You are viewing an archive of the old fxhome.com forums. The community has since moved to hitfilm.com.

Cover's Story

Posted: Wed, 31st May 2006, 11:04am

Post 1 of 199

Atom

Force: 4300 | Joined: 9th May 2004 | Posts: 7014

EffectsLab Lite User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Written, conceptualized, shot, and edited in one 24-hour period, "Cover's Story" is Atomic Productions' winning entry for the Dallas 24-Hour Video Race.

When his little brother is snatched, Jake Cover has only a short amount of time to collect the money needed to get him back. An examination of drama, determination, and the human condition, "Cover's Story" is probably one of the most intense projects we've ever undertaken.

Starting production at midnight, we were given a set of criteria to follow as well as a 5-minute time constraint. The needed prop was a measuring device, the location a statue, the line of dialogue "that's what I'm talking about", and "cover story" as a general theme. While most groups in the race took 'cover story' to mean something on the front of a newspaper, we put a different spin on it, which ultimately aided in our winning of first prize.

Many people put a great deal of labor and dedication into making and completing this project, so we hope you enjoy it.


More Info
Posted: Wed, 31st May 2006, 11:34am

Post 2 of 199

mattio

Force: 1334 | Joined: 8th Nov 2004 | Posts: 438

FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Nice work there Atom,

I really liked the story in this (although it was only 5 minutes) but it was very well put together. The sound effects need a bit of work. The rest is clean but the sound effects are muffled. Great use of focus aswell which gave it a real professional look. I thought the acting was brilliant and that it looked like he really DID lose his brother wink Everything was great appart from the sound. Probably because it was done in 24 hours razz

Also the camera at times was quite shaky, maybe try to keep it under control as much as possible.

Other than that I thought this was excellent and the story was great.

4/5 wink
Posted: Wed, 31st May 2006, 1:22pm

Post 3 of 199

Redhawksrymmer

Force: 18442 | Joined: 19th Aug 2002 | Posts: 2620

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 3 Pro User MuzzlePlug User PowerPlug User PhotoKey 3 Plug-in User FXhome Movie Maker FXpreset Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

Fantastic to be done in 24 hours! Some of the best acting I think we've seen at FXhome for a long time. It looked really professional. The beginning is magnificent. You might have already guessed this, but I'm giving it 5.
Posted: Wed, 31st May 2006, 3:20pm

Post 4 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

I did all the camerawork on this, and while some of it was overly, unintentionally shaky, most of the swaying was on purpose to convey a kind of 'eerie', impending doom effect. As captain of our team in the race, I was reallly amazed that we all pulled it together in such a short amount of time. The writing and acting is simply awesome, and for that we have to give props to my main man Brian, whom without this simply just wouldn't be as good.

The audio in the diner was actually dubbed over at the last second because the original was just too noisy, and we didn't come to that realization until well past 9:30pm the day of. wink

What you guys are seeing is the actual cut that we turned in, nothing added, nothing fixed; with the exception of the atomic logo and some credits at the end.

Altogether, thanks for the comments!
Posted: Wed, 31st May 2006, 7:43pm

Post 5 of 199

Evman

Force: 4382 | Joined: 25th Jan 2004 | Posts: 3609

VisionLab User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

Nicely done guys, I enjoyed this.

However, there are a few things holding me back from a 5:

The biggest and most obvious problem with this film is that I didn't really care about the characters or what happened to them. I know it's only 5 minutes, but perhaps some backstory would have helped the audience make connections and feel emotions for the characters.

The next big thing would be clarity. I found it very difficult to follow along with what was happening. I still don't understand why he robbed that woman. If there was something important written on that note I can't read it even on freeze frame. You understand what your story is, but we don't... fill us in a little bit.

Some of the acting was off, and very noticable. You started with an excellent performance of the robbery (truly excellent), and then the rest of the acting (most notably the woman) seemed a lot worse because of it.

There were some weird/corny sound effects, and it was a bit hard to understand. The diner in particular, and the exclusion of all sound during the voice overs was too sudden/abrupt.


That being said, theres a lot to like here. The overall editing was top notch (somethings i woulld have done differently, but nothing major). I really liked the robbery and its usage throughout the story (although I still don't understand it at all). The music was good, but not outstanding. The cinematography was good, but not up to your usual standards. The writing was good, but not standout. It had that kind of feeling where it's too bold for what it's actually saying. I guess thats because the whole idea to me seems kinda corny/over the top in the first place, but thats just me.

Overall, a very impressive effort, and definately impressive for a 24 hour period. I'd like to think what would happen if you had more time to develop the story. It's genuinely interesting and intriguing and would have benefitted from a true pre production phase. The aacting of the main character was truly the stand out of the movie. Kind of a shame that his best acting was put so early on... it made the rest seem kinda... low par.

Bottom line: Very nice project for a 24 hour time period, but could have been a real gem given more time.

4/5

EDIT:

I'd like you to know that I would have rated this a 3 had it not been a 24 hour competition. The effort you put in is what pushed it to a 4 for me.

Last edited Thu, 1st Jun 2006, 2:15am; edited 1 times in total.

Posted: Wed, 31st May 2006, 8:20pm

Post 6 of 199

Garrison

Force: 5404 | Joined: 9th Mar 2006 | Posts: 1530

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 2 Pro User MuzzlePlug User PowerPlug User PhotoKey 3 Plug-in User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

Definitely a worthy edition here on FX Cinema. Congratulations on taking First Place!

The Great
- Acting
- Locations
- The Editing and Flow
- The focus in the beginning with the clock
- I felt you established the bond between the younger brother and Jake in the diner given the amount of time. Sure, you could have done some flashbacks, but I felt it was more challenging to do it within the diner.
- The abduction with only the adult's hands in there was sudden and worked for me as a feeling of creepiness about it.


The Not-So-Great
- The dialogue was okay, but I'm not sure it fit. I don't know why it didn't. Maybe it was the choice of words, but I think with different dialogue, it would have added a lot more.

EDIT: I meant dialogue on the voice over portion.


Other than that guys, it's amazing what you pulled off in 24 hours!

5/5

Last edited Thu, 1st Jun 2006, 12:39am; edited 1 times in total.

Posted: Wed, 31st May 2006, 9:36pm

Post 7 of 199

the new godfather

Force: 130 | Joined: 10th Oct 2005 | Posts: 476

Windows User MacOS User

Member

Not bad at all.

Just a few things-
The audio was a little harsh in some areas and the transitions could be better when changing the audio.

Really like the shots and editing.

Great acting.

Some of the VO was a little essay-like but it sounded good.

The story could have developed a little bit more, why didnt he just go to the police...

Maybe he could have been left a cell phone or talked to the kidnappersso so we could know what the kidnappers ransom and plans were.

it seems hard to beleive that he could find that peice of trash on the ground...

good effort, good stuff



-the new godfather
Posted: Wed, 31st May 2006, 10:31pm

Post 8 of 199

Atom

Force: 4300 | Joined: 9th May 2004 | Posts: 7014

EffectsLab Lite User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Something I think I failed to mention:

While we were re-adjusting my room for the race, our Lacie HD bearing all of our sound effects, music, and alot of Splinter Cell fell, making a weird noise, and ultimately not-working. For this reason, I could only use what I found quickly on the internet. And, as the Sound Bunker is no longer up, I had to resort to lo-fi sample sounds.
Posted: Thu, 1st Jun 2006, 12:38am

Post 9 of 199

the new godfather

Force: 130 | Joined: 10th Oct 2005 | Posts: 476

Windows User MacOS User

Member

oooo...yeah *office space style*
Posted: Thu, 1st Jun 2006, 1:27am

Post 10 of 199

Aculag

Force: 8365 | Joined: 21st Jun 2002 | Posts: 8581

EffectsLab Lite User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

You guy's actually finished a movie? Amazing.

However, the movie itself is not. Sure it's impressive that you made it in 24 hours, but it seriously shows if you ask me. In watching it, it seems like no time passes at all. To me it looks like this guy went through practically no trouble to get the money and get it to the kidnappers. He basically found the note, whipped out his gun and robbed his friend. With a little montage inbetween. Obviously this kid is a fairly competent actor, so why not build the desperation more than three or four shots of him talking to people and walking around in the same general area?

This woman he stole the money from was obviously friends of the two brothers. If he would have just told her he needed the money because his little brother was kidnapped, I think she would have given it to him. That's just a logic thing, so it doesn't matter or anything.

You could have done more with this had you not had a 1:15 intro, and a 30 second ending monologue that is the same thing as the beginning. To me those two things seriously limited the story. Had you started with the brothers walking to the cafe, you could have had a lot more exposition between the time he gets kidnapped and the time he gets rescued.

The little brother is only kidnapped in this movie for 2 minutes. Seriously, had you done without the opening and closing monologue and showing the guy robbing the place first, you could have built far more tension given the extra 2 minutes you would have saved. In a short film like this, I think it's really best to have the titles run over the footage, rather than on black. Unless that's a limitation of the contest and I don't know that. You can save a lot of time that way.

Here's another little nitpick. The truck drives away, the guy stands there, turns around running and sees a crumpled up piece of paper on the ground. I would say the vast majority of desperate people would just run right past that, since it looks like trash in the street. (a) Why would the kidnappers leave a note like that when it's so easily looked over? (b) Why would he instantly think "OMG I need to pick that up"?
That just didn't make sense to me at all.

Otherwise, this is a pretty well composed short, though definitely lacking in a lot of areas, especially story wise. Which is a shame.

I'm gonna have to go with a 3 on this.

Edit: Also, you guys get a B- for being pretentious in your first post, for this hilarious little gem: "An examination of drama, determination, and the human condition" I don't ever say this, but LOL.
Posted: Thu, 1st Jun 2006, 1:35am

Post 11 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Thanks for your comments, Aculag.

This year for the video race, we filmed tons of scenes, about 5 of which were cut out. Why? Because last year's winners had fragmented editing and some time lapse, and to not include that in ours would mean a loss. This was especially important because we were competing against another guy frmo our group (who plays Fisher in SC).

Ultimately, in keeping the video fragmented, pretentious, and ambiguous, we played towards what we knew the judges liked; and got First Place, which was exactly what we set out to do. So, yeah, it has definite flaws, but in the context of how and why we included them it makes sense. Uh.....so yeah. smile
Posted: Thu, 1st Jun 2006, 1:52am

Post 12 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

In a sense, yes. The story is purposefully fragmented (starts with the end quote) and ambiguous. It was a strategy to win, which we basically did. It's not how I'd make all my movies, but in the time we had, I think we did just fine.
Posted: Thu, 1st Jun 2006, 2:02am

Post 13 of 199

Aculag

Force: 8365 | Joined: 21st Jun 2002 | Posts: 8581

EffectsLab Lite User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

Rating: +1

ben3308 wrote:

we played towards what we knew the judges liked
You'll fit in just fine with the hollywood crowd.
Posted: Thu, 1st Jun 2006, 2:11am

Post 14 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Aculag wrote:

ben3308 wrote:

we played towards what we knew the judges liked
You'll fit in just fine with the hollywood crowd.
Heh, like I said it's not what I'd usually do, but when you want to win, you do what you need to. smile
Posted: Thu, 1st Jun 2006, 2:19am

Post 15 of 199

Aculag

Force: 8365 | Joined: 21st Jun 2002 | Posts: 8581

EffectsLab Lite User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

If you ask me that's a pretty bad attitude, and I know this probably sounds like a pretty standard thing to say, but I don't really think it should be about winning. Sure winning is nice, but it's the experience that really matters.

What was the prize, by the way? Or did you already mention it?
Posted: Thu, 1st Jun 2006, 2:23am

Post 16 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Well, last year we lost to some other groups which I wasn't really a fan of, and we were all disheartened. So this year when one of our core members splits into his own group, it made it a more fun and competitive experience, which, in turn, made the want to win grow. I had a great time during the 24hrs and I think we have a great product, as well as the fact that we won.

Normally, I wouldn't have an "only in it to win it" attitude, it was just more suiting in this instance. I guess you would've had to have seen us last year in the race to understand. It was a mess.

Oh, and the prize was some useless budgeting and schedulign software called Gorilla 3. Basically, the real prize was simply saying we won.

EDIT: Thanks, shadowninja, for you vote, you comments over AIM, and for watching, they're all greatly appreciated.
Posted: Thu, 1st Jun 2006, 3:00am

Post 17 of 199

irishcult

Force: 1965 | Joined: 6th Jul 2005 | Posts: 440

CompositeLab Pro User EffectsLab Pro User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker FXpreset Maker Windows User

Gold Member

This was one of my favorite videos on fxhome so far. The story line yet not long and complex still had an edgy feeling to it and a conflict that most people could relate to making a view more involved. The camera work was good for the most part nothing to dramatical wrong with that, editing was quite good some of the post production sounds like the sound effect i feel could have blended in more but still really good, there was the one part in the diner where the background of the other customers could have been lower but i understand why its not its hard to have that much control when your still a "Armature Film Maker" just a suggestion for next time maybe using a microphone for the actors, the acting i personally thought was great on the part of the main character probably the best i have ever seen in an fxhome clip. Well keep up the great work and i hope to see more from you.

Irishcult
Posted: Thu, 1st Jun 2006, 3:26am

Post 18 of 199

NickD

Force: 2163 | Joined: 10th Sep 2003 | Posts: 1224

EffectsLab Lite User FXpreset Maker Windows User MacOS User

Gold Member

Simple, yet evocative. Very nice job. I really like it, though I think it could have been a lot better if

a) You used an external mic
b) You had used better sound FX

But these have already been mentioned, and since you did the whole thing in 24 hours, I give you a 5 smile

Cheers,
NickD
Posted: Thu, 1st Jun 2006, 3:34am

Post 19 of 199

the new godfather

Force: 130 | Joined: 10th Oct 2005 | Posts: 476

Windows User MacOS User

Member

you rearranged your room for the competition?


And in the shot from inside the suburban...um you can see two people filming, that sorta ruined it.
Posted: Thu, 1st Jun 2006, 4:01am

Post 20 of 199

Landon

Force: 670 | Joined: 12th Mar 2005 | Posts: 162

CompositeLab Pro User EffectsLab Lite User Windows User FXpreset Maker

Gold Member

That was pretty good. I liked it a lot. 4/5 from me!

By the way, my brother entered this competetion too and got 2nd. It was called 'tempus fugit', or 'time flies', if translated from Latin, done by 'Last Minute Movie Makers'. I'll see if he can put it up on the internet.

Anyways, nice job!

-Landon
Posted: Thu, 1st Jun 2006, 5:14am

Post 21 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Two things: godfather, how'd you know all that? Did you IM Atom or something? Yeah, the shot from the suburban was the only shot not frmo the GL2. As you said, you can see me filming the next angle that actually comes up in the movie.

Another thing, Landon, that's interesting that you brother placed, I had no idea anyone here lived in the immediate area. I saw tempus fugit, I thought it pretty good, though I didn't favor the harry potter looking guy. I loved the whole dropping the glass of water thing. It was pretty cool. Last Minute Movie Makers, right? They beat us to third last year, if I'm not mistaken. Something about dueling mailman of the week or something.

Well, whatever the case, thanks for the vote!
Posted: Thu, 1st Jun 2006, 6:06am

Post 22 of 199

ProFilms17

Force: 10 | Joined: 17th May 2006 | Posts: 42

Member

bad:
-gravy/chowder looked disgusting, change that i almost threw up
-"guy time", i kinda got the wrong impression
-uhh, why didnt he go to the police. duhh duh, im sure your local authorities would have helped you out
-too many "bens" in the credits, visually unappealing
- i would have brought some buddies and had them in the bushes, when i retrieve my friend/brother i would have them surround the suburban and let it rip (bash car up, baseball bats, crowbars) it would have given some room for expression of anger, he looks like a pussy when he just accepts the fact that someone took his brother from him
-it looked like he was friends with the lady, he could have just asked for the money, bit confused there

good:
-really funny when the kid got nabbed, nearly shit (why did it replace shi* automatically?) my pants
-funny part when he sat down in the street, not a smart thing to do lol
-good expression of the face, really felt the frustration of "misplacing" his small friend


all in all, i loved it, good job!!! 5/5

Posted: Fri, 2nd Jun 2006, 2:37am

Post 23 of 199

Atom

Force: 4300 | Joined: 9th May 2004 | Posts: 7014

EffectsLab Lite User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Thanks, all. We're all fairly proud of "Cover's Story" and think it came out pretty good.
Posted: Fri, 2nd Jun 2006, 2:37pm

Post 24 of 199

rypcat

Force: 285 | Joined: 17th Nov 2002 | Posts: 115

FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

The acting on the part of the main character was the best part of this; the other actors were not impressive and the plot was not really believable. I'm also not a fan of some of your shots and edits, though I really liked the when the main character says "could have run faster" and you cut with an excellent sound/visual combination. I don't like that you altered your movie so you would win, that goes against what I think true independent film is about. Overall, higher quality than most on this site, but lacking in several key areas.

Henry
Posted: Fri, 2nd Jun 2006, 4:15pm

Post 25 of 199

Mellifluous

Force: 5604 | Joined: 6th Oct 2002 | Posts: 3782

EffectsLab Pro User Windows User

Gold Member

As mentioned, the camerawork gets very shakey, more than was necessary, and there was some weird editing as he comes out of the shop and towards the car. Sound wasn't too good. I liked the depth of field you had in the cafe. But the story had no character development at all, and so I didn't get to empathise with anyone. Character development between Cover and the kid = "why are you eating gravy?". So do I care when he's kidnapped? No. The woman at the register could have had more development too. Instead of Cover just crying in the cash register scene, you could have had more conflict and then he gets the gun out as a last resort.

