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Posted: Mon, 12th Jun 2006, 3:38pm

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I dont know how many of you are Transformer fans but on july, 4, 07 The autobots and decepticons take their place on the big screen.


Heres a link not much to look at but the opening is worth it.
www.transformerslive.com
Posted: Mon, 12th Jun 2006, 4:25pm

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I hereby predict it will be absolute rubbish (albeit with amazing special effects), and an insulting slap in the face to everyone that grew up with the Transformers. It will also be a massive missed opportunity with regards to a franchise and story that could be as popular as the Star Wars and Lord of the Rings trilogies.

For starters, last I heard it's being based/influenced mainly from the TV series, which is a bad idea. It should be based on the movie and the UK comics, which is where the real meat lies.

One image from the comic always stuck with me, for some reason:



Given that it's a Michael Bay movie, I somehow doubt it'll ever pause to have a quiet, thoughtful moment like that, or explore the brilliant character potential. It'll just be big, dumb robots blowing things up in giant explosions.

Ah well.
Posted: Mon, 12th Jun 2006, 4:44pm

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Me and Tarn pretty much feel the same way about this film. It looks dire and could have been the greatest film of the decade!

Bumblebee has been changed in to a muscle car! Megatron is a dodgy looking tank... Why didn't they let us make Transformers!
Posted: Mon, 12th Jun 2006, 5:19pm

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youre proabably right but i'll still go see it just to see an awsome CG Prime.
Posted: Mon, 12th Jun 2006, 7:31pm

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That reminds me of Alien vs. Predator.

I'll leave it at that. wink
Posted: Mon, 12th Jun 2006, 7:38pm

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As cool as transformers are and all that...I can't think of a single way to make this a Serious, engrossing film. It would be easy to make it a kids film, but the mass market isn't going to dig this too much...
Posted: Mon, 12th Jun 2006, 7:41pm

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Bryce007 wrote:

As cool as transformers are and all that...I can't think of a single way to make this a Serious, engrossing film. It would be easy to make it a kids film, but the mass market isn't going to dig this too much...
Did you ever read the UK comics? If you've only come across the TV show, or even the US comics, then I can see how you'd think that.

The UK comics dealt with the subject matter more seriously, delving into character and a huge background history that made everything really rather fascinating. The original animated movie also has elements that would translate very well to a 'serious, engrossing film'.

I agree it'd be hugely tough, but given the right treatment I think it could work very well.

After all, elves and goblins and wizards are inherently silly, great for kids but they can't be taken seriously by adults and the mass market......right? wink
Posted: Mon, 12th Jun 2006, 8:20pm

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Tarn wrote:

Did you ever read the UK comics? If you've only come across the TV show, or even the US comics, then I can see how you'd think that.
That might explain a few things because even as a kid I thought this was one of the most ridiculous concepts ever made. Wasn't there one of these giants robots that turned into a magnetophone or something? How lame was that? Of course, we only had access to the US cartoons and comics. God, even as a ten year old I thought this was inane.

Now I'm a fairly big Michael Bay fan - at least his visual style - and except for a few mishaps, like Pearl Harbor and Bad Boys 2, he usually delivers entertaining fares and kick ass action. When Iheard he'd be tacklign this, I immediately ought Pearl Harbor. This guy has talent. He just needs a good script. Transformers ain't one...
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I for one am sick of people bastardizing all the things that were great in the 80s. Everywhere you turn someone has brought a cartoon back, imitated a band, re-made a tv show into a crappy movie, etc.

I hadn't said anything in a while.
Posted: Mon, 12th Jun 2006, 8:37pm

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Michael Bay must be stopped... no matter the cost!
Posted: Mon, 12th Jun 2006, 8:51pm

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schwar wrote:

Michael Bay must be stopped... no matter the cost!
Why? Who would be better on paper to make a movie about robots that turn into talking cars? And magnetophones?

Besides, he owns Digital Domain now. The effects are covered.
Posted: Mon, 12th Jun 2006, 8:59pm

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Thats a quote from Transformers the movie! Well, its Megatron who must be stopped rather than Michael Bay but I still think it applies...

For a start I would be better at making this movie!

From what I've read and seen it looks like it will totally suck and I really think it could have been totally amazing. I know at least 4 people who have better ideas for what the movie should have been than any of the stuff I've seen online.

I'm not even sure why its called Transformers. He should just change the name to big stompy robots and leave the franchise for someone who cares!
Posted: Mon, 12th Jun 2006, 9:16pm

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It might not suck......Well it might not suck.
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JohnCarter wrote:

Wasn't there one of these giants robots that turned into a magnetophone or something? How lame was that?
Indeed. Even as a big fan, I'll readily admit there's a whole lot of stupid to the concept. You can't just do a straight adaptation. The UK comics, notably, minimised the 'stupid' by tweaking the cast and focusing more in character interaction, loyalties, and the hardships of war, rather than going down the "ooh, he turns into a cassette tape!!" route.

This guy (Michael Bay) has talent. He just needs a good script. Transformers ain't one...
Well, that's what I thought. I always thought he was a good director who had a habit of picking bad scripts. Then I saw The Island. In that case there was a solid script, with interesting scifi concepts (albeit old ones) and some intriguing moral and story stuff going on. It was a fairly serious scifi script, albeit still with a lot of fun.

Unfortunately, Michael Bay went and 'Bayified' it, filming it in his usual jokey, silly style. While this works brilliantly in Bad Boys, Armageddon etc, it was totally at odds with The Island. He simply didn't seem to understand the tone of the script, so the script and the film itself clashed horribly.
Posted: Mon, 12th Jun 2006, 10:46pm

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Hmmm, I really don't know how to react to this movie. When I first read it was happening I was very optimistic. However, as a Transformer fan I am very worried. As a kid I loved the Comics more than the toys. We can only hope that those in charge of the story and money are going to do it right. Chances are they will get it wrong. I am sure Spielberg is a fan of the toys as he claims. Esspecially when he considers the toy line's previous and current popularity and long run of marketability. I can only hope they dont approach this as a way to sell junk.

Was I the only kid that was totally freaked out when Optimus took a dirt nap in the movie? wink

Until the movie I was not into the comics.
Posted: Mon, 12th Jun 2006, 11:46pm

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Steven spielberg is working on it too, so hopfully he can controll alot of the tone and the overall flow of this movie.
Posted: Tue, 13th Jun 2006, 12:54am

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the time code on the site is

22d 16h 6m

is it really only 22 days till july of 2007?

wow! i need a new watch!!!
Posted: Tue, 13th Jun 2006, 2:52am

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I dont think thats right because im looking at my calendar and it's still 06, so i guess it's wrong. wink
Posted: Tue, 13th Jun 2006, 3:39am

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The countdown is for the trailer release.

