god forbid" one of your fav characters dies or loses their power all of a sudden its a bad movie? wuts that about and those who say "we didnt see enough powers" or "not enough of iceman turning ice"...if you think you could put those amazing looking effects into a movie more than they did then id like to see that.

bottom line - i could go on rebutting every single "bad movie" argument in this thread but 1 id be typing all night, 2 its not like im going to change nebodies mind, and 3 maybe im just a huge fan only seeing the best in the movie........so i guess ill leave this saying

X-MEN 3 WAS AWSOME, IM RIGHT AND THE REST OF THE WORLD IS WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: Fri, 9th Jun 2006, 9:16am

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Can you rebut the frequently cheesy and awkward dialogue, or Vinnie Jones' appalling acting?

Anyway, it's not about changing anybody's mind or convincing anybody that you're right or wrong. Not everybody has the same views on a movie, that's what makes debate interesting.

It's the concept of 'difference of opinion'. smile
Posted: Fri, 9th Jun 2006, 10:19am

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I'm all for debate but it was just a poor movie compared to X2 - thats a fact. smile
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I agree it was pretty poor in several places, though I enjoyed X3 - despite it's flaws.
Posted: Fri, 9th Jun 2006, 8:40pm

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What really makes the whole concept of the movie horrible is that the kid who can take away your mutant powers in the movie was only seen in one yes ONE of hundreds and hundrends of X-Men comics.

If they're making another one than maybe it should of been..

X-Men 3: The Second to Last Stand

Supposedly alot of people liked it since it made a load of money the opening weekend but no matter what people say I'll be insulted of the defilement of the great X-Men comics. mad

Even though they messed him up fromt the beginning the only charachter that was kept consistant in personality throughout the movies was Wolverine...

-Storm acted b*tchy compared to her coolness in the other two

-Rogue well she just acted stupid

-Kitty didn't even look like the same actor from the first one.

-Nightcrawler.. wtf? He wasn't in there! He was the best character in the 2nd one!

-Magneto completely disposed of Mystique abrubtly when they had a very close relation in the comics

Good action scenes though..
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SWG wrote:

What really makes the whole concept of the movie horrible is that the kid who can take away your mutant powers in the movie was only seen in one yes ONE of hundreds and hundrends of X-Men comics.
Uh......wrong.

Leech was in about 100 or so comics pertaining to the X-Men universe, almost every X-factor comic up until the late 1980s, not to mention a couple of other serials here and there. He didn't look like the kid in the movie, rather he was green, nose-less, and hung out with another purple-headed mutant named Artie who could project images of his thoughts.

Next time don't make such an outlandish statement if you're not sure about its truthfulness, because in this case, you're almost completely wrong. wink

Pretty much every new character in the movie was taken from somewhere along the way in the X-Men comic universe and revamped. Bolivar Trask, Moira McTaggert, the Sentinel in the beginning, and Leech are just a few. That's actually why I found this movie refreshing, they so subtly brought in so many comic-series veterans that it was fun for the fanboys to spot them. smile

Also, they got a newly discovered actress (who just had an AMAZING role in the movie "Hard Candy") to play Kitty, and I think she did it pretty well. I don't think they imagined making her bigger than an extra when they made the second movie, and even if they hadn't, the girl in X2 was onscreen for maybe 20 seconds, I doubt that many people noticed the difference.
Posted: Thu, 15th Jun 2006, 7:54pm

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x3 has me relly in 2 minds

the plot wos poor
the actin wos worse
the script wos useless, cheesy and tacky

and yet i cnt wait to get the dvd and wotch it agen

i found myself comin out of the cinema thinking wot a gr8 film and yet i cant name many positives other than the obviously amazin special effects.
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I enjoyed the film but it reminds me or mortal kombat 2 the movie. mk1 kicked ass and in part two the lines were so cheezy they sounded like they wanted to cater to little kids. The killing off of Cyclopes I mean common that sucks especially early in the movie. The part where storm flies off in the danger room looked so cg it was stupid. Their mission was to destroy this movie so future movies of it will never come. Juggernaut he didn’t have mutant powers did he? I thought he had a power from a crystal or rock and also was xaviors older brother o well hes the jugernout bitch lol. Everybody raves about the effects in the movie. I saw effects but lotr and other movies I have seen kicked this off to hell. They should have ended this movie with a cliffhanger that would be the way to go. Ending the xmen to bring forth new characters such as Electra and so on is pathetic. Now for the real question. Gambit was a major part of the team. Where the hell was that guy. If I would have directed it and had the budget these guys have I would have mad it go out with a bang. Killing off the xmen with such cheezy lines and visual effects sucks hairy monkey b---s. Now if i was to look at this movie as a first timer who didn’t know squat about the xmen I would say it was a cool story with cheezy lines. the story felt rushed as they were trying to make a 3 hr story and had little time to have it. Everything went quick. Also because i thoght it was a waste of 10.50 usd I stayed in the thearter to watch it a second time. Yes it's wrong but i justified it as pure justice.