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Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 2:10am

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bBrown

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Hey everyone,

I recently started work on my new film, since my War of the Worlds fan film had too much CGI for the budget.

My new film will take place during the Holocaust, and I realized I would need good color grading and muzzle effects for the film. This is when I thought of FXHome, once again.

However, before I purchase FXLab, I wanted to make sure of some things:

If I need a specific color grading filter that's only available for CompositeLab, could someone also make it and submit it for FXLab's presets?

Night filters- how do they end up turning out when placed in a film?

Muzzle shots- do they look quite realistic?

Will I be able to request a certain preset (granted it's relatively simple to make and not copyrighted) and have it made for me if I register?

If I think of more questions, Ill post them here.

Thanks!

-Brown
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 2:27am

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Compositelab has a set of different grading filters that effectslab doesn't have. It is a more powerful program in that area. Therefore, it can do more extensive grading. The preset for Compositelab will work in Effectslab except that it wont include the filters that are compositelab only. so for example, if it used both "whirl" and "saturation" only saturation would work in effectslab.

You can nicely ask people to make presets for you, and they usually will.

THe muzzle flashes are as good as you make them. They can look profesional.

SGB
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 2:27am

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Welcome to the site. Let me see if I can answer those questions:

If I need a specific color grading filter that's only available for CompositeLab, could someone also make it and submit it for FXLab's presets?
Yes and no. CLab has some features that ELab does not, so not all presets could be replicated properly, but a similar look could most likely be generated.

Night filters- how do they end up turning out when placed in a film?
I myself have not used night filters, but I assume that they would look fine. Just look at some before/after pictures in the preset library.

Muzzle shots- do they look quite realistic?
They look great to me and many others. Very realistic, and you can get all sorts of types, but if you don't like them, you can always download stock footage/images.

Will I be able to request a certain preset (granted it's relatively simple to make and not copyrighted) and have it made for me if I register?
Absolutely. Feel free to ask if you ever need help with anything preset related, program related, etc. Feel free even to request some more complex ones, just don't assume that someone will automatically make one for you.

And on the copyright issue, the presets are technically not copyrighted, but if you use CLab or ELab in any of your movies, you must give credit at the end. There are some credit videos that you can download on the site. If you own VLab however, you do not need to add credit.

Hope this helped, and feel free to ask as many questions as you would like smile

NickD


EDIT: Darn. SGB beat me to it wink
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 2:32am

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This is where you try the Effects Lab DV or Pro demo wich you can find in the installers page of the site. The link is below.

http://fxhome.com/effectslab/effectslab-downloads.html

There you can see for your self how good it is smile. For your other qestions like.


"If I need a specific color grading filter that's only available for CompositeLab, could someone also make it and submit it for FXLab's presets?"

You can only download presets that work for your program lets say if you want a preset for Effects Lab DV and the filter that you want to use for a preset is in Composite Lab DV it will not work for Effects Lab DV.

"Night filters- how do they end up turning out when placed in a film?"

There is a "Day For Night" Filter in Vision Lab HD but TimmyD made a preety good looking Day For Night filter for all of the lab products wich you can find at the link below.

http://fxhome.com/presets/info_cache/preset58.html

"Will I be able to request a certain preset (granted it's relatively simple to make and not copyrighted) and have it made for me if I register?"

There is a "Preset Request" forum in the community forums. You can make a topic of somthing that you want and the community that wants to try and make your desired preset will try and make what you want.

Every thing else you can find out in the demo good luck smile.

EDIT: Dang I was beat to wink.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 2:42am

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bBrown

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NickD wrote:

And on the copyright issue, the presets are technically not copyrighted, but if you use CLab or ELab in any of your movies, you must give credit at the end. There are some credit videos that you can download on the site. If you own VLab however, you do not need to add credit.
Now, would I strictly have to put the FXHome credit vid at the end of my film, or could I put FXLab credits in my film credits... maybe put the logo in there or something in black and white to mix with the credit text?
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 2:48am

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Harvey

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All that FXhome requires is that you credit them if you are using the DV or Pro versions of their products. The credit movies are just something they offer as a convenience; you do not have to use them.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 6:21am