I disliked the voiceover, which I found a tad cliche and rather irritating. Instead of showing more insight into the character, you make it far too analytical and unrealistic. Instead of voicing Cover's thoughts and emotions, you have him saying this obnoxious stuff about time etc in a very self-important way, e.g. "measure youself against fate and embrace the numbness". Instead of spending time on the voiceover, you could have focused more on the storytelling and used the time device more to create a sense of urgency, have much faster camerawork rather than simply shakey, and faster cuts.
Posted: Fri, 2nd Jun 2006, 4:32pm

Post 26 of 199

Sollthar

Force: 13360 | Joined: 30th Oct 2001 | Posts: 6094

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 2 Pro User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

Hm, for some odd reason, I can't watch this. It freezes at about 2 minutes in.


The opening is indeed pretty moody, the acting is great. Can't see more of it though. :I
Posted: Fri, 2nd Jun 2006, 5:11pm

Post 27 of 199

Atom

Force: 4300 | Joined: 9th May 2004 | Posts: 7014

EffectsLab Lite User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Sollthar wrote:

Hm, for some odd reason, I can't watch this. It freezes at about 2 minutes in.


The opening is indeed pretty moody, the acting is great. Can't see more of it though. :I
Huh, that's very strange, as I have just opened it and it is working smoothly. Do you have the latest version of Quicktime?

Oh, and Mel....

Mellifluous wrote:

As mentioned, the camerawork gets very shakey, more than was necessary, and there was some weird editing as he comes out of the shop and towards the car. Sound wasn't too good.
I don't know if you are referring to the sound design, effects, or ambient/vocals, but as previously mentioned, we didn't have access to ANY of our music, sound effects, sound tools, etc. For this reason, our post-prod sound was very limited. As for ambient/vocals on-camera, we usually use our crew member Chase's mic. He had started his own group this year (which, might I add also had a great movie. It won 3rd place.) and so asking to borrow his mic was out of the question. smile The camerawork, with the exception of the ending running shots and the "could've moved faster......pushed harder" shots, which I shot, was done by Ben. He likes very gritty, shakey movement and sometimes looses a compromise of fluid and shakey. The editing outside the diner, it's weird? Some other people have said that, but I just don't see it. (Of course, I edited it, so I probably wouldn't wink ) Some people think a clip of Cover saying "No! Nooooooo!" is repeated, but it isn't they are just very similar.

I liked the depth of field you had in the cafe. But the story had no character development at all, and so I didn't get to empathise with anyone. Character development between Cover and the kid = "why are you eating gravy?". So do I care when he's kidnapped? No.
Unfortunately, this is one of the many constraints to only having 5 minutes for the movie. It leaves very little time for actual character development, but I think there is a general understanding that they are brothers, friends even, that they personally know the woman, which makes her hard to go to, but at the same time the it is the safest way to get the money.........recklessly. He asks her, but knows she won't put up a fight if he pulls a weapon. It kills him to do so, but the 3 voiceovers explain that there are measures of survival and preservation one must go to. That's our character development.
The woman at the register could have had more development too. Instead of Cover just crying in the cash register scene, you could have had more conflict and then he gets the gun out as a last resort.
This was actually filmed and meant for use, but timing pushed me to cut out almost all of the robbing scene to allow more of the uncut plea of Cover with the gun.

I disliked the voiceover, which I found a tad cliche and rather irritating. Instead of showing more insight into the character, you make it far too analytical and unrealistic. Instead of voicing Cover's thoughts and emotions, you have him saying this obnoxious stuff about time etc in a very self-important way, e.g. "measure youself against fate and embrace the numbness". Instead of spending time on the voiceover, you could have focused more on the storytelling and used the time device more to create a sense of urgency, have much faster camerawork rather than simply shakey, and faster cuts.
I disagree. The voiceover, in our intent, was used to vehicle the idea of urgency while weighing it with how one must 'wait' until the necessary course of action is available. There were 3 voiceovers. The first one was meant to establish the idea of time. That was the sole purpose of it, time. The second was to define the character as being named "Cover", establishing the used theme of "Cover Story", while speaking of moments "that measure who and to what lengths you would go to for survival." This, as well as all the voiceovers (2 of which were not used at all) had much time and deliberation put into the writing of them, to make them the most powerful and least cliche. For this reason, I fail to see how this is cliche. I understand how it might be irritating, but I feel that the 3 voiceover came out as powerful, understandable, and pertainant to the plot as possible, as well as being (IMO) very poetic. The voiceovers establish a world outside that of the plot's, but are still meant to forward the storytelling. They aren't meant to be self-important, but rather used to explain the actions of "Cover" in this situation. Let's not forget also, there's only a measure of how 'deep' or 'character-developed' a 5-minute film can get. wink


Thanks for the constructive criticism, Mel. Always a pleasure. smile
Posted: Fri, 2nd Jun 2006, 5:52pm

Post 28 of 199

CX3

Force: 3137 | Joined: 1st Apr 2003 | Posts: 2527

EffectsLab Lite User VideoWrap User MacOS User FXhome Movie Maker

Gold Member

Man, will people get off their backs?? haha. Atom, for what this film is, I think it is an easy 5 in my book. If you go into this movie looking for character development and a crazy deep academy award winning plot, of course youre going to have some complaints.. Im sure had they had more time on this film (say a month), the editing, story, acting ect, im sure would have all been improved in some way. But I mean, they did this in 24hours... I wasnt even expecting it to be half is good as it was (and not because of your skills guys, only because of the time constraint). So everytime some1 complains, about development in particular, it makes me chuckle (no offense to those people either!). Anyways, hats off to you all from me.
Posted: Sat, 3rd Jun 2006, 3:08am

Post 29 of 199

RudyPicardo

Force: 1016 | Joined: 18th Jun 2003 | Posts: 240

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User MacOS User

Gold Member

Atom:

I really liked the twist of the story, as I too would have taken the contest title in a more literal fashion. I thought the story was pretty good. It would have been really easy for me to criticize the film, but then I started thinking....

The average ameracan spends 3 hours in front of a television, 8 hours sleeping, and 8 hours at work. Some would argue that the average american wastes most of their time.

These four guys spent 24 consecutive hours making a film.

While I worked, Atom and Ben were trying to figure out how to write, pre-produce, shoot, edit, and produce a film in 24 hours. While "Billy bob" watched Jerry Springer, Jeff was busying trying to handle logistics of shooting in a public area. While you slept, these guys forged a film together, running purely on adrenaline and energy drinks. While even independent films have the luxury of a budget to make films, these guys created something from only a theme, prop, location, and line of dialogue.

These guys believe that its never to EARLY to join the digital revolution

Or maybe I'm wrong.

Maybe I should just tell him just the bad parts about the film. Of course, I doubt I'd be taken seriously; my submissions were never that great; so how can I be regarded as a respected critic?

Maybe I should just tell him he should only make films that are of his age group. Of course, when I was a teenager, all I thought about was getting laid, how to get my parents off my back, and what happened to recess. So maybe he should just stop challenging himself from making movies like this.


think

Naaaaaahhhhhhhh


I can't criticize this film, because I really can't grasp how hard this really must have been. Keep on doing what you're doing guys. I'm glad that you guys seem to have a good understanding of the broader theme.
Posted: Sat, 3rd Jun 2006, 3:53am

Post 30 of 199

LilCaesars

Force: 480 | Joined: 27th Dec 2004 | Posts: 530

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User MacOS User

Gold Member

I really liked this guys. This was incredibly well done, especially for 24 hours. I oved the beginning and then flashing back and explaining the story. The acting was superb and I thought the sound was good for what you've said you had to work with. I really liked this film keep up the good work.

Last edited Sat, 3rd Jun 2006, 12:23pm; edited 1 times in total.

Posted: Sat, 3rd Jun 2006, 7:36am

Post 31 of 199

Aculag

Force: 8365 | Joined: 21st Jun 2002 | Posts: 8581

EffectsLab Lite User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

Rating: -1

RudyPicardo wrote:

These four guys spent 24 consecutive hours making a film.
No they didn't. There is no way this movie took 24 hours to make. It was just made within the 24 hour time period. It's easy, and as far as I'm concerned, it can be done far better.
Posted: Sat, 3rd Jun 2006, 10:03am

Post 32 of 199

Bryce007

Force: 1910 | Joined: 5th Apr 2003 | Posts: 2609

VideoWrap User Windows User

Gold Member

I liked this, but it froze on me, so I had to restart it multiple times.

a little too handheld for my taste in places, but the majority of it was dang good. The acting for the main character was Excellent in most places. The sound..well.. not this films strongest aspect, but the overall film was definately better than most attempting the same thing. 4/5
Posted: Sat, 3rd Jun 2006, 12:35pm

Post 33 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Aculag wrote:

RudyPicardo wrote:

These four guys spent 24 consecutive hours making a film.
No they didn't. There is no way this movie took 24 hours to make. It was just made within the 24 hour time period. It's easy, and as far as I'm concerned, it can be done far better.
How do you know that? No, honestly, how? I mean, unless you were actually here, at my house, writing annd producing the movie with us. But no, you weren't, now were you?

Last edited Sat, 3rd Jun 2006, 6:11pm; edited 1 times in total.

Posted: Sat, 3rd Jun 2006, 12:53pm

Post 34 of 199

Sollthar

Force: 13360 | Joined: 30th Oct 2001 | Posts: 6094

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 2 Pro User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

Aight, I've redownloaded it and it worked.

First of all, kudos for pulling that off in such a short amount of time. If this took 24 hours from the idea to the finished product, then it's really pretty good.

Story:
The story was really simple, yet made a lot more interesting with how you presented it... The amazing beginning, the voiceover, the slow start and the point where it gets back to the beginning.
There are some questions left open to me (where did he get the gun from? What kind of Kidnappers want 450 dollars????? What kind of kidnappers would just drive back with the car, get the money and leave?) which led it down again.
The writing of the narration was well done. I liked what he said!

Acting:
Yes! Your main actor is good. No doubt about that. It's great to see proper acting in a film and the acting is what made this work on a higher level then other similar productions. Allthough the mentioned sounddesign letdown at "No no no no no" was a bit meh, but still, I believed his emotions for the most part, which was great!

camera:
Well, this is a mixed bag. Certain shots show an understanding of cinematography. Good angles, good lighting setup, good framing, good contrast etc... Others though miss just that... crossing the line mistakes, weird framing, shakey cam at dramatic absolutely unfitting moments (a shakey cam where he follows the car is great! A shakey cam at a dramatic moment where he holds his brother is totally wrong)

Sound:
Sound was good! I could understand what they were saying, there was actual background ambience noise and the soundeffects didn't sound recorded. The music worked well and you stitched it together well.


Overall:
My overall impression was mixed. Parts worked so well I was totally drawn into it. Other parts put me off the film.
All in all, this is a solid piece of work, which misses "great" because of nomerous little things that add up during the film.

It would be a 3/5 if you spent more time on it, but seeing it was done in 24 hours, it adds up to a 4/5

Well done!
Posted: Sat, 3rd Jun 2006, 4:43pm

Post 35 of 199

Atom

Force: 4300 | Joined: 9th May 2004 | Posts: 7014

EffectsLab Lite User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Sollthar wrote:

Aight, I've redownloaded it and it worked.

First of all, kudos for pulling that off in such a short amount of time. If this took 24 hours from the idea to the finished product, then it's really pretty good.
Thanks very much. It's nice to hear that, truly. We were in a very competitive state with my friend, Chase, who's team got 3rd place, and it's always nice to hear some kudos after all the tension during. I like to address reasons or thanks for any and all comments, so lemme break this up.

Story:
The story was really simple, yet made a lot more interesting with how you presented it... The amazing beginning, the voiceover, the slow start and the point where it gets back to the beginning.
There are some questions left open to me (where did he get the gun from? What kind of Kidnappers want 450 dollars????? What kind of kidnappers would just drive back with the car, get the money and leave?) which led it down again.
The writing of the narration was well done. I liked what he said!
In the full, un-fragmented, linear version of the film, we shot and had called for pulling the gun out of a bottom sock drawer, and revealing how poverish Cover is. We even filmed a whole scene of him and his brother coming out of a real halfway house and talking about having enough money to get what they wanted for breakfast. (I used this of him coming out of the house in the beginning, where his brother says faintly "got money?") We wanted to display that he was a normal, middle-lower class person. He has enough money to present himself, take care of his family, but not much left over. We thought $450 was a good ammount because it's a realistic number. If you live in a ghetto, which we live on the outskirts of one in real life, and you know these things do happen in real life, and you know that putting some outrageous number like even as low as $10,000 isn't gonna happen. And......it doesn't. Our idea with the kidnappers was: keep it mysterious, keep it simple. What kind of kidnappers ask for money, take it, and give back the kid without harm? The kind that want the money. We didn't want to make them killers, because that brings in the possiblity of being a pedophile, which we didn't want to get into. Also, we filmed completely on the streets, straight-up-guerilla, so moving the car really really fast and having alot of confrontation wasn't really possible. The final scene is actually at this ghetto convent for pregnant teenagers........and they didn't like two guys in the middle of entryway "hugging". smile

Acting:
Yes! Your main actor is good. No doubt about that. It's great to see proper acting in a film and the acting is what made this work on a higher level then other similar productions. Allthough the mentioned sounddesign letdown at "No no no no no" was a bit meh, but still, I believed his emotions for the most part, which was great!
Thanks, we are very proud of our actors. Brian, the lead, didn't really get into acting until we met him with 'The Friendship' and 'Splinter Cell', so he's a very talented person for not even being an actor by profession until recently. I didn't want to edit the "NO! no! noooooo!" that much (even though I know it's weird sounding) because he TRUTHFULLY had such emotion in the scene that people on both sides of the block were coming out into the street each take saying "Oh my god!" and coming to comfort and help him. That actually slowed us down alot, too. smile


camera:
Well, this is a mixed bag. Certain shots show an understanding of cinematography. Good angles, good lighting setup, good framing, good contrast etc... Others though miss just that... crossing the line mistakes, weird framing, shakey cam at dramatic absolutely unfitting moments (a shakey cam where he follows the car is great! A shakey cam at a dramatic moment where he holds his brother is totally wrong)
Like I said, none of the locations were previously snagged for use, so we were kind of "imposing" on people to use them, and thus it was really "shoot quickly. VERY QUICKLY. And go." Also, we filmed almost completely on a single, 8-lane, busy busy street-highway, and stopping traffic was a luxury we didn't really have. (Although, myself and another crew member Jeff damn tried our best to jump in front of cars and hold up a palm in mid-shot) Ben loves freehand cam, he thinks it adds such a technique to film, and sometimes he gets carried away with it. The last shot isn't meant to be that shakey.......but it's 24 hours, and once you've got the shot in.....you use it.

Sound:
Sound was good! I could understand what they were saying, there was actual background ambience noise and the soundeffects didn't sound recorded. The music worked well and you stitched it together well.
Finally a good sound comment. smile I tried to work heavily (Without the assistance of my extensive SFX and music collection or a nice mic) on the sound to make it as powerful as possible. I also want to add a very special thanks to Rudy Picardo for his music in the kidnapping scene, called "Dark Alley". (Which I didn't have time to ask for prior. confused ) and Sean Beeson for the very awesome for song, "Afternight".

Overall:
My overall impression was mixed. Parts worked so well I was totally drawn into it. Other parts put me off the film.
All in all, this is a solid piece of work, which misses "great" because of nomerous little things that add up during the film.

It would be a 3/5 if you spent more time on it, but seeing it was done in 24 hours, it adds up to a 4/5

Well done!
Thanks, again, very much. I know how the little things add up, so I'm glad you took into account the time in which we made this, and took the time to make such an insight and detailed comment on it. Thanks.

Oh, and I almost forgot, but I think I should address this:

Aculag wrote:

RudyPicardo wrote:

These four guys spent 24 consecutive hours making a film.
No they didn't. There is no way this movie took 24 hours to make. It was just made within the 24 hour time period. It's easy, and as far as I'm concerned, it can be done far better.
You know what? I'm getting sick of this. Recently, it seems as if you just try to find a reason to tell people putting up good comments on our stuff that they are wrong. Now, I'm not trying to say our stuff is great, or even good, but I know it's not terrible, and you pushing everybody who says something positive or good down as if they are completely offbase is just plain sad. Maybe it's for your own benefit, maybe it isn't. I don't know, but we aren't at the same level, same age, same place, same life, so I see no reason to want us to do badly. I'm 16, I don't have a career, I don't have a stable job, I don't have a car, and I can't just go out and be taken seriously in public holding a camera because I'm so young. We would make a better film if we could, but at the time and even now, I can't. Everything can always be done better, but that's no reason to say it so blatantly. I'm not trying to grandstand this film, and you downplaying our movie that we did work very hard on is not only outrageously rude, but completely unnecessary. You made your comment, I responded, took it as advice, and that's the end of it. Coming back because you don't like how some else feels about our film is as wrong as if you had rated it a 0 to bring it down in the ratings. Simply, it just isn't right. It's uncalled for, and it irritates me that such a good filmmaker as yourself would be so outright rude. Surely, I know you do, have some common courtesy. We've made mistakes, but you've done this in the recent past, and it's not beneficial to anyone except maybe you. Thanks, though, for the previous comment.
Posted: Sat, 3rd Jun 2006, 6:43pm

Post 36 of 199

Mellifluous

Force: 5604 | Joined: 6th Oct 2002 | Posts: 3782

EffectsLab Pro User Windows User

Gold Member

With the sound, there's quite a bit where the dialogue is muffled. After rewatching twice, the sound crapness could be caused by compression.

