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AMNESIA - The Hospital Story

Posted: Thu, 15th Jun 2006, 12:39pm

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Sometime things don't end up as you think, one thing leads to another for better or for worse. In this coming-of-age story, production as well as the story itself finally became Amnesia.
The story about a guy and a girl is always worth doing, at least for me.

WARNING! The movie does contain alot of dialogue and no lightsabers or stunning effects.

Enjoy

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Posted: Thu, 15th Jun 2006, 12:54pm

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Holy cow.

I'm left not knowing really what to say. I was just telling somebody earlier today how I'd not yet ever given a film a five rating in the cinemna...

... and now I have.

That was simply beautiful. Simple and beautiful.

If it needs anything at all, it just needs the subtitles polished up a bit to get the English correct. (Which I would volunteer for in a heartbeat) but that's not enough to detract from it in any way. That was just fantastic.
Posted: Thu, 15th Jun 2006, 12:57pm

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Jazzmanian wrote:

Holy cow.

I'm left not knowing really what to say. I was just telling somebody earlier today how I'd not yet ever given a film a five rating in the cinemna...

... and now I have.

That was simply beautiful. Simple and beautiful.
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Thanks man, I can't say how much I appriciate it.
This movie is really personal to me and much of stuff is based on my own life, so thanks!

Jazzmanian wrote:



If it needs anything at all, it just needs the subtitles polished up a bit to get the English correct.
Cogz took care of that, i've been to busy getting a new quicktime done smile It'll be up

Thanks, once again smile
Posted: Thu, 15th Jun 2006, 1:11pm

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This is arguably one of the best movies on FXhome, and by far the best movie you have done. I'm afraid I can't really find anything bad with it...so it's a 5! smile
Posted: Thu, 15th Jun 2006, 11:58pm

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I thought this was pretty well done.

I am assuming the thing with Elise was supposed to be a shocking twist but... I dunno I guess I assumed that she was his girlfriend the whole time.
Posted: Fri, 16th Jun 2006, 3:45pm

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Good stuff - excellent to see a dialogue/character/acting-based movie actually work, it's difficult to pull off.

One thing I was half-expecting/would have like to have seen, was for the movie to loop around on itself at the end, going to the next day with the girlfriend going into the room, only for the boyfriend's amnesia to have hit again - which could have happened many times already. Could have had a similar exchange "Do I know you?" etc - indicating that the girlfriend's love is enough to come back everyday, even though everyday she has to remind him of who she is.

But that's just me. smile

Nice work Andreas - looking forward to your next piece.
Posted: Fri, 16th Jun 2006, 4:11pm

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nanafanboy wrote:

I am assuming the thing with Elise was supposed to be a shocking twist but... I dunno I guess I assumed that she was his girlfriend the whole time.
Yeah, that kinda was the point which I tried too revealed slowely, obviously not slow enough. (Next time, put a SPOILER thingy)
Thanks for watching it, hope I didn't bore you too much wink


Tarn wrote:

Good stuff - excellent to see a dialogue/character/acting-based movie actually work, it's difficult to pull off.
Yeah, no kidding. It's much harder then it looks, and thats the reason I got into it all from the begining, seeing some sloppy hollywood-dramas and thinking 'I can do better then that', which i'm still trying to. Never learnt so much during a production like this though.

Tarn wrote:


One thing I was half-expecting/would have like to have seen, was for the movie to loop around on itself at the end, going to the next day with the girlfriend going into the room, only for the boyfriend's amnesia to have hit again - which could have happened many times already.
The movie did have an alternitive ending, and beggining. Where we see him at home, and it ends at home too. Restarting his life as it was before the accident. Never shot it, it would've have kept the 'short film' style with it. but...

Tarn wrote:

Could have had a similar exchange "Do I know you?"
The last scene is actually the "Do I know you?"-one, I thought that was obvious and there is the loop itself, maybe I should've kept the audio smile

Thanks so much for the inputs and comments Tarn!
Next piece? I'm taking a break for a while now, all I know it'll be 70's feel good-flick. I'll keep you'll updated wink

Thanks
Posted: Fri, 16th Jun 2006, 4:16pm

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I really enjoyed this when I had a sneek peak a few weeks back Andreas. Really well produced and yes - definetely nice to see a more dialogue heavy and thought-provoking piece amongst the cinema collection.

