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First Poster for the movie "IKARI"

Is this poster enough to get you interested in what this film may be about? If your answer is no please tell me what I could do to possibly improve that response ;)

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Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 3:55am

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This is my first poster for the film that my crew and I are working on titled "IKARI"


Let me know what you guys think!

Thanks......


http://www.geocities.com/juidar/IKARI.JPG

or if that doesn't work:

http://s9.quicksharing.com/v/1931407/IKARI.JPG.html
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 4:14am

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It's a nice poster, but it shows absolutly nothing about the movie for me to be interested in except that is appears to be in space. Put a few half faded pics of some actors or maybe a ship flying by and give it a catchy sub title like most movie posters have. Like men in Black 2 (underneath) They're back.

That sort of thing. Apart from that it's great. =D
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 4:20am

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Well it's an alright poster, but definately a lot to improve. I recently made a poster for my own movie -



It's modelled basically like most other posters. First note the aspect ratio is vertical not horizontal like yours. You would benefit from more interesting fonts, and some more interesting effects such as the ones I applied.

Which program are you using to create your poster?
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 4:30am

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Hey Evman, is that going to be a real movie or just a re-release of the older versions?

Rogue53 wrote:

It's a nice poster, but it shows absolutly nothing about the movie for me to be interested in except that is appears to be in space. Put a few half faded pics of some actors or maybe a ship flying by and give it a catchy sub title like most movie posters have. Like men in Black 2 (underneath) They're back.

That sort of thing. Apart from that it's great. =D
not necessarilly....all you really know is that it has something to do with planet earth....it may be in space OR a pirate in Port Royal.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 4:32am

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You might want to Filter the colors so it doesn't look like they were Cut out of DV video...
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 4:37am

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Frozenpede wrote:

Hey Evman, is that going to be a real movie or just a re-release of the older versions?
It's a re-edit of American Idiots 2 that we submitted to (and are in the finals of) a local filmfest with a completely copyright free tag. It's magically half the length of the original AI2 tard
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 4:39am

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I think it needs a bit more work. It doesn't look like a movie poster at the moment. The text is particularly weak, like it was an afterthought. The images aren't very inspiring either; The man on the left is out of focus, and the girl has a weird split, with smudging that looks as though you've tried to fix it?

I think if you went for a standard US one-sheet layout, you'll find it easier to place the text in a more dynamic way (and in the case of the credits, the correct way). I'm all for breaking away from conformity, but in the case of things like movie posters, you need to stick to certain rules (credit text is always in the same font, almost always situated at the bottom).

Evman wrote:

You would benefit from more interesting fonts, and some more interesting effects such as the ones I applied.
In all honesty Evman, your text is worse than Juidar's. It's a mess. The blurring and heavy handed use of Bevel / Emboss make it unpleasant to read. Less is more in this case.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 4:55am

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It's meant to be hard to see, especially the tag line, and since the movie in no way deserves such a mysterious poster and intense poster, I decided to give it one. biggrin
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 2:51pm

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Well thanks everybody for the feedback I can see I have some work to do.

I have someone who is going to help me out with the making of this poster and I very sure we will see some major improvement.

Thanks again!
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 5:05pm

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Also, mask feathering is your friend when it comes to cut outs man.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 5:55pm

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Evman wrote:

It's meant to be hard to see, especially the tag line
That's just bad design - what's the point in making a poster that nobody is going to be able to read. To be honest, JUIDAR's poster has a better sense of composition about it, even though it's not in the right format and it's less technically competent.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 6:13pm

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Yeah, don't go for Evman's design Juidar, it's not really a good example... In fact, it's a bad example... Pretty much of what you can do wrong is wrong in that image... :I


Yours is better already, even though leaves a lot open to wish for too.

Some pointers:

- The text at the bottom is random. And too much text. Have a look at proper movieposters and either use one of those (You'll find the typical "movie poster text", simply because it's easy to read).

- Some text is at the bottom of the picture, never do that. Leave space.

- You use pretty much all colors there are. Don't wildly mix any color, think of a basic color scheme and regrade your poster (doesn't mean only using a sepia style color scheme, but have a dominant color!)

- The tagline at the top right is completely misplaced. I only spotted it's there just now.

- That "effect" with the girl being split in two parts doesn't work. It looks like a mistake.

- Try to generally fiddle with the images. They look very "cut out" as they are now. They don't blend together too well.

- And yes, change the format of the poster. Posters have international formats, use one of those, not some random thing. smile
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 6:16pm

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Heh, Sollthar and Arktic have said it all. Be wise and follow their advice smile
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Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 6:23pm

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I'm with Sollthar and Arktic on this one as well.

Another suggestion is a colour theme. At the moment the people in the poster look like their photos were taken in different lighting/colour conditions so they don't mesh together. If you can get photos of them all with the same lighting and colour tones it will help.

The other option is to grade each element a bit so they look more like they belong in the same image.