With the diner scene, we see him coming out running after the car (I think it's a rear shot) - "John, no!" - and then you cut to him again from the front where he's static, then he begins to run - "John, no!". It's quite disjointed, that whole segment.

A pity you couldn't incorporate the extra strands. Good points about time limit (this is more convincing for me than the made-in-24-hours argument) and you obviously thought about how to best tell the story. I acknowledge that, and your point about conveying a sense of having to wait is valid. I still feel though the voiceover slows the story down and detracts from the sense of urgency; it had me thinking that it could have been told visually or via interaction, and made me think that you were literally stating a lot of stuff for the judges such as measuring time and "This is Jack Cover. This is my story". It was contrived a little, then, so that you seem to be essentially playing to the judges and not so much an audience. Another reason why I probably don't like the voiceover is it's the main character narrating when really it feels more like 3rd person (or God perspective). It's being very reflective and it doesn't reveal what the character is feeling onscreen, and likewise doesn't reveal anything about what the character is doing now, as in after the events. It's good writing, just for me in the wrong context. I'll shut up now though otherwise I'll give the impression I'm being picky (eh eh eh CX3 wink )

Congratulations for winning! smile What I'm trying to say is it's a good response to the stimuli, and you did very well in that context. I really want to see something else you guys have taken a long time over because I do think it should be good.

Last edited Sat, 3rd Jun 2006, 6:45pm; edited 1 times in total.

Posted: Sat, 3rd Jun 2006, 6:43pm

Post 37 of 199

Evman

Force: 4382 | Joined: 25th Jan 2004 | Posts: 3609

VisionLab User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

Atom wrote:



Aculag wrote:

RudyPicardo wrote:

These four guys spent 24 consecutive hours making a film.
No they didn't. There is no way this movie took 24 hours to make. It was just made within the 24 hour time period. It's easy, and as far as I'm concerned, it can be done far better.
You know what? I'm getting sick of this. Recently, it seems as if you just try to find a reason to tell people putting up good comments on our stuff that they are wrong. Now, I'm not trying to say our stuff is great, or even good, but I know it's not terrible, and you pushing everybody who says something positive or good down as if they are completely offbase is just plain sad. Maybe it's for your own benefit, maybe it isn't. I don't know, but we aren't at the same level, same age, same place, same life, so I see no reason to want us to do badly. I'm 16, I don't have a career, I don't have a stable job, I don't have a car, and I can't just go out and be taken seriously in public holding a camera because I'm so young. We would make a better film if we could, but at the time and even now, I can't. Everything can always be done better, but that's no reason to say it so blatantly. I'm not trying to grandstand this film, and you downplaying our movie that we did work very hard on is not only outrageously rude, but completely unnecessary. You made your comment, I responded, took it as advice, and that's the end of it. Coming back because you don't like how some else feels about our film is as wrong as if you had rated it a 0 to bring it down in the ratings. Simply, it just isn't right. It's uncalled for, and it irritates me that such a good filmmaker as yourself would be so outright rude. Surely, I know you do, have some common courtesy. We've made mistakes, but you've done this in the recent past, and it's not beneficial to anyone except maybe you. Thanks, though, for the previous comment.
If you really have faith in your film, what he says shouldn't matter.

Right now, you're proving him right: You would fit in with the Hollywood crowd... confused
Posted: Sat, 3rd Jun 2006, 6:53pm

Post 38 of 199

Mr Pencil

Force: 396 | Joined: 8th Jul 2004 | Posts: 367

Windows User

Member

ben3308 wrote:

Aculag wrote:

ben3308 wrote:

we played towards what we knew the judges liked
You'll fit in just fine with the hollywood crowd.
Heh, like I said it's not what I'd usually do, but when you want to win, you do what you need to. smile
You're selling out too young.
And Atom, your comment on Aculag sounds like a miniature version of Vincent Gallo getting pissed off at Roger Ebert.

Good job with this though. I was impressed. Most of the mistakes I found are already posted. It's hard to say you could have made a better story for this becuase I'm not really sure how long you had to spend on it, but really, he doesn't have to rob a friend like that. Good work.

3/5
Posted: Sat, 3rd Jun 2006, 7:49pm

Post 39 of 199

wdy

Force: 1700 | Joined: 30th Dec 2002 | Posts: 1258

CompositeLab Lite User EffectsLab Lite User MacOS User

Gold Member

Good job! Congrats on your accomplishment.

Some advice:

Make sure you monitor and edit your audio levels properly in post.. going between camera's during speach your audio levels seemed to be bumping up and down.

When the boy got kidnapped and it went back to naration and the ambient sound was cut out.. i personally would of left it in but put it at BG level with the naration over top.

Overall.. good job! 3/5
Posted: Sat, 3rd Jun 2006, 8:55pm

Post 40 of 199

Aculag

Force: 8365 | Joined: 21st Jun 2002 | Posts: 8581

EffectsLab Lite User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

ben3308 wrote:

How do you know that? No, honestly, how? I mean, unless you were actually here, at my house, writing annd producing the movie with us. But no, you weren't, now were you?
Alright, I don't KNOW that, but the fact that it looks like this was shot over maybe 2 or 3 hours in the mid to late morning says it didn't take very long to film, etc. etc.

Why don't you prove to me that you spent every single second of 24 hours making this movie, then I'll shut up.

Atom, I'm just commenting and using this here discussion forum to discuss my opinion, just like everyone else. I know you guys take negative criticism pretty hard most of the time, and feel the need to strike back, but really, I'm just commenting and critiquing what I see. I'm sorry you don't appreciate my opinion, but at least I take the time to explain why I feel the way I do about your movie and not just say "lol what that movie sucks" like some people would.

If you would like to continue this "argument" please contact me outside of the forums. I don't want to take up anymore space with this.
Posted: Sat, 3rd Jun 2006, 9:23pm

Post 41 of 199

Evman

Force: 4382 | Joined: 25th Jan 2004 | Posts: 3609

VisionLab User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

Okay, now I know you guys have this pshychological complex where you can't not be first, but rating your own movie a 5 to keep it aloft once you realize it's dipping dangerously close to number 2 in the cinema is pretty lame if you ask me...
Posted: Sat, 3rd Jun 2006, 9:51pm

Post 42 of 199

Analogica Productions

Force: 0 | Joined: 16th Apr 2006 | Posts: 7

Member

Briliant!
Made in 24h! surprised
The acting of the lead actor was great!

Just one thing biggrin
I found it a bit unusual that he was "packing" smile
That gun came out of nowhere razz

Anyhow...one of the best little films i found on this site!

Keep them comming!
Posted: Sat, 3rd Jun 2006, 10:05pm

Post 43 of 199

Atom

Force: 4300 | Joined: 9th May 2004 | Posts: 7014

EffectsLab Lite User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Evman wrote:

Okay, now I know you guys have this pshychological complex where you can't not be first, but rating your own movie a 5 to keep it aloft once you realize it's dipping dangerously close to number 2 in the cinema is pretty lame if you ask me...
Wow. I don't have any pschological complex, infact I voted my own movie after I had observed others reactions, but far before it "dipped". IMO, there's nothing wrong with voting for your own film, as long as it truthfully reflect how you think the movie came out. You always have this hangup with me as if I'm some sort of elitist-wannabe, which I'm not. I could care less about being ranked on a free internet forum and, I think it's funny how you of all people, the person who is 2nd, thinks that I'd be "dipping" to when you get 1st in the top 8, is remarking on this. To me, this seems very spiteful and petty. But, enough of all that, it's really no big deal to me, and I'd rather not bog down the forums.

Analogica: Thanks very much for the positive comments. We'll try to keep them coming. wink Ever heard of the videogame Splinter Cell?

Last edited Sat, 3rd Jun 2006, 10:07pm; edited 1 times in total.

Posted: Sat, 3rd Jun 2006, 10:06pm

Post 44 of 199

Aculag

Force: 8365 | Joined: 21st Jun 2002 | Posts: 8581

EffectsLab Lite User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

Atom, you rated the movie 8 hours ago. It "dipped" yesterday.

Also, Shammy Boys was in the lead at that time, not Word and Deed.

Also!

Atom wrote:

I could care less about being ranked on a free internet forum
I think it's obvious that you could care less about it, since you rated your own movie a 5.
Posted: Sat, 3rd Jun 2006, 10:17pm

Post 45 of 199

Sollthar

Force: 13360 | Joined: 30th Oct 2001 | Posts: 6094

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 2 Pro User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

as long as it truthfully reflect how you think the movie came out.
Who doesn't like his own film? smile

Allthough voting a 5 on your own work means it's way above everything else in the cinema and there is little room for improvement. So the "sort of elitist-wannabe" does come across a slight bit understandable, no? wink
Posted: Sat, 3rd Jun 2006, 10:35pm

Post 46 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Sollthar wrote:

Allthough voting a 5 on your own work means it's way above everything else in the cinema and there is little room for improvement.
Several people came home right after final exams, waited 'til midnight, and then spent the NEXT 24 hours making a movie; ultimately spending about 30 to 40-something hours awake and making a grueling effort to get something done.

SURELY that warrants a five.

I'm still a little surprised the some of the only people who voted below a four on this movie (Aculag and Evman) are criticising Atom for voting a 5. He waited until about 20 people had voted, and upon finding that "five" was the general consensus, he felt it appropriate to vote. This had nothing to do AT ALL with being number one, RudyPicardo's vote had already done that.

Just trying to clarify here, not start flaming. I can't stand all the animosity that sits between evman and atom and aculag and (hopefully not) me. I'm just not getting where it's coming from.

Okay, now that I've put that away, I'm considering doing an audio commentary/making of with atom and some of the other guys. Would anybody watch this if it were made?
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 12:02am

Post 47 of 199

sk8npirate

Force: 590 | Joined: 28th Feb 2004 | Posts: 757

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User

Gold Member

This was awesome for being made in 24 hours(or less). It looks great and the acting was surprisingly good. I enjoyed it and it had a certain power to it. Good job and keep up the good work!
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 12:38am

Post 48 of 199

Bryce007

Force: 1910 | Joined: 5th Apr 2003 | Posts: 2609

VideoWrap User Windows User

Gold Member

It's Not what you know. It's what you can prove.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 12:45am

Post 49 of 199

Aculag

Force: 8365 | Joined: 21st Jun 2002 | Posts: 8581

EffectsLab Lite User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

ben3308 wrote:

He waited until about 20 people had voted, and upon finding that "five" was the general consensus, he felt it appropriate to vote.
Voting on your own film, and especially rating it so high is generally looked down upon around here, unless something has changed drastically that I wasn't aware of. That's the biggest reason.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 1:29am

Post 50 of 199

the new godfather

Force: 130 | Joined: 10th Oct 2005 | Posts: 476

Windows User MacOS User

Member

good point
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 2:48am

Post 51 of 199

ther2kglitch

Force: 200 | Joined: 4th Oct 2005 | Posts: 14

EffectsLab Lite User

Gold Member

Enjoyed the flick.

Also enjoying the "voting for yourself" debate going on here. Some people take this way too seriously...

I mean, I know its a big deal to argue about movies showing on the internet because most of them are totally going to be nominated for Academy Awards and all...oh, wait...

Quit bitching and watch the movies.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 3:05am

Post 52 of 199

NickD

Force: 2163 | Joined: 10th Sep 2003 | Posts: 1224

EffectsLab Lite User FXpreset Maker Windows User MacOS User

Gold Member

Check out Sollthar's profile. He's voted on his own movies. Nobody seems to mind that.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 5:20am

Post 53 of 199

Evman

Force: 4382 | Joined: 25th Jan 2004 | Posts: 3609

VisionLab User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

And by caring about what I said and arguing about it, they've proved me right again.

Ben -

So we find out the makers of Gigli made it in only 24 hours... so it's all of a sudden worthy of the highest possible rating for a film simply because people... worked on it?
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 5:45am

Post 54 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Evman wrote:

And by caring about what I said and arguing about it, they've proved me right again.

Ben -

So we find out the makers of Gigli made it in only 24 hours... so it's all of a sudden worthy of the highest possible rating for a film simply because people... worked on it?
Who has proved you right? And, for that matter, proved what right?

Your Gigli analogy is ineffective. It was made by professionals, who neglected to make the movie to the best of their ability, who have committed their careers to making movies.

As a student team, and for 24 hours, I found it miraculous- yes, miraculous- that we pulled off a movie of this quality. In this context - the independent, guerilla filmmaker trying to make a movie to the best of his knowledge and ability in 24 hours- it is reasonable to vote for your own movie with such a high rating.

For one thing, I don't think at all that this movie isn't worthy of a five. People obviously agree, just look at the votes. So why does it cause such an uproar when another five is added? I gave you the reason why Atom voted for our movie, and you rebutted with the Gigli response. Gigli praised itself, along with most- if not all- other reviewers and critics considering it utter crap. Now let's minimize the scale of the professional critics to people at FXHome. First, the critics rank the movie substantially high, THEN we praise ourselves. I don't really see how this is the same.

Hopefully you'll understand what I'm trying to say here. biggrin
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 6:24am

Post 55 of 199

Evman

Force: 4382 | Joined: 25th Jan 2004 | Posts: 3609

VisionLab User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

Rating: +1

ben3308 wrote:



For one thing, I don't think at all that this movie isn't worthy of a five. People obviously agree, just look at the votes.
Not to sound conceited or anything.

I've already mentioned why I don't believe this movie is worthy of a five... actually, Aculag said it better. Mostly, whats pissing me off, as usual, is the thing that both you and your brother seem to have of declaring your movie amazing and then getting pissed when some people don't agree.

If your movie is truly good, it will be number 1 without your votes, so why even bother, if you are so confident in your "miraculous" "effort" (don't even get me started about effort)...?

As for "First, the critics rank the movie substantially high, THEN we praise ourselves. I don't really see how this is the same. "... well the movie discription you submitted before you got feedback sure sounds like praise to me...

Filmmakers are too attached to their movies to judge them accurately, and those who submit to the hype of their own movies quickly become full of themselves.

Man this is gonna get ugly soon.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 6:46am

Post 56 of 199

Serpent

Force: 5426 | Joined: 26th Dec 2003 | Posts: 6515

CompositeLab Pro User EffectsLab Pro User FXhome Movie Maker FXpreset Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

Why do you vote your own movie a 5 in the first place. It's stupid voting on it at all. You know people will hate you for it and possibly rate your film down for it and it causes stupid arguments/flames and ends up making you look like an ego freak. In the future, don't vote on your films. I think some of the top 10 flame wars here have come from that. It's really looked down upon, an unwritten rule if you will.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 7:04am

Post 57 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Howsa 'bout we pick up where we left off about two pages back:

Voting on your own movie is taboo, but we did it anyways. Who really cares, Sollthar does it, and nobody says anything. Let's all just forgive and forget here.

The description is worded eloquently, and apparently that's bad, because it is praising the movie. Apparently, putting effort into something doesn't allow you to make a vote based upon that context. So sue me.

Sorry if this movie seems to be grandstanded or oversold, but I doubt that's the case here. Maybe we can all make peace, I certainly didn't want any of the conflict with Aculag and Evman and whoever else comes along when I posted it on here. Let's just all be friends now, I'm certainly ready for it, and the inherent arguing that seems to unravel after every one of our movie submissions is becoming intolerable. I can understand why people who've spent more time on movies that are doing worse in the cinema would feel angry towards this movie, especially because it has flaws; but ultimately everyone gets their own vote. That's how things work. I'm sure if the mods didn't want people to be able to vote on their own movie they wouldn't made that feature. So yeah.

Semper fi to filmmaking, you guys. Semper fi to filmmaking.

Oh, and Evman, why so provocative? I don't have a problem with you- American Idiots 2 is in my personal top ten- so why do you have a problem with me, and the stuff I've done? It's as of you're the Bryce0007 to my American Idiots. We started off the thread all nice, but come your second reply things turned uglier and uglier. If you walk into a thread with a bad attitude, ain't much changing that. My only question is....why?

Is it because you think I'm full of myself? Because I'm not. The whole part of your post saying "not to sound conceited"....that's pretty much acting like a smartass if you ask me, and that's uncalled for in my book. When I try and explain something, I get skewered because people read it out of context.

Let's just start over. Fresh, and new. Right now....................so who liked the movie? biggrin
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 8:37am

Post 58 of 199

Bryce007

Force: 1910 | Joined: 5th Apr 2003 | Posts: 2609

VideoWrap User Windows User

Gold Member

Rating: +1

I believe I was just used in context (Which I'm fine with..)...However, I'd like to clarify I DID end up watching american idiots 2 in it's entirety, and turns out, It was pretty entertaining occasionally.


I still can't get this movie to work properly, as it freezes on mid-way..Maybe a re-download will work..

I'd Also like to point out that I'm the best filmmaker on this site.



(Just kidding...Calm down..)
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 9:36am

Post 59 of 199

Sollthar

Force: 13360 | Joined: 30th Oct 2001 | Posts: 6094

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 2 Pro User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

Check out Sollthar's profile. He's voted on his own movies. Nobody seems to mind that.
That's because most regulars know that this is back from an ancient time where we had a big voting abuse problem and I thought I had to "counterreact". If I could delete the votes, I would. But I can't. smile


Anyways, it's not the end of the world. Back to the movie.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 9:44am

Post 60 of 199

Arktic

Force: 9977 | Joined: 10th Nov 2003 | Posts: 2785

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 2 Pro User FXhome Movie Maker FXpreset Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

I think everything that I want to say has been mentioned - the most drastic things that stick out are some very basic errors, like crossing the line, and some awful soundwork. There's also some pretty bad cinematography too, which is a shame, as it pulls down the rest of the production.