Yeah, everything worked really well overall, only thing I'd comment on is the sound - could have been better perhaps, maybe some ambiance kicked in their and the contrast could have maybe been squeezed down to make the blacks... black?

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Posted: Fri, 16th Jun 2006, 4:44pm

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That was brilliant - a really well crafted and thought out piece.

Not only was this a spectacular effort in terms of the characters and dialogue, but also the cinematography was superb. I especially liked the black and white photography, which had a superb, artistic feel to it.

Everything in it just... worked. It just worked for me, and really made me think. I've watched it a few times now, and it's really one of the best pieces of cinema I've seen here.

The only minor problem was, as er-no has pointed out, the sound. But the thing was that the story was so engrossing that after a momentary thought about it, I completley forgot that there were ay sound issues at all.

You should be proud of your acchievement; this is in my opinion, the best non-action based short film I've seen at FXhome and probably elsewhere for a long time.

Cheers,
Arktic.
Posted: Fri, 16th Jun 2006, 4:55pm

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er-no, Arktic -thanks, it means alot coming from you guys!

I agree with you both on sounds, it's been my weakest point forever and I'll make sure to work on it extra next time. I know you're a god of audio here er-no so I'll work stuff through with you next time wink

Thanks for the comments!
Posted: Fri, 16th Jun 2006, 5:36pm

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I really really liked this movie, although it has some minor sound issues I thought it was a very beautiful piece of filmmaking. Wonderful selection of music, I love the chemical brothers and hearing Beth Orton's signing was vey apt for the film. This goes into my personal top ten, Great Stuff!

Ash
Posted: Sat, 17th Jun 2006, 2:37am

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That was a very well thought out movie. I absolutely loved your camera angles and lighting, and the synchronization with the music. The movie had a very Collateral feel to it (that’s a good thing).

But one thing, Not like this really matters, I just thought that at the end u should have said something like "having a friends with him will help him, but your should now Elise... he's not going to make it (cause of bleeding in the brain or something)" I think that, at the end would have impacted the audience allot more, and given Elise more credit because even thou she knew he was going to die she stayed with him. Give the audience a little more to think about? (not like you can change it now)

But still it was a very good movie, better than anything I can ever do.

5/5
Posted: Sat, 17th Jun 2006, 10:06am

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Thanks Ash! and yes, that Chemical Brothers piece is amazing.


Zephlon wrote:


But one thing, Not like this really matters, I just thought that at the end u should have said something like "having a friends with him will help him, but your should now Elise... he's not going to make it (cause of bleeding in the brain or something)" I think that, at the end would have impacted the audience allot more, and given Elise more credit because even thou she knew he was going to die she stayed with him. Give the audience a little more to think about? (not like you can change it now)
Giving Elise alot more credit is absolutly true, but I kinda left the ending like I did for theories like this, in my head he's not close to dying ,in your head he is. I didn't want to go too OTT with dying and kinda keep the relationship as the main plot. Your ending would probably have created a totally different movie then this, better or worse? We will never know wink

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But still it was a very good movie, better than anything I can ever do.
Thanks, and don't say that, go back a couple of years and see what I did, your Viet-Scum movie is better then that stuff.

Thanks guys!
Posted: Sat, 17th Jun 2006, 11:12am

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And congratulations to Andreas for vaulting up to the number one spot in the Cinema already! Well deserved! Also, I feel remiss in not mentioning before (as ashman did) that Amnesia also has taken the number one spot in my personal movie list in the cinema.)
Posted: Sun, 18th Jun 2006, 4:59am

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Isn't this site supposed to feature films that have special effects? Not complaining about the quality of the film at all, but I thought that's what this site's man purpose was. To showcase films made with their programs.
Posted: Sun, 18th Jun 2006, 9:37am

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Knightsong wrote:

Isn't this site supposed to feature films that have special effects? Not complaining about the quality of the film at all, but I thought that's what this site's man purpose was. To showcase films made with their programs.
Well, FXhome isn't soley about Lightsabers, i've used VisionLab to do severel compositing stuff and if you can't see them, VisionLab done a hell of a job.