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Posted: Tue, 13th Jun 2006, 4:40am

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Michael Bay is one of my favorite directors...I see no issue with making big, fairly unrealistic action films. I certainly don't expect shindlers list EVERY time I watch a film. Also, Bad Boys 2 was an Ace action film and I for one wasn't bored even once while watching it.


back to transformers, I'm pretty sure the "Updating" Bay did on the car models was product placement in order to further pad the budget. And I think it's fine. Really, It doesn't change the character tremendously to swap models on it.
Posted: Tue, 13th Jun 2006, 5:27am

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Tarn wrote:

I hereby predict it will be absolute rubbish (albeit with amazing special effects), and an insulting slap in the face to everyone that grew up with the Transformers. It will also be a massive missed opportunity with regards to a franchise and story that could be as popular as the Star Wars and Lord of the Rings trilogies....
Ditto.
Posted: Tue, 13th Jun 2006, 6:42am

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Wow so it's happening then, all I can see slapped all over this is T3, AVP, X3, Blade3 and so on..... It's going to be a jumped up mtv trashy movie. It like as soon as it enters a script room they bang a template on it to produce yet another crap film which annoys everyone. For all those that loved the 80s cartoon's, PREPARE TO BE VERY ANGRY.

Let's face it, they are going to cut as many corners to maximise profit, do you think any of the director's or producer's care about this project, no way. All they care about is making money from toy sales, which is ironic because thats why trasformers was made in the first place. I do hope it is salvaged, but not even the mighty speilberg can stop this abomination from happening. This film will really be robots in disguise, because we won't recognize any of the originality that made the cartoons great in the first place. Why didn't they just make robot jox 2, WHYYYYY!!!!!!!

P.s here's betting they slap pepsi and coke ad's all over the place to further annoy me.
Posted: Tue, 13th Jun 2006, 1:21pm

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Bryce007 wrote:

back to transformers, I'm pretty sure the "Updating" Bay did on the car models was product placement in order to further pad the budget. And I think it's fine. Really, It doesn't change the character tremendously to swap models on it.
I don't have a problem with updating the concepts or designs, that's inevitable. However, they could at least update them to similar things, as the type of vehicle often helped to represent the character of the Transformer.

Bumblebee is a good example - the whole point was that he was this little, low-powered VW bug. But despite being tiny and underpowered compared to his comrades and the Decepticons, he still did his bit and usually won through due to sheer luck and dedication. To turn him into a muscle car is to miss the point of his character entirely - his name 'Bumblebee' (as well as his later incarnation as Goldbug) is derived from the fact he was a VW beetle!

Another massive missed opportunity is that the film should have been a period piece, set in the 80s. That would have enabled the original vehicle designs, it would also have helped foster a nostalgic atmosphere for the whole piece, and would have helped to get the audience to buy into giant stompy robots as lead characters.

The inevitable sequels could then have been set modern day and even then into the future, with the vehicles/product placement updating accordingly.

Gah.
Posted: Tue, 13th Jun 2006, 11:08pm

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I am still hoping for the best. When the trailer comes out maybe it will be like the teaser for Spidey 1. Does anyone remember the original "Twin Towers" trailer for that flick?

I jumped out of my seat when I saw it.

I am afraid that the trailer for Transformers will be just a quick "look what we can do" clip.

The Twin Tower teaser for Spidey not only showed the "look what we can do" moment but it placed it in a context that made the viewer excited and hoping for more.

We shall see twisted
Posted: Wed, 14th Jun 2006, 1:07am

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Island. He simply didn't seem to understand the tone of the script, so the script and the film itself clashed horribly.
Some cases yes, but more often then not, no. I think horribly is an overstatement.

As for the movie... I'm betting it will suck. I remember watching the 80's re-runs and they were awsome! I also really liked beast wars (plan on getting DVDs of that show some time in the near future.) But anyways, I'll see the movie expecting it to suck, so that way there are no surprises if it does. But if it does happen to be good, then obviously I'll be pleasantly surprised.
Posted: Wed, 14th Jun 2006, 1:59am

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Tarn wrote:

Bumblebee is a good example - the whole point was that he was this little, low-powered VW bug. But despite being tiny and underpowered compared to his comrades and the Decepticons, he still did his bit and usually won through due to sheer luck and dedication. To turn him into a muscle car is to miss the point of his character entirely - his name 'Bumblebee' (as well as his later incarnation as Goldbug) is derived from the fact he was a VW beetle!
If not the new VW Bugs, then it could have been a Mini Cooper...
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Wow so it's happening then, all I can see slapped all over this is T3
T3 doesn't belong in the list. It didn't butcher anything by any means, it was just an unforseen addition to the series, and they did a pretty good job with it, imo. Its not the best terminator movie out there (its my least favorite, but simply cuz I found it extremely boring the second time through) but there were no real plot points that did anything to disrupt what had previously happened in an illogical sense.

None the less, I think this will join the others.
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Garrison wrote:

If not the new VW Bugs, then it could have been a Mini Cooper...
Exactly. There are so many sensible modern alternatives. The Mini, as you suggest, or one of those bizarre tiny Smart Car things, for example.

I can't help but think it's going to be one long product placement ad.
Posted: Wed, 14th Jun 2006, 3:00pm

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God, Kill me now...
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all I can see slapped all over this is T3, AVP, X3, Blade3 and so on...
If it's anything like X3, then I'm sold. X3 was fantastic, even though not as brilliant as the first two, but still fantastic.


I'll wait and see before I judge what will happen.
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You guys are being too hard on this movie. Bernie Mac would never lend his good name to garbage! N E V E R!
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Rating: +1

This looks fun
Any body post this video clip yet?

Transformers clip? test? something?

Edit:
Just looked it up this is a fan's work check it out his site:

3dblasphemy.com
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Sollthar wrote:

I'll wait and see before I judge what will happen.
yeah you guys judge way to quickly at least wait until the teaser or the full trailer to come out.
Posted: Fri, 16th Jun 2006, 7:29am

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no_hole wrote:

Sollthar wrote:

I'll wait and see before I judge what will happen.
yeah you guys judge way to quickly at least wait until the teaser or the full trailer to come out.
Not really, I've been following the progress of the movie for the last two years and, so far, every design and story decision has been a bad one. Of course, they could surprise me - I hope they do - but, given the people involved, I rather doubt it.
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Time will tell,the trailer comes out in 18days.
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How much do you bet it'll just be one of those animated logo teasers? Probably involving the logo 'transforming'.
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you're proabably right, we'll see biggrin
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Gnome326 wrote:

Wow so it's happening then, all I can see slapped all over this is T3
T3 doesn't belong in the list. It didn't butcher anything by any means, it was just an unforseen addition to the series, and they did a pretty good job with it, imo. Its not the best terminator movie out there (its my least favorite, but simply cuz I found it extremely boring the second time through) but there were no real plot points that did anything to disrupt what had previously happened in an illogical sense.

None the less, I think this will join the others.
They changed John Connor's age to justify the link between John and Kate (Claire Danes.) He wasn't 13 in T2, like T3 claims. He was 10. The series should have ended with T2. Jim Cameron is the only one who should have made a sequel.