I think its a good try with some decent composition to the images and you should be able to improve it easily. Sort out the text at the bottom (remember decent margins are always important) and it will instantly look better as well.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 8:40pm

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Arktic wrote:


That's just bad design - what's the point in making a poster that nobody is going to be able to read. To be honest, JUIDAR's poster has a better sense of composition about it, even though it's not in the right format and it's less technically competent.
Well its supposed to make people want to work to see what it says, to get interested in it enough to look harder. The most important stuff is easily seen, but the less important stuff is semi-hidden. No one can say whether or not it is "bad", since it's subject to opinion, but if you guys don't like it, whatever, guess you just didn't like what I was going for, thats all.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 8:41pm

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pretty cool, it needs some fixing though
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 8:48pm

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No one can say whether or not it is "bad", since it's subject to opinion, but if you guys don't like it, whatever, guess you just didn't like what I was going for, thats all.
Is it really that hard to understand? You're wrong, sorry...

There's certain rules when it comes to graphical context, similar as there are rules to other context (such as the filmlanguage rules I have made a topic for). The reason many posters look similar is the simple reason they all apply to the certain basic rules.
Even the ones you might think don't when you first look at them.

Not everything in this world is a matter of opinion I'm afraid. Of course, there's a part that is open to interpretation, but it's not 100%.

Obviously though, if you're happy with it, be happy with it.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 8:58pm

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Evman wrote:

Well its supposed to make people want to work to see what it says, to get interested in it enough to look harder
Well, it doesn't work like that - it just looks unatractive. Hence, it's badly designed for the purpose it seeks to fill.
No one can say whether or not it is "bad"
So yes, I can say that it's 'bad' because it doesn't fit it's intended purpose. Unless the intended purpose is to make people go "Oh, what a horribly designed poster, I won't watch that movie!" razz

Some people on these forums need to maybe think about the way they deal with criticism - as soon as someone points out a flaw in their work, certain people are all too quick to jump to their defensive battlestations, screaming "It's meant to be like that!" or "If you don't like it you just haven't got what I was going for!".

If you're having to respond like that a lot, then something fishy is going on, right? If nobody is 'getting' your stuff - take a long hard look at your work and think how the comments and criticisms apply to it.

Cheers,
Arktic.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 9:00pm

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Thanks for the feedback Solthar and everyone else I actually manage to find someone who's more of a professional at making these sort of things and I'm eager to see what he comes up with.

But thanks again for everybodies opinions and wisdom.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 9:04pm

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No one can say whether or not it is "bad", since it's subject to opinion, but if you guys don't like it, whatever, guess you just didn't like what I was going for, thats all.
If you had any background in design you would know this statement isn't true at all.

Given an object is well designed (or has been designed a way for a specific reason) then taste can be a deciding factor but well before this there is design which CAN be good, bad or average and has pretty much nothing to do with opinion.

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Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 9:04pm

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Evman wrote:

It's meant to be hard to see, especially the tag line, and since the movie in no way deserves such a mysterious poster and intense poster, I decided to give it one. biggrin
I'm not so sure that's a good idea. If I saw a movie poster that has absolutley nothing matching the tone or content of the film itself, I'd feel kind of ripped off.

Evman wrote:

Well its supposed to make people want to work to see what it says, to get interested in it enough to look harder. The most important stuff is easily seen, but the less important stuff is semi-hidden.
I think you give people more credit than you should. Although the adage of "never judge a book by it's cover" is true, your goal is supposed to make someone want to watch your film. People tend to be visually oriented, so your poster comes off as a turn off.

Although I get what you were trying to intend with the poste, it's only because you explained it. Are you planning to explain it to all of those that have a difficult time reading it? What a waste of time.

Again, while you can't please everybody, your objective is to catch as many people with your "net."
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 9:18pm

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Thought it would be self explanatory but it isn't. Oh well.
I don't want to make generic posters... I hate being bland and overdone. Being different is sometimes the only way to get noticed, and now you've all spent time commenting about the poster and how bad it is and will now undoubtedly know what the title is and will recognize it when it comes to the cinema.

Mission Accomplished smile
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 9:18pm

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Art is subject to opinion. You can like art, you can dislike art.

Design fulfills a function. If a design fails in its function, it is bad design.

Evman: kudos for being bold in your design ideas, but its simply futile to try and palm off flaws as being 'reasons'. Your design still has to fulfill a function. Your poster is different, granted, but the tagline is working against you: my attention is focussed so single-mindedly on attempting to decypher the tag, i actually forget the main title. Good idea, but i'm afraid it simply doesn't work as you intended. I certainly remember the poster but none of the words on it.

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Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 9:22pm

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Being different is sometimes the only way to get noticed, and now you've all spent time commenting about the poster and how bad it is and will now undoubtedly know what the title is and will recognize it when it comes to the cinema.

Mission Accomplished
slowclap slowclap slowclap slowclap slowclap


Amazing... Simply amazing.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 9:23pm

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Evman wrote:

Being different is sometimes the only way to get noticed...
I'm sure Don King and his hair would agree with you.

