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"Bad Day"

Posted: Thu, 1st Jun 2006, 10:03am

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A short movie that goes along with the song "Bad Day", by Daniel Powter. Fully utilizing EffectsLab Pro for all special effects used in the movie.

Plot:
An assasin holding a grudge against a large supermarket chain decides to start killing off employee's! Action ensues as the bagger/cashier fights for his life in a no holds barred fight sequence.

This is my first movie using EL. If there's a better way to do anything in the movie, please let me know. Also, constructive criticism is encouraged.


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Posted: Fri, 2nd Jun 2006, 12:28am

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jgtrox2

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ok great movie with the effects and all there is just two problems
ok ..
i do not see why he was beaing hunted
and was is a bad day for both of them
Posted: Fri, 2nd Jun 2006, 3:06am

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Jrad

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haha...that was entertaining
Posted: Fri, 2nd Jun 2006, 7:55am

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The effects in this were really good, but there's a few glaring errors that I'm sure can be fixed and improved upon.
The Cinematography
The use of zooms and pans from a tripod looked bad. Awful, almost. When you attempted to move the camera back and forth on the tripod on both the x and y axis, it looked like you were moving the camera on a tripod. Consider brushing up your steady arm and going handheld for that kind of movement (simple panning), it'll look loads better.

Also, unless you're doing sketch-style comedy, stay away from zooming completely. It ALWAYS looks bad. Some pretty solid framing, but it doesn't make up for all the bad framing/zooming.


The Editing
Whilst you did have some creative effects go off at different points in the song, this editing seemed really off to me. Some of the cuts cut to a clip where the action was taking place to early. If you can, always cut in the middle of an action.

For instance, let's say person A throws a punch. In a good edit, you'd clip the first angle mid-punch and cut to the second angle. Whereas in this video, you clipped mid-punch, but then showed part of the beginning of the punch in the following shot. This loss of continuity leads to general flaws in the editing.

Also, you cut too many times at some points and not enough at others. Editing is an art, and to successfully create that art, you need to have a good balance; meaning make sure you cut often and not often enough on all the right things.

The Music
Didn't make ANY sense whatsoever in the context of what you were showing. Yeah, yeah, I get it, he couldn't start his car, so he's having a "bad day". Still, it was a little hard to follow, and it seemed like you just added in the song because you liked it. Have your movie dictate the song, not the song dictate the movie (unless of course it's a music video).
Posted: Fri, 2nd Jun 2006, 1:13pm

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Ben,
Thank you for the pointers, as they are all valid and helpful towards my next film. Let me give you a few reasons for each of the points (not excuses)

The camera-work: I am usually the camera man for our movies, but my brother said I should be the one in it this time. So we were going to have my other bro do the camera work, but something came up and he had to leave. So we subbed my 12 y.o. brother. Not a good idea, as seen.

Most of the editing is a direct result of the camera work. My older bro (the assasin) had 1 day off of work, so we filmed like mad, not knowing how bad the camera work would be. So I patched it as best I could.

And as for the music, there were alot more things throughout the movie to constitute the Bad Day title and song. For example, waking up 4 hours late, pan catching on fire, car not starting, and top most, being hunted down to be killed. The song is very relevant as to its material, and yes, I did attempt to make a movie around a song. So sue me.

Anyway, thank you for the pointers, and i'll definetly be the cameraman for the next movie endevour. =P

-Cadaver
Posted: Fri, 2nd Jun 2006, 2:43pm

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I liked the opening sequence, where they're both getting ready to go out. It was very good. After that, this was just violence for violence's sake, with barely average stunts, effects, and much too slow cutting. So stick to the non-action sequences, and you're good.
Posted: Sat, 3rd Jun 2006, 1:34am

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jgtrox2

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ok here is what i think again
what i think could have been done better was not the camra it was the acting and effects when the killer threw the bomb you got ready to jump befour the bomb exploided and you cold of vixed that by eather retaking and acting like you were going to try to run

one more thing i woud have been mad if some dude shot my car
Posted: Sat, 3rd Jun 2006, 1:54am

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ben3308

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Cadaver wrote:

Ben,
Thank you for the pointers, as they are all valid and helpful towards my next film. Let me give you a few reasons for each of the points (not excuses)
Thanks for responding to what I said. I completely understand all of the stuff you had going on, and how not being in control of the camerawork led to 'patchy' parts in the editing.