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You can use the credit movies they have created for you, but you could credit them in a lot of different ways, like putting in a black/white logo at the end of the scolling credits. That would look quite cool.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 6:27pm

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Redhawksrymmer wrote:

You can use the credit movies they have created for you, but you could credit them in a lot of different ways, like putting in a black/white logo at the end of the scolling credits. That would look quite cool.
Yeah. I would end up doing that, replicating what Spielberg does for ILM in his credits... instead of just having text though, I'd add in a black and white FX Home logo for it. smile
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 11:40pm

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bBrown

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For the concentration scene at night, I wanted to do a silouhette (sp.) of the fences in the camp, much like this:
http://www.znak.com.pl/eurodialog/ed/1/img/kpw/auschwitz.jpg

Would it be possible for me to film a scene of an empty field, looking up at the sky (like in the pic), then could a preset be made to put on top of the footage, to make it look like the black silouhette of the fences and watch houses?... then I could add a night filter to the sky part?

Is that possible ?
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 11:44pm

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You wouldn't need a preset, but you could accomplish this with stock or a digital matte painting, yes. And the software would allow you to integrate those elements into your footage.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 11:13am

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The credits page includes still images for people that want to integrate the FXhome credit into a normal text credits roll. There's a variety of images to suit most styles.

We don't really recommend EffectsLab for general grading purposes. The grading filters in elab are selected mainly for colour correction and effects blending. If you're looking to do advanced grading we'd recommend investigating CompositeLab Pro or VisionLab (which has the widest selection of grading filters).
Posted: Wed, 7th Jun 2006, 12:35am

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bBrown

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When color grading my film:

Can I put the Basic Pro setting on all of my footage to polish it up, and then freely add any other filter that I want after that?

For example:

I add on the basic pro setting... then decide to put a night setting on top of that.

Is that possible?
Posted: Wed, 7th Jun 2006, 1:25am

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Yep. You can layer multiple filters on top of each other
Posted: Wed, 7th Jun 2006, 7:45am

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Simon K Jones

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The order of filters is important, remember, and can make a big difference. For example, try applying a gaussian blur, then a mosaic filter. Then swap them around (drag one above the other) and you'll see the result is different. So it's quite important to plan your filters if you want to get the best results.
Posted: Wed, 7th Jun 2006, 11:16am

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Do you folks suggest I add the CLab FX to my film once it's fully edited and completed? Example: All music, editing, titles are completed.
Posted: Wed, 7th Jun 2006, 11:25am

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Simon K Jones

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Generally, compositing and effects should be done once the edit is complete but before any sound/title/etc work.

Doing it after the initial edit is complete will hopefully mean you won't waste time compositing shots that might not make it to final cut.

However, you can't really add sound and music until all the visuals are in place, so those steps should wait until after compositing. Similarly, titling should be done after compositing, although this is only really important if the titles are going to be going on any of the composite shots.

You might find this tutorial useful:

http://fxhome.com/support/tutorials/view.php?i=22

I go into more detail in that tute, but a good order of post-production is:

1. Editing
2. Visual effects
3. Compositing
4. Grading
5. Sound and music

Each step generally requires all the previous steps to have been completed to some degree.
Posted: Sat, 17th Jun 2006, 1:48am

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bBrown

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The cloning tool in C-Lab...

is that hard to use? and will it require a greenscreen?

How exactly does it work out?
Posted: Sat, 17th Jun 2006, 10:02am

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Simon K Jones

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There isn't a specific 'cloning tool', it's more that CompositeLab's features enable lots of different effects, including cloning.

The simplest method is to film your actor twice, once in one part of the frame and then again in another part (without moving the camera). You can then take these two shots, and then stitch them together using masking.
Posted: Sun, 18th Jun 2006, 3:11pm

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bBrown

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up to how many times could I clone someone?
Posted: Sun, 18th Jun 2006, 3:20pm

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bBrown wrote:

up to how many times could I clone someone?
You can have at least 24 tracks over each other, but if I'm not mistaken there's unlimited how many tracks you can have. So basicly you can have an unlimited group of clones in your shot.. wink


Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Oeyvind
Posted: Sun, 18th Jun 2006, 7:02pm

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And if you do run into a limit on how many layers you can have, you could always render that out, and then duplicate that group of clones in a new project, to get even more.