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Posted: Sat, 10th Jun 2006, 4:42am

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It begins... Discussion. (I'm surprised a European user didn't start this...)
Posted: Sat, 10th Jun 2006, 4:45am

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I don't really even like soccer very much but the World Cup has me excited. Hopefully I'll get to catch some of the matches and hopefully the U.S. makes it out of their bracket.
Posted: Sat, 10th Jun 2006, 6:26am

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The U.S. team is rated 5th in the world (prior to the World Cup starting), and I think they are often underestimated.

It'd be interesting if U.S. and Iran eventually played each other. smile

Brazil are undoubtedly favourites but their defence isn't as strong as other teams.

Apart from Brazil, I reckon Argentina, Germany and England are in with a chance.
Posted: Sat, 10th Jun 2006, 7:39am

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Hendo wrote:

The U.S. team is rated 5th in the world (prior to the World Cup starting), and I think they are often underestimated.
Meh, in a bad bracket.

I am rooting for Germany. I have no American pride or any of that patriotic stuff and I would root for them if we were part of the socer culture, but we don't seem to be. We feel fake soccer-wise, so I always support Germany because I like their players, the team, and I lived there for a good amount of time. I don't like America being part of soccer culture (because that's the biggest part of it.) That's my opinion on the whole American soccer matter.
Posted: Sat, 10th Jun 2006, 8:09am

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ohh jeeees...u guys have NO IDEA !!! *gg*

My Top favourits:

- France (Thierry Henry and Zinadin Zidan => DREAM TEAM!)
- Brazil (Ronaldhino all the waaaayyyy)
- Germany (you can only win with Lehmann wink )

anyways, I do kinda hope that someone else will win this time, not always Brazil.

Just a little bit stupid, that the WC started now, because I have my graduation exams in a week crazy and now I cant concentrate anymore...
NOOOOOOOOOOOO....!!!

cheers,
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Posted: Sat, 10th Jun 2006, 8:23am

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I'll reserve judgement about England's chances til after 2pm today (wooo!). England could go far, they should go far, but it just hasn't happened in the last World and European cups. They need a different attitude, and hopefully we'll see that today.
Posted: Sat, 10th Jun 2006, 10:05am

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I'm guessing that Germany will win, although that aint gonna happen as long as they have Lehmann in that goal. Kahn FTW!!!

Today it's time for IMO the most interesting group: England - Paraguay, Sweden - Trinidad and Tobago. Sweden is gonna kick some @$$!!!
Posted: Sat, 10th Jun 2006, 10:46am

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Can I say that....

USA fifth in the world is a bit of a joke.

I think the fifa ranking arent based on the actual quality of the team, just maybe the past eight results i think.

The best teams I imagine USA have to play are only brazil and argentina, all the rest are rubbish around america. Also you have to take into account teams lose games when they experiment in friendlys.

I suggest the odds of the team winning the world cup are a better way of judging than the fifa rankings. Where USA are 100 - 1 and italy are 10 - 1. compare these statistics to the fifa rankings and you will see how stupid they are.

I do think the USA are a good team, but better than England, Portugal, Spain, Argentina, Italy and France??? Whatever.
Posted: Sat, 10th Jun 2006, 3:48pm

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hey guys, i think i can shed some lite on the situation. despite being from england i am under no delusion and do not believe tht we r the best team out there. based on players, we have one of the strongest teams in the world pehaps only rivalled by brazil which is supported by the fact tht we are ranked number 2 and they number 1 in the world rankings. however, as jackpot sed these are far from accurate. to look at englands players, it is undenyable tht we have a gr8 team (owen gerrard rooney lampard terry) and owen hargreaves (cough ok so maybe hes the exception.) but we have a great team, it seems to me tht we are unable to perform under pressure and do not have the correct attitude or metality to perform to the best of our abilities. for example jst this afternoon, we scraped thru against paraguay based on an own goal. surely with the players we have we shud have absolutely trounced them. it is because of the lack of a killer attitude tht i do not belive we can win the world cup. i belive the main reason for this is tht we have an absolute joke of a captain in david beckham. he lacks the determined mentality tht a captain requires. i believe several players cud do a beta job including gerrard or terry as the main candidates, perhaps even owen wud b beta thn beckham. surely the england captain cant b concerned about his hair????

anyway, as far as other teams are concerned, brazil are obviously great when going forward but do certainly lack defensive capabilities and will inevitably conceed to any team who can win some possesion and attack with even an ounce of skill.