Though it wasn't your fault, this could still have seen better technicals. Still, I commend you for your effort on this short film, and look forward to new stuff.

All-in-all, it's a solid 3/5. Good job.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 3:58pm

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jgtrox2

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hey i was worden i no or i am pretty sure that u used the light sabers out of pvc pipe but did u use two as the handle and then switch it two a longer pice of pvc pipe?
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 4:46pm

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Good effects, just the whole fight scene was just sorta random. You should of included why they were fighting. Maybe you should of put something why the thug attacked him in the first place. To me it looked like a movie just to gain expirience with EL which is perfectly fine. But trying to add a story line to it didn't work out. I think you did very well with the effects and your explosions. Also the music was just there. Maybe next time put some dialogue into it.

It was overal very entertaining 3 out of 5
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 8:13pm

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Cadaver

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jgtrox2 wrote:

hey i was worden i no or i am pretty sure that u used the light sabers out of pvc pipe but did u use two as the handle and then switch it two a longer pice of pvc pipe?
We had taken a PVC pipe and made two handles out of them. In the scene where the employee/good guy ignites the lightsaber, that was just the handle. But in the next scene, the good guy was holding a pole, so as to make the saber editing easier.

Yes, this was more of an experiment with EL Pro more than anything, hence the obvious movie and technical plot holes.

Thanks for the feedback everyone! This is definetly going to help me with my next feature! Also, please be sure to vote!

-Cadaver
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 4:28am

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This is one of those movies where you can't stop watching it...even if its bad.

The effects were great...but it had no plot. Yet, I watched.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 1:01pm

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Just FYI for everyone, the reason why they are fighting is on the movie description page. I thought that would be the place it would be read first, but I guess not...

-Cadaver
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 2:08pm

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I'm getting an error saying that the link can't be save, file is not there, etc. Is that my network connection or has the file been removed?
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 3:17pm

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I just got an email from the host (Archive.org) and they pulled it down. They sent me a form letter, so i'm not exactly why it was pulled, but I need to find a new host. Sorry everyone about this, if anyone would be willing to host this video, please let me know.

-Cadaver
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 7:25pm

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jgtrox2

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hey if you want a site where you can put movies up there
its www.piczo.com
NOTE: The site is not for movies but you can put the code in a html and it will play it
Posted: Thu, 8th Jun 2006, 3:40pm

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For a First Attempt at FX affects you have definitely done a above average job. But I have watched conservatively 300 plus movies here on FX. One of the differences between a experienced user of FX affects compared to someone just learning, is definitely in the timing of the effect. A perfect example is when there is an explosion. If it is done right the shot showing the explosion will end before the explosion affect dissolves away enough to where the background becomes clearly visible revealing that nothing was burned or damaged. If this is not done the effect looks cheap and totally fake. Another Example is with the muzzle blast if it is done right the density or brightness should be just visible in the scene when shot in broad daylight. I grew up with firearms I have shot 44 Magnum pistols for many years and I can assure you that in broad daylight the muzzle blast is just visible. In your final scene when you grab the Carbine rifle and cocked it. It would have been a lot more realistic if the total time it took you before you start shooting was about four times faster.

Lou
Posted: Fri, 9th Jun 2006, 12:24pm

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I don't understand how anyone could like that song.
Posted: Fri, 9th Jun 2006, 9:08pm

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This movie was.....interesting, to say the least. The acting wasn't great. The song was good, but I didn't think it fit the movie well, regardless of what was going on.

The thing that bothered me the most, the reason I even created an account here, was the extremely obvious and incoherent use of a t-post driver as a bazooka. Honestly, it just looked ridiculous; comparable to someone trying to shoot someone with a rake- it just doesn't make sense. As soon as I saw it, I thought "oh, why does need a t-post driver to kill people? Is he building a fence to trap him in or something?" And then, when I saw that it had smoke coming out of it, I fell out of my chair laughing. A t-post driver as a bazooka?!? It is SOOOOOOOO obvious! How many bazookas do you know of that have two handles on the sides?