Evman wrote:

...and now you've all spent time commenting about the poster and how bad it is and will now undoubtedly know what the title is and will recognize it when it comes to the cinema.

Mission Accomplished smile
But who would want to see it?
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 9:25pm

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http://fxhome.com/cinema/viewvote.php?mid=2072

Most of these people.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 9:28pm

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But those 41 people have seen it before.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 9:29pm

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Evan, congratulations on the film doing well at the FXhome box office.

But that doesn't detract from the point that your poster is badly designed - and if you can't accept that criticism, and learn from it, then you have some serious growing up to do.

Cheers,
Arktic.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 9:31pm

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Evman wrote:

Most of these people.
Ev, I meant in relation to the poster since that's the topic.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 9:35pm

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Heh, this is like a tutorial on "What kind of replies should I make if I want to look like I'm completely full of myself."


I see you're absolutely unwilling to accept what other people say and think you know it all better, so I'll stop now since it seems to be wasted time.

Good luck with your poster and with your film.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 9:40pm

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One thing I wanted to say was that the first time I posted something up on FXHOME forum it was really hard for me to take the critisicism correctley.

Most of the time when someone says something bad about your drawing/movie/poster whatever it's good to take in high consideration what people say about it because that will be what a majority people might think when they first look at it.

So it's really important to take those critisicisms as suggestions and ideas for what you can do to make your project that much better than it already is.

smile
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 9:44pm

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Evman didn't want any help with his poster so its fair that he defends it although I think it might be better for him to listen to and discuss the criticisms rather than pretending there is nothing wrong with his poster in the first place.

In the end FXhome should be about helping each other and learning and I think JUIDAR is taking on board the comments he has been given and I can't wait to see his next version. As I said before I think you have a solid foundation for what could be a really good poster.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 9:51pm

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You have a good point Juidar, +1

Taking comments or suggestions from other people is a thing that has to be learned, and it'll always be something you need to make consciously. Because it's only natural that you feel attacked, even though many people only want to help. It's difficult, I know. I feel the same when my work gets critizised. But in the end, it'll either help you or you can leave it as it is.

I think you showed some great maturity and sense in that matter both in the past and here and I hope this is a good example for other users. smile
Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2006, 11:20pm

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After a well deserved nap, I'm back.

List guys, I haven't been having what one would call the best of days... or weeks. It's been a very very tough day in particular and I only got 4 hours of sleep last night.

Perhaps it explains some of my "grumpiness" and perhaps it doesn't. The point is, I apologize. And I'm sorry this thread got hijacked Juidar. Please don't think of me as an immature little prick, but rather a sleep deprived teenager.

Thanks for your understanding.
Posted: Tue, 6th Jun 2006, 1:15am

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Don't worry about it Evman your cool buddy! Looks like we both got some suggestions and help with our posters on this one.

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Posted: Tue, 6th Jun 2006, 12:29pm

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I like your poster (Juidar), but I've got some suggestions though.

- Save the credits for the movie, or make the text smaller.

- Maybe color correct your actors a little, I don't think they really fit the background.

And of course, what everyone else said.
Posted: Tue, 6th Jun 2006, 10:33pm

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Alright I got a new one now but I didn't make it Lee Launey did of Syrovision.


I really like it so I thought I would post it!


http://www.geocities.com/juidar/poster_one.jpg
Posted: Tue, 6th Jun 2006, 11:01pm

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Much better. It isn't really my personal taste, but it is definitely much better than the first one.

Cheers,
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Yeah, that is much better technically.

I Agree though that it isn't really my taste either.
Posted: Wed, 7th Jun 2006, 12:24am

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I like this one better. Especially that fireball in the background. biggrin
Posted: Wed, 7th Jun 2006, 4:22am

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Thank you all and I really appreciate how you complimented it and at the same time instead of saying it looks sucky and just said that it really wasn't your brand/flavor/style you prefer.


Yeah I told him I'm going for an anime style poster so that's where the style is basically.

I'm sure it will attract more attention than my other one. wink
Posted: Wed, 7th Jun 2006, 4:33pm

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I really liked that poster. I think the look is way more my taste, though I don't think the movie is really my kind of movie.

Great job, and good luck with the project.
Posted: Wed, 7th Jun 2006, 6:26pm

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vilhelm nielsen wrote:

I really liked that poster. I think the look is way more my taste, though I don't think the movie is really my kind of movie.

Great job, and good luck with the project.
Thanks again!
Posted: Thu, 8th Jun 2006, 6:42am

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I just started reading this post tonight - and, to be honest, I saw how cool the IKARI pic was underneath your posts and was horrified by your first poster. The IKARI pic you have by your posts is SO beautiful and I was expecting kinda the same thing from your first poster.

HUGE improvement on the new poster - well done! Although, no offense to the actress I can only assume is Liz Jenkins, but I think I may like the poster better without her - just the black shadow and the faded guys. I understand it's not always a choice to have someone not on the poster but the tone with her on the poster is less magical or mysterious or one of those M words.

Still, VERY VERY cool.