germany, ah yes germany, the ruthlessly efficient germans. as an england supporter and hence a gemrany hater by tradition i shud not say this but, even i will admit they looked good against costa rica. however costa rica??? not the best of teams and even they managed to put 2 past them. the germans look awesome going forward, but as with brazil fail to inspire defencivly. i can therefore hypothesize tht they r not the strongest contenders for the title.

so hu does tht leave???

argentina? no i think not

italy? they as with england fail to perform on the nite

spain? they have never ahcieved their potential based on the quality players they have

portugal? do they really have a team good enuf to beat brazil or england? theyd have to get lucky

france? there not on the best form having crashed out of recent tournaments and to senegal in the last world cup in the group stages. however, they do have a good team and with henry up front could scores many goals. they have the ability to do very well, but then so do england and tht neva happens, so i hold out little hope for france.

hu will win the cup then???? with all the best teams named and each as unlikely to win as the next, the competition has been blown wide open. this is anyones for the taking. at this point it is almost impossible to say hu can take the cup home, and any correct guess wud b purely coincidence.

i hope england can win it, but to do so we will have to be a team transformed over nite. how do we expect to beat germany on their own turf when we can only beat paraguay based on their captain nodding one in his own net??????

shemde
Posted: Sat, 10th Jun 2006, 4:13pm

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Today's performance was acceptable - nothing amazing, nothing terrible. The opening match of the competition is notioriously the hardest (especially for England). But I think we've won the last 8 games we've played or something like that, so we're in with a shot, at least.

I have no idea what taking Michael Owen off, and leaving Crouch to work twice as hard being up front alone was about. But still, I'm glad we've taken the three points.

Arktic.
Posted: Sat, 10th Jun 2006, 11:09pm

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Poor guys who made all this stuff... I'm sure we gonna lose.

I hope Togo wins...
Posted: Tue, 13th Jun 2006, 4:33am

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AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
OI OI FREAKEN OI!

note to self: I must remember to watch my language, the moderators don't appreciate foul language regardless of how excited a state I may be in...

OH MY GOD

that was FAN-TASTIC!

World Cup Party at julians we were hanging our Aussie heads in SHAME for 80 of the 90 minet game; as Japan leaded 1 to nil.

Then in the LAST 8MINETS of playing AUSTRALIA SCORED 3 GOALS!
It was amazing, it soberd me up right away!

Substitute Tim Cahill was the MAN! Socceroos scored three times in eight minutes to beat Japan 3-1 in Kaiserslautern and record their first ever win in the FIFA World Cup finals OH MY GOD! the drunken mexican waves, the stoned "whoa!"s and the victory dances.

Oh my god... that was sooo fucking awesome.

And wow! soo many of the Jap players took uncalled for dives, it was almost silly in the end, when ever one fo them touched theyd flip over or drop to the ground and hold their legs... In comparison with the Check VS USA game both teams pummeld eachother hard and no one wussed around... good solid pain game form the Checks and USA.

I have to say the world cup really made us turn into rasist pigs... lol
I dont think i have ever been so rude to Japan so loudly before hahaha (There were 12 Aussies, 3 Italians, 8 Japanese, 1 Yank and 3 Irish people in the room and the amount of HILERIOUS racial slurs was just mind blowing, it was all in good fun though.

THEN! watching the US have their ARSES handed to them 3 - 0 CRs was was just funny... it was a boring game to watch for us simply because the whole room had dissmissed the USs hopes from the start, nothing against the US; just the Checks know what they are doing

In Short...
AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE!!!! OI OI OI!!!
Posted: Tue, 13th Jun 2006, 5:59am

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italia and portugal biggrin
Posted: Tue, 13th Jun 2006, 3:10pm

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shmede wrote:

i belive the main reason for this is tht we have an absolute joke of a captain in david beckham.
I think thats crazy, he is the most experienced player. He is in his 3rd world cup and is one of the best english players we have.

all the players on the team probably were unknowns or not very good when beckham became world class. I think that becks it probably the most looked up to out of everyone - on and off the pitch. I do agree that terry and gerrard are good captains, but I think that giving beckham captainsy improves his game where as it I dont think giving it to terry or gerrard will make them play much better.

I think ronaldinho will win the cup and go back to whatever planet he came from
Posted: Tue, 13th Jun 2006, 3:38pm

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Oh, how could I miss the World Cup topic? I'm made for this.
Today is the first day I miss any games, mostly cause im not sick anymore and the weather outside is mind-blowing.

Let's hope Sweden does better then again T&T, 2.5 hours till Brasils first game!

Some guys painted thier house like this at my friends street:


Crazy, just crazy... I need water.
Posted: Tue, 13th Jun 2006, 6:22pm

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Well, Denmark isn't in because we blew it against those damn french men...