As has been said before, this is somewhere between the 3-4 mark for me, because I know you guys must be capable of doing better amd avoiding silly mistakes. But in recognition of the fact that you did it in 24 hours, I'll give you a 4.

Cheers,
Arktic.

PS - Why didn't jake just *ask* for the money? He seemed to know the cashier pretty well, and if he'd explained, wouldn't she be more willing to help out?
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 3:16pm

Post 61 of 199

Evman

Force: 4382 | Joined: 25th Jan 2004 | Posts: 3609

VisionLab User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

According to some really quick calculations,

This movie would be .2 or so points lower without atom's vote. Considering your movie is currently just .050 or so points above my documentary, surely you can see where I'm coming from.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 3:37pm

Post 62 of 199

SGB

Force: 2199 | Joined: 9th Aug 2005 | Posts: 855

VisionLab User VideoWrap User FXpreset Maker MacOS User FXhome Movie Maker

Gold Member

Arktic wrote:

Why didn't jake just *ask* for the money? He seemed to know the cashier pretty well, and if he'd explained, wouldn't she be more willing to help out?
I have the same question. I loved that scene, the acting was superb, but it seemed odd that he had to rob her. I mean, its one thing if he asked her, and then if she said no, to threaten her with a knife, or unarmed violence. But for him to walk in on his friend holding a gun...? Where did the gun come from?

Anyhow, thats really my only gripe. I like some of the camera work, but only some. There were some times where a tripod was really necessary.

The acting (by Jake) was really great, and the little kid wasn't too bad either.

There are only a few things I think you could have easily made better even with the 24 hour thing:

1) freeze frame on the note by the kidnappers so its legible.

2) have the note thrown to Jake, or have one of the guys shove it in his face, or throw him somthing with the note on it. Just finding it on the ground was a little odd. maybe have the note written on a baseball and have one of the guys throw it out the car window.

3) In the opening scene in the diner. What was that whole thing about "you eating gravy that doesn't even move when you touch it" "does my gravy offend you"? That dialoge wasn't so good. Also, right before he says "hey dude, look who it is", theres an ambiguos moment where its hard to tell whats going on.

Anyhow, i did enjoy this a lot, and its amazing that you pulled it off so fast.

Great job.

SGB
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 3:43pm

Post 63 of 199

er-no

Force: 9531 | Joined: 24th Sep 2002 | Posts: 3964

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 2 Pro User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

Overall though - I enjoyed this, well done guys. Some really nice stuff and a good idea to pursue and finish in the 24 hours! It was difficult to watch at times and I found myself cringing at the soundwork.

You had a good use of colour and some good shots, but it was tarnished by sound where you could hear the cameras tape deck louder than the speech!?

That was the biggest negative - the sound, and sadly its one that cannot be ignored.

Again though, overall a really nice piece of work, definetely needed some more static shots and I didn't really get the whole money/hold up thing- it worked really well at the beginning but when you went back to it - it just didn't seem 'at all' realistic - but I appreciate the pace in which you had to film and complete this so everything is rather things I'm sure you already know.

Good job!
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 4:14pm

Post 64 of 199

Arktic

Force: 9977 | Joined: 10th Nov 2003 | Posts: 2785

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 2 Pro User FXhome Movie Maker FXpreset Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

In the opening scene in the diner. What was that whole thing about "you eating gravy that doesn't even move when you touch it" "does my gravy offend you"? That dialoge wasn't so good.
I'm inclined to agree - it seemed to be an attempt at Tarrantino-esque smalltalk, but it just came off as innane and badly written.

Cheers,
Arktic.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 5:30pm

Post 65 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Unfortunately, when you have 24 hours, and you have to keep everyone who is working on it happy, there is no going back on things. Some of the dialogue was cheesy, but once it was written, nobody complained- it wasn't like we had the time to really go and write something else. Brian, the actor and the guy who wrote the dialogue, has a very short temper, so none of us were about to piss him off by attacking his dialogue- we'd blow our chances of getting a good performance out of him, which was KEY for us to really sell this movie.

The same kinda thing, really, with both the finding the note and the holdup at the store. There were scenes filmed to further explain, but due to the five minute time limit, once Atom had clipped them out and edited the movie without those scenes; who were we to complain, we'd just gotten the movie finished editing and we had about an hour and a half to render and print to tape before time ran out. The note scene was actually a substitution for a phone call type scene that we didn't film because it would've consumed about 2:30 of the total 5:00 running time, and it just didn't seem worth it. I thought the ambiguous note worked okay, though about 25% of the people who've seen this disagree.

Now a lot of people asked why Cover didn't just ask her. If you hear his first line, he asks her to give him whatever she has and he'll never bother her again. She forcefully asks him to leave, and he says that he can't, then proceeds to pull out the gun. I know that was a half-hearted attempt at best to show him just "asking" but we were all a little tired and out of ideas at that point, not to mention we couldn't get Brian to stop crying after we were done filming. (seriously) biggrin

As far as murky sound quality and the ambiguous pause: sadly, there was no fixing this once it was in the can. All of the audio filmed in the diner was so bad, and we didn't realize it until the last minute; that we hooked up the camera to the tv, played the captures back, and had everyone dub over their lines. So basically the diner audio is a super-fast attempt at dubbing using the GL2's mic in a noisy editing room. This actually shows the most how we almost ran out of time.

Again, though, compression is partly to blame for the audio and that "tape deck" sound you're hearing, because the full quality version doesn't have that. I just haven't got around to shelling out 30 bucks for Quicktime Pro. wink

Two more things before I finish:

I don't really see where shakiness in cinematography is a huge deal, with the exception of the very last shot in the monestary, in which we mounted the camera on a monopod in the suburban's trunk and I ran to hold open the door as the car drove off wildly. We thought we'd end up with a nice, fluid uniform shot, but unfortunately we were sadly surprised. Still, once you've filmed it, it's what you've got, and there's no going back. Also, on some of the outdoor shots, it was so birght that the LCD couldn't be seen at all, and since I'm left handed, it's always awkward for me to use the viewfinder. So basically all the shots of him getting his brother back and him finding and picking up the note were shot "blind". I know that's no excuse, but still.

Also, and I'm not trying to sound like a smartass here, what stupid mistakes did we make? I'd seriously like to know so we can fix them. I mean, besides breaking the 180 degree rule, because we only did that once, and that was really just an editing mistake. But yeah, what else?

Thanks, Ben
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 9:32pm

Post 66 of 199

LilCaesars

Force: 480 | Joined: 27th Dec 2004 | Posts: 530

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User MacOS User

Gold Member

Rating: +2

Look Ben and Atom stop trying to argue for you film. A person is always going to have an opinion that you don't like and you guys are making yourselves look worse by arguing about every criticism and making up excuses for everything. Neither you or anybody else on this forum makes perfect movies. Take the criticism and apply it. As a film maker never show your movie thinking that it is going to be accepted well because you will almost always be let down. Show your movie as your work and if people like it then it's good, but if they don't you haven't lost anything and you can use their criticisms to improve your next film. You guys already know how I feel about this movie so I'll stop now.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 9:58pm

Post 67 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

I don't think we submitted this movie with any assumptions, it's just that some small arguments arose over petty little things. I'm pretty sure we're all past that now.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 10:22pm

Post 68 of 199

Arktic

Force: 9977 | Joined: 10th Nov 2003 | Posts: 2785

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 2 Pro User FXhome Movie Maker FXpreset Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

Rating: +1

Also, and I'm not trying to sound like a smartass here, what stupid mistakes did we make? I'd seriously like to know so we can fix them. I mean, besides breaking the 180 degree rule, because we only did that once, and that was really just an editing mistake. But yeah, what else?
Silly mistakes:

The cut between Jake: "I can't [breathing]" on a medium 2-shot to Jake:"I can't" on a close up - it doesn't work, the sound isn't cut properly, as he's breathing heavily on one shot, but not in the next. This leaves an audible jump in the audio. This might have worked as a non-continuity jump cut, or similar, but for that to work, you'd have to add some kind of effect such as a quick additive disolve or blur. Or, if you wanted to retain continuity editing, you should have sorted out the sound.

When we first see Jake and his brother come out of the building, as the v/o continues, there's a continuity jump - it's not quite crossing the line, but it's very jarring and disconcerting as a viewer. It's difficult to visualise where there two characters are meant to be in relation to each other.



Notice how from one frame to the next that the characters are no longer positioned the same? And Jake goes from moving R - L to moving L - R, which doesn't sit right. If this was an intentional choice to make a non-continuity cut, then that's a bad decision - in a sequence of just two shots, non continuity editing looks like a mistake rather than a style choice - including a few jumpcuts as they walk down the path could have pulled that off nicely. Again, a silly mistake that could have easily been avoided.

Then there's the obvious crossing the line error in the diner. This should have been spotted, and removed. I know you were rushed at the editing stage, but this really is a very, very basic mistake to make!

The editing and cinematography pick up for a while in the middle section of the film - but then at the end, there are some more problems. The shot with the statue looks bad - the camera still seems to be mid move when you cut it. You should never cut part way into a pan or tilt, as it just plain looks bad.

As you know, the end shot is a bit too shaky - again, a simple mistake that you could have rectified by taking a safety take; a locked off slow zoom out for example. It's good practice to get into the habbit of taking safety locked off shots of everything, just in case you have trouble in the edit. A locked off wide, maybe from outside the diner might have solved the crossing the line issues you had in the earlier scene, and for the final scene, a locked off shot would have looked infinatley better than the over-shakey one you went with.

I hope you can learn from these comments and find them helpful smile

Cheers,
Arktic.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 10:54pm

Post 69 of 199

Atom

Force: 4300 | Joined: 9th May 2004 | Posts: 7014

EffectsLab Lite User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Arkitic. First off, thank you for taking the time to reply with in-depth details as to what are (IYO) silly mistakes. I edited the film, and I'll admit, I was very very sloppy with my first draft of the edit, in part (the MOST part) being my lack of sleep for the past 20 or so hours, not including being awake all of the previous day. All the discontinuities in cinematography are purposeful. A sort of time-lapse. It was my jab at fragmented storytelling, and it came off abit like a mistake, including the shot of the statue at the end. smile I was so freaking tired that it was almost as if I wasn't completely "there", and it was almost like I was high or didn't have enough oxygen going into me or something. I thought that statue shot fit "so freakin perfectly", which I now know doesn't. But, it was my rule to all of us that if we submitted "Cover's Story" to FXHome, we would not alter it from the version turned in at the 24-hour mark. Had I put a latter version up, several of these silly mistakes would either be changed or rectified. Now, with the beginning, I think you fail to see how he's crying. The heavy breathing stops because he stopped breathing heavily. Like most crying, it breaks into his speech, he begins breathing very heavily when talking to the point where he can't talk, then takes a breath and proceeds to say "I can't!", with his mouth still dribbling and shaking. I thought this cut was fine, but I can understand the peak in sound. Perhaps abit tighter in the Director's Cut. wink The ending, although abit shakey, I don't think is a simple mistake. There's nothing technically wrong with the shot, there isn't a tripod in it, and it's the smoothest we could get the shot at the time. Now, I realize we could have substituted this for a locked zoom shot, but the moving shot itself isn't a simple mistake, is it? This is just for my own personal benefit, not trying to argue. I'm, as we speak, peicing together a longer, linear version of the film, and a tighter 5:00 version. The reason: longer one could include explainations of them walking, his poverishness, and the justification behind the gun, and his relationship with the woman. (Who, was rightfully established as a friend. That's why he can and does rob her. There's about a 30 second-1 minute conversation between them at the register that was left out.)

Thanks, though, I really do appreciate it, as I'm sure Ben does.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 11:06pm

Post 70 of 199

Hybrid-Halo

Force: 9315 | Joined: 7th Feb 2003 | Posts: 3367

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 3 Pro User MuzzlePlug User PowerPlug User FXpreset Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

I don't know about anyone else, but that last post is unreadable...
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 11:19pm

Post 71 of 199

hatsoff2halford

Force: 1360 | Joined: 6th Feb 2005 | Posts: 360

CompositeLab Pro User EffectsLab Pro User Windows User FXhome Movie Maker

Gold Member

Paragraphs?
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 11:31pm

Post 72 of 199

Aculag

Force: 8365 | Joined: 21st Jun 2002 | Posts: 8581

EffectsLab Lite User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

Atom wrote:

All the discontinuities in cinematography are purposeful. A sort of time-lapse. It was my jab at fragmented storytelling, and it came off abit like a mistake, including the shot of the statue at the end.
So you can just say "Well I meant to do it that way, it's artistic!" about any flaw in anything, and that's okay, right? wink
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 11:34pm

Post 73 of 199

SGB

Force: 2199 | Joined: 9th Aug 2005 | Posts: 855

VisionLab User VideoWrap User FXpreset Maker MacOS User FXhome Movie Maker

Gold Member

Aculag wrote:

Atom wrote:

All the discontinuities in cinematography are purposeful. A sort of time-lapse. It was my jab at fragmented storytelling, and it came off abit like a mistake, including the shot of the statue at the end.
So you can just say "Well I meant to do it that way, it's artistic!" about any flaw in anything, and that's okay, right? wink
He didn't say it was ok, he just said it was on purpose.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 11:38pm

Post 74 of 199

rypcat

Force: 285 | Joined: 17th Nov 2002 | Posts: 115

FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

I'm somewhat disgusted by this whole vote-grubbing business by Atom and Evman. People will vote on your movie, and some of them won't like it. Big deal. As long as you're happy with what you've done, it shouldn't bother you that someone insults you. By getting offended and defensive, you are showing that you are not confident in your own products and need other people to boost your egos. I say, calm down. Chill out. Read a book. Then come back with a level head and an openness for opinions other than your own. Then you will be respected. *







*this applies to our commander in chief as well... wink
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 11:47pm

Post 75 of 199

Evman

Force: 4382 | Joined: 25th Jan 2004 | Posts: 3609

VisionLab User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

rypcat wrote:

I'm somewhat disgusted by this whole vote-grubbing business by Atom and Evman. People will vote on your movie, and some of them won't like it. Big deal. As long as you're happy with what you've done, it shouldn't bother you that someone insults you. By getting offended and defensive, you are showing that you are not confident in your own products and need other people to boost your egos. I say, calm down. Chill out. Read a book. Then come back with a level head and an openness for opinions other than your own. Then you will be respected. *







*this applies to our commander in chief as well... wink
Then what's the point of the rating system?

I don't have a problem with their movie being ahead of mine, but I do when they vote well for their own movie and then hire their friends to vote mine down.

If it can be abused like that, whats the point?
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 11:51pm

Post 76 of 199

Sollthar

Force: 13360 | Joined: 30th Oct 2001 | Posts: 6094

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 2 Pro User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

In the end, you can give whatever explanations you want, to main thing you have to understand is this:

A film has to be self-explanatory

You can't and shouldn't explain every single detail about a film to your audience after or before they watched the film. The FILM has to explain all that with correctly applying the film language to it (There's a bit of that covered in my filmmaking tutorial). If your film doesn't do that, the film has failed on that level.

Filmmaking for an audience is as simple as that.

Of course, the whole "If you like it, then it's fine" argument works perfectly for someone who does filmmaking as a pure hobby. As soon as there is some slight professional touch coming to it, it isn't that simple anymore.



If you guys learn to apply the basic rules correctly, I have no doubt you can produce something really good. So go do it. smile
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 11:52pm

Post 77 of 199

Aculag

Force: 8365 | Joined: 21st Jun 2002 | Posts: 8581

EffectsLab Lite User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

^^Hell yes, this man has it right.

SGB wrote:

He didn't say it was ok, he just said it was on purpose.
He made an excuse for why the scene was poorly edited and put together, to me that says he wants people to think it's alright, because it was an artistic choice, not a mistake.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 11:58pm

Post 78 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Sollthar wrote:

In the end, you can give whatever explanations you want, to main thing you have to understand is this:

A film has to be self-explanatory
Most people who saw it in the theaters understood it. I guess when the audience is informed filmmakers, they tend to over-examine. I myself do the same thing.

And Aculag, it was an artistic decision, it was just somewhat poorly executed; hence it may look to you like sloppiness.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 12:06am

Post 79 of 199

Harvey

Force: 2050 | Joined: 29th Apr 2005 | Posts: 513

VisionLab User MacOS User

Gold Member

I would really like to see what you guys could have done with this had you had more time to plan, shoot, and edit it and also not be constrained by a 5 minute time limit. However, as it stands right now, this film has some problems (I will try to make a detailed post after I watch it again). Also congrats on winning the contest.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 12:06am

Post 80 of 199

Sollthar

Force: 13360 | Joined: 30th Oct 2001 | Posts: 6094

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 2 Pro User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

Most people who saw it in the theaters understood it. I guess when the audience is informed filmmakers, they tend to over-examine. I myself do the same thing.
Actually, I'd say it's the opposite way. People who have little knowledge about filmmaking tend to under-examine. They're happy as long as something moves on the screen, provocatively spoken. smile

I can show my worst FX test to some people and they say it's great, because they don't know better. As soon as I show it to a crowd that knows a little about the subject, reactions will differ.
It's always that way. I know a lot of little bands that keep playing for their friends or a random crowd who loves their music, even though if they'd show it to someone who has some understanding for music, they'd probably be laughed at.