Here's a preview of what I've done in VisionLab:
http://www.ajpictures.se/temp/rullarin_comp.jpg
Posted: Sun, 18th Jun 2006, 10:18am

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Knightsong wrote:

Isn't this site supposed to feature films that have special effects? Not complaining about the quality of the film at all, but I thought that's what this site's man purpose was. To showcase films made with their programs.
That's testament to how damn good Andreas' effects work is. smile

Effects aren't always about giant explosions and muzzle flashes - with our new software, a vast range of very subtle effects are also possible: stuff like compositing and crafting shots that would be otherwise impossible or difficult to film (such as Andreas' gurney shots) as well as colour correction and grading.

Amnesia has some of the best use of special effects I've seen in the FXhome.com cinema to date. To my mind, effects are not about showing off - they're about serving the story of the film at hand.
Posted: Sun, 18th Jun 2006, 12:25pm

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well maid, good dialogue, but a bit boring. I think it was to long, and had to much unnecessary dialogue, altough the dialogue was good.

You should also have called the movie something els, because then it would have come as a shock that she was his boyfriend. Knowing the name of the movie was amnesia, maid it obvious that she was someone close to him.

and, Tarn, you can't call this effects. Ofcourse the few scenes with compositing was nice, but this aint something you could not have done with another program. For Instance Adobe Premier or Pinnacle Licuid.

Ofcourse the subtle use of effects does not make you realise that these are effects, but that does not make the effects good. There are many other movies on this site, with much better looking effects that you do not even look upon as effects.

Anyway; it is a good movie though. But not as impressive as you guys want it to be.

4/5
Posted: Sun, 18th Jun 2006, 2:01pm

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Janco wrote:

and, Tarn, you can't call this effects. Ofcourse the few scenes with compositing was nice, but this aint something you could not have done with another program
What a very odd statement. You seem to have a very narrow (and incorrect) view of what effects are. Of course you can call the techniques used in Andreas' movie "effects".

wikipedia wrote:

Visual effects (vfx) is the term given to a sub-category of special effects in which images or film frames are created or manipulated for film and video
As Andreas has manipulated the images which you see, he has used effects. To say that they're not 'effects' just because other programs do similar things is a bit strange. It's like saying "that car isn't a vehicle because you can use a motorbike to do the same thing!" wink

Cheers,
Arktic.

PS - I'd eat my hats if anyone can do as good a compositing job in Adobe Premiere!
Posted: Sun, 18th Jun 2006, 3:49pm

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Arktic wrote:

PS - I'd eat my hats if anyone can do as good a compositing job in Adobe Premiere!
I'll second that! wink

Great movie btw, I live in Sweden so it was nice to hear the language!
Posted: Sun, 18th Jun 2006, 9:39pm

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Ok, yeah, wrong of me to not call them effects. But those are so simple effects that everyone can do them. Its like: black and white; click. Horizontal flip; click. Mask; click click click - and then you are done. I think I just became a little irritated on you guys celebreting this movies subtle use of effects, because there is nothing special about them. I think there is spent more job on the effects in one single frame of many of the movies at this site, than there has been used on all the effects in this movie.

But I have to say: it is a really good movie though, but not because of the so-called effects.
Posted: Mon, 19th Jun 2006, 12:25am

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Janco I wouldn’t say that they are simple effects. CORRECT composite’s take a lot of talent. You have to match the color to make the movie have the right feel, to make it fit in with the music, and to make it all flow. But also effects come in other things like camera angels, and this movie had some very nice camera angels and camera moves, things that, like the composites, set the mood.

To be proficient at anything is hard, and compositing is no exception.