I'll probally catch some matches when it get's interesting.
Posted: Wed, 14th Jun 2006, 3:07pm

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Woohoo! I'm not celebrating that it's out! I'm celebrating that my friend Jose stopped calling me saying 51 days until the world cup! 50 days until the world cup! 49 days until the world cup! It's enough to drive me mad!

Oh yeah and DaMarcus Beasley graduated from my Highschool BTW.
Posted: Wed, 14th Jun 2006, 3:52pm

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Ooh, forgot to post a follow up.

Not a great performance by England, the opposition had to score for us.

Captaincy-wise, I'd love to see Gerrard as captain because I think that'd give him confidence to have that same matchwinning gung-ho attitude he has for Liverpool. Beckham has a similar ability, and I don't mind him being captain really, but he doesn't show as much passion as Gerrard.

Lampard played decent, having a few close ones, but I don't know what Sven was thinking when he took off Owen. It got painful to constantly see Peter Crouch heading the ball to no one. And Owen Hargreaves... I really have no idea why he is there. He's derided for a reason - he's crap.

Let's hope tomorrow is better, eh?
Posted: Thu, 15th Jun 2006, 11:47am

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now were gettin somewhere, finally were strtin to admit tht david beckham is a celebrity hu lacks passion and gerrard wud b a much beta motivator and captain.

also yeh owen hargreaves.... why o why did we take him

have they not heard of michael carrick
Posted: Sat, 24th Jun 2006, 11:57pm

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Next round began today.
Posted: Sun, 25th Jun 2006, 1:34am

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2-0 Germany against Sweden.... Hell yeah! biggrin
Posted: Sun, 25th Jun 2006, 1:48am

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Damn cheating argentinians are through. Shame cos Mexico were a great team and should have gone through. The refereeing has been really sloppy this time.

Although I'd like to see England go all the way I don't think we can beat Spain or Brazil with our injuries and lack of decent strikers.

We should have brought Dafoe and left Crouch at home because even though he is tall he sucks at headers and can never get in the right place at the right time. Rooney is ok but he scores by goalhanging and without Owen passing him balls he does nothing for us. I can see us ending up with 6 midfield players on the pitch if we make it past ecuador to holland.

I love the way that Brazil have won all their games really casually at 1-0. They only stepped it up with the team that scored against them. Also I find it highly amusing that they play Ronaldo cos its like saying 'we're so good that we can beat you even with this fat bastard who can barely run over to the ball' smile
Posted: Sun, 25th Jun 2006, 11:15am

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Kid wrote:

We should have brought Dafoe and left Crouch at home because even though he is tall he sucks at headers and can never get in the right place at the right time. Rooney is ok but he scores by goalhanging and without Owen passing him balls he does nothing for us. I can see us ending up with 6 midfield players on the pitch if we make it past ecuador to holland.
Surely you aren't saying you'd have taken Defoe instead of Crouch, but still taken Walcott? At least Crouch has both played a full season for Liverpool and scored at international level. Clearly it'd have been a better choice to have taken Defoe instead of Walcott.

Sorry to pick you up on this but in no way does Rooney goal hang and Owen feed him the ball. Rooney loves to run with the ball picking it up from just inside the final third.

Anyway, England v Ecuador this afternoon, lets hope England put in the performance we know they are capable of.... smile

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Posted: Sun, 25th Jun 2006, 12:36pm

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No I think we should have brought 5 strikers with Dafoe and someone else instead of Crouch. Walcott is a pretty decent player though, what is the point of bringing him if sven isnt going to give him a chance to play?
Posted: Sun, 25th Jun 2006, 12:44pm

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Kid wrote:

No I think we should have brought 5 strikers with Dafoe and someone else instead of Crouch. Walcott is a pretty decent player though, what is the point of bringing him if sven isnt going to give him a chance to play?
I hear what you are saying but Crouch gives us a different option and asks questions of any defence because he's good with his feet as well as offering a target man.

I (like many people) have seen next to nothing of Walcott (a few starts for Southampton?), and whilst I'm sure he's going to be a very good player it seems Sven doesn't plan to use him. With respect, even when Arsenal had a striking crisis last season when Henry was injured, Arsene Wenger didn't turn to Walcott, so why would Sven? It's a strange choice.

Fortunatley we have a midfield that has several outstanding forward playing options (Gerrard, Cole, Lampard) so we should still pose a threat smile
Posted: Sun, 25th Jun 2006, 12:54pm

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i concur
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I'm not English, I'm Welsh, but I do hope England get through today against Ecuador. Problem is, England are playing poorly and look very shaky all over the park. England arn't short of quality players, but if they play as badly as they did against Sweeden, then next round they are going home.

