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Eye of the Tiger

Posted: Mon, 12th Jun 2006, 3:50pm

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Shot in about 45 minutes and edited over the next two evenings, "Eye of the Tiger" is a music video project for school. Because four people were participating in the project, they all had to be in it, so that's why there are a few extra people singing. I wasn't in the group, so I didn't have much creative control over the project, but through shooting and editing the video I did what I could.

All-in-all, I think it came out alright. The lead, Ben Peterson, helped out alot on Cover's Story as well. Please enjoy!


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Posted: Tue, 13th Jun 2006, 12:16pm

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I personaly think it would have looked better if it was shot in black and white.
Posted: Tue, 13th Jun 2006, 1:04pm

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Really? Because most of it is graded to have an almost-overbearing cold wash and about 40% saturation; to somewhat fit how the film looked when that song was played in "Rocky"

Also, all the shots of the girls are in black and white. Hmmm...

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This website may be of interest to your cast:

http://www.cumbria.uk.com/cumbria/fun/gurner.htm
Posted: Tue, 13th Jun 2006, 8:46pm

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nice lol and erin is kinda cute 2 boot
Posted: Tue, 13th Jun 2006, 9:29pm

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i would have liked to see more rocky montage stuff...


what class was this for...???
Posted: Tue, 13th Jun 2006, 9:38pm

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I believe it was for Speech class.

What do you guys think of the technical quality, as far as lighting, framing, editing, and grading go?
Posted: Tue, 13th Jun 2006, 11:25pm

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THere were two shots I really liked. THe one with the lead singer jogging in place (looked like it anyhow), and the first shot with the girls in it (53 seconds). If all the shots were like those, I would have really enjoyed it a lot more.

Also, the shots at 48 and 57 seconds were really bad. The transition between them was jarring. the latter was probably to close to the guys singing.

You had the guys looking straight into the camera for the first shot. so have them look into it for the second too if its a close shot. Otherwise, a wide shot with them looking where the camera used to be.

you also seemed to be lacking a tripod for a few shots, like in the tree.

Now to the lip syncing. I was dissapointed. It was off a lot of the time, and somtimes other actors would take over singing for no apparent reason. It would have been better if the lead person had sang the whole time, and if the syncing was better. But when you hear one voice, the doesn't make sense for more than one person to be moving their mouths, or for a different person to be doing so. But the song has only one vocalist.

It was probably supposed to be funny, but i really didn't get why those guys were rubbing themselves like that. It didn't seem to fit...

Since you have people running so much, why not have a few shots at a track? with the two guys running ( and maybe singing) there too?

You've done better than this, to be frank. Basically, it was the lip syncing that ruined it for me. If the lip syncing had been dead on, i would have enjoyed it much more. Obviously, having shots like i mentioned before would also add a lot, but at least get the lip synced down. Its probably the least artistic thing, since there is only one way to lip sing, but its very very necessary. its annoying, but dont ignore it.

Well, i hope this helped you.

SGB

EDIT: just realized that the people had to sing it in becuase it was for school. So then have them sing one at a time, or choose a song with more that one vocalist.
Posted: Tue, 13th Jun 2006, 11:35pm

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SGB wrote:

you also seemed to be lacking a tripod for a few shots, like in the tree.
I don't even think we own a tripod.
Posted: Tue, 13th Jun 2006, 11:36pm

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We were very near an outdoor track, actually, but it wasn't up to me. I was just helping my friends, and they wanted a straight-on shot, looking into the camera. Like I said, I got what I wanted in only when I could.

The funny thing about lipsynching. The lead actually learned all the lines and sang the whole song aloud in each take. He didn't stop once I stopped recording. He's a vocalist in a band, so I'm suprised you found that so off. The rule for the project was that everyone had to be in the video, and everyone had to sing at once during some part of it.

Anywho, thanks.
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ben3308 wrote:

SGB wrote:

you also seemed to be lacking a tripod for a few shots, like in the tree.
I don't even think we own a tripod.
Then you have amazingly steady hands. There were a few pans where i could have sworn you have a tripod
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It's all in the hips.
Posted: Wed, 14th Jun 2006, 12:43am

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SGB wrote:

There were a few pans where i could have sworn you have a tripod
that wasnt a tripod...winkwinkwinkwinkwinkwinkwinkwinkwinkwinkwinkwinkwinkwink andrew just really liked the dudes dancing around and he got creative with body parts winkwinkwinkwinkwinkwinkwinkwinkwinkwinkwinkwink

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anywho, about the video...why does ben sing so....weird, that sorta ruined it for me.