As I said, I think your film has some very strong parts and I think you should focus on those. We only want to give you pointers as how to better evolve in your filmmaking, especially because you have talent, as I have said before.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 12:13am

Post 81 of 199

Hybrid-Halo

Force: 9315 | Joined: 7th Feb 2003 | Posts: 3367

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 3 Pro User MuzzlePlug User PowerPlug User FXpreset Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

ben3308 wrote:

It was an artistic decision, it was just somewhat poorly executed; hence it may look to you like sloppiness.
And what is sloppiness if it is not poor execution?

My personal opinion is that this is a good piece of film-making, the flaws which have been highlighted already are due to the time restraints you faced during shooting and editing so you needn't be so defensive about them.

I think most people are impressed and are simply offering their critical opinion so that in the future you are sure to avoid similiar mistakes regardless of time constraints.

i.e. If Splinter Cell suffers from any, thou shalt die. wink

-Hybrid.

P.s. Self voting always is, and always has been terribly lame. Especially if you claim that you're basing your vote off of a general concensus as then it's not even your own opinion. Lame, lame, lame.

Last edited Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 12:39am; edited 1 times in total.

Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 12:17am

Post 82 of 199

SGB

Force: 2199 | Joined: 9th Aug 2005 | Posts: 855

VisionLab User VideoWrap User FXpreset Maker MacOS User FXhome Movie Maker

Gold Member

Rating: +1

ben3308 wrote:

And Aculag, it was an artistic decision, it was just somewhat poorly executed; hence it may look to you like sloppiness.
You mean it was sloppiness. You executed it sloppily. I think that Aculag is upset becuase you've never actually said that yet. You never actually put into words that you were sloppy. Its hard for me to express what I mean here, but I hope you get the idea.

You did make a mistake, you said so yourself. You made a mistake in your artistic decision. You made an artistic decision, and messed up in executing it. Sounds like a mistake to me. I think you just don't want to actually refer to anything as a mistake. I think it would make a lot of people happy if you would simply refer to it as a mistake that you made in executing your artistic decision.

Just put this into words: I did make a mistake in executing my artistic decision.

SGB
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 12:28am

Post 83 of 199

Bryce007

Force: 1910 | Joined: 5th Apr 2003 | Posts: 2609

VideoWrap User Windows User

Gold Member

I'm pretty sure it would be easiest if things just went like this:

Make an unusual decision that is considered a mistake in the filmmaking word? Either explain why you made the decision, or admit mistake. Simple. Then kinda petty arguments go right out the window.

I can barely find Reviews for this film because of all the arguing going down here.

Also, I didn't vote for my own film even though it IS just an anonymous poll. Because It's simple: I don't need my own opinion.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 2:14am

Post 84 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Anything pre--third page is a review. But on about the third page you see some snide remarks from Evman and Aculag that just aren't necessary, and a whole debate ensues. So yeah, I dunno why people would just walk into a thread and muck it up, purely to antoganize the situation. It's like they're trying to start an argument for the sake of arguing, and they know I'll respond.

To me, that's just pathetic.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 2:26am

Post 85 of 199

Aculag

Force: 8365 | Joined: 21st Jun 2002 | Posts: 8581

EffectsLab Lite User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

All you're doing, ben, is attacking your critics. I hope this thread eventually turns back into something that you are happy with, but I mean it's not as if people are arguing about something other than your movie.

Also, I didn't just "walk into a thread just to muck it up". If you'll recall, I posted quite a long review beforehand. I have never intended to "muck it up". I even suggested that we move this argument elsewhere, but you apparently didn't like that suggestion. Okay then.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 2:36am

Post 86 of 199

Evman

Force: 4382 | Joined: 25th Jan 2004 | Posts: 3609

VisionLab User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

ben3308 wrote:

So yeah, I dunno why people would just walk into a thread and muck it up, purely to antoganize the situation. It's like they're trying to start an argument for the sake of arguing, and they know I'll respond.

If you know we're trying to get you to respond... then why respond. You can't please everyone, and you certainately can't please me or aculag, so why bother? It's actually quite funny sometimes to see your reactions.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 2:47am

Post 87 of 199

Hybrid-Halo

Force: 9315 | Joined: 7th Feb 2003 | Posts: 3367

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 3 Pro User MuzzlePlug User PowerPlug User FXpreset Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

Ben, from my perspective - the only antagonising or friction caused on this whole thread are by your over-defensiveness. The most pathetic thing in this thread, if anything is your lousy reaction so far.

Critics will be critics, you don't need to explain anything to them just as you needn't explain why your movie is good to someone who already believes so. Films aren't a religion so you needn't try and convert people, rather - relax and let people formulate their own opinions.

Your attempts at needlessly defending or justifying highlighted flaws with what has been hailed by all as good work is just plain irritating as it suggests that you're too ignorant to heed any advice and improve as a result of it.

And well, that's just lame. Almost as lame as someone who votes on their own movie. wink

Last edited Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 3:02am; edited 1 times in total.

Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 2:53am

Post 88 of 199

Atom

Force: 4300 | Joined: 9th May 2004 | Posts: 7014

EffectsLab Lite User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Aculag (and I just previewed my post, and now Evman commented. Whoopee!) :

There's no point in offering a rebuttal, or trying to end this with you Aculag because you have to (and want to) have the last word. I'm not saying it's the wrong word, but adding insult to injury isn't the way to end it. You act as if it's only Ben (or maybe myself) who keeps these ongoing "arguments", but in reality, everytime you comment back to Ben, or naysay someone else's review, you further instigate it. Perhaps I am in the wrong commenting back to you, but if you know this, then it is your duty not to further it. I'm done now, and I really hope I don't hear a rbuttal from you or Evman for that matter in this thread. You wanna say "move it elsewhere" then you move it elsewhere. Don't be a hypocrite and don't post back in this thread. I expect an IM or PM soon. I'm not trying to be rude, or harsh, or anything for that matter, I'm just plain damn sick of this. It happens everytime we start a new thread and, us right or wrong, you're only adding to the fire by provoking or continuing it. Evman, you think it's funny when we comment back? It's common courtesy to address each comment. Being ignorant to your posts is wrong, and as far as I'm concerned, you posting just so you can laugh at my response is a very petty thing to do, and provokes me to call you an @$$%&*. You are an chunky monkey, and I don't want to hear any more from you. PM or IM a response, because you know I'll ALWAYS answer, and keeping it here is you furthering it. You want me to go into your documentary thread and naysay every good comment? You want me to pick out every single orange flavoured part of American Idiots 2? It doesn't matter, because I wouldn't. I have some respect for you, and your films, and it's the least I can do for your effort. However, it seems you don't have that luxury with me, and that...........that is the pathetic thing. Thanks for the previous review, still. I do appreciate it.


Everyone else:
Okey-doke. Back to the film, not to the ratings.

I'm the editor. No one else edited, it was all me. Ben shouldn't even really say anything about it, as he wasn't in the editing room for most of it Now, this is not to argue, but rather, as many times I try to do, justify or explain or give reason as to why "this or that is the way it is". The cuts were one of my first attempts at fragmented, time-lapse storytelling. This was not anybody else's intent for the film, so the shots were not made or conceptualized to be chopped the way they were. Still, I'm not saying thats why it doesn't work, because I think it does, but I'm saying thats why to the trained eye, it wouldn't work.

It being an actual competition, I tried to narrow the ammount of compositional risk I took as far as editing to keep for a constant, understandable flow, but the cuts were still purposeful. I looked at them, knew what I was doing, did it on purpose, and stuck with it. It was an artistic move, not an excuse. My excuse is, however, that looking back on it, it might not've been the best move to make, ergo, RIGHT NOW- I think it was a sloppy thing to do. That's not saying that the cut was sloppy, thats not saying at the time I was being lazy and didnt want to tighten it. What I'm saying is that RIGHT NOW, I think it's sloppy. If the competition were still going on, I'd be worried as to how the audience would react. However, it's already passed, an audience of fellow filmmakers and spectators alike have given it the "OK", and the judges seemed to as well.

So, in hindsight, it was a bad move, but that's not to say that when edited, it was sloppy or that justification would be an excuse.

(Oh, just read your post too, HyHal. Luv ya buddy. Can't get that 5 off my back, huh? wink )

This is me addressing the issue, taking the comments, and giving reason as to why things are (and were) they way they are. I see nothing wrong with this. Still, I apologize for the forum ping-pong that's been going on. I hope we can all get past it, and more people will share as insightful comments as have already been given. Thanks to everyone who commented. (once or twice, or even 6 times) We really do appreciate it, and it really does help us in the future. A definite help for the ongoing Splinter Cell. (Expect it. Sometime. wink )

<haenous space removed>

Sometime.........Soon maybe? stun

Last edited Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 2:57am; edited 1 times in total.

Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 2:53am

Post 89 of 199

Aculag

Force: 8365 | Joined: 21st Jun 2002 | Posts: 8581

EffectsLab Lite User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

Hybrid-Halo wrote:

The most pathetic thing in this thread, if anything is your lousy reaction so far.
I wonder how he'll try to justify that.

Atom wrote:

You wanna say "move it elsewhere" then you move it elsewhere. Don't be a hypocrite and don't post back in this thread. I expect an IM or PM soon. I'm not trying to be rude, or harsh, or anything for that matter, I'm just plain damn sick of this.
Hey pal, I offered that a long time ago. You guys are the ones who refused. I'm not playing by your rules just because you think that you need to try and save face and be big about things NOW.

Also I'd say that anyone who says "You're just trying to get the last word", is actually trying to get the last word themselves, by making the other person (me in this case) say "he's right, I shouldn't act like I want the last word. I won't post anymore!". But whatever, man.

Edit:

Atom wrote:

You are an asshole, and I don't want to hear any more from you
Oh man, I didn't see that part! This is the behavior of a child, Atom. Someone criticises you, so you throw out insults. You're amazing.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 3:03am

Post 90 of 199

Evman

Force: 4382 | Joined: 25th Jan 2004 | Posts: 3609

VisionLab User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

Evman wrote:



If you know we're trying to get you to respond... then why respond?
Oh come on atom, how can you not think its funny when I say that and less than 20 minutes later you... respond.

Why do we have to be the ones to give it up? Ignore us, if you're so much better and "respect us so much".

Besides, it's like that picture says "Arguing on the internet is like..." well you know. The internet doesn't always work like the real world, and common courtesy isn't usually observed.

Count down till a mod deletes most of this thread: T-minus 5 minutes 33 seconds.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 3:16am

Post 91 of 199

Hybrid-Halo

Force: 9315 | Joined: 7th Feb 2003 | Posts: 3367

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 3 Pro User MuzzlePlug User PowerPlug User FXpreset Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

You two don't need to thrive on the fact you're correct. It's obvious that Atom/Ben aren't taking kindly to the blade of criticism so rather than bait a flame (intentionally or otherwise) perhaps you could lay off just a little.

Atom - You're stepping out of line throwing insults and making threats to naysay other movie threads considering the circumstances. I agree that Aculag's critique may be a little sharp for you to sustain though if you'd have just accepted it rather than 'convert' them I think you'd have come out of this alot better.

Evman mentioned earlier that no one is ever a good judge of work they are heavily involved within, it's very easy to become extremely defensive of your work too. This is something that I acknowledge being subject too and I think is a pretty much Universal way of acting.

Ben - Rather than defending your work, you should really be throwing a "Hybrid rated us a 5" party. I know Waser holds them occasionally... Build the cake high enough and 'they' will come.

Nothing is perfect, anything can be improved, nothing escapes criticism. It's a good mindset to have when you are putting your creative content - be that art, film or music in the public eye. Everyone falls, "But why do we fall, mr Wayne?".

p.s. Enjoy the comedy swear word/insult replacements.

-Hybrid.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 3:20am

Post 92 of 199

Atom

Force: 4300 | Joined: 9th May 2004 | Posts: 7014

EffectsLab Lite User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

So we can pick ourselves back up again. Point taken, although I did say I wouldn't massacre a movie thread such as his for the sole purpose of entertaining myself. That wasn't meant as a threat, it was meant as an analogy of extremes.

I love Batman Begins, though. Oh, and now you can't delete your double post. wink Damn, you just did.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 3:23am

Post 93 of 199

Aculag

Force: 8365 | Joined: 21st Jun 2002 | Posts: 8581

EffectsLab Lite User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

I'm glad this is all settled, and went down without anyones posts being deleted. Good lookin out, hybrid.

I declare this thread... CLOSED! *sinister theme*
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 4:35am

Post 94 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Let's break out the margaritas and party.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 7:02am

Post 95 of 199

CX3

Force: 3137 | Joined: 1st Apr 2003 | Posts: 2527

EffectsLab Lite User VideoWrap User MacOS User FXhome Movie Maker

Gold Member

Damn... now I have nothin to look forward to reading when I check in here and there... Eh, it was good/funny/sorry/fake while it lasted.. Very Springer, if you will.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 1:05pm

Post 96 of 199

Jazzmanian

Force: 765 | Joined: 3rd May 2006 | Posts: 719

CompositeLab Pro User Windows User

Gold Member

I thought that it was quite good technically, and most of the acting was pretty well done. The plot started out great, but I must admit that it got a bit stripped down (or perhaps over simplified would be a better term?) in coming to the conclusion. But then again, you were working under a very short (5 minute) time constraint. So, since I can't conceive of any better way to handle it in that short period, I can't take points off for it. It was enjoyable. Some of the lighting was a bit dark at times, but I can never interpret if the director is doing that for effect or if it was unintentional. Anyway, I thought it was a definitely solid film and I gave it a four.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 3:47pm

Post 97 of 199

Aculag

Force: 8365 | Joined: 21st Jun 2002 | Posts: 8581

EffectsLab Lite User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

CX3 wrote:

Very Springer, if you will.
Please. There were no trashy topless people slinging themselves at eachother here. No transvestite midget love triangles. No... Not like Springer. God I hate that show.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 7:51pm

Post 98 of 199

Bryce007

Force: 1910 | Joined: 5th Apr 2003 | Posts: 2609

VideoWrap User Windows User

Gold Member

Rating: +1

Aculag wrote:

CX3 wrote:

Very Springer, if you will.
Please. There were no trashy topless people slinging themselves at eachother here. No transvestite midget love triangles. No... Not like Springer. God I hate that show.
Depends on your definition of midget...
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 8:10pm

Post 99 of 199

Aculag

Force: 8365 | Joined: 21st Jun 2002 | Posts: 8581

EffectsLab Lite User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

Bryce007 wrote:

Depends on your definition of midget...
Mirram-Webster Dictionary defines "Midget" as:

A very small person; specifically: a person of unusually small size who is physically well-proportioned.

So yeah.. No midgets in this movie.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 10:24pm

Post 100 of 199

Atom

Force: 4300 | Joined: 9th May 2004 | Posts: 7014

EffectsLab Lite User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Aculag wrote:

Bryce007 wrote:

Depends on your definition of midget...
Mirram-Webster Dictionary defines "Midget" as:

A very small person; specifically: a person of unusually small size who is physically well-proportioned.

So yeah.. No midgets in this movie.
Brian, the lead, is considerably short, actually. In one shot, he is standing next to our other friend Ben Haschke, asking for money. In this shot, you notice at least a foot or so difference in their height. wink
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 11:31pm

Post 101 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

We actually had to have him stand on stacked bricks in SC to make him look taller than the kid he kidnaps. biggrin
Posted: Tue, 6th Jun 2006, 12:14am

Post 102 of 199

SNI BRI

Force: 410 | Joined: 27th Aug 2004 | Posts: 60

CompositeLab Pro User FXhome Movie Maker

Gold Member

Hey there,

My name is Brian Hunt, I play Jake Cover in this production. I just wanted to say i really appreciate the comments on my acting. It was an excelent experiance for all of us, and I really enjoy watching the feedback from such passionate film makers.

Alright just to clarify how tall I am. Im 5'6, and ben and andrew want me to play a 29 year old bad ass thief in "SC", the bricks were used to elevate me to make me appear taller and more dangerous in one scene. And yes, i'm shorter then Ben Hascke, but hes 6'3. So to adjust the comment, im not a midget, im 5'6 average height.

But thank you Ben and andrew for your support as always. lol

Again just wanted to say thank you to all the FXHOMERS. Have a good day.

Brian
Posted: Tue, 6th Jun 2006, 12:57am

Post 103 of 199

Aculag

Force: 8365 | Joined: 21st Jun 2002 | Posts: 8581

EffectsLab Lite User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

It's a conspiracy.
Posted: Tue, 6th Jun 2006, 12:58am

Post 104 of 199

averagejoe

Force: 3592 | Joined: 31st Mar 2001 | Posts: 710

VisionLab User PhotoKey 2 Pro User FXpreset Maker Windows User

SuperUser

Hand hovers over lock thread button... twisted
Posted: Tue, 6th Jun 2006, 1:00am

Post 105 of 199

the new godfather

Force: 130 | Joined: 10th Oct 2005 | Posts: 476

Windows User MacOS User

Member

yes





ben3308 wrote:

Let's break out the margaritas and party.
Don't be disrespectful! twisted
Posted: Tue, 6th Jun 2006, 1:10am

Post 106 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

the new godfather wrote:

Don't be disrespectful! twisted
If anything, that's being MORE respectful. He said Waser usually has cake, so I thought a cake with a "5" candle on it would be even more comemorative of the occasion.

Brian hardly ever uses his account, but he steps in every now and then to see if anybody's saying anything bad (namely aculag's comment about not spending 24 hours on it), he's pretty outspoken about how he feels about that, hence the vote on Evman's doc, which I'm sure was just a vent of anger. (I think he may also have some issues with Reagan) biggrin

Grudges aside, let's all enjoy the cake. biggrin
Posted: Tue, 6th Jun 2006, 1:18am

Post 107 of 199

the new godfather

Force: 130 | Joined: 10th Oct 2005 | Posts: 476

Windows User MacOS User

Member

I don't have any grudges...