I agree with the other poster here, the cheating argies have got through again due to lacklusture refereeing.
If England go up against seriously good teams the way they are playing they will get played off the park.
Let's just hope that Sweedens performance against England was exceptionaly good and how they played against germany was particularly bad.

Last truly great world cup Englland team was during the 1990 world cup (Now i'm showing my age)
Posted: Sun, 25th Jun 2006, 4:53pm

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Bring on the quarters!
Posted: Sun, 25th Jun 2006, 4:57pm

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Sven is CRAP.

Gerrard and Lampard are playing awful. Beckham is sick. I know, why not bring off England's best player - Joe Cole. Yes, I can see the damn logic behind that.

Then they opt for the Italian "grab one and defend" thing which is the WORST tactic in any sport. Ecuador got a spell of about 90% posession, and quite honestly they deserved to score.

Then he brings on Downing. FFS, if you're going to time waste give Walcott a chance.

Honestly!
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That was a horrible game... Ah well, at least they're through to the quarters.
Posted: Sun, 25th Jun 2006, 5:34pm

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In all honesty, that was a horribly game.

I think the New York Times summarised it pretty well: "...an ugly 1-0 victory over Ecuador... For an hour, the English aimlessly passed the ball around the field in the 90-degree heat of Baden-Wuerttemberg."
Posted: Sun, 25th Jun 2006, 7:56pm

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Kid wrote:

I can see us ending up with 6 midfield players on the pitch if we make it past ecuador to holland.
Eh, it's looking more like Portugal right now at half, but I'm rootin' for the Dutch. They've had at least one nice look on goal, so there's hope.


And Portugal won. sad That game made me sick, what a shoddy ref, Holland deserved one PK and the game would surely have a different outcome if it weren't for the ref, the cards, and the time wasted by the Portugese players. What a game, if you missed it you missed out on a violent match.
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alpha54 wrote:

.. For an hour, the English aimlessly passed the ball around the field in the 90-degree heat of Baden-Wuerttemberg."
Whilst not that attractive to watch it makes perfect sense to maintain as much posession and make the opponents do the chasing, especially given the conditions mentioned in the report.
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I disagree. That's how Germany used to play 20 years ago, it didn't do us much good then, and I doubt its going to do you much good now. When you want to win, you need to score goals. Aggressive football is what wins the game.
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Oh I wouldn't say that's the right tactic for every game, but in this case I think it served us well.
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That, I can agree with. smile
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Oh and Congrat's to you (alpha54) and your country for a fine World Cup and I wish you all the best for the rest of the World Cup. Let's hope we meet in the final, that'd be great smile
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Same to you guys, its refreshing to meet an England fan who doesn't just attack me out of principle! wink

I have to say, I'm positively surprised as to how well the Cup has been going so far, the atmosphere has been really friendly among nearly everyone! smile

And yes, I agree, meeting in the final... That would be great!

PS: I just PMed you my MSN Messenger address, if you wish to add me. smile
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alpha54 wrote:

the atmosphere has been really friendly among nearly everyone!
Heh, "nearly" is the key word here. That Portugal - Netherlands match was nasty.
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Oh boy, it was!
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At least now England stands a chance against Portugal smile
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lol
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I thought the england performance was pretty solid. I was impressed with the way they passed the ball today. I felt the midfield play really well. Ecuador never ever really looked like scoring apart from that one chance at the beggining. The only problem was supporting rooney at the beggining, but this seemed to improve as the game went on. I expect gerrard and lampard needed to forget they didnt need to defend so much as the have done in previous games.

Carrick was man of the match for me and I thought Hargreaves played really well, providing an attacking option overlapping beckham. I would think he is first choice right back now over Carragher.

In all I thought england won pretty easily today, I hope they play 4-1-4-1 again as i think it fits best with the players we have.

I feel sorry for england as they always get a negativity thrown as them. In the first couple of games they were condemned for not passing enough, losing possesion to easily, and playing to many long balls. Then today when they passed excellently they get critised for being boring and passing to much. If england had won 2-0 from then I think everyone would be saying england played really well rather than being dissapointed.

Gerrard and Lampard are playing awful. Beckham is sick. I know, why not bring off England's best player - Joe Cole. Yes, I can see the damn logic behind that.
I dissagree Gerrard and Lampard are playing well, the only thing missing is goals. There positioning today was good and they kept the ball well. Beckham wasnt great and should have been taken off sooner, although he battled through and made some great tackles. Becks didnt have a great game but he can produce magic. Joe cole wasnt exactly our best player was he. He had run his guts out the whole game, maybe he had nothing left in him?