EDIT: why did u deleat your post ?
Posted: Wed, 14th Jun 2006, 1:24pm

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I know where your going with this but the result doesn't come off right and feels tacky and slightly amaturish to me. Maybe my humor just doesn't go with this movie. I liked the opening of the titles but found it very annoying that the whole title of the movie was never shown. Out of all your work I prefer the splinter cell teaser and cover's story, they surpass all of your latest three movies released in the cinema, now if only splinter cell was released...... wink

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Posted: Thu, 15th Jun 2006, 1:38am

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the new godfather wrote:

anywho, about the video...why does ben sing so....weird, that sorta ruined it for me.
Ill take that one, as seeing i am ben. This was for a stupid speech class project and was not supposed to be taken seriously by any account. We tried to give the whole image of 1970's joggers in which you see in todays movies(headbands, high socks, short pants, aviators), mainly just because we found it hilarious. However, if you dont thats cool, we made a hundred for the project(mainly cause we were one of the only groups that bothered to do it), so i am completely satisfied. The nipple rubs still give me teh chuckles.
Posted: Thu, 15th Jun 2006, 2:33am

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Good to hear from you.

No, I totally dig that style, i love aviators...I understand the speech thing, thats cool.
Posted: Thu, 15th Jun 2006, 8:55pm

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That was boring and uninteresting...

1/5
Posted: Fri, 16th Jun 2006, 4:07am

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Does technical merit matter nothing to anyone anymore? The camerawork and editing in this is completely solid, more so than many films on here, yet all anyone is willing to say is "boring!!!!" and give it a 1. On a forum that seems to honor effects and technical things first, people are sure being pretty judgemental of the content.
Posted: Fri, 16th Jun 2006, 9:30am

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This was pretty damn entertaining considering it was A-typical High school production...


Although, I recently started noticing a trend amongst your guy's films....



You guys ALWAYS mention the amount of time you spent your films


This kind of makes me think you'd prefer busting a film out FAST, whether or not it suffers, then refer back to the "time" it took to make, as if that makes the film better "For what it is"..
Posted: Fri, 16th Jun 2006, 10:57am

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On a forum that seems to honor effects and technical things first, people are sure being pretty judgemental of the content.
Content wise, it was dull. It was four people I don't know singing a song, badly, in a variety of dull locations. That was it. Nothing really happened. It was, in a word, dull.

Technically, this was poor too - the shots were often framed badly, zooms were used in a rather random fashion, and some of the editing was utterly dire (like the cross disove at the start that fades through a camera move - that looked horrible). The grading, if there was any, was pretty bad, and if this hasn't been graded, then I think you need to sort out your colour balance and exposure.

Though it's not as bad as some of your other recent cinema submissions, that's no reason to herald it as being anything more than it is - it was probably quite good for whatever class you made it for, but here, it's a dull piece of technically quite poor work.

So guys, please, stop submitting stuff like this, because I know you're much more capable filmmakers than that. Please, can we see something worthy of the 'atomic productions' moniker? Say.... splinter cell? wink

Cheers,
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Posted: Fri, 16th Jun 2006, 12:54pm

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Arktic wrote:

The grading, if there was any, was pretty bad, and if this hasn't been graded, then I think you need to sort out your colour balance and exposure.
This must be personal preference, because I think it looks great, and closely mimics the washed out look of the training scenes in Rocky. The exposure and the white balance were both evenly set, then the grading of each shot was matched at about 40% or so saturation along with extra contrast and blue color curves.

As for Bryce's comment, it's not so much a trend as it's just how things have turned out lately. The two comedy sketches are what they are: sketches, something fast and furious. The music video was due two days after it was filmed, so we didn't have much time there, and Cover's Story as many know was specifically for a time-limited competition.

We've all had rough movies in the cinema, and I'd like to think that these aren't as rough as some other people's movies; but if they are, who cares, at least people got to see them and say what they thought. (Anyone seen Dirdarladada-whatever it's called? biggrin)

As for things that are definitely not rushed: Splinter Cell is growing further and further away, but we are trying to make progress. When one of your main characters lives 100 miles away and the other just hit puberty, it's a little hard to ration scenes and schedule days to film. We've just got a fresh, thought out script for some more scenes, as well as a completely new opening scene which ties into our current one; and we hope to complete the movie as soon as possible. Although, since it is the summer, many of us- including myself, right now- have vacation and other obligations, so we can't promise anything soon.