Cake is good... in moderation.


Well, ...... this thread was umm interesting.



kind regards
Posted: Tue, 6th Jun 2006, 1:59am

Post 108 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

the new godfather wrote:

Well, ...... this thread was umm interesting.
....who'd have thought it'd come as far as it did. At least some people got a good laugh out of it, I know I have.
Posted: Tue, 6th Jun 2006, 2:29am

Post 109 of 199

the new godfather

Force: 130 | Joined: 10th Oct 2005 | Posts: 476

Windows User MacOS User

Member

likewise biggrin
Posted: Tue, 6th Jun 2006, 11:51pm

Post 110 of 199

ashman

Force: 4913 | Joined: 10th Sep 2005 | Posts: 904

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 3 Pro User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

Well not bad, although seemed abit random in places, the story didn't make sense in places. Can tell it was done in 24hours, I'm sure if you spent another month on it tightening the edit you would of had a film you wanted, instead you have a fairly rushed cut, then this was done for the competition. Good effort keep going.
Posted: Tue, 6th Jun 2006, 11:57pm

Post 111 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

ashman wrote:

Well not bad, although seemed abit random in places
Thanks for watching, rating, and commenting ashman, it's much appreciated. smile

Also, if you don't mind me asking, what seemed random? The "you could've run faster, pushed harder" part?
Posted: Wed, 7th Jun 2006, 2:22pm

Post 112 of 199

Jerb41

Force: 265 | Joined: 24th Feb 2004 | Posts: 15

EffectsLab Lite User FXhome Movie Maker

Gold Member

What I really love about this movie is, you can make a great film, even if your quality isn't the best in the entire world. I have to deal with people who just want the most perfect quality out of everything when it comes to movies. It really bothers me when people focus on unimportant issues, like quality. It's what the movie is about that makes a movie a movie, and a great one at that too. In this movies, the sound wasn't uber, and the picture was pretty pixelly, but once you got into the movie, you never noticed it any longer. I got too caught up in the story line to even notice those meaningless details. Very, VERY excellant job guys! I give you 20 figers and toes up!

-Dudes Studios Inc.
Posted: Wed, 7th Jun 2006, 2:47pm

Post 113 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Thanks so much, Jerb!

I think you'll find most of the "pixely" stuff you see id from the video's compression for the internet. Still, I'm glad you enjoyed this!
Posted: Wed, 7th Jun 2006, 3:01pm

Post 114 of 199

alpha54

Force: 830 | Joined: 26th Jan 2006 | Posts: 323

CompositeLab Pro User EffectsLab Pro User Windows User

Gold Member

Jerb41 wrote:

It really bothers me when people focus on unimportant issues, like quality.
Is it just me, or did that make anyone else smirk? biggrin
Posted: Wed, 7th Jun 2006, 3:06pm

Post 115 of 199

Atom

Force: 4300 | Joined: 9th May 2004 | Posts: 7014

EffectsLab Lite User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Yeah, but I think he's referring to the quality of the camera's picture and sound fx specifically. Still, that came off pretty funny, I won't disagree with you on that. smile
Posted: Wed, 7th Jun 2006, 4:58pm

Post 116 of 199

MC Turtl3n3ck

Force: 218 | Joined: 5th Jun 2006 | Posts: 111

Windows User

Member

my god, its the top movie on the home page. good job boys
Posted: Wed, 7th Jun 2006, 5:03pm

Post 117 of 199

Klut

Force: 2120 | Joined: 16th Apr 2004 | Posts: 1585

VisionLab User FXpreset Maker Windows User MacOS User FXhome Movie Maker

Gold Member

Nah, it's not really that great, it's good, but not worth the 5.

I'd give it a 2, if wasn't for the opening scene. I gave it 4/5, but after I saw it again, I think it really deserves a 3 or 2...
Posted: Wed, 7th Jun 2006, 10:51pm

Post 118 of 199

Atom

Force: 4300 | Joined: 9th May 2004 | Posts: 7014

EffectsLab Lite User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Klut wrote:

Nah, it's not really that great, it's good, but not worth the 5.

I'd give it a 2, if wasn't for the opening scene. I gave it 4/5, but after I saw it again, I think it really deserves a 3 or 2...
May I ask you why you thought this wasn't that great? That's cool if thats what you think, but I was just wondering as far as technicals, cinematography, editing, etc. or the story or whatever.

What part was it that you didn't like? The editing, sound, y'know, which outta those? Oh, and I surely hope it didn't get worse the second time you watched it. wink
Posted: Wed, 7th Jun 2006, 11:41pm

Post 119 of 199

Bryce007

Force: 1910 | Joined: 5th Apr 2003 | Posts: 2609

VideoWrap User Windows User

Gold Member

MC Turtl3n3ck wrote:

my god, its the top movie on the home page. good job boys
Is this the Kid that you couldn't get to stop crying after the Emo Scene?



Also, the only thing that REALLY stuck out to me is the Randomly Pulling the Gun out of thin air.
Posted: Thu, 8th Jun 2006, 12:05am

Post 120 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

MC Turtleneck is one of the many Bens on our list of who helped at the end credits. He was also the guy who pulled Jake's brother into the surburban and slammed the door right before it pulled off.

The kid who couldn't stop crying is Brian, the actor in the movie, whose internet handle is SNI BRI.

So there's me, MC Turtleneck, and as far as the third Ben on the credits goes, well we've just told him to stop posting, ever since this incident.
Posted: Sat, 10th Jun 2006, 1:12am

Post 121 of 199

bBrown

Force: 20 | Joined: 9th Apr 2006 | Posts: 34

Windows User

Member

Great film!

Short and simple.... yet very good.

5/5 stars.
Posted: Sat, 10th Jun 2006, 5:29am

Post 122 of 199

lchaos2

Force: 200 | Joined: 27th Jun 2002 | Posts: 1

EffectsLab Lite User

Gold Member

That was excellent! This is the first time I've commented on a film here (though I've been here off and on since Alam DV 1), but I just had to let you know what a good job you guys did. smile

As bBrown said, "short and simple". I really like the idea of a focused and well-executed film, story, etc. You told your story, and you did it very well. Good choice for the lead actor - I wish I had the dramatic chops to carry a scene like the "robbery" scene. I felt that. And for that to come across through tinny speakers (on my comp at least) and a 320 X 240 window says a lot about your actors' abilities. All of them did an excellent job.

I'd like to say more about your cinematography, lighting, etc, but to be honest, I was too busy paying attention to the story. And to me, at least for this film, that's a good thing.

Keep up the awesome work!
Posted: Sat, 10th Jun 2006, 4:47pm

Post 123 of 199

Klut

Force: 2120 | Joined: 16th Apr 2004 | Posts: 1585

VisionLab User FXpreset Maker Windows User MacOS User FXhome Movie Maker

Gold Member

Atom wrote:

Klut wrote:

Nah, it's not really that great, it's good, but not worth the 5.

I'd give it a 2, if wasn't for the opening scene. I gave it 4/5, but after I saw it again, I think it really deserves a 3 or 2...
May I ask you why you thought this wasn't that great? That's cool if thats what you think, but I was just wondering as far as technicals, cinematography, editing, etc. or the story or whatever.

What part was it that you didn't like? The editing, sound, y'know, which outta those? Oh, and I surely hope it didn't get worse the second time you watched it. wink
It didn't get worse, but when I first watched it I thought some of it was good. The acting, the impression it self... But it was very boring, really really boring. And what was on that note anyway? Why did it all happend so fast? I wanted to give it 3 then, but I thought that would really piss you off (after our history).
So I gave it 4 to be nice razz

But then when I watched it later, I noticed sound problems, also, I got really frustrated with the "oh, my friends is kidnapped! I'll steal some money! Thank you for releasing my friend!"...
It went way to fast, really.

But some parts of the movie was kind of pro, and some was really crap.

The one thing that bothers me the most is you guys giving your own movie a 5. I don't think people should be able to vote on their own movies really.
Posted: Sat, 10th Jun 2006, 4:51pm

Post 124 of 199

Arktic

Force: 9977 | Joined: 10th Nov 2003 | Posts: 2785

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 2 Pro User FXhome Movie Maker FXpreset Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

I got really frustrated with the "oh, my friends is kidnapped! I'll steal some money! Thank you for releasing my friend!"...
It went way to fast, really.
I agree with that - and if your response is simply "Well, there was a 5 minute time limit, so we HAD to do everything really fast", then you've either made a bad choice of a story to do in 5 minutes, or you've gone about telling the story badly smile

Cheers,
Arktic
Posted: Sat, 10th Jun 2006, 5:32pm

Post 125 of 199

Atom

Force: 4300 | Joined: 9th May 2004 | Posts: 7014

EffectsLab Lite User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Well, it was a 5-minute time, not much to give an in-depth explanation, we have already established a connection between the woman and Cover and Cover and his brother, and if the majority of people (namely the judges) are able to understand it, is it really that big of a problem?

We thought about this for a while during the race, planning it out on as long of a time as we could within the 24 hours. It wasn't rushed at all. There are many things that were left out, but still many that were left in. Upon a closer examination, most people pick up on the story abit better. I know the saying "if you have to explain it, then you shouldn't have it in", but I feel this is a slightly different case. Two things here, as I said earlier:

Atom a couple pages back in this thread wrote:


I liked the depth of field you had in the cafe. But the story had no character development at all, and so I didn't get to empathise with anyone. Character development between Cover and the kid = "why are you eating gravy?". So do I care when he's kidnapped? No.
Unfortunately, this is one of the many constraints to only having 5 minutes for the movie. It leaves very little time for actual character development, but I think there is a general understanding that they are brothers, friends even, that they personally know the woman, which makes her hard to go to, but at the same time the it is the safest way to get the money.........recklessly. He asks her, but knows she won't put up a fight if he pulls a weapon. It kills him to do so, but the 3 voiceovers explain that there are measures of survival and preservation one must go to. That's our character development.
The woman at the register could have had more development too. Instead of Cover just crying in the cash register scene, you could have had more conflict and then he gets the gun out as a last resort.
This was actually filmed and meant for use, but timing pushed me to cut out almost all of the robbing scene to allow more of the uncut plea of Cover with the gun.
Like I said, somethings such as the willingness to rob can be explained by examining the characters, their relationships, and the VOs common theme of sacrifice and reason. I hope this explains some of the reason to rob her, as it made quite abit more sense than almost any of the other videos in the 24-hour video race. It's like you said just previously- some things don't need to be explained. You don't know where he got the gun? Does it matter? You're also not told or shown what happened after he pulled the gun, but that doesn't seem bother that many people either. In my opinion, the best way to explain or show that part of the movie, with the story we had going, wasn't to show it.

That make any sense? smile

Oh, Klut, thanks for the explanation, though. I really do appreciate, although I don't want 'pity-votes', just what you truly think it deserves.
Posted: Sat, 10th Jun 2006, 5:58pm

Post 126 of 199

Hybrid-Halo

Force: 9315 | Joined: 7th Feb 2003 | Posts: 3367

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 3 Pro User MuzzlePlug User PowerPlug User FXpreset Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

I think establishing each scene at a specific time of day would have helped - a method which isn't affected by time constraints.

Rooting each scene at a certain time closer to a finale can also be used to create a great sense of urgency without actually having much film at all.
Posted: Sat, 10th Jun 2006, 6:02pm

Post 127 of 199

SNI BRI

Force: 410 | Joined: 27th Aug 2004 | Posts: 60

CompositeLab Pro User FXhome Movie Maker

Gold Member

I sometimes feel the best way to defend the choices we made during the production of this film, is to give people criteria on this site to make a 24 hour film themselves. Cause if you go through the process yourself, the writing, acting, directing, shooting, editing, it would become more apparent why this film is the way it is. Because again one of the main points were addressing for this film is that it was made in 24 HOURS!

I’m not challenging others on this site, but again i think those who have attempted at making a 24 hour film, would realize why many others believe this film is quite good.

And then after you go through the race, we will make sure that you don’t get to defend the fact that your film was made in 24 hours as well.

And as for the whole:

" I got frustrated with the "oh my friends kidnapped! I'll steal some money! Thank you for releasing my friend" comment Klut. ---


Yes i do realize we could have made a movie about Mc hammer, Glue, and grenades, such as "Biltema Superglue" but we felt the Genius of a film of that nature would have gone over our audiences heads, wink but hey feel free to defend the fact that your movie had to be 30 seconds MAX klut! Oh wait i believe the comment would already be in your movie summary already. smile I do enjoy how you voted on your own film as well, seeing that you have such a strong believe that people shouldn’t vote on their own films. Thank you for setting the example for us all. Fact of the matter is, he shouldn't have voted but he did. Everyones done it at least once, lets drop the fact and move on to the actuall production of the film.

Basically the point I’m trying to convey is that this movie had constraints such as time, and a 24 hour time crunch. If others would like to go after it, I would be glad to post some criteria on this site to let others experience the thrill of attempting to make something great in 24 hours.

By the way, thank you Ichaos for your comment, greatly appreciated. Have a good day everyone. Thanks for all the feedback be it positive, negative, or hypocritical. We are all grateful for the fact people feel they should comment on our film.

All in all have a good day everyone

Brian ( Jake Cover)
Posted: Sat, 10th Jun 2006, 6:05pm

Post 128 of 199

Hybrid-Halo

Force: 9315 | Joined: 7th Feb 2003 | Posts: 3367

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 3 Pro User MuzzlePlug User PowerPlug User FXpreset Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

Rating: +1

Oh, most of us already have. More than once. Ninja Interrupted was done in 24 hours and it involved greenscreening and quite complicated edits.

...That's why many of us are able to give what I believe is valuable criticism, we're not attacking - so you needn't defend. Perhaps just take a few things on board, maybe try them out in the future.

And before you attack Klut, Monkey Madness > anything you've ever been involved with. Fact. razz

Last edited Sat, 10th Jun 2006, 6:18pm; edited 1 times in total.

Posted: Sat, 10th Jun 2006, 6:13pm

Post 129 of 199

SNI BRI

Force: 410 | Joined: 27th Aug 2004 | Posts: 60

CompositeLab Pro User FXhome Movie Maker

Gold Member

Again, im not attacking anyone on the site. I’m just saying for those who have done a 24 hour film project understand what its like. For those who haven’t attempted it, i suggest they give it a shot.

I value all the critiques we are getting, because fact of the matter is many of you have watched the film more then once to come up with the critiques they are bringing up. And For that I thank them for paying close enough attention to our film.

I don’t mean to come off hostile, but fact of the matter is that when people tell us not to use he explanation that this had to be 5 minutes long and such, is kind of of a irrelevant point to make, cause those were the constraints.

Again thanks to all the viewers

Brian
Posted: Sat, 10th Jun 2006, 6:16pm

Post 130 of 199

SNI BRI

Force: 410 | Joined: 27th Aug 2004 | Posts: 60

CompositeLab Pro User FXhome Movie Maker

Gold Member

And yes, to answer your question Hybrid, i have been involved with every single one of the Atomic Productions including the upcoming Splinter Cell Project. I'm also Techniquely, a professionall actor SAG card and all. I also own and run my own production company here out of dallas. So my point is as vaild as any one elses
Posted: Sat, 10th Jun 2006, 6:23pm

Post 131 of 199

Arktic

Force: 9977 | Joined: 10th Nov 2003 | Posts: 2785

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 2 Pro User FXhome Movie Maker FXpreset Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

Rating: +1

but fact of the matter is that when people tell us not to use he explanation that this had to be 5 minutes long and such, is kind of of a irrelevant point to make, cause those were the constraints.
And you've missed my point entierly - yes, they are the constraints, but you, as a filmmaker, should be able to come up with a story that works within that set timeframe, or a better way of telling the same story, so that the constraints aren't noticable to the audience.

It's like saying "Thre reason you don't get why it happens so fast is because we couldn't use a crane shot". Right, that might be the case, but you should have found a way around making the story work without a crane shot. In exactly the same way, you can finda way around making it work within 5 minutes.

The fact of the matter is that you shouldn't have to explain anything about the film. So don't say what I've said is 'irrelevant'.

And yes, to answer your question Hybrid, i have been involved with every single one of the Atomic Productions including the upcoming Splinter Cell Project. And i own and run my own production company here out of dallas. So my point is as vaild as any one elses
I think his comment was somewhat tongue-in-cheek razz

Cheers,
Arktic.
Posted: Sat, 10th Jun 2006, 6:24pm

Post 132 of 199

Hybrid-Halo

Force: 9315 | Joined: 7th Feb 2003 | Posts: 3367

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 3 Pro User MuzzlePlug User PowerPlug User FXpreset Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

Rating: +1

I think people are simply tired of excuses where this is involved fullstop . Criticism isn't meant to invoke excuses or justifications rather, provide ideas for future improvements.

When who they are trying to help appears too arrogant to take anything onboard - people just get irritated and instead of criticising to help directly - just criticise to knock <insert director here> off their high horse.

Your points may be valid to some degree, though your own involvement with this project invalidates your point of view due to bias.

I've said before, and I'll say it again. I voted this movie well, though it's not perfect. I voted this movie well taking the time constraints into account, so I'll be damned if I can't criticise it taking them into account too. It's simple, you could have handled it better.

people here have been suggesting improvements so perhaps you should listen.

Last edited Sat, 10th Jun 2006, 6:27pm; edited 1 times in total.