Now as u stated, yes there are many movies with a butt load of more effects, but what is good about this movie is how he achieved a good movie with mainly the story than by the use of effects, which most movies on this site lack (mine for one) story.
Posted: Mon, 19th Jun 2006, 1:10am

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I think in this case, the great thing is that the effects supplement the content of the film - and not the other way around... That's a great achievement! smile
Posted: Mon, 19th Jun 2006, 4:13am

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This is one of the best short films I've seen in a long time (on this site or anywhere else). I love films which choose one mment (in this case a man reuniting with this lover after a car accident) and exploring the psychology of that encounter from all possible angles. Very well done indeed. The photography was inspired and the dialogue was a perfect blend of theatrical and domestic. Music also worked well to compliment. Also (and this probably sounds a bit crazy), but I loved that fact that the film was not in English and that English subtitles were used. Not only did this give the film a more "foreign language film" arthouse feel, but it also made me concentrate more on the dialogue without anticipating what was going to be said next (as one often does in American and other English language films). Once again, truely a triumph.
Posted: Mon, 19th Jun 2006, 10:20am

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Hey guys, didn't want to ruin your debate over effects to much. I agree with you both, yes the compositing isn't the most advanced, but thats the thing, I achived what I wanted to do without to much trouble and time. And there's a bunch of this things done over the film, wire removal, adding and deleting things in frames etc.
The fact that people dosen't notice them is a good thing.

DannyAU - Thank you! Glad you liked it in Swedish and not in English, I myself prefer the other way around. Probably for the same reason as you. Thanks!
Posted: Mon, 19th Jun 2006, 10:28am

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Janco wrote:

I think I just became a little irritated on you guys celebreting this movies subtle use of effects, because there is nothing special about them. I think there is spent more job on the effects in one single frame of many of the movies at this site, than there has been used on all the effects in this movie.
You seem to have an utterly bizarre attitude towards special effects.

So, to your mind a special effects is only good if:

1. Lots and lots of time is spent on it.

2. It is hugely complex.

I, on the other hand consider a special effect to be good if:

1. It is convincing.

2. It supports/enhances the storytelling.

In that respect, the effects Andreas used in Amnesia are great - they service the story, without calling attention to themselves. That's the whole point of filmmaking - every aspect should come together to form the finished piece.

We're not saying that Andreas did anything remarkable technically, or re-invented the wheel - we're celebrating the fact that he used effects to help tell his story, which is a rare thing, especially in amateur movies.

and, Tarn, you can't call this effects.
Of course I can. They are special effects. What else would you like me to call them?

Ofcourse the few scenes with compositing was nice, but this aint something you could not have done with another program. For Instance Adobe Premier or Pinnacle Licuid.
So? I don't really care what programs Andreas used to do the effects, just as I don't really care what camera he used, where he bought the bedsheets or what kind of paint was used on the set. What's important to me is the finished product.

Our products aren't designed only to do stuff you can't do with other products - they're designed to be general purpose effects tools.

I'm afraid none of your points really make any sense, Janco. smile
Posted: Mon, 19th Jun 2006, 2:27pm

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Nicely said! smile
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Just watched it.

First I have to say, You really have grown up in film making, I remember the early days.

I was expecting to see a cut at the start, but then noticed as it went on the acting was was great as there was no cuts until the girl jumped on him.
I know how hard it is to get girls in a film, so well done for that.

I liked it, would have been nice to see a lightsaber somewhere wink
top marks.
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Andreas has no problems gettings girls on film...

wink
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And Swedish girls at that... wink
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Fantastic Stuff!

Top 5 material, this story was simple yet drew me in. Good use of effects unlike Janco I appreciate the finer subtleties of effect work, a simple grade a blur and some filtering is all the film needed to work so that’s all you used... well done.

I will say though, had I made this story I would have shot it differently to allow for some time laps and more cutting room material. However a different view is always good. After watching it I felt happy, and I sat back and thought "how would I have shot this", some would see that as a failure of the original. But no... the fact lie is that the majority of films on this site I wouldn’t want to have directed, but this one serves as a credit to your names.

Well Done! 4/5 and a spot on my top 5!
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Thanks Syro! I guess this is one of those movies I actually thought through before shooting it, how'd I wanted to approch scenes and doing it more as a teather-setup then hollywood, which ment longer takes, simplier angles (looks simple, but shooting bird angle is not easy in such a small room). Still I had alot of material, shooting everything in master-closeup-closeup, I still chose to go with my original plans in the editing.