I wasnt to impressed with the players in the portugal v holland match. After re watching the yellow cards, I dont think there was much the players could complain about. But Figo should have been off, and deco was lucky not to get a straight red for the lunging tackle after holland unsportingly didnt give the ball back. I was glad deco took out the holland player as I was so angry at holland cheating all the time. At least the referree was concistent with the cards I guess crazy The whole tournament has been tainted by the strickness of referees which I guess is down to the big wigs at fifa.
Posted: Tue, 27th Jun 2006, 2:18pm

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Holland v Portgugal was the most hilarious match I've ever seen. I couldn't stop laughing, it got so ridiculous. I'm sorry Deco is suspended because I would prefer England to beat (or lose to) a full strength Portugese side. I have a feeling England will win against Portugal because Deco is such an influential player. They're not a one-man team but he is certainly their most match-winning player.
Posted: Fri, 30th Jun 2006, 6:05pm

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Oh man, that was a great game at second half and on. Germany played pretty poorly but was able to put it in the net when they needed to. They had just as many shots as Argentina without posessing it at all, it may have felt like luck, but they put it on net. Great saves by Lehmann in the PKs.
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I would comment comprehensibly, but I'm German so....

WE WON, WE WON, WE WON WE WON WE FKN WON!!!! biggrinbiggrin

But umm... yeah... good points mate, and Lehmann definitely pulled off some nice saves - including the one in the 88th minute where he dived over some Argentinian player! smile
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alpha54 wrote:

I would comment comprehensibly, but I'm German so....

WE WON, WE WON, WE WON WE WON WE FKN WON!!!! biggrinbiggrin

But umm... yeah... good points mate, and Lehmann definitely pulled off some nice saves - including the one in the 88th minute where he dived over some Argentinian player! smile
Where do you live in Germany? (Not a stalker, just want to know the general region.) I spent a great part of my life in Germany.
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I actually live in Sweden right now, but in Germany I lived in Bremen. smile
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Ouch, that was a painful loss for England. Really should of won.
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Oh, that was nerve-wracking sad

England out, beaten 3-1 by Portugal in penalties. A great performance from the players left after Rooney got sent off, and a real shame.
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You have to admit, the Portugal's goalie pulled of some great saves in the penalty shootout!

Guess we won't be seeing you guys in the finals then, but you get another four years to practise! smile

Better luck next time round! wink
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First off I'm not giving any credit to the keeper making good saves, he only dived the right direction - you either save it or you don't.

Rooney shouldn't have been sent off, if that ref had any sense at all he'd have given a foul against portugal after those 2 players were all over Rooney like they were, they were holding him all over the place. Even if we'd won that match I still feel cheated on losing Rooney in that game.

Taking my mind off the ref and onto the Portugal team....what a bunch of idiots. Ronaldo would be the prat to point out here - he'd drop to the floor every time he lost the ball and look straight at the ref for a reaction and free kick. Why does football have to look so pathetic because of idiots like this. The best moment for me was when they really showed their sportsmanship but surrounding the ref over the Rooney incident, pleading for something from him. What a show. We whooped them with 10 men, shame we couldn't have looked more of a threat with 11, but Portugal should be going home now, kissing each other for support or whatever it is they do.

Portugal always play like morons against us and we're always cheated out of the win. Take the last Euro for example, Campbell heads the ball in to make it 2 - 1 to England in the last minutes and the ref chickens out and disallows it.

I'm gonna move on to swearing if I don't stop babbling.....my feelings on the game overall is at this moment in time is that Portugal and anyone that supported Portugals performance today is a crapbag.
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NuttyBanana wrote:

First off I'm not giving any credit to the keeper making good saves, he only dived the right direction - you either save it or you don't.
It's obvious that you've never been a goalkeeper yourself, because if you had you'd know that they play a big role in a penalty shoot out. Sure, there's a little bit of luck too, but most of it is actually skill.
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MrShmoe wrote:

NuttyBanana wrote:

First off I'm not giving any credit to the keeper making good saves, he only dived the right direction - you either save it or you don't.
It's obvious that you've never been a goalkeeper yourself, because if you had you'd know that they play a big role in a penalty shoot out. Sure, there's a little bit of luck too, but most of it is actually skill.
lol nah, as i said, you either dive the right way or you don't. The only skill you do need is being able to dive far enough to reach the post.
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It's true. Even the best keepers have said you just choose a direction and go for it. There is no surefire way to save penalties. If you say there is, you're making it up.

Seaman and Schmeichel agreed on that some years ago if I remember correctly, during a BBC Match of the Day program.