As for Transformers, I agree that they should have made this a period piece, set square in the 80s. I was a huge fan of the toys and cartoons when I was a kid, so I really hope they don't turn this into another turd. (*cough* Bloodrayne *cough*)
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Did i hear correctly..that Megatron is a tank...what the bleep! dang this better not be correct and merely a type-O! I would hope that they would stick to the "original transformers" story line! (cartoon)
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I get a feeling their going to change alot. sad
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Did i hear correctly..that Megatron is a tank...what the bleep! dang this better not be correct and merely a type-O! I would hope that they would stick to the "original transformers" story line! (cartoon)
The original cartoon storyline is pretty darn silly, I'm not sure it would translate terribly well to the big screen. It has its moments, sure, especially the pilot episode, but most of the cartoon was typical 80s cheese. Personally I'd like to see the storylines inspired/based on the UK comics, which is where Transformers really found its true potential.

As for Megatron, he can't turn into a gun anymore, because they can't sell a toy gun due to safety laws and panicky parents and daft politicians.
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Tarn,

Since this is the topic, what id you think of the Animated Transformer movie? Back in.... what was it? 1990

Megatron... Galvatron... etc. Unicron and all that?
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The Transformers animated movie was 1986 I believe, not 1990. smile

I think it's actually very good, as long as you remember what it is. Considering the producers presumably wanted an extended toy commercial, it's remarkably genuine and survives repeat viewings far better than just about any other 80s cartoon I can think of.

There are a couple of moments they belie its origins - the awful and bizarre dance to Weird Al, for example, and the awful Junkticons - but generally it's got some really solid stuff in it, notably: the death of Prime, Starscream's final betrayal and come-uppance, the general concept of Unicron (whose origin is fleshed out properly in the UK comic, and linked directly to Cybertron - very interesting. The UK comics ignored the main cartoon series, but took on the story of the movie). Galvatron is fantastically evil, mercilessly wiping out Ultra Magnus in a rather disturbing execution scene (although that's rather spoiled by his illogical resurrection).

For a kid's cartoon, it's surprisingly hard edged - I imagine Prime's death was many kids' first encounter with the concept of death, let alone death of the hero. The movie also has some superb animation, with brilliant visual concepts and some wonderfully atmospheric lighting and use of shadow.

So, yeah. I like it. smile
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I like the fist half of the movie, but then the second kind of let me down a bit. I felt they killed off way too many characters, and then replaced them with drones that had no unique personality.

Gone were all of Megatron's cronies, replaced by Cyclonus and the sweeps. No more Soundwave, Thundercracker etc.

The whole Junkticons thing didn't work well for me either. It just seemd like something thrown together.

The death of Optimus was done well considering them going back and forth constantly in the TV series with no clear winner.

I wish I could get my hands on the UK comic version. Your reports on the stories and writing definitely have got my interests.
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Some of the UK comics have been collected into trade paperbacks that you might be able to get hold of, if you hunt about a bit.

In particular I recommend hunting out the stories 'Target:2006' (which ties in directly with the movie), 'Time Wars' (defines the term 'epic'), 'Legacy of Unicron' (shows what happened to his head, does Cybertronian war on a huge scale, and explains the origins of Unicron and Cybertron/Primus), and also the climactic issues that showed the return of Unicron and the 'final' destiny of the Autbots and Decepticons.

Basically, Simon Furman is the writer to look for.

Some useful info here: http://www.tfarchive.com/comics/
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I liked the animated serie. I haven look at them 2-3 years ago and still found them interesting. Never look one of the comic series.... but from the comment here i miss something. I reinterested myself to the series some years ago with the 3D show "beast war" and "beast machine" from mainframe. Mainframe always do greatshow show for kid who grow up a lot with time into a more adult show. The end of "beast war" was amazing and they make great link with the old series (return of starscream, the fid of the arch, apparition of ravage...).

Shadu
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I think if they followed the Darkwars comics it could be a pretty interesting movie.
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hmm... I think you guys are being a bit harsh when you havent had so much as a glance so far. Although you have had some previous views of Bays work, who knows.

Although I have never been a fan of transformers(and forgive me for saying), I've always found myself thinking them quite dorky as well as the kids who watched them. However I never realized they existed until I was 11, I just found the show something that little kids would watch, no older than 8.

I tell you that, because the impression given from that link is a great one. It's the first time I've ever had respect for Transformers, and all it was, was a giant eye of one of the robots.

All in all, I think that small intro was great, and that this movie could be a huge hit. But most of you have more experience than me, so you have more of a say, but just don't be too quick to judge it.


.:Everything expressed in this post was completely my opinion, don't take it perosnally or offensively:.
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Bumblebee... taking a nap?

http://www.aintitcool.com/images2006/bumble.jpg
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^ page ist ien, not found.....
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Gnome326 wrote:

^ page ist ien, not found.....
AHA! www.aintitcool.com reported that the studio requested the image be removed.....
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I saw the photo. Curiously, it was a giant animatronic Bumblebee, which was rather cool - albeit very surprising. Didn't expect them to be doing any of the robots practically - unless this is a deactivated Bumblebee or something, so limited movement.

Couldn't really tell much about the design from the photo. He was yellow, at least. smile

I've also seen a description and some stills from next week's teaser trailer. Suffice to say, it looks pretty fooking awful, hugely generic and entirely uninspiring.
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Trailer was released...


That's just... worse than I would ever have imagined.
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You mean the teaser? I reckon it's pretty sweet though ultimately gives nothing away.

I'm still basically hoping the movie is as good as my fantasies about giant robots.
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Do you really think there can ever be a movie as cool as any of our fantasies about giant robots?

I really didn't think the teaser was that great. Or even good. I thought it sucked.
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I have a similar feeling like after seeing the pirates of the caribbean teaser, which showed nothing but a skeleton foot walking. And no one around me liked it, while I thought "It has skeletons, how can it not be awesome?"

This is about giant robots... How could it not be cool? smile
Surely I can be wrong, but I'm not of yet to give my hope... wink
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That teaser just hit the nail in the coffin for me. And almost any movie with something about NASA and classified alien life and machinery on mars is bound to be bad

This movie is going toward the deep end, or it's there already

I don't care though I'm seeing it opening night just like I'm seeing Snake on a Plane razz
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Wow, I'm impressed. Actually, really, genuinely impressed.

Despite all my previous negative comments in this thread, Michael Bay & co have gone and done the impossible -

The teaser was actually worse than I expected.

I didn't know that was possible. To achieve that really takes some doing.

Mars landers, alien things on Mars, a teaser in which absolutely nothing of any substance happens. How uninspired do they want to be? Seems to be utterly missing the point, as well as missing the massive marketing opportunities this franchise offers.

They could have done spoof car adverts, only revealing/hinting at the end that it was Transformers. They could have done abstract glimpses of transforming. They could have done all sorts of things, building gradually before the big reveal.

Instead they go for a lame Independence Day/standard scifi crap angle. For fans, this is fairly useless and doesn't go either way. For non-fans, this just looks like rubbish, unimaginative, poor TV scifi.

Gobsmackingly appalling.
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Yeah, I just saw it... you predicted it correctly..