Thanks for the last comment, it means alot and brought a big fat smile to my face and will keep me happy till Sweden-England tonight! smile
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Good work. Simple story. Well executed.
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Amnesia was a lot better than most of the films on this site.
It was definitely "new" and therefore refreshing.
But i don't know if it was poor writing or poor acting, but the dialouge really felt stiff and monotone. The girl was pretty ok in her part.
The guy, however, made me look for the mutebutton. Having it play all silent enhanced the realism. Imagine that. Well, well...

The story of a boy and a girl is always worth doing.

Will your next project be a lovestory too?
It would be interesting to see how you vision other genres.

G'luck.
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Defeto wrote:

The guy, however, made me look for the mutebutton. Having it play all silent enhanced the realism. Imagine that. Well, well...

Will your next project be a lovestory too?
It would be interesting to see how you vision other genres.

G'luck.
Yeah, he does pretty well in comedy, drama was a bit over his leauge. unsure

I've done action in the past, and It's as fun as doing a dialogue movie, and I love post-production but I hate writing it and It's so not me, personally.

So yes, next one will probably be a lovestory but with less drama and love but more comedy and sex.

Thanks for your comments guys.
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Zephlon wrote:

Janco I wouldn’t say that they are simple effects. CORRECT composite’s take a lot of talent. You have to match the color to make the movie have the right feel, to make it fit in with the music, and to make it all flow.
First of all, its in Black and White. So color correcting should not be necessary. Second I do not see how compositing in this movie has anything to do with "the music and the flow of the movie", becuase that is all about editing, not compositing.

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You seem to have an utterly bizarre attitude towards special effects.

So, to your mind a special effects is only good if:

1. Lots and lots of time is spent on it.

2. It is hugely complex.

I, on the other hand consider a special effect to be good if:

1. It is convincing.

2. It supports/enhances the storytelling.

No I think, as you, that effects are good when they are convincing and when they support the storytelling. But on the other hand, my point was that these are simple effects.

Ofcourse, this movie does not need any better or more complex effects. And it also shows that the products of FXhome can be usefull in most type of movies. Not only those with lot of action. (so I did, earlier, express myself in kind of a wrong way) But I do not feel that it is impressive that somone have used an fxhome product in a movie without action. Its not impressive that someone makes a drama instead of an action movie. But yet, it seems to me, that you adore this movie, because of that.

You know, most amatures who do not know of this site, nor these progams, do not have the oportunety to make an effects driven movie. Therefore, their movies are driven by the story, as this one is. That may be the reason why I do not feel that the subtle use of effects in this story is impressive.
Posted: Wed, 21st Jun 2006, 3:08pm

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Janco wrote:

Its not impressive that someone makes a drama instead of an action movie.
...
You know, most amatures who do not know of this site, nor these progams, do not have the oportunety to make an effects driven movie. Therefore, their movies are driven by the story, as this one is.
Dude... I don't even know what to say to that statement... No offense to action movies, but being able to cinematically tell a convincing story that conveys character and emotion is much more challenging than just slapping some muzzle flashes onto a scene! unsure
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Janco wrote:


Ofcourse, this movie does not need any better or more complex effects. And it also shows that the products of FXhome can be usefull in most type of movies. Not only those with lot of action. (so I did, earlier, express myself in kind of a wrong way) But I do not feel that it is impressive that somone have used an fxhome product in a movie without action. Its not impressive that someone makes a drama instead of an action movie. But yet, it seems to me, that you adore this movie, because of that.

You know, most amatures who do not know of this site, nor these progams, do not have the oportunety to make an effects driven movie. Therefore, their movies are driven by the story, as this one is. That may be the reason why I do not feel that the subtle use of effects in this story is impressive.
Tarn previosuly said you have a utterly bizarre attitude towards special effects, and not only that but you have a pretty bizarre look on films overall.