Posted: Sat, 10th Jun 2006, 6:25pm

Post 133 of 199

ribelledude38

Force: 210 | Joined: 8th Aug 2005 | Posts: 25

EffectsLab Lite User

Gold Member

Nice job guys. I think you have done some interesting things with this movie, although, to be honest, I probably would have given it 3/5 if not for the fact that the movie went from conception to completion in 24 hours (kudos, I'm impressed).
I must fundamentally dissent from the notion that quality in movies does not matter. Great ideas for movies come at a dime a dozen, but the ones we remember are the ones where every element of the construction of the film (mis-en-scene) contributes to a resonating, memorable impression in our minds and generally show a relentless respect for the craft of filmmaking.
Having given that rant, there were some understandable problems. Some sound problems (consider recording some background noise by itself in crowded/loud areas for continuity) and some choppy panning at the end.
I really liked the way that the themes were introduced early on and given a symmetry at the end and you generally had a nice, consistent sense of style. Some of the acting was a little melodramatic, which was understandable since you didn't have much time to establish the characters or show an emotional progression; for a five minute movie, that running scene with the voice-over I felt sufficed for a bridge scene. Perhaps you should make a full version of this movie, I think it would be interesting to see what you can do with this movie without time constraints.
Keep up the good work!
Posted: Sat, 10th Jun 2006, 6:37pm

Post 134 of 199

Atom

Force: 4300 | Joined: 9th May 2004 | Posts: 7014

EffectsLab Lite User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Hybrid-Halo wrote:

I think establishing each scene at a specific time of day would have helped - a method which isn't affected by time constraints.

Rooting each scene at a certain time closer to a finale can also be used to create a great sense of urgency without actually having much film at all.
Completely true, and also might I add, something we were hoping to accomplish. But, like you said, the sun doesn't go up and down whenever you want it to. It was shot sequencially, sort of, actually. The beginning shots were shot during the early early morning, and the diner in the later morning. Then robbery scene was during right at noon, and the final scene in the afternoon. The only exception to this are the running shots throughout the movie (not the chasing the car, the others). Those were all filmed right at the crack of dawn, and on the close-ups it shows a little bit. (The harsh sunlight from most front-on shots)
Posted: Sat, 10th Jun 2006, 7:12pm

Post 135 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

ribelledude38 wrote:

Nice job guys. I think you have done some interesting things with this movie,
Thanks so much, ribelledude! I'll definitely think about getting an excess of extra ambient noise to use next time.

Glad you liked the themes and parallelism at the beginning and end, we took a step further in making the movie to emphasize those aspects.

As far as making a full version goes, we considered it, but having seen an all-too-long full version of my friend's entry and having already won first place in the competition; we decided FXHome would be "Cover's Story" 's final frontier, anything else would really just be beating a dead horse. wink

All-in-all, glad you enjoyed the movie, we've got a couple of other little projects- albeit short in length- in store, so keep an eye out for the next few days. smile
Posted: Sat, 10th Jun 2006, 9:12pm

Post 136 of 199

Hybrid-Halo

Force: 9315 | Joined: 7th Feb 2003 | Posts: 3367

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 3 Pro User MuzzlePlug User PowerPlug User FXpreset Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

Rating: +1

I've had to delete some posts, come on guys - the attacker - I've already given you a reason as to why I'm deleting. The attacked - when the attack is so poorly thought out, you could atleast realise that responding only fuels things.

Outright attacks on films, regardless of the actual quality of the film simply won't be tolerated at fxhome - I'm sure the whole moderating team agrees with this as it has always been the case. If someone posts something you feel is out of line then know that it's likely to be dealt with. If it hasn't been, then let the team@fxhome.com know.

Anyone is welcome to criticise a cinema submission, though there are rules of etiquette to follow : both with criticism and general forum discussions which are not so on many other internet forums.

For this reason, newcomers to fxhome normally have to be warned/informed of the unwritten rules. And it's also the reason that fxhome is a good source for amateur film makers. I have great pride in the community here at fxhome and will do everything I can to keep it one of the nicer places to be on the internet. wink

Right, back on topic gentlemen.

-Hybrid.

Last edited Sun, 11th Jun 2006, 12:38am; edited 1 times in total.

Posted: Sat, 10th Jun 2006, 10:00pm

Post 137 of 199

A Pickle

Force: 1235 | Joined: 7th Sep 2004 | Posts: 1280

EffectsLab Lite User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Definitely a 4/5.

The quality of this film is outstanding, particularly given the time constraints. Film quality was outstanding, the filmography was very professional and the acting was superb. It's really grand when you do something of this caliber in a competition and win, having done something similar I'm compelled to give you guys serious ub3r props.

The gun materializing out of nowhere could be a criticism, but given that the film's narration had to do with the ends one would go to survive, I could see where the character might've found a gun. So that didn't bug me too much, and not having an explanation for the weapon might even be a subtle reinforcement of the moral.

You know, I really can't think of anything that warrants a point off... so what the hell?

5/5
Posted: Sun, 11th Jun 2006, 7:51pm

Post 138 of 199

Klut

Force: 2120 | Joined: 16th Apr 2004 | Posts: 1585

VisionLab User FXpreset Maker Windows User MacOS User FXhome Movie Maker

Gold Member

SNI BRI wrote:

I do enjoy how you voted on your own film as well, seeing that you have such a strong believe that people shouldn’t vote on their own films. Thank you for setting the example for us all.
That was because Atom gave it 0 without telling why.
Posted: Sun, 11th Jun 2006, 8:16pm

Post 139 of 199

ashman

Force: 4913 | Joined: 10th Sep 2005 | Posts: 904

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 3 Pro User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

Fact of the matter is, he shouldn't have voted but he did. Everyones done it at least once
Never have, never will.
Posted: Sun, 11th Jun 2006, 8:53pm

Post 140 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Klut, I'm pretty sure he put smileys after that comment, and ashman, I'm pretty sure it was just a figure of speech.

biggrin
Posted: Sun, 11th Jun 2006, 9:29pm

Post 141 of 199

ashman

Force: 4913 | Joined: 10th Sep 2005 | Posts: 904

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 3 Pro User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

I think that the hostility is coming more for you than the movie, I don't know what relationship you have with other community members but people can get annoyed and use the rating system to vent their fustration, I was taken back by your overly confident attitude, so much so I thought you were Arrogant, wether you are or not is a null point in the review of this movie. Point is this movie isn't half bad, when I said I found it confusing it wasn't the plot or cinematography, just details like the gun from thin air, all these have been mentioned out beforehand, sure its not perfect but I admire that you accomplished this in 24hours, I know I couldn't do it, but you guys did, and for that the small mistakes can be forgiven. I think the rating of 3/5 stars is fair and justified.

And as for the comment somewhere in the thread about any lower than 4/5 stars is wrong bla bla bla....

I think people with these attitudes never get better at filmmaking, no filmmaker can ever stop learning EVER. So to be given an opinion from another filmmaker can be no bad thing, it surley helps one another to perfect their skill in creating the vision they desire. The vibe im getting from alot of your past posts (your as in, your collective) is, if people have something to say, don't say it unless its all positive, if it's anything you don't like then your not as good as us and can't see it. Then again I also understand it hurts when somebody reviews work with a negitive write up. I think you could become a great filmmaker, the only thing I can see stopping you is you, take comments on, don't just lash out if somebody says something you don't like, don't let your friends lash out, it reflects badly on Atomic productions, keep learning and embrace feedback, you have been alot better in this thread with the feedback, I hope your friends will follow.
Posted: Sun, 11th Jun 2006, 9:56pm

Post 142 of 199

Atom

Force: 4300 | Joined: 9th May 2004 | Posts: 7014

EffectsLab Lite User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Point taken. Friends lashing out really does screw us over, I agree. Unfortunately, text can't easily convey attitude or tone as well as spoken words can, and can come off as overconfidence or pretentiousness. And, let's face it, pretentiousness is a thing that leaves everybody miserable.

Thanks for the explanation, and taking the time to address it.
Posted: Mon, 12th Jun 2006, 2:05am

Post 143 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

rdelavega, it's sorrt of an unwritten rule that if you vote a 2 or lower on a movie on here, you've gotta substantiate it. Do you honestly think this deserves a 1, the second worst possible vote? I mean, look at all the quick effects tests and other stuff on the site, and look at this. I'm not saying this is completely miraculous, but surely it merits something better than a 1, right?

Please respond, I really wanna know why you voted so.

Last edited Mon, 12th Jun 2006, 1:50pm; edited 1 times in total.

Posted: Mon, 12th Jun 2006, 12:34pm

Post 144 of 199

ashman

Force: 4913 | Joined: 10th Sep 2005 | Posts: 904

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 3 Pro User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

it's sorrt of an unwritten rule that if you vote a 2 or lower on a movie on here, you've gotta substantiate it.
heh just saw this

is that right? Why haven't you replied to the rating of 2 you gave me for my teaser?
Posted: Mon, 12th Jun 2006, 1:41pm

Post 145 of 199

Atom

Force: 4300 | Joined: 9th May 2004 | Posts: 7014

EffectsLab Lite User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

ashman wrote:

it's sorrt of an unwritten rule that if you vote a 2 or lower on a movie on here, you've gotta substantiate it.
heh just saw this

is that right? Why haven't you replied to the rating of 2 you gave me for my teaser?
Is that comment truthfully pertinent to this thread? I doubt it, and it's comments like these that could easily have been PM'd that bog down the discussion. Perhaps you are bothered by Ben because of that comment, but that's no reason to instigate an argument within this thread again.

Now, back on topic:

Rdelvega-
I was just wondering if you would comment or tell me why you believe my movie only warrants a 1 (in the 1-5 star scale of the rating system).

Perhaps you didn't like it, but that's no reason to rate it down as far as effort, technicals, etc. I would just like to know why you think it is only worthy of a 1. Your vote brought our group down substantially in the archives (which really doesn't matter truthfully, I DONT CARE), but if it was a mistake I would like to know.

Voting a 1 on a movie and then not commenting isn't just wrong.......it's quite rude as well.

Please reply. Thanks.
Posted: Mon, 12th Jun 2006, 1:48pm

Post 146 of 199

ashman

Force: 4913 | Joined: 10th Sep 2005 | Posts: 904

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 3 Pro User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

Er yes it is, your putting somebody down becasue they voted your movie 2, and then go as far as kicking and screaming about it. So again what your saying is it's ok for you to vote on other people's movies, and rate them 2, but for others it's not ok. I really can't work you out, you seem to be all over the place, your just overly opinionated and aggressive and it does you no favours. Should have your vote removed from my page because you rated it 2? No i don't, I just get on with it
Posted: Mon, 12th Jun 2006, 1:50pm

Post 147 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Ashman, right after voting, I believe I sent you roughly 57 force or so, with the message, "good job on your teaser" or something along those lines. It may not have gone through because I've had some serious problems with force transfers recently. Also, my vote doesn't hold any weight, so the same rule doesn't as strictly apply to me. It's like a gold user rating Evman's documentary a 1, it just isn't a fair vote; and though he doesn't say much about it, I'm sure it bugs him.

Also, I dunno why you'd have such a callous attitude towards me, I don't have one towards you. In fact, I remember transferring force to you daily for three or so days after when you joined, just to be nice. I remember this because TimmyD PMed me asking why I hadn't done the same thing for him. wink

Also, wondering why someone voted isn't necessarily "kicking and screaming", I think you're taking us more seriously than we take ourselves. biggrin

And while we're *hopefully* going to be on good terms, check out The Baby.

Last edited Mon, 12th Jun 2006, 1:55pm; edited 1 times in total.

Posted: Mon, 12th Jun 2006, 1:54pm

Post 148 of 199

ashman

Force: 4913 | Joined: 10th Sep 2005 | Posts: 904

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 3 Pro User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

I don't have an attitude towards you, not at all. I just don't see the point in arguing over the 2 star rating. The movie is fine and you know this, why get upset over somebody's opinion.
Posted: Mon, 12th Jun 2006, 1:59pm

Post 149 of 199

Atom

Force: 4300 | Joined: 9th May 2004 | Posts: 7014

EffectsLab Lite User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Because we're not getting upset over his opinion. He doesn't have an opinion until he comments. Right now he's just saying it's "terrible" (he gave it a 1, not a 2, which generally states that something was utter rubbish) and not saying why. Commenting is putting up an opinion. Voting is voting. I've Pm'd him about it, so we'll end this here.
Posted: Mon, 12th Jun 2006, 2:00pm

Post 150 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

I guess it's that I don't get mad over the votes going to my movie, I get mad over the people who are voting. If you're too much of a coward to substantiate your low vote, then you don't deserve to vote, IMO. It's just very disheartening to see someone who voted this movie, which alot of people put effort into, a 1 and some odd, quick effects test a 5.

On another note, if you will, check out our new cinema submissions, they should all be up shortly; I think one already is.
Posted: Mon, 12th Jun 2006, 2:07pm

Post 151 of 199

Hybrid-Halo

Force: 9315 | Joined: 7th Feb 2003 | Posts: 3367

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 3 Pro User MuzzlePlug User PowerPlug User FXpreset Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

So... Should the people who voted you a 5 without posting have their votes removed because they don't have an opinion? smile

It was me who initially mentioned the 2-4 etiquette rule, infact I've been campaigning for a system which requires you to post before you can vote either a 1 or a 5. I agree that people should post if their opinion is either expecially low or high on a film.

You're being a bit o.t.t. about things though, he's just another human being - so relax and kindly ask for his opinion as his vote suggested he believed there are ways of improving the film.

-Hybrid.
Posted: Mon, 12th Jun 2006, 2:17pm

Post 152 of 199

Atom

Force: 4300 | Joined: 9th May 2004 | Posts: 7014

EffectsLab Lite User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

At least I'm not the cover boy for some DVD. wink
Posted: Mon, 12th Jun 2006, 2:19pm

Post 153 of 199

ashman

Force: 4913 | Joined: 10th Sep 2005 | Posts: 904

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 3 Pro User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

This thread has raised serious issues if it's even worth having a voting system at all, people get upset on both sides of the camp and it's obvious its being abused, do we really even need it? On another note I'm going to check your movie "the baby" tonight, I hope there's no hard feelings from my previous posts, I don't want you to go away thinking I have a problem with you guys because I don't, I just say things as I see them, I never take sides and never hold a grudge.
Posted: Mon, 12th Jun 2006, 2:22pm

Post 154 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

No grudges here, man, we're cool. We've also got like 5 other movies that are being sumitted, so be sure to check those out if you can. They're not up yet, but some are pending.
Posted: Tue, 13th Jun 2006, 2:53am

Post 155 of 199

pcremag

Force: 470 | Joined: 7th Nov 2005 | Posts: 173

EffectsLab Pro User Windows User

Gold Member

Great movie Atom! It was suspenseful, and recognized some of the actors from screens of Splinter Cell
Posted: Tue, 13th Jun 2006, 6:47am

Post 156 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Ah, yes, I do believe there are some of the same actors from Splinter Cell!
Posted: Tue, 13th Jun 2006, 11:13am

Post 157 of 199

Bryce007

Force: 1910 | Joined: 5th Apr 2003 | Posts: 2609

VideoWrap User Windows User

Gold Member

It's the Crier! Did you have to pay him extra to cry, or did he just throw it in for free?
Posted: Wed, 14th Jun 2006, 12:41am

Post 158 of 199

MC Turtl3n3ck

Force: 218 | Joined: 5th Jun 2006 | Posts: 111

Windows User

Member

He charged thirty-six cents a tear. So the total came out to be somewhere around 6 million dollars.
Posted: Wed, 14th Jun 2006, 2:21am

Post 159 of 199

xefx

Force: 400 | Joined: 23rd Apr 2005 | Posts: 3

EffectsLab Lite User

Gold Member

How did you achieve the depth of field?
Posted: Wed, 14th Jun 2006, 2:33am

Post 160 of 199

Bryce007

Force: 1910 | Joined: 5th Apr 2003 | Posts: 2609

VideoWrap User Windows User

Gold Member

Turtl3n3ck, Thats a STEAL! Although since you only got some software, maybe not...

Are you guys planning on entering this anywhere else?
Posted: Wed, 14th Jun 2006, 2:41am

Post 161 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

The depth-of-field was achieved simply by having the right equipment for the job: our Canon GL2. We accentuated its somewhat shallow depth by changing perspective.

This was obviously done by stepping back about 10 or 15 feet from the subject and zooming in until they were framed properly. So, if you see camera shake in some shots, it's because we're zoomed in so much. biggrin

As far as other entries go, this'll hit the Dallas Video Festival (already got our official selection), and maybe even next years SXSW video division in Austin, but I doubt it'll go further than that. They may release a DVD of the winner of the race, as our Dallas Video Association has done in previous years, but then again, they may not.
Posted: Wed, 14th Jun 2006, 4:03am

Post 162 of 199

the new godfather

Force: 130 | Joined: 10th Oct 2005 | Posts: 476

Windows User MacOS User

Member

Do you have the rights for all the audio in your video?
Posted: Wed, 14th Jun 2006, 4:36am

Post 163 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Yes.
Posted: Wed, 14th Jun 2006, 4:41am

Post 164 of 199

the new godfather

Force: 130 | Joined: 10th Oct 2005 | Posts: 476

Windows User MacOS User

Member

Where did you get them?
Posted: Wed, 14th Jun 2006, 4:46am

Post 165 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

The track at the very, very beginning (it's almost inaudible on the web version, it plays when the clock is shown) is royalty-free stock music from a music archive.