Tarn wrote:

How much do you bet it'll just be one of those animated logo teasers? Probably involving the logo 'transforming'.
The trailer did nothing for me; that's all I have to say.

Is it just me, or when you read Tarn's post, do you "hear" Prime's voice due to his Avatar?
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Simply terrible...
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I watched it and it was pretty much what I expected at this point of the films production, mainly because it's so long until the actual film release I didn't expect any amazing FX, etc.

I'll reserve judgment until the film is released.

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GORDONS ALIVE
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I think you guys re being waaaaaaaaaaay too harsh. It's a teaser, it's meant to tease a mainstream audience in a theater, and I think it does a good job of doing so.

If I were to have seen this teaser in theaters, I would've been wondering the whole time what movie it would be about, because talking about the Mars expedition and all is so ambiguous, it leaves you thinking this movie could be anything. Then Optimus (i think) just comes out of nowhere and the title "Transformers" pops up.

"Wow, I had no idea that teaser would've been for a Transformers movie" is my first thought, and my second is "holy crap, a Transformers movie!"

I think this teaser DID build up something. It had me thinking we were going to see an alien or something on Mars, but then, instead of something sci-fi, it's a transformer. A good buildup to a good finale.

You guys were all already expecting it to be a transformers teaser, and that's why it was ruined for you. It teases, just in a different way.
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Garrison wrote:

Is it just me, or when you read Tarn's post, do you "hear" Prime's voice due to his Avatar?
Heh, that's possibly the best thing anybody's ever posted on FXhome. wink

ben3308 wrote:

I think you guys re being waaaaaaaaaaay too harsh. It's a teaser, it's meant to tease a mainstream audience in a theater, and I think it does a good job of doing so.
Mainstream audiences will just go "Transformers? That cheesy cartoon/toy thing from the 80s? I can't believe they're making a movie of that, how lame!"

If I were to have seen this teaser in theaters, I would've been wondering the whole time what movie it would be about, because talking about the Mars expedition and all is so ambiguous, it leaves you thinking this movie could be anything.
Not really. It leaves you thinking "oh, another crap Hollywood scifi action movie with no brains." Not the best setup.

The Mars angle is so old, it just reminds audiences of Red Planet and Mission to Mars - hardly great references. Then the idea it of being some government coverup/hush-up conspiracy.....lame, and so very 90s.

Then Optimus (i think) just comes out of nowhere and the title "Transformers" pops up.
I'm not sure Optimus Prime is in the habit of stomping on Earth spacecraft.

In fact, I'm not sure many Decepticons are, either. They generally have better things to be doing than jumping on miniscule, irrelevant pieces of machinery.

More to the point, what are any of them doing on Mars? What has Mars got to do with anything? It's utterly irrelevant.

You guys were all already expecting it to be a transformers teaser, and that's why it was ruined for you. It teases, just in a different way.
It's no different to the arse X2, Spidey2 and Da Vinci Code teasers, which were just animated logos. The only difference is we had some generic NASA footage stuck on the front, followed by a brief robot silhouette that is so fast you can't even tell what you're looking at.

That's not a tease, it's a total non-event.

The Citroen dancing car advert is a better Transformers teaser than this. That was a cool advert that was technically impressive, witty, and also made people fondly remember "oh yeah, Transformers! I used to like them." Even people that didn't like Transformers, or who were too old to be into the scene, were still impressed due to the advert's high quality.

If this is in any way illustrative of the imagination being put into this movie, then it's probably going to turn out worse than I had feared. Then again, both X2 and Spidey2 turned out to be really good - but they had Bryan Singer and Sam Raimi at the helm, plus both had already done the hard work with the original movies.

This has Michael Bay adapting a very, very complex and difficult franchise to live action - a concept that needs to be handled incredibly delicately if its to avoid being laughed out of cinemas or, worse, simply disregarded by the general public.

Michael Bay must be stopped, no matter the cost.
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Tarn wrote:



Michael Bay must be stopped, no matter the cost.
Now thats the premise to a movie I would watch.
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Hehehehe..

* schwar gives tarn a knowing nod *
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Garrison wrote:

Is it just me, or when you read Tarn's post, do you "hear" Prime's voice due to his Avatar?
Haha, I never realised it was optimus prime before! To me it looked like an ant getting knocked off a wulrus' head by a demolishing thing with a red demolishing ball wotsit.

Tarn wrote:

The Citroen dancing car advert is a better Transformers teaser than this. That was a cool advert that was technically impressive, witty, and also made people fondly remember "oh yeah, Transformers! I used to like them." Even people that didn't like Transformers, or who were too old to be into the scene, were still impressed due to the advert's high quality.
Have you seen the cool follow up with a transformer ice skating?
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Tarn wrote:

Michael Bay must be stopped, no matter the cost.
Now I hear that song "You Got The Touch" playing in my head. burst

ben, I understand your points and where you are coming from, but as someone who grew up with Transformers (and all the other 80's cartoons that came along with it), and knowing it is a teaser and not a trailer, I would rather they have left out the NASA and Mars stuff.

I too am wondering what any of those things have to do with the mythology. Granted, I'll concede that it's too early to tell, but I feel that it took away rather than added to my interest in it.
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Michael Bay must be stopped, no matter the cost.
Heh, reminds me of that episode of South Park where the boys try to stop Spielburg and Lucas from re-releasing Raiders of the Lost Ark. You should definately start an organization and offer free hats to anyone that goes. lol
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Gnome326 wrote:

Michael Bay must be stopped, no matter the cost.
Heh, reminds me of that episode of South Park where the boys try to stop Spielburg and Lucas from re-releasing Raiders of the Lost Ark. You should definately start an organization and offer free hats to anyone that goes. lol
Forget hats and use hotpants and kill 2 birds with 1 stone.
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If the movie has a single scene like this - it will be great.
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Brilliant. That scene always impresses me. Sure, it has the low framerate that always comes with low budget 2D animation, but some of the use of shadow and composition is pretty astounding - particularly the shot of Megatron in the corridor, Prime illuminated in the entrance, all noirish shadows. Then that brilliant shot with Megatron leaping over Prime's head. You can tell the director and animators were going beyond the call of duty for what was basically commissioned to be a toy advert. It's stuff like that that makes the film still watchable today.

Also gotta love the general harsh violence and vicious tone in the fights - it's not really toned down much for kids. When Megatron is screaming "Fall, fall!" there's some real hatred there.

So much, in fact, that the movie was vilified on release by parents' groups, for being massively violent and containing some rather adult language.

I wonder if the film will invest such character into the big stompy robots. Both the movie and the UK comic managed it (though the cartoon didn't, as it was generally very poorly written). However, seeing as how Michael Bay can rarely inject interesting/convincing character into his human actors, I don't really see him managing it with giant robots.