Altogether, it was cool hearing what folks had to say about these three new movies, though I don't think anyone pictured them doing this badly, they may be ready to be taken out of the cinema. biggrin Oh well, at least my awesome photoshop banners and posters were seen.s
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ben3308 wrote:

We've all had rough movies in the cinema, and I'd like to think that these aren't as rough as some other people's movies; but if they are, who cares, at least people got to see them and say what they thought. (Anyone seen Dirdarladada-whatever it's called? biggrin)
The difference is that DirlaDarlaDada (or whatever it's called) is a movie Sollthar made when he was very young and just starting out. He put it up here as a bit of a joke (mainly at my urging). It has novelty value because it's from Sollthar, one of the best filmmakers around here, and shows how far he's come since his early days. Not to mention it's got a hugely catchy song.

It's the same as M Night Shyamalan and R Rodriguez putting their early short films on their DVDs - they're interesting from a progression perspective, seeing how they've developed and improved into professional filmmakers. If Rodriguez suddenly released 'bedhead' in cinemas, however, he'd be laughed out of court.

However, your recent 'sketches' have probably perplexed people because we've been seing a general progression and improvement to your filmmaking abilities over the years, and these don't really fit into that progression at all.

Something made 'fast and furious' to fit a course deadline doesn't mean it's ready for general public distribution. Compared to your other work, they seem to lack focus and polish, or even much in the way of interest. Both this and 'The Baby' are only really of interest to those involved in their creation - to outside audiences from all around the world, they just come across as a bit odd and embarassing.
Posted: Fri, 16th Jun 2006, 2:08pm

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I think the main source of perplex..uh...ment, is the stark contrast between what you say and what you do.

There are hundreds of posts illustrating your willingness to subjectively rip apart an opinion/piece of work/idea but when it comes to your own work, none of the issues you raise about other people's work seem to be addressed in your own.

To add insult to injury, you then spend several hundreds words at a time, stubbornly defending your work or nervously palming off bad work as a joke, not serious or "couldn't be bothered" etc - something one imagines you'd pounce on, were it someone else saying it.

Don't get me wrong though - You don't have to be a master to be a critic. But if the critic turns to the practical side of things, its vital they put their money where their mouth is and demonstrate that their opinion is worth something, otherwise everything they say loses credibility.

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That was pretty dire.

But surely it was meant to be that way?

And don't even try and defend the lip-synching as if it was meant to actually be good, halve the time between lyrics the guy would stick his tongue out.
Posted: Fri, 16th Jun 2006, 4:35pm

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Acknowledging something was done quickly and without the same attention to detail as say your splinter cell movie and yet you defend it as vicariously as you would something you'd laboured your life on isn't an mindset I can really understand guys...

This movie akin to a couple of others you've submitted just aren't of a standard of which you should be expecting to be rated highly for, they are largely boring and void of qualities - so instead of justifying why it's perfect just acknowledge that it clearly isnt. As the entire of fxhome has suggested by rating it an average of 2.5.

And for the record, of course technical merit matters. Though excellent camera-work of content which is quite clearly dull still results in a poor movie.

I don't think this, or the recent shorts really show off any of the skills or creativity that some of your previous stuff has. I think you guys are aware of this too. Some come on...

-Hybrid.

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Posted: Fri, 16th Jun 2006, 5:37pm

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Xcession wrote:

To add insult to injury, you then spend several hundreds words at a time, stubbornly defending your work or nervously palming off bad work as a joke
Does this video really look like it was serious, i mean really, dont take teh vid so seriously, half of the video theres just two guys rubbin their nipples and shitty lip-syncing due to not memorizing them prior to shooting. it was a joke, trying to get laughs out of all the kids in the speech class, which in fact, it did.
Posted: Fri, 16th Jun 2006, 6:12pm

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'Fraid you've missed my point - I'm not taking this vid seriously in the slightest. In fact my comments aren't necessarily related to this movie at all, I'm just following a comment Tarn made about attitudes in general.
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I'm getting a bit fed up with some of the attitudes around the forums recently from all levels of FXhomers.