NuttyBanana - complete agree with everything you said. FIFA's the worst governing body of any sport.

1) Figo should not have been allowed to play. he HEADBUTTED someone in the prior match.

2) So many divers and no action taken.

3) There should be video reviewal within matches. Football is losing too many matches and respect due to wrong decisions.

P.S - Ronaldo is a little insect and I hope he moves out of the Premiership.
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I disagree. That goalkeeper's record for saving penalties is above average (because if it was just 'pick a direction and dive', you'd save, on average, 50% and let in 50%, which doesn't happen, with goalies letting in far more than 50%). He's also the first goalkeeper in the history of the world cup to save three in a penalty shootout.

So, he's either statistically improbably lucky, or he's got a skill for saving penalties.

Oh, and about Rooney being sent off? I think it's the best thing that happened to our team all competition - he's NOT on his best form, and even if he were, he's an immature ball hog who fumbles chances because he can't get to crosses in time but won't let anyone else try for them. We played much better football without him. Maybe if we'd done that from the start, it would have been a different ending...

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er-no wrote:

It's true. Even the best keepers have said you just choose a direction and go for it. There is no surefire way to save penalties. If you say there is, you're making it up.
That's not quite true. While luck is certainly part of it, that's not all it comes down to.

EDIT: Posted at the same time as you Arktik, completely agree on the goalkeeper as well as your point about Roonie! smile
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Stepping on that guy's groin was out of line, even if the ref didn't card him for that. As for saving in the penalty box, you can go the right way, it's possible. Some keepers wait for the ball to come off the foot, some guess before the kick, and some guess based on the body position/psychology. Lehmann guessed it right everytime and he's a great keeper, so I think it's more than a guess. As Arktic said, the Portuguese keeper, same thing. Like the shot that was low to the ground, he didn't guess low to the left, that would be too incredible. Sure, maybe he had to guess sometimes, but he positioned his gloves behind the ball (that can go around 80MPH so don't tell me it's all luck. Unfortunately, the English keeper guessed wrong everytime, that's just how he does it. He also got lucky breaks. IMO, that game was lost because of the ref, the coach, and terrible attempts on goal. I supported England, so don't think I'm one of the crapbags who supported Portugal's performance, thought it was bad as well. Englands defense and midfield play, and even keeper were awesome.

GAH, stupid Italians. Er, if only the Germans could hold up for 2 minutes, they let up 2 goals and really gave up the last one. I bet they could've won in penalties which makes it all the more frustrating.
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well germany is out, italy won 2-0 mighty interesting game in my opinion. 2 goals in the last 2 minutes is awsome. italy played well
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The World Cup is now completely uninsteresting since Italy is in the final. I just can't stand that team since they have no idea what fair play is. I hope that they'll loose the final and then hopefully Juventus, Milan, Fiorentina and Lazio will be kicked out of Serie A biggrin
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MrShmoe wrote:

The World Cup is now completely uninsteresting since Italy is in the final. I just can't stand that team since they have no idea what fair play is. I hope that they'll loose the final and then hopefully Juventus, Milan, Fiorentina and Lazio will be kicked out of Serie A biggrin
I would say your post intrests me less. Being italian and all, and how do italy not play fair? Are you australian? that would be my only guess, we won our games you didnt, deal with it. And as for the serie A teams, who cares this is the world cup thread not a football league thread. Grow up, dont act like a kid your whole life.
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GO ITALIA
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Being italian and all, and how do italy not play fair?
Did you even see the incident that led Italy to get a penalty against Australia? Some people say he dived, but I'm not sure about that. Grosso may or may not have been tripped over by Neill, fair enough; but what annoys me is the dirty tactics Grosso used to try and secure a penalty AFTER the supposed foul.

Here's a video of the incident. Watch what happens in the replays at the end of the video, then go back and watch from the start again. Grosso runs in, Neill slides and Grosso leaps over him, catching his foot in the process and falling over. Grosso's head does NOT touch the ground, his hands coming in to break his fall/dive. You can see that in this series of images:



You can see there that it's CLEAR that Grosso could not have injured his head in any way. As soon as Grosso hits the floor, he looks up to the referee to appeal - in the video it even looks like he's about to get up...



But then, when he thinks that the ball is still in play, and no foul has been awarded, he ups his game, clutching his head unable to move...



That is a clear example of play acting, the allegations of diving aside. He hits the deck, looks up to see if he's been awarded anything, and then just to make sure he gets the penalty, he pretends he's injured, when there's no possible way he is.

That is why Italy have a reputation for diving and playacting.

Cheers,
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Thank you Arktic!