They should have just recreated that scene in live action and released that as the teaser. razz
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Oh my god, I'm getting mine tomorrow
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A better pic of the text for those who are interested in the t-shirt biggrin
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A TEASER that I would have thought would work is something like:

Show some clips of three F16s flying over a metropolis then cut to a side view shot of the plane where the audience could see that there was no pilot. Cut to a first person view of the cockpit, looking down at the joystick, and have the joystick pulling to the left to make the plane bank (reaffirming that the jet is unmanned). Cut to a shot of the missiles being launched off the wing, and the missiles hitting some of the tall buildings and exploding. Cut to people running for cover everywhere. Then a scene where some guy is running in the street looking for cover, and a semi truck is rolling down the same street and coming to a screeching halt. Cut to a panning shot of the F16 flying past and behind a building (then you hear the transforming sound), and while the camera is still panning, Starscream would be in robot mode, and lands on his feet (but you don't actually see him transform since he does it behind the building).

The human (caught in-between) looks up at Starscream scared and backs up into the semi (still looking at Starscream). The guy hears and feels the semi move (and it’s starting to transform). Cut to the semi’s first person view, then the camera starts going up like on a crane looking downward at the human. As the semi is transforming, Prime’s shadow would show, and be casting over the human as the human now backs away from the semi. By using the shadow, you can see Prime changing into robot mode. Then (still in first person view), Prime looks at Starscream and a laser shot goes straight to the camera (Prime’s face).

Then you have that Transformer Logo happen.

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Sure. I think that's a great idea. Through in a little teasing scene, not pertaining to the movie, but still just really teasing and cool, and making it partially evident what you're seeing. Very much like Spiderman's original teaser with the web inbetween the twin towers. It was perfect.

The only problem is, they actually had all that filmed, where it appears (by the use of only file footage and CG) that Bay hasn't pulled anything out yet, which would be good reason to put out something like this.

Hey, no biggie. Bay loves putting out either REALLY long-explain-everything-in-the-2-minutes trailers (Bad Boys 2, Armaggedon, etc.), and he likes putting out teasy little too-cool-to-show-that-much-of trailers (The Island, mostly Pearl Harbor, TCSM)

He always looks like such a gripey arsehole in all of his bts stuff on his movies' DVDs, but I still think he's a pretty good director for "POW! BANG! KABLAAAAAMMEEEEEE!" action stuff, and really cool slo-mo dolly-shots.

As long as it looks as good as this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hilgrByAs7E&search=optimus%20prime
I might see it.
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I think that this movie should have the transformers really be robots in disguises. So there's these huge mechs walking around wearing fake plastic Groucho noses and wigs, and no one knows they're robots. Not even the audience.
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Starscream was an F-15, not an F-16...
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schwar wrote:

Starscream was an F-15, not an F-16...
Oops, my bad... eek
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Aculag wrote:

I think that this movie should have the transformers really be robots in disguises. So there's these huge mechs walking around wearing fake plastic Groucho noses and wigs, and no one knows they're robots. Not even the audience.
Preferably one would also attempt to hide behind a small shrubbery, like Rex in Toy Story 2.
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I agree with people on here in saying I think most people are being a bit harsh on what we've seen. I love Transformers, seen the movie a billion times and alot of the tv series on dvd. I never saw the comics but I still consider myself a good fan on the franchise.

I like alot of what Bay has done, I think he handles action very well, which is what I think is important in this movie. In all honesty, I'm not that interested in character backgrounds etc. Yes, explain where they come from, why they're here etc etc then lets see them fight. I've read good things about storyboards/animatics of the action scenes, supposedly stuff like we've never seen before, but granted they could just be hyping it themselves.

I never thought about what was mentioned about setting it in the 80's, could've worked well I think actually but I'm still liking it being set now.

As for the vehicle designs, I think fair enough for the update. Megatron turning into a tank seems ok to me if that's what happens, I think I'd have preferred the 'turret' he turned into as galvatron but meh, it's their movie. Megeatron turning from a huge robot into a handheld gun though I don't think would've worked in a live action move, probably would've just looked wrong.

The teaser I didn't really like. It teased yes, but just did nothing. Why release it 1 year ahead of the film? I was surprised at the Spidey3 trailer being released this early, and showing us so much! It made us all aware of it bigtime (did me anyway!) but the transformers teaser may as well just been the logo.

One thing I'm looking forward to is the voices. With the fans of Transformers, i think this could make or break it for them. I can't imagine any other voices for any of the bots than what i already know, will be such a shame to have a film ruined based on a characters voice! Sounds crazy but it would really play on my head i think if they sound too wrong.
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Twisted by the people trying to act "80s", this franchise has become. The franchise you loved, gone it is... Consumed by Michael Bay.
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schwar wrote:

Starscream was an F-15, not an F-16...
Starscream ALSO happened to have the most annoying voice of all time. That voice actor should be shot.
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The actor, Chris Latta, who did the voice of Starscream died in the early nineties

He also did the voice of Cobra Commander from GI Joe.

Regarding the announcement trailer here is a quote from Michael Bay's website.

"BTW, for those of you asking:

1- None of the Mars story, launch footage, and rover footage is going to be in the movie.

2.- Yes, Bay did shoot the rover footage."


Tarn - On a positive side Simon Furman is onboard the new movie as writing consultant so maybe he will have an influence over the story.
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Greyo wrote:

Tarn - On a positive side Simon Furman is onboard the new movie as writing consultant so maybe he will have an influence over the story.
Yeah, I did hear rumours to that effect a while back, but I was never able to confirm quite what his involvement was. Is he in a "placate the fans, but not really have any actual creative say" kinda role? Or is he directly overseeing the story/mythology etc?

If he has a major role then the film may have hope.

On the other hand, the listed writers on the IMDB share between them the following cinematic classics:

Catwoman
The Core
The Island (not a bad script, if utterly derivative, but Bay royally screwed it)

Not exactly the world's best resumé. In fact, nobody involved in the writing of The Core and Catwoman should work again. Then again, the same could be said of Akiva Goldsman, the hack responsible for Batman & Robin, Lost in Space and the 'funkifying' of I, Robot - but he's an Oscar winner now.

There is no justice in the world.
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Tarn wrote:



On the other hand, the listed writers on the IMDB share between them the following cinematic classics:

Catwoman
The Core
The Island (not a bad script, if utterly derivative, but Bay royally screwed it)

.
I believe that John Rogers (Catwomen/Core) is no longer involved in the actual writing of the Transformers film. He was hired before Michael Bay and once Bay was hired he brought onboard the writing partnership that is Orci and Kurtzman.

So it would appear that Bay agrees with you Tarn about John Rogers not being allowed to write again.
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Are you sure Greyo? I was under the impression that John Rogers is still the lead writer with Orci and Kurtzman contributing?

Still Orci's and Kurtzman's credits are hardly any better than Roger's. unsure

Why have 1 bad writer when you can have 3!
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Yeah, no matter which way you spin it...why on earth would you hire those writers, when there's so many great (or at least good) writers out there? It doesn't make any logical sense.
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Gah, if John Roger's screws this one up I'll rip out his optics!
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I love John Rodgers just for this email he sent Aintitcoolnews.com in response to a bad review on the site.