I guess it's because I'm in a family of farming, so I'm used to being around that sort of equipment; but to me it just looked completely off, ultimately ruining the movie for me. The movie was good up until I saw the t-post driver being used as a weapon, from then on I just couldn't get past it. My friend was watching this, and I came by him to see what it was, and I thought the movie pretty good....UNTIL THE T-POST DRIVER. It RUINS the movie! I'm so angered by this I had to take the time to make an account and write this. Maybe next time think a little harder about what you can use for a bazooka, instead of just picking up whatever crap you find in your garage.

All-in-all, okay movie, but the t-post driver just RUINS it for me.

2/5, good attempt, but no t-post drivers next time, please.
Posted: Fri, 9th Jun 2006, 10:01pm

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"T Post Driver",
I hate to break it to you, but I didn't spend a dime on this movie. Nope, not one cent, as many (almost all) of the other movies on FXHome do. Naturally, I use whatever I have to pass as certain weapons in my movies. I see no reason in spending money on an elongated effects test, especially if I have pretty much everything else.

So I used a T post driver...so what? Is it so unreal to believe? It fit the purpose quite nicely. If you're so attuned to farm/outdoor items, why didn't you notice the chopped-to-size PVC pipes for lightsaber handles? Or the croquet ball as a grenade? How about the iced tea used instead of actual coffee? What about the camera bag seen on the back patio?

You see, when you watch an amateur movie (heck, even most professional movies), you have to accept the fact that most of what is happening, surprisingly, can never actually happen. You have to presume that what they're doing can warrant the reaction that will spawn from their catalyst action, also known as using imagination. So i'm sorry that one bazooka-subbed object "ruined" your viewing expierience, but frankly, using it as a sub is not so far-fetched, and when I made the movie I did not plan on buying anything.

-Cadaver

P.S. I'd advise you stay away from Room I & II if you think the T post driver is bad.
Posted: Sat, 10th Jun 2006, 7:59pm

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I agree with you Cadaver. Some people are too quick to nit pick props in $0 budget movies. If I get the urge to film something it's usually a spur of the moment thing and I use to my best what I have acess too. Now if a multi-million dollor action flick used a T-Post Driver as a bazooka then you would have room to complain. As I am just starting to get my equipment in order I don't have time or room in my budget to buy all the "official" equipment and props. Hell if I had money laying around everywhere I'd make some damn fine films. But everything in this world costs money so most of us have to make due with whats locally available.

As for the movie. It was enjoyable I didn't think any of the props used looked bad but the lightsaber hilts. I like that you ran the full gambit of effects lab.

Very nice squeezing everything in. The acting and camera work needed to be improved. I know how it is trying to find people to work on your projects. I find myself spending most of my time infront of the camera using tripod shots of me killing my clones because it's hard getting actors. I would prefer never to be on cam. I lose so much control over the scene when others run it.

As for the effects the saber fight coreography needed to be faster and the spark hits on the car smaller. As well as the blood spray at the end. Go lighter more transparent with the spray and you will get a more believe able effect.

http://www.darkesthourfilms.com/clips/sniperredux.wmv
Example of the spray I used for a headshot. (Hurray for clones killing clones!)

Other then that it was enjoyable and it went well with the song.
I'll give it a rating of 2/5
Posted: Sun, 11th Jun 2006, 5:37pm

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hey i was worden how u did the time at the start like where it seaid 7:30 what did u use to do that
Posted: Mon, 12th Jun 2006, 2:07pm

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jgtrox2,
I edit my movies in Pinnacle Studio 9 Plus, so what I did was select a text overlay and change the text, font, and color to what I needed. I know you can do this in VideoWave as well by selecting the text tab, entering your text, and selecting the font and color.

-Cadaver
Posted: Tue, 13th Jun 2006, 10:56pm

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i think that was a well made movie, the effects where well done, however there should have been sound effects and some better suited musice for the main fight sequences, and maybe even some voice acting in there somewhere