The track that plays when John gets kidnapped outside the diner is from one of FXHome's awesomest members, Rudy Picardo, who has many other tracks to listen to and *maybe* use at rudypicardo.com

The last, very emotional track, was entitled "Afternight", it was composed and sent to me, the day of the race, by another FXHome member, Sean Beeson. I'm pretty sure he stills runs seanbeeson.com, you can listen to some of his tunes there. I contacted him via email, so that might be the best way to talk to him.

See, in order to qualify to turn in our tape at the finish line of the race, we had to have proof we had permission to use everything in the video. Luckily, RudyPicardo's website stated something along the lines of being able to use his stuff (we never could reach him the day of the race, but I believe he was okay with it), and Sean Beeson emailed me, so it all worked out okay.

Hope this helps you out, I know you were talking about using music that you could have actual permission for.

Last edited Wed, 14th Jun 2006, 4:51am; edited 1 times in total.

Posted: Wed, 14th Jun 2006, 4:48am

Post 166 of 199

the new godfather

Force: 130 | Joined: 10th Oct 2005 | Posts: 476

Windows User MacOS User

Member

Cool, could you give me the link to the royalty free music site? thanks. And what about the sound fx
Posted: Wed, 14th Jun 2006, 4:56am

Post 167 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Don't think when something says "royalty-free" it means it's what you need to use. The site we got the opening track from was TheMusicBakery.com, though I wouldn't suggest it, they charge 30 bucks per 60 second clip you use. We met the guy who runs the site, and he let everything on it be free for 5 hours the day of the race.

Honestly, though, Rudy Picardo and Sean Beeson's separate collections of music (which is also royalty-free, might I add) are ten times better than most of the stuff on the Music Bakery. Check out Rudy Picardo's Page and go to "Extra Projects", or something along those lines. There you should see links to the track listings of three separate people.

The lo-fi pounding noises that marked abrupt scene changes were from some external link off of FreeSound.org. Everything else, running noises, clock ticking, some of the other little stuff was all foley, though not the best job at it, might I add. biggrin

Again, I hope this helps you.

EDIT:

Ah, here's the track listings!

http://www.rudypicardo.com/music/JamesPalk/
http://www.rudypicardo.com/music/
http://www.rudypicardo.com/music/JosephPalk/
Posted: Wed, 14th Jun 2006, 5:04am

Post 168 of 199

the new godfather

Force: 130 | Joined: 10th Oct 2005 | Posts: 476

Windows User MacOS User

Member

thanks a bunch man. Did you have to pay Rudy or just email him?


EDIT. oh i was reading around the site and saw that he doesnt charge...awsome!!


Today I was trying to contact Don Davis, hes done work in films such as Jurrasic Parck, Behind Enemy Lines and of course the Matrixes and i called about 5 people and finally got his producer and he wasnt there, but this works even better! They probably charge a few g. lol



And it says to contact them at least on jims page it does, if you plan to use them in any "professional" or "money-making fashion"...did you?
Posted: Wed, 14th Jun 2006, 5:12am

Post 169 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Just make sure you always contact the music's creator before using their work, even if it has been posted somewhere that you can use it. Always best to double check.

And yeah, I'e heard of Don Davis. When you want to get some music permission, you sure do shoot for the moon!

EDIT:

As I said, we couldn't get in contact with Rudy the day of, but he ended up being cool with it; he's also done some tracks for Splinter Cell which have yet to be unveiled. He's definitely an asset to FXHome and its members. wink

Last edited Wed, 14th Jun 2006, 5:14am; edited 1 times in total.

Posted: Wed, 14th Jun 2006, 5:14am

Post 170 of 199

the new godfather

Force: 130 | Joined: 10th Oct 2005 | Posts: 476

Windows User MacOS User

Member

ahahah...well i tried


thanks again...this will really help.
Posted: Thu, 15th Jun 2006, 11:59pm

Post 171 of 199

nanafanboy

Force: 690 | Joined: 1st Sep 2002 | Posts: 345

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

very well done especially in the time you managed it.

congrats
Posted: Mon, 19th Jun 2006, 3:11pm

Post 172 of 199

b4uask30male

Force: 5619 | Joined: 22nd Feb 2002 | Posts: 3497

Windows User

Gold Member

I liked that, I also had to do a 24 film thing, it didn't even get placed so I know how hard it is.

Very well done, good acting.
Posted: Tue, 20th Jun 2006, 12:08am

Post 173 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

b4uask30male wrote:

I liked that, I also had to do a 24 film thing, it didn't even get placed so I know how hard it is.
Oh, that's great that you've done one too, they're fun, aren't they? I guess since you've been through the same thing, you'll understand why I'm making such a big deal about how we only had 24 hours to make it, with no money, and only 5 minutes of time to fill.

You've noted acting, but what do you think of the story, cinematography, lighting, grading, editing, and overall movie? If you had to rate it, what would you give it?
Posted: Tue, 20th Jun 2006, 11:09am

Post 174 of 199

b4uask30male

Force: 5619 | Joined: 22nd Feb 2002 | Posts: 3497

Windows User

Gold Member

Hi

I did like it, the reason I mentioned the acting was because I've seen a lot of "home movies" and the acting lets it down, that film stood out straight away, the main actor I think has a good future if he carries on acting.

The editing was slick, (it has to be for the competition) good camerawork but after a while the handheld style did seem to go on a bit, the out of focus at the start was a nice touch.
Sound was a bit echoy not sure if it was the compression, do you use a boom, I've just brought a proper boom mic and have yet to use it, but I hope it will give me a clearer sound.


I rated it 4, but a very good 4, due to the nature of the story, not my type of story sad

As for the fun on the competition, it was HARD WORK, I was with 2 other guys, one was an fxhomer and we all had different idea's, sadly the other 2 seemed to get their way and the film was made using their idea's. I can't moan though it was a good learning chance for me, the one thing I learned is that I can't work with other people. sad , so I still think you done a great job.
Posted: Tue, 20th Jun 2006, 11:33pm

Post 175 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

When you speak of working with the two other people, I kow how you feel, the same thing happened to our group last year. Everyone tried to get their way, and in doing that, nobody got their way. That's why a guy from our group split off this year to make his own group. Both his and our movie ended up better for it- we got first and he got third.

This year, though, I just shot what needed to be shot, I didn't have much say in the story or voice-over scripts, so I know how you feel about just doing someone else's idea. But like you said, it was indeed a good learning experience, and hopefully I'll benefit from it. biggrin
Posted: Wed, 21st Jun 2006, 12:44am

Post 176 of 199

SNI BRI

Force: 410 | Joined: 27th Aug 2004 | Posts: 60

CompositeLab Pro User FXhome Movie Maker

Gold Member

[quote]

Ben3308:
This year, though, I just shot what needed to be shot, I didn't have much say in the story or voice-over scripts, so I know how you feel about just doing someone else's idea. But like you said, it was indeed a good learning experience, and hopefully I'll benefit from it.

Yes things that we learned:
Brian kicks ass. cool lol

Oh hey we need to discuss the time schedule and everything for the July 2nd shoot, Im gonna need andrew on site as well. He will also have his own paycheck. Get back to me quickly so we can work this out.


Thanks man.
Posted: Wed, 21st Jun 2006, 1:03am

Post 177 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Brian, we'll talk later, though my AIM isn't working, I'm leeching the hotel's internet for free.

For future reference, use PM (personal messages) instead of actually posting in the thread, and I'll check it through my inbox on FXHome. Just press the little "PM" button at the bottom of any of my posts, and it'll open a window to send me a message. Also, make sure to check your own messages after you send me a message. (You can see if you have new messages by checking below the FXHome ad on the top of the page anytime you're in a Community section page)
Posted: Tue, 27th Jun 2006, 1:01pm

Post 178 of 199

toma41

Force: 400 | Joined: 1st May 2006 | Posts: 11

CompositeLab Pro User EffectsLab Pro User

Gold Member

For the music is it possible to take a song, and add a few drum beats in every now and then, as that would be a different song. There must be a way you can edit a song and say it's your own!
Posted: Tue, 27th Jun 2006, 1:13pm

Post 179 of 199

Xcession

Force: 42802 | Joined: 21st Mar 2001 | Posts: 1964

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 3 Pro User Windows User

SuperUser

Nope. To avoid copyright, the song you add "a few drum beats to" must be sufficiently different to the original. This is known as "Derivative work".

But to create derivative work, you also have to have the permission of the copyright holder of the original work. If you don't, your version is just a "copy" and as such is in breach of law.

To go one step further and copyright your derivative work, your derivative (or "new work") has to contain substantial additional material.

I'm unsure who deems what is "substantial". Probably whoever someone goes to when they complain of copyright infringment.
Posted: Tue, 27th Jun 2006, 1:58pm

Post 180 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

toma41 wrote:

For the music is it possible to take a song, and add a few drum beats in every now and then, as that would be a different song. There must be a way you can edit a song and say it's your own!
You actually see this alot of the time in lower budget or spoof movies. When they have a scene that's supposed to be like the Mission: Impossible theme, they'll take the copyrighted composition, change a few notes here and there, and they rerecord the song with the new beats added/subtracted. It almost always sounds off (not the actual M:I theme) but you can still tell what it's mimicking.

True, YOU can't just go add beats to a song, but if you change the integrity of it just enough for it to be legally different, then I'd see you're okay. Oh, and plus what Xcession said.
Posted: Tue, 27th Jun 2006, 11:18pm

Post 181 of 199

MC Turtl3n3ck

Force: 218 | Joined: 5th Jun 2006 | Posts: 111

Windows User

Member

ben3308 wrote:

toma41 wrote:

For the music is it possible to take a song, and add a few drum beats in every now and then, as that would be a different song. There must be a way you can edit a song and say it's your own!
You actually see this alot of the time in lower budget or spoof movies. When they have a scene that's supposed to be like the Mission: Impossible theme, they'll take the copyrighted composition, change a few notes here and there, and they rerecord the song with the new beats added/subtracted. It almost always sounds off (not the actual M:I theme) but you can still tell what it's mimicking.

True, YOU can't just go add beats to a song, but if you change the integrity of it just enough for it to be legally different, then I'd see you're okay. Oh, and plus what Xcession said.
you also see this in tons of tv commercials, like the rendition of sweet home alabama in the KFC commercial.
Posted: Wed, 28th Jun 2006, 12:24am

Post 182 of 199

Bryce007

Force: 1910 | Joined: 5th Apr 2003 | Posts: 2609

VideoWrap User Windows User

Gold Member

Or the Commercial for the Abused women's shelter that uses "hit me baby one more time"..




Was that pistol in here a real one, or a cap gun?
Posted: Wed, 28th Jun 2006, 2:10am

Post 183 of 199

MC Turtl3n3ck

Force: 218 | Joined: 5th Jun 2006 | Posts: 111

Windows User

Member

Bryce007 wrote:

Or the Commercial for the Abused women's shelter that uses "hit me baby one more time"..
lmfao


Bryce007 wrote:

Was that pistol in here a real one, or a cap gun?
It was a real revolver that one of the members of the groups dad owned, it was really cool
Posted: Wed, 28th Jun 2006, 6:23am

Post 184 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

I didn't want to take any risks by using a real gun, but the guy who drove us around in/owned the Chevy Suburban you see in the movie insisted that we use his real revolver.

IMO, the revolver looks WAY better than any black spray-painted airsoft gun.
Posted: Thu, 29th Jun 2006, 2:28am

Post 185 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Just some news to everybody, today Atom and I got our picture taken with all of our equipment and stuff at the diner where we filmed this.

It was for an article about us and our movies that'll be in the August issue of D Magazine, the official magazine on Dallas, TX, the 9th biggest city in the US. It will profile us and what we did to make Cover's Story, as well as how we felt about winning the Video Race.

This is pretty cool stuff, I think. The first time I've gotten any press for anything to do with movies.
Posted: Fri, 14th Jul 2006, 1:07am

Post 186 of 199

drummin dude

Force: 0 | Joined: 4th Jul 2006 | Posts: 14

Windows User

Member

Nice. That store robbery scene was really well pulled off. It's also kind of cool to see this since I live practically right by Dallas.
Posted: Fri, 14th Jul 2006, 12:34pm

Post 187 of 199

davlin

Force: 1572 | Joined: 21st Jan 2002 | Posts: 1088

EffectsLab Pro User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

EXcellent job for a 24 hr time shoot....

Acting was top notch....i loved the narration way cool.....

Paced perfectly......cam work was truly involved.....well done.

Cheers

O'l Dav
Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006, 10:17pm

Post 188 of 199

Serpent

Force: 5426 | Joined: 26th Dec 2003 | Posts: 6515

CompositeLab Pro User EffectsLab Pro User FXhome Movie Maker FXpreset Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

Awesome acting, good theme. But I didn't like the editing nor camera work much at all. The sound effects for cuts you used was really cheap sounding. 4/5 for the little problems. Especially bad editing during the breakfast scene. Congrats on the win. Great for 24 hours, and pretty good overall. I'd re-edit though, not for the contest. But for the web etc.

Er, I'd recompress it too. Lots of bluriness.
Posted: Sun, 23rd Mar 2008, 6:39pm

Post 189 of 199

Ste

Force: 762 | Joined: 12th Apr 2004 | Posts: 116

EffectsLab Pro User FXpreset Maker Windows User

Gold Member

This is one of my favourite films, sorry it took me so long to comment!biggrin
Posted: Sun, 23rd Mar 2008, 8:36pm

Post 190 of 199

Atom

Force: 4300 | Joined: 9th May 2004 | Posts: 7014

EffectsLab Lite User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Heh. Thanks, man! We notice every once in a while it's on another person's Top Ten list. Makes us feel all giddy inside. smile
Posted: Sun, 23rd Mar 2008, 8:37pm

Post 191 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Better late than never, right, Ste! biggrin

It's doesn't matter when you give your thoughts on the movie, so long as you gave your thoughts, so we thank you for that!

If you haven't already seen Cover's Story's competition from the 2006 24-Hour contest, the 2nd place winner Tempus Fugit, which was threaded in the forums, and the 3rd place winner Pegasus is in the FXHome cinema as well. (Cover's Story got 1st in the contest)

Following that, in the 2007 24-Hour contest (the next year) we created Redemption, followed by our higher-acclaimed 48-Hour contest entry, Marathon, which, if you'll read the credits on the latter, you'll find many ties to Cover's Story. wink
Posted: Tue, 22nd Jul 2008, 9:04pm

Post 192 of 199

FXhomer23139

Force: 0 | Joined: 28th May 2008 | Posts: 2

Member

that was really good
good job
Posted: Mon, 8th Sep 2008, 4:46am

Post 193 of 199

Biblmac

Force: 852 | Joined: 12th Jun 2007 | Posts: 1513

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User

Gold Member

Atom wrote:

Heh. Thanks, man! We notice every once in a while it's on another person's Top Ten list. Makes us feel all giddy inside. smile
Bye the way I have 4 of your videos on my top ten. Anyway I thought that the footage was compressed or something, seeing as you probably did this with a GL2 and it looked kind pixely on my computer when full screen. Anyway aside from that, the diner scene with the girl walking bye and talking to her wasn't completely convincing but other than that I enjoyed it and was completely sold by the excellent acting else where. I especially liked the convenience store/gas station robbery scene. Very nice job.
Posted: Wed, 10th Sep 2008, 1:37am

Post 194 of 199

The Strider

Force: 493 | Joined: 27th Jan 2008 | Posts: 230

EffectsLab Pro User FXpreset Maker FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

Great job, guys. Pretty gripping stuff, but it seems to be lacking... "something". 4/5 from me.
Posted: Wed, 10th Sep 2008, 7:28am

Post 195 of 199

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Check out all our other movies, see if they 'do' it for you! biggrin

We made this one years ago, I'd like to think we've improved since then.
Posted: Sat, 25th Apr 2009, 12:03am

Post 196 of 199

Snook360

Force: 903 | Joined: 7th Jan 2007 | Posts: 146

CompositeLab Lite User EffectsLab Pro User FXpreset Maker Windows User

Gold Member

I know this is an old thread now, but I didn't come across this film untill recently. I think you did very well overall, especially in the music. I'm working on a short film with a very similiar tone/feel. I may be wrong but I thought you said you enede up having to get all the music from the internet. If so is there any way you could tell me where you got the track for openning narration (the part where Brian is talking and the "tension" music starts building)? Also the music starting at about 00:03:58 was very good. Any chance you could point me to the site you got it from? I completetly understand if you don't know where they are anymore, but if you do, it would be very appreciated.

- Snook360
Posted: Sat, 25th Apr 2009, 2:11am

Post 197 of 199

Atom

Force: 4300 | Joined: 9th May 2004 | Posts: 7014

EffectsLab Lite User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Not at all. The tension song is an untitled track off of the royalty free composing site TheMusicBakery.com. The last played track is called 'Afternight' and is from composer Sean Beeson; who offered a whole volume of useful royalty free songs several years ago. Sadly, I think the pack had since been removed by Sean and the offer no longer out there.

The rest of the music in the movie is also original stuff composed by Sean Beeson- nearly all my movies use him. An excellent composer and asset to have.
Posted: Sat, 25th Apr 2009, 2:52am

Post 198 of 199

Snook360

Force: 903 | Joined: 7th Jan 2007 | Posts: 146

CompositeLab Lite User EffectsLab Pro User FXpreset Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Thanks, I am searching for the tension track now. biggrin Can't seem to find anything under "untitled", though... Did you get the track for free or have to purchase it?
Posted: Sat, 25th Apr 2009, 4:07am

Post 199 of 199

Atom

Force: 4300 | Joined: 9th May 2004 | Posts: 7014

EffectsLab Lite User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

It's a track for purchase, but I got it for free (all videorace entries got to choose one song to get for free from the library).