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=14288
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Tarn wrote:

Yeah, no matter which way you spin it...why on earth would you hire those writers, when there's so many great (or at least good) writers out there? It doesn't make any logical sense.
Because no good writer wants to write a script about robots that transform into cars?
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That's precisely my point though, if it's pitched as a movie about 'robots that transform into cars', then not only will writers not be interested, but movie-goers won't be particularly interested either.

It seems to me that it's being conceived along those simplistic lines, hence only being able to attract writers of this calibre.

Any pulpy/scifi/fantasy concept can be described to sound utterly ridiculous - and often they are, in the loosest sense. But they usually use that as a thread on which to hang all sorts of other, genuinely interesting themes, characters and plots. It's basically what pulp scifi has done since the dawn of the genre - take an essentially ludicrous idea, then use it to examine very real issues from a completely unique viewpoint.
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TRAILER IS NOW UP!!!! Well a teaser anyhow. Check it out.
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We've been discussing it for a few pages now, Ashman. smile
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O man! I miss everything sad eh well
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Bryan! Save us!!

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That would be amazing. He's my hero. This month.
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Rating: +2

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Do you think we'll actually see any fighting in this movie? I say see, as in, see it through Bay's crazy camera shake. In fact they may as well smear vaseline all over the camera lens. Until I see a trailer I'm never going to be convinced that Bay will do this movie justice. It just feels like he's raping my childhood, and all thats left is "The Go Bots".

In fact I wonder if they'll have Paul W S Anderson direct that one?
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I used to love Go-bots.

I feel sorry for Bay, he uses shaky camera and is crucified while Paul Greengrass does it and people love him.
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I hate Paul Greengrass' visual style, if it makes you feel better. smile It utterly ruined the last Bourne film and made it almost unwatchable.

Bourne Supremacy has the dubious distinction of being the only movie to ever give me a headache while watching it. I had to concentrate so much on trying to decode the wobbly visuals that my eyes got really tired. I barely remember anything about the film itself now, other than the wobbly camerawork. In an action scene, fair enough. In a tender, quiet, dialogue-driven character momet? No thanks.

I've never noticed Bay have a particularly bad wobble-style. And I've got nothing against wobble-cam in general. When used well it can be superb, as seen in stuff like City of God and Black Hawk Down.
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ashman wrote:

It just feels like he's raping my childhood
People really need to stop saying that. That is such a load of crap.
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John Travoltas Ghost wrote:

ashman wrote:

It just feels like he's raping my childhood
People really need to stop saying that. That is such a load of crap.
It is rather melodramatic, I agree.

Personally I have no especial problem with him changing things and reinventing it to suit his vision. That's inevitable when transferring from one medium to another. What I'm concerned about is simply that his vision won't be particularly great - or not as great as the franchise potential.
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Airforce involved with the TRANSFORMER filming.

The video doesn't show much, but just thought I'd add to the thread. biggrin
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It reminds me of the Mech Warrior trailers.

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And the VOICE of Optimus Prime is....
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Im so glad that Michael Bay has decided to go with Peter Cullen as the voice of Optimus... I wonder if any others will come onboard.
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As cool as Cullen was in the series/movie, I'd say it's still a fairly minor element overall. It's going to take a lot more than hiring Cullen to convince me that Bay is the man for the job.

It's not so much who is speaking the words...as what the words are, that's important.
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In a live web chat today, writers Robert Orci and Alex Kurtzman announced the full list of characters appearing in the movie:

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Autobots

Optimus Prime (leader)
noble, elegant, shakespearean

Bumblebee (scout)
smallest of the Autobots, he's the scout and gets into the most dangerous situations, most connected to humans

Jazz
Very eager, very contemporary, very stylish
looks at human culture and picks out what he likes best

Ratchet (medical/science officer)
smartest of the Autobots, medic
Alt-Mode: Emergency vehicle

Ironhide
He's the gritty soldier, the muscle
if Prime's the elegant, noble character, Ironhide is the muscle, the good soldier

Decepticons

Megatron
most advanced being in the universe
not purely evil, his motto is "survival of the fittest"

Starscream
plotting to overthrow Megatron
classic "banter" between Megatron and Starscream is intact

Brawl
a ****** off, eager, brute

Bonecrusher
most constructicon-like of the bots
a fascist, hates all Decepticons except Megatron

Barricade
Alt-Mode: Cop Car
A scout, a camouflaged hunter

Scorponok
most BW/Dinobot-like bot,
makes total sense in the environment he's in

Frenzy (spy)
originally supposed to be Soundwave, small

Blackout
sends out EMP before attacking to block all electronical devices;
Transport for the Decepticons, kind of like the Decepticon Ratchet

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Sounds like some of the character's personalities are still intact, even if their appearance has changed. On that note, here's a (small) pic of the full size Bumblebee:

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Prepare for my latest cynical ravings... smile

Alex Reeve wrote:

Barricade
Alt-Mode: Cop Car
A scout, a camouflaged hunter
Barricade? That's a bit obscure. Wonder why they didn't go for a more well-known/recognisable Decepticon.

Scorponok
most BW/Dinobot-like bot,
makes total sense in the environment he's in
Not keen on Scorponok being in it so early. Sure, they're not going by any previous continuity, but having one of the best/alien-type Transformers in it already would seem to be playing their hand too early - in the first film it should all be specifically about the Robots In Disguise, I reckon. The more extravagant Transformers could come in later movies - when disguise is no longer so important, and the war and creating fear is more crucial to the 'Cons.

Frenzy (spy)
originally supposed to be Soundwave, small
Not keen on the amalgamation of Soundwave into Frenzy. Then again, Soundwave was always just a boring, sane version of Shockwave, so no great loss. And given the (very sensible) avoiding of magical size shifting, Soundwave wasn't really a viable possibility anyway.

Blackout
sends out EMP before attacking to block all electronical devices;
Transport for the Decepticons, kind of like the Decepticon Ratchet
Yet Blackout is somehow magically unaffected by his EMP blast?

My main issue is with how tiny the cast list is - I wonder if this'll be the limit of the characters appearing, or whether lots of others will appear in the background.

Not sure about that pic of Bumblebee either...seems far too robotic - not much to empathise with. Transformers aren't meant to just be 'robots' or 'machines', there's supposed to be somethign a bit more going on inside. If you check out the cartoon or the comic, the artists have always gone for humanising the faces to a degree. Bay's film seems to be going towards emphasising the machine angle, which could be a mistake, I feel.
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What is Dane Cook doing in this movie?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0418279/
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The Voice of bumblebee
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Having now seen images of other character designs over at AICN (click here), I can say that I really, really dislike the route they've gone down for the movie.

Their designs are massively busy and over-produced, with a ridiculous amount of visual information busting out of every joint. It's impossible to make out features or gain any sense of character or emotion from these designs. In other words, they're too robotic. These like like human-made machines, natural evolutions of modern-day robotics. Which would be entirely missing the point.

