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Using Jedi "force" on a lightsaber [ANSWER]

Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 2:41am

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jgtrox2

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i no this has already been asked but i dont have the money for a green or blue screen
could someone please make a tut on how to use the force to make a lightsaber come to you
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 2:50am

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It is a very simple process. All you hve to do is throw the light sabre away from you when filming. Then in your editing software simply reverse the clip. Then instead of the light sabre being thrown away it will appear it is coming to you magically. To get the best results experiment a few times. Eventually you will get it to look right.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 2:51am

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Attach some fishing line to the lightsaber prop and have someone pull it where it needs to go. Have someone out of frame throw the lightsaber prop to your actor. Have your actor throw the lightsaber prop and then reverse the clip in post. There are lots of possibilities, use your imagination and come up with something. smile
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 2:56am

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ok i have heard of a blue suit but if i reverse it will look like im catching somthing real heavy because my arm will move back because it had to move fwd. to throw the light saber ... and my camra will pick up the fishing line anymore help?
and just for trying to help i am going to give you both a rate up
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 2:56am

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Going to the extreme: Model a 3D saber and use that as a prop for your force pull. Just have a shot of it flying up, then show the actor reaching out of frame and pulling up a saber, which is really a prop.

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Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 2:58am

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i cant rate u up nick d because it really dident help me and if you no how to do that i would like a program to make it thanks for trying to help i will rate u up if you get me a free program that works
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 3:02am

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Doesn't matter smile My only advice is this: Use clever editing to make it seem realistic (ie, use two seperate shots, one of the saber flying in the air, and one of the actor catching it out of frame and bringing it up. Cut it right, and it should work.

Oh, and as far as getting a 3D model or a free program, here you go:

Programs
Blender
Wings3D

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Check in the AlamDV plugins section, they have some great lightsaber hilt still in there. Download the plugins and extract the images as an image stream. I'll show you how if you don't know.

Or take some pictures of a saber hilt, and in a photo editing program, make the background transparent.

Cheers,
NickD


EDIT: Here are some AlamDV plugins to look at. Scroll through the page, and you will notice that there are quite a few saber hilt stills. They may not be exactly what you are looking for, but with motion blur they could work:

http://fxhome.com/alamdv2/plugins/list.php?cat=34

Still, I think it might be easier just to be practical and pull it off with editing and a prop.

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Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 3:02am

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The way I would do it is with a few shots. The first shot you would have your actor reach his hand out towards the lightsaber. Then tie some fishing line to the lightsaber (I'm sure if you do it right you won't be able to see the fishing line) and do a closeup on the saber as someone jiggles the it and starts to slowly move it towards the actor. Then cut to a shot of the actor catching the lightsaber thrown to him by someone off camera. If you wanted you can do what NickD suggested and model a 3D saber for a quick shot of it flying through the air although that might be difficult.

If you shoot and edit it right it should turn out nicely. Good luck!
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 3:04am

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Good advice there Harvey. Editing is a powerful tool when it comes to things like this, and should never be underestimated.

NickD
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 3:17am

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Oh and in case you didn't realize, here is a thread on this very same topic:

http://fxhome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=23750
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 6:19am

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You could go with the fishing line method, then film a "clean" background plate (= nothing except the background) on exactly the same place.. Then mask out the fishing line from your original footage. Voila!
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 2:52pm

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i no that there was a thread it says that in my quistion
but i even answerd a quistion there but i dont have a blue or green screen
and my quistion wasent answerd
oh yea +1 to you nick for helping
oh and if you would please everyone that will do this please rate up there replys they need a 2 atleast
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 3:24pm

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Glad to help, but if I were you, I wouldn't take my suggestion. It's a lot easier just to be practical and pull it off with clever editing. wink

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Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 4:52pm

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i no it will not look right if i put it in reverse
Posted: Sun, 4th Jun 2006, 6:34pm

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Actually it looks great, as long as you pull it off right when you shoot it. One thing that makes it look more realistic if you plan to play it backwards is this:

Rather than throwing the lightsaber away from you, try to "push" it away. It looks much better in reverse.

But, really editing is a key thing as I have said before

Cheers,
NicKD