That is your answer DVmaster.

and btw, I'm swedish not Autralian.
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France beat Portugal, my last hope. I got mad when Italy beat Germany but man, France has alot of stuck up fans. They booed evertime Ronaldo touched the ball! That boiled me up.

I hope Italy wins because I have a grudge against France
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Grosso was not clutching his head, he prayed with his head in his hands caus he said it on a speech on worldcup.com..... if you bothered to look. if your team got a penalty in the last minute to secure a place in the next round you would prey to.... if not your no true football fan.
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If being a "true football fan" means you're a cheat (which it really does look like from that video) then I'm glad I don't watch the sport.

How long till this world cup is over?

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FRANCE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YEAAAHHHH

I LOVE YOU ZIDANE, I LOVE YOU HENRY, I LOVE SAHA (eventhough you got a yellow card), I LOVE YOU VIERRA, I LOVE YOU BARTHEZ, I LOVE YOU MACCALELE !!!

ohhhh, beautiful....football cannot be better...france vs. italy...will be a great game...

i hope france will win, because i want to zidane to end his career with glory, and i am an arsenal fan so i like vierra, henry...etc...

ALLEZ LES BLEUS ! Equipe Tricolor !

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Go Zidane!

Er, what the hell is this? Rayman looks weird as ever, but this latest video is French pwning Brazil bunny and then, gah just watch it. WTF.
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With all due respect arktic...sry mate, but that WAS a foul by the australien dude...he missed the ball totally, and unfortunately hindered the italien player's game play...so thats a foul !!!

IF you want to mock somebody, who constantly pretends that he was fouled, then you should look at christiano ronaldo from portugal !!! that bastard always acts, and jumps and falls just to get a free kick !

anyways...GOOOOO FRAAANCCEEEEEEEEEE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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P.s: WHY DID GERMANY HAVE TO WIN :'( I DONT UNDERSTAND THE WORLD ANYMORE ...
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devilskater wrote:

With all due respect arktic...sry mate, but that WAS a foul by the australien dude...he missed the ball totally, and unfortunately hindered the italien player's game play...so thats a foul !!!
...because the Italian dude was trying to go around him is why he missed the ball, maybe?
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Watching Christiano Ronaldo makes me sick. His creativity off the ball happens almost never, just does a ton of step overs. Every now and then he does something pretty. But when he dives, it makes me want to punch him. Our sports channel shows about every foul back in slow motion, and Ronaldo always looks at the ref with a ridiculous expression as he is falling. Sometimes never touched by the other player. He should have been carded almost every time he hit the ground. I'm glad Germany won, especially with an own goal as well. Too bad Kahn didn't have a shut out on what was possibly his last World Cup appearance.
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Italy wins. They really don't deserve it. I wonder what made Zidane do that though. He is one of the classiest players in the world, the Italian must have said something really bad.
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Yay, it's all over!

As it happens, I also watched the Wimbledon tennis final today. What a pleasure it was to see two proper sportsmen battling it out on the court, with proper respect and skill and a bit of proper honour and sportsmanship.

Footballers in general could learn a lot from Federer and Nadal's conduct, just as football fans could learn a lot from the behaviour and good-natured enthusiasm of tennis audiences.
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Tarn wrote:

Footballers in general could learn a lot from Federer and Nadal's conduct, just as football fans could learn a lot from the behaviour and good-natured enthusiasm of tennis audiences.
Oh boy, you've never watched Hockey have you? They could learn a thing or two from footballers and football fans themselves... smile
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the shootout was very exciting
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I've never really understood penalty shootouts. Is it just me, or do they make the preceding 90 minutes totally pointless, and the individual players' skill utterly irrelevant?

You might as well just go to penalties straight away and be over and done with it in 10 minutes, rather than waste everyone's time. I'd far rather they just keep playing until somebody scores.

Maybe I'm just missing the point though, I'm hardly a football expert. wink
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Do you think Zidane was just stuck for an ending to his autobiography then had a flash of inspiration...?
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Maybe I'm just missing the point though
Yes, yes you are wink

There have been many attempts to create a 'fair' system of deciding a match where there's a draw - the two most recent were the 'Golden Goal' and 'Silver Goal' elements of extra time, neither of which were played in this world cup because nobody likes them.

True, penalty shootouts are, to a large extent, a lottery - but they're the fairest way of deciding a drawn game. And, no, I don't think they make the preceeding 120 minutes of football 'irrelevant' - remember, it has to have been an equal match all the way through the 90 minutes and extra time to even get to penalties. Untill someone comes up with a better suggestion, they're the best option, imho.