Also, these don't look like Transformers. They look like any other random robot design, and remind me of some non-Transformers toys that used to be around in the 80s (though I can't recall their name). What made Transformers wasn't simply their transforming ability, but their visual design - you could always see remnants of their 'disguise' form in their robot form. Hence Prime always had his truck cab as his chest, the cars would often end up with their bonnets making up parts of their feet, etc. That was all part of the fun.

Bay and his designers seem to have utterly missed the point. They've made some very, very cool robots, but they are in no way Transformers.
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wow. thos pictures over at AICN look pretty damn crappy.

How can you have a transformers movie and not have prime look like this:



This is who Optimus Prime is. Anything else IS NOT Optimus Prime.

But this:



this is just something that people who like Micahel Bay movies will think is cool

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Yeah, I think that's the main problem. While Bay's robots are undeniably cool robots, they're simply...not Transformers. Which would be fine if Bay was making an original film about big stompy robots - but it seems to be rather missing the point in this case.

Still, at least it means that there will be room for more talented people to make a proper Transformers movie in about 10 years' time... wink
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But Tarn, if there wasn't Bay making this film, you couldn't enjoy coming back ant rant about the same thing over and over again, which you obviously do like doing, could you? smile



The new design looks like something one has to get used to indeed.
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Horrific!
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Heh, that design looks so typical to the Michael Bay/Jerry Bruckheimer movies. And that looks bad. smile
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The big difference between the movie robot design and the cartoon robot design is for one (i hope in fact) an more realistic transormation process... In the cartoon some part of the transformer alwaysdesipear or be resize to fit in the two form.. Maybe they try to have a realistic transformation process.

But your right.. the design and not so good... And bumblebee a racing car?? NNAAAHHH!!!! Why change that?

Shadu
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I think if someone was able to take exactly how the Transformers look in the cartoon, and translate that into real life, that would be a start in the making of a good movie.


Ten years....
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shadu wrote:

The big difference between the movie robot design and the cartoon robot design is for one (i hope in fact) an more realistic transormation process... In the cartoon some part of the transformer alwaysdesipear or be resize to fit in the two form.. Maybe they try to have a realistic transformation process.
I agree completely that the movie needed to abandon the 'resizing' thing from the cartoon/comics. However, that only really affected a select few - Megatron, Soundwave etc. So changing Megatron's form (into, say, a tank) would be fine with me.

However, Prime & co work fine. If you're in doubt of Prime's original truck cab being able to transform into the original Prime robot shape, you only need to check out the superb 20th anniversary toy, which is really quite remarkable.

If they couldn't get the original designs to work, then they're either lazy or poor designers. Sure, you might need to do a few nips and tucks here and there, but utterly changing them into bizarre super spikey robots that look like they're from a different toy series entirely...that's just silly.
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If they couldn't get the original designs to work, then they're either lazy or poor designers.
Eh? You not liking the designs is one thing, I don't like them much myself either. But this is a pretty weird thing to say.

So they decided to something new instead of using the original designs - given, something you don't like... That doesn't appeal to your personal taste - and for that they're either lazy or poor designers?

That's a bit cheap imo.
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As much as I love the original Optimus design, it looks a little eighties. Whether the Transformer fanboys like it or not, the palate of the general audience has grown more refined over the years, and the newer design is simply more pleasing and futuristic-looking. I see nothing wrong with it. Sure, it's not the same, but who cares! Would you rather have no Transformers movie than one by Michael Bay? He's not even that bad of a director! The cinematography and editing in The Island and Armageddon was awesome.

If Michael Bay is all about making things visually pleasing, I'm down with that, even if he does have to sacrifice a few things (original Optimus design).
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are you kidding? vintage 80's is like the trendiest thing right now. they would eat this up.
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Sollthar wrote:

If they couldn't get the original designs to work, then they're either lazy or poor designers.
So they decided to something new instead of using the original designs - given, something you don't like... That doesn't appeal to your personal taste - and for that they're either lazy or poor designers?
Not at all, you misread my post. I'm not saying they're poor/lazy due to me disliking the designs, I'm saying that based on their reason/excuses for some of the design changes - namely that the original designs wouldn't 'work' in terms of the transformation etc, when clearly they would.

If they'd just said "we don't like the Transformers designs, we want our movie to be totally different and unrelated," then I'd respect that. I wouldn't like it, but I'd respect it more. razz

ben wrote:

As much as I love the original Optimus design, it looks a little eighties
Indeed, the original cartoon certainly is rather 80s. However, I'm not saying the designs should be 100% identical to the originals - not at all. But to entirely change them seems a bit strange to me, when the whole point of Transformers in the first place was the unique design approach. That's how you could always recognise a Transformer toy over, say, a Gobot toy, or a Robotech toy (well, except for Jetfire, but that's another story).

My other problem is that these just look like super-advanced Earth technology, like you might expect Japanese robot builders to make in 20-30 years, or something NASA might do. That, coupled with a complete lack of emotional attachment to such spiky, roboty designs has me worried.

Then again, by having totally wacky designs, as Waser says, it enables someone to come along in 10-20 years and do a proper Transformers movie... wink

Ah, and going back to the 80s point: That's also why the first movie should have been set in the 80s. Making it a period piece would have been a genius move, enabling them to go with the original transformed vehicles and capturing some of the nostalgic spirit, while also lending comedic potential. Then sequels could have taken place 'in the now' and then in the future. That would have been perfect.
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With the exception of slightly less gaunt and rigid curves, I'd say the modern designs looks almost exactly like the old one, just curvier. Optimus has the same truck parts on his arms, same headlights on his sternum, and same face composition, albeit having a flame design added.
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Waser wrote:

wow. thos pictures over at AICN look pretty damn crappy.

How can you have a transformers movie and not have prime look like this:



This is who Optimus Prime is. Anything else IS NOT Optimus Prime.

But this:



this is just something that people who like Micahel Bay movies will think is cool
I Like Michael Bay movies. The way Optimus prime originally looked was really boring and toy-like. The New version is much more visually appealing. And Bumblebee looks pretty damn great.
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Whilst I love the original Transformers designs (because I grew up with them) I'm also well aware that designs role on and change is inevitable. I like the look of the new designs and will reserve judgement on the characters themselves until I've seen them actually 'acting' in future trailers and the film itself, rather than just a few static design concepts or photo's.

Mantra smile
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20th Anniversary Optimus Prime looks like the cartoon prime (only better) and transforms in to a near perfect truck. If its possible with a 12inch tall plastic and metal toy then with CG it could have been amazing!
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Gman 007 wrote:

youre proabably right but i'll still go see it just to see an awsome CG Prime.
Just saw this quote from earlier in the thread. I think it highlights the mis-direction of the film. No matter what problems I might have with the story approach, style etc, one thing I thought I could have been assured of was seeing an 'awesome CG Prime', as Gman put it.