People seem to be fighting for the sake of it – this is not the point of FXhome. Maybe it’s just a hot summer or something.

Atom & ben3308 : If you're going to be as critical of other people’s films as you have been then please have some dignity and take the criticisms against you on the chin.

Everyone else who is getting quite angry please cool down.

FXhome is about friendly discussion, learning and meeting new people. If people don't want to listen to your opinion then they really don't have to.

It’s quite obvious when someone just isn't going to listen or doesn't agree with you. Don't bang your head against a wall and make things escalate.

Move on, view another film, and talk to people who are interested in what you have to say.
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schwar wrote:

ben3308 : If you're going to be as critical of other people’s films as you have been then please have some dignity and take the criticisms against you on the chin.
I think the main problem here is generalizations.

I know that people like Klut, TimmyD, Evman, and a few others have held resilient bias against Atom for stuff he said or did over a year ago, and they're still generalizing him as that kind of person.

I know I've been at a loss of credibility lately with the reason "because you've been defending your own movies while tearing others apart", while, when you look at my votes, comments, and justifications on others' cinema submissions. Me saying why I didn't like something, then suggesting improvements is very different from Klut saying "it was lame and boring!!!!" or Aculag saying "there is no way you guys spent 24 hours!!!!"

Granted, they may not be that extreme, but it just eats me away when people say stuff like this partly for the sake of being flagrant/provoking the creator, which is what usually happens.
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I think schwar took that into account Ben, his post wasn't aimed solely at you.
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I think the main problem here is generalizations.
I did notice most of your threads Ben/Atom quickly turn into some kind of argument... Did it ever occur to you, this might not be entirely everybody elses fault? smile


Well anyways, I have just downloaded the whole 50 Megabyte to have a look at the film. (Why this is 50 MB is beyond me though... I'd suggest a better codec...)

I must say I think this is the best work I've seen of you so far, when it comes to camera work / use of light. 80% of the shots are near perfect technically. Solid contrast, no hotspots, no weird pointless shakyness, good depth of field, good use of framing rules. You would get 4,5 stars from me for your camerawork (you lose the fifth because there's some harsh backlighted shots in there as well, it's not all on the same standard - if those are taken away, an easy 5 star camerawork vote).

However, I do agree with what the others already said (And what you said on ashmans film as well), other then the footage looking good, there is nothing of interest to me here. The editing seems uninspired, and I see some kids having a bit of fun with a well known song. Not really interesting for me to watch in any way.

So content would be around 2 stars for me. Which ends up at 3 stars on the final merit.

I do really compliment you on the camerawork though. You have a good eye. Now I hope this good eye proves to be accurate and conscious and is able to deliver something with a constant quality like some of the shots in here. At the moment, all of your films appear as if the really good stuff happened by accident, because there's also much less good stuff right next to it.

Do something serious, take your time and focus and your talents. Then you'll have something to hold on to. smile
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ben3308 wrote:

Me saying why I didn't like something, then suggesting improvements is very different from Klut saying "it was lame and boring!!!!" or Aculag saying "there is no way you guys spent 24 hours!!!!"
I did not write a full page of how you could improve because;
1. I think you know how, since you actually are a good filmmaker.
2. I didn't feel like pointing out stuff that people before me had said.

ben3308 wrote:

I know that people like Klut, TimmyD, Evman, and a few others have held resilient bias against Atom for stuff he said or did over a year ago, and they're still generalizing him as that kind of person.
No.
I'm a forgiving person, and I never judge anyone by their first impression... Right now, IRL, I'm almost best friends with a guy I hated (yes, hated, I actually wanted him dead) for over four years.
But even though I like the person or not, I don't judge his work out of that.

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Does technical merit matter nothing to anyone anymore?
I belive it matters to many people, but not to me.
I only care for movies/games etc. if it's entertaning.
There are many movies I love that are bad technical, but they often have a solid script, or at least they are fun to watch.
And I still like NES games better then Xbox360 games.

And one last thing. Even though sombody else has mentioned it allready.
If people doesn't like your movie, let it go. You don't have to defend your work to the end. That leaves 10 pages of repetive discussion.
Many people doesn't care at all for my work, and I'm ok with that.
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good points klut
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lol
my friend and i sing this song all the time and dance to it, vid reminded me of us
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Haha. Thanks, man.