Plus, they're exciting to watch damnit! razz

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What's wrong with having a 'whoever score first' thing in extra time? Seems far better than penalties to me. Everyone always complains about penalties.

It seems to be a massive, gaping flaw in the core rules and concept of the game to me. If you create a game that can end up having no clear winner, so you then have to resort to a random, tacked-on 'mini-game' at the end, then it's a badly designed game in the first place.

So there.
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That 'whoever scores first thing' you speak of is the Golden Goal rule - basically, if it's a draw after 90 minutes, the first team to score in the 30 minutes of extra time is the winner.

BUT the problem with that is that the chances of conceeding a goal and loosing are so offputting, that neither team plays aggressively, for fear of making a mistake and being knocked out. So what happens is that both teams play very defensively, neither taking risks, and wasting time. You end up in stalemate, waiting for penalties anyway.

So there.
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Well then, they should introduce an extra rule to extra time whereby every 10 minutes, a new player is shot. That way they'd have some incentive to try and score.
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Tarn - it's radical but hey I'd watch and it would be exciting. Maybe you could have an interactive phone vote for the audience to decide who gets shot next?

My mobile bill would be full of "Text 9 for Christiano Ronaldo"...
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I hearby name the stupidest person of the day. smile
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stupid? More like "jesus-esque"

What a way to end a career.
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What's amusing is that the other guy is so tall, Zidane couldn't even get a proper headbutt in, and instead ended up doing some kind of weird, child-like chest-butt.
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Though I think, that getting headbutt in the chest is far more painfull, than getting it in the head.

Of course, I haven't tried the chest-thing.
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Waser wrote:

stupid? More like "jesus-esque"

What a way to end a career.
At least he is football-immortal now.
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Tarn wrote:

Well then, they should introduce an extra rule to extra time whereby every 10 minutes, a new player is shot. That way they'd have some incentive to try and score.
I like this idea.

Another would be they have a paintballing match on the pitch.

or

They all take part in a decathalon, with points amongst team-mates shared.
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Or maybe they could convert the football pitch into the final challenge arena from Gladiators and have them all run around it and up the travelator? That'd be good.
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Tarn wrote:

Or maybe they could convert the football pitch into the final challenge arena from Gladiators and have them all run around it and up the travelator? That'd be good.
Only if Shadow was there.

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The italien player must have said something VERY provokative... Zidane is a nice person, I cannot imagine that the head-butt was without reason...

But he is stupid, because he shouldn't have done it on the field...if he wanted to be aggressive, then he should have done the headbutt off the field.

Still I think he was the best player of the tournament !!!

It was a tragic end to a legends career...but hey...Maradona wasnt exactly an angle when he played...but NOBODY remembers all the bad deeds he had done...they only remember the legend he was/is !!! and so it will be the same with Zidane...

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but hey...Maradona wasnt exactly an angle when he played...but NOBODY remembers all the bad deeds he had done...
Actually, the only thing I know about Maradonna is that he was a notorious cheater. I don't know anything else about him - so outside of actual football circles, that's his general rep, I guess. smile
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hey i jst got back frm my holiday so heres my view on england errrr 'performance' against portugal

best player : owen hargreaves

worst player(s) : the rest of em

lampard - has he ever missed a peno for chelsea? then y so nervous wen he takes on for england, same for gerrard. only hargreaves cud score and the keeper even got a tuch to tht.

portugal werent gr8 as we hammered them in normal time and extra time but we dint have the bottle for penos again.
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Tarn wrote:

Or maybe they could convert the football pitch into the final challenge arena from Gladiators and have them all run around it and up the travelator? That'd be good.
You sire, are a genius.
Posted: Mon, 10th Jul 2006, 3:08pm

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Arktic wrote:

Tarn wrote:

Or maybe they could convert the football pitch into the final challenge arena from Gladiators and have them all run around it and up the travelator? That'd be good.
You sire, are a genius.
Sire?
Posted: Mon, 10th Jul 2006, 3:10pm

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That would give england an unfair advantage. Crouch might have his hands on the rings, but he'd just be walking along the floor 5 metres below.

There again, who would say no to Jet?
Posted: Mon, 10th Jul 2006, 3:12pm

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Xcession wrote:

That would give england an unfair advantage. Crouch might have his hands on the rings, but he'd just be walking along the floor 5 metres below.

There again, who would say no to Jet?


Jet wins the cup.

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Posted: Mon, 10th Jul 2006, 3:14pm

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Jet FTW
Posted: Mon, 10th Jul 2006, 7:48pm

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We ArE ThE ChAmPiOnS!!! Of ThE WOOOORLD!!!
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Posted: Mon, 10th Jul 2006, 8:25pm

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