Except, by going with totally new and unrelated designs, I don't even have that. Which means there's actually nothing in this film to really interest me anymore, which is something of a shame. sad
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Tarn, I think you feel the same way i felt when the TV series "Animorphs" aired in '97. Idk if you read those books or anything, but they had a pretty serious edge to them near the end of the series particularly, very deep storylines and character development. This show comes along and turns it into eye candy and childish plotlines, because they can't see past the "people who turn into animals" thing. Not that this is partucularly relevant, but I believe I can safely say I feel your pain. unsure
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pixelboy wrote:

Tarn, I think you feel the same way i felt when the TV series "Animorphs" aired in '97. Idk if you read those books or anything, but they had a pretty serious edge to them near the end of the series particularly, very deep storylines and character development. This show comes along and turns it into eye candy and childish plotlines, because they can't see past the "people who turn into animals" thing. Not that this is partucularly relevant, but I believe I can safely say I feel your pain. unsure
YES. i totally i agree. i was a crazy fan of those books, had every one of them. the show totally missed the point of the books.
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I dunno if anyone has seen this yet (if they have then o well, i was too lazy to look). I hope it isnt real cuz it doesnt look that great to me.. atleast not as good as it should look..

http://redruth.greenbean.org/~ben/tformer_ILM_test.mpg

A transformer ILM test.
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I'm pretty sure that isn't an actual ILM test - ie, it's a fake.

Either way, the design of the robot in that test is very much like the original Transformer design, so I doubt it'll bear much resemblance to the movie itself.
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Either way, stuff like that gets me all excited for the movie. cool
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Tarn wrote:


Either way, the design of the robot in that test is very much like the original Transformer design
That's what I thought. I think that "test" looks way cooler than the actual movie. The dream is possible
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The first proper trailer is out:

http://video.vividas.com/CDN1/5029_paramount/en/web/

And, goddammit, I hate to say it but....it looks quite good! It still doesn't look like a Transformers movie, but it does look like a pretty damn cool movie.

Some remarkably good visual effects in there, too.
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why, why, WHY is this a Transformers movie? If this was "Big Stompy Robots - The Film" I would be behind this 100%. Take out the fact that this is a transformers movie, it does infact look pretty cool. I'm still miffed about the thing as a whole though.

And something about leboeuf wearing a The Strokes shirt made me laugh.
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Hm, this really doesn't look like a Tranformers movie at all... But it looks cool! Much darker then I expected. smile
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Full disclosure: I am a huge Michael Bay fan and NOT a Transformers fan - these cartoons used to grate me seriously when I was a kid.

Now, the trailer pretty much left me cold. While the visual effects look nothing short of spectacular and amazingly well integrated - I love that shot of the soldiers running from some sort of beetle like mechanical monster - and while it sports the amazing kinetic camera work that is Bay signature and that I love so much, I must admit that I feel disappointed.

Like Sollthar, I like the dark tone which I think will save this from absolute, complete and utter embarassment but the suspension of disbelief required to think than an evolved alien race of robots couldn't think of anything better than to transform into Earth's vehicles (one can only assume that it is to "blend in") - not to mention that they seem either smaller or bigger than what they turn into - and that they can also somehow "transform" into people complete with clothes folds and a mustache (!) if that helicopter pilot is any indication, is I am afraid, beyond the range of most adults, regardless of state of the art visual effects. At least it is for me. It was laughable at the cartoon stage, it still is at the movie stage and no amount of money and efforts, regardless of their heroic stature, will save this from a dismally major critical beating... But I'm sure it'll sell toys by the boatloads though... It's fairly effective as a toy commercial.

Another feat of suspension of disbelief is to try to believe that Shya Lebouf would be hanging with a supermodel... Come on! The guy is a complete geek! The only way he'd been within a five mile radius of a girl like that would be if it was his cousin... or a multimillionaire... And from the look of it, it looks like neither... So I am already laughing.

Not a good sign. unsure

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As far as I know, they're not doing any size shifting in the movie at all. The helicopter pilot looked like some kind of hologram illusion to me, positioned inside the cockpit to make it look like someone was piloting. They did a similar thing in the comics/cartoon, as I recall. Cars driving around without any drivers wouldn't be a great disguise, after all. smile
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For a long while now I've been dreading The Transformers movie.

However, the trailer made me sit up and pay attention. It might not appease the die-hards though from the trailer alone it looks potentially very cool indeed. I'm willing to give it a chance.

-Hybrid.
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Tarn wrote:

Cars driving around without any drivers wouldn't be a great disguise, after all. smile
I guess I was thrown off by the fact that when the "hologram" glitches you can clearly see a robots' head and eyes - so I thought it was the robot underneath. Fair enough then... Still ridiculous but fair enough... lol

As you can see, I really wasn't a fan of the original - could barely stand to watch it.

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UPDATE:
I just found it as a nice quicktime for us intel mac users here at Yahoo, enjoy.

JohnCarter wrote:

to think than an evolved alien race of robots couldn't think of anything better than to transform into Earth's vehicles (one can only assume that it is to "blend in") - not to mention that they seem either smaller or bigger than what they turn into - and that they can also somehow "transform" into people complete with clothes folds and a mustache (!) if that helicopter pilot is any indication
Hence the subtitle that's always existed with the transformers "robots in disguise". What else could they change into that would be better than vehicles as robots?

And yes I believe the pilot was some sort of hologram.

I thought this trailer was fantastic, finally getting to see a glimpse of the robots in action made my night. I like the look of the film as a darker approach and with the looks of things, the action sequences will be some of the best of the year competing with spidey i suppose.

I'm really looking forward to this now and my thoughts on the whole robot designs thing is as with some other here, they were needed to make a film in "today' i suppose. Keeping the old designs I'd only forgive if the movie was set in the 80's, but I like the idea more of it being modern, not sure why. I'lll be fully pumped for this movie when I hear Prime's voice, then I know this movie is on track.

The 1 thing I hated about this trailer though is the fact that I had to reboot my mac up in windows to play the trailer, which tard decided it would be clever to put up a trailer using software that won't play on intel macs. Idiots.
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This is the shot that made me go "hmm?" with intrigue.

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WOW

I loved the campy element of the cartoons and don't know much about the comics but have heard good things about them. The entire concept of robots that turn into massive vehicles combines two of the things that would engross little kids the most, and was never meant to be taken seriously. Which is why it is so impressive how freakin' sick this trailer is. It's dark, big, and epic all at the same time; screaming of Michael Bay and Speilberg. I had heard Dane Cook was connected with this project for a while, though I didn't see him in the trailer. This trailer definitely lived up to the teaser I saw a few months ago. I am an impressed and eager fan.


Also, who else thought that video player was very cool? High quality, full-screen, instantaneous streaming with no download, that was really nice!
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Rating: +1

Some cool looking stills under slideshow tab.

http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/transformers.html
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I heard the film recieved an R rating but spielberg talked them into lowering it down to a PG-13. With that in mind, this movie will probably be pretty intense. Not sure how much like the series it will be, but we shall see.

But I think it's cool that Shia LaBeouf will be in the movies, of all the other dweebs Disney has turned out, he seems worthy of the attention he has recieved.
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Woa, I can't wait to see that! Prime loooked so sweet.
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http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/transformers.html

Michael Bay Interview