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Suitable Product for Star Wars Movie

Posted: Mon, 29th May 2006, 2:28am

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King of Blades

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Hey, I'm a newbie, and I need someone's opinion on which product I should purchase. I'm making a Star Wars movie, and at first I thought that EffectsLab Pro would be suitable...

But from what I've seen in the cinema, there has been AlamDV, and others as well. Which one should I get??? Moderators, if this question has already been posted, please delete.
Posted: Mon, 29th May 2006, 2:42am

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brennanmceachran

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If you want to make a star wars movie then Effectslab is the way to go. How good would a star wars movie be without lightsabers??

AlamDV is the older verson of Effectslab. Effectslab is newer, better and is worth the purchase.

EDIT: I'm just saving up for it... try the demo see for yourself
Posted: Mon, 29th May 2006, 3:38am

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Harvey

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If you will be needing lightsabers and the like then go for EffectsLab. If you will need to be compositing footage shot on a green/blue screen then get CompositeLab. If you have the money, get VisionLab or both CompositeLab and EffectsLab DV/Pro. It really comes down to what you will need the most.
Posted: Mon, 29th May 2006, 4:23am

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rogolo

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No matter how much you want AlamDV, you can't get it. FXhome.com no longer sells that particular product. It developed into AlamDV2, then into Effects Lab, which was a HUGE leap in terms of quality and versatility. From that, they have made Effects Lab Pro, with more features and options, for a marginally higher price.

The only reason that so many videos in the cinema were made with AlamDV is because it has been out for longer, so more people have had more time to use it and make movies.

The real question you should be asking yourself is if you should get Composite Lab or Effects Lab, and in that case, I would suggest Effects Lab.
Posted: Mon, 29th May 2006, 5:14am

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Serpent

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If lightsabers are the only thing you need it for, then don't get EL. Get CLAB, in my opinion it is much much more useful. You can use it for compositing anything. You could make square lightsabers in CLAB if you're desperate. You could do muzzle flashes in CLAB (stock footage is superior anyways IMO.) You would miss out on particles and things like that, but stock footage can always be used. Now, if you take all this into effect, you would be missing one thing: lightsabers. You could always use GIMP or LSMaker (probably faster and easier.) You don't want AlamDV at all, it's useless, EL can do ANYTHING Alam can (except render suckily) and much much dear God much more. If I were you I'd get CLAB Pro, and then ELAB DV if you have money for it. That's my opinion.
Posted: Mon, 29th May 2006, 7:31pm

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brennanmceachran

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Serpent, just wanted to know how you would do lightsabers in CLAB? Would it just be an image of one, and then manipulate it using the quad?

P.S. I use LSMaker, it seems faster for me anyways.
Posted: Mon, 29th May 2006, 10:07pm

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Serpent

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Make a white shape at the same res as your video in an image editor. Import the shape then draw a mask around it. Check the green thing by the shape layer so it turns red. Now draw the mask around the blade to the end of the video. Check the shape so it appears again. Now, duplicate it 3 times with the mask (inverted mask). Now apple a gaussian blur of 2 for the 2nd layer, then gradually increase the blur as you go down in the layers. Do that until it looks good. To make a curved end you will have to actually draw a curve and select those points with a click and drag box selection unless you can find a way around it. Now, lastly add colour balance to the layers and make it all red for example. Do that for each layer. If this makes no sense to you I'll try to explain it better, but here are your layers:

WHITE SOLID 1 with inverted mask (you might want a small feather)
WHITE SOLID 2 Duplicate of layer 1 with a gaussian blur of a small number

WHITE SOLID 3 Same as 2 with an increased Gaussian blur
WHITE SOLID 4 Same as 2 and 3 with an even more increased Gaussian blur (blurs vary depending on how long the shot is or how close it is, mess around with it.)
VIDEO Layer This will have the physical lightsaber that you will base your mask off of. If you don't get the roto right the first time and you add a glow before you realize it, delete all of the glow layers and redo the roto, there is no other way around it. Then of course add masks when needed to the top layer (I think that affects all layers, but if not copy the mask and paste it into each layer.)

Hope this is useful for the desperate people. smile
Posted: Mon, 29th May 2006, 10:33pm

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brennanmceachran

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Sweet. Would this not let you go into more detail. Like in Effects lab you can hvae 4-point sabers, but in this you can have many more. Also have multy coloured sabers (although it would look ugly). Thanks.
Posted: Mon, 29th May 2006, 10:38pm

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Serpent

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Nah, EL can do the same thing but it has more efficient controls (auto tip curve, hilt curve, color gradients (multicoloured), and freehand glows. Try the demo, you might be interested, but if you really don't have money, this is something to try.
Posted: Mon, 29th May 2006, 10:43pm

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King of Blades

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Thanks for the answers... well, my problem of getting lightsaber effects is out of the way, I now face the problem of the proper environment! lol

PS: I've downloaded the demo of EffectsLab, but I can't seem to mask the prop sword I have with the saber effects...