It sounds to me like all people here should do OTP effect-movies with explotions. I don't really see why this argue even exist. This isn't an effect-movie and I don't try to sell it as one. I used VisionLab to do things that were over my budget, therefore the effects supports my script not the other way around which is the usual way around here.

Simply I don't get why you have to argue with this effects being easy, be my guest and duplicate them from the beggining and you'll see that I actually spent some time with lightning etc. and no-one here have said that these special effects aren't hard to do. Just that they support the film as effects do.
Why don't you argue with that the story is simple? It's bassicly the same thing. Just because it's easy dosen't mean it's bad, more the other way around.
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When you are watching a movie which is completely SFX driven, such as a Star Wars film or King Kong or a film where you're blowing up people with C4, there is simply no getting around the SFX and you will often rate the overall quality of the film, in large part, on how well they are done. This is because, in the real world, we all know that we haven't invented the light saber yet, there are no 50 foot tall gorillas available with SAG cards, and it is still sadly illegal to wrap your annoying production assistant up in det cord if the coffee is cold every morning and blow him up for a realistic explosion shot. biggrin

However, for "real world" films, depicting things which actually can and do happen around us in our normal lives, I think that's where SFX takes a different turn and how you judge it becomes something else entirely. In a film like that (taking Andre's as an excellent example) the truly good SFX are the ones where you not only don't make a big point of it, but you don't even notice that it was happening. Everything flows naturally as part of the story, even if the reality on the set was that you could never capture a shot on film that looked that way for real. You shouldn't have to "suspend disbelief" for a film like that, and the best SFX use wont' cause you to do so.

Or something.
Posted: Thu, 22nd Jun 2006, 1:56am

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OK, enough is enough...

You guys do not seem to understand me at all.

This is how I see it: To make a good effects driven movie that truly works, is very, very difficult. Very few, maybe no one, at this site, have managed that totaly. Making a "good working" drama is a whole of a lot easier - ofcourse not in Hollywood, but for us amatures. When I evaluate a movie, I want the effects to be realistic, the story to be good, etc. But to make a story seem good and make great action sequences at the same time and make good characters - that is truly dificult. (Even Holywood have problems with that) So to espect that amatures, such as most people at this site, are able to make as good working action movies as they are (if they want) to make good working dramas, is just stupid. (In a good amature action movie, you need all the ingrediences of a drama + the realistic effects and action).

Here is an example:

There is a music video (warning sign), at this site, that got truly good ratings beacuse of a suprising ending. But most of the time, the main character just walked around in a school looking at posters (which meant sence in the ending.) (Good story? - well I propably know a 100 people at my school that could have written it better) The reason why Amnesia and the musicvideo is rated this high, is not because they are much better than most movies at this site. Its because they are done in a different way, where the focus is on the story (drama) and not the action and effects. But why does that make them better? You can't say that a drama is better than an action movie, because the story was better, not when you are evaluating amatures. That would be totaly unfair.

In other words: it feels like you have to make a drama, to get credit for it. And this is kind of what I want to say. I think many effect driven movies at this site, should have been given more credit, because of their achievement.

Second: about me trying to tell that the effects in Amnesia were simple. I wanted to tell you guys that, hey: this is not so impressive as you want it to be. I have now tried to explain why.

(And if you do not agree with me now either, please tell me about it in a more polite way than before, because I do not think you guys have been respecting my opinions very much.)


Alpha 54 said: "Dude... I don't even know what to say to that statement... No offense to action movies, but being able to cinematically tell a convincing story that conveys character and emotion is much more challenging than just slapping some muzzle flashes onto a scene!"

I was never talking about short movie clips, I was talking about short films, and movies. And to acctually make a action sequence/movie work, that is just as hard as making a drama sequence/movie work. (and for us, it is even harder). Why do you think there are so many dramas top rated, when most movies at this site is basicly action movies. (Is it because those who make action movies, is not as good filmmakers - I do not think so).
Posted: Thu, 22nd Jun 2006, 3:53am

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To Janco

If it's worth anything, I agree with you Janco. Dramas do get somewhat overrated on FXHome. Not that that's particularly a hugely bad thing, but it's mostly true.

I especially agree with the comment about Warning Sign and the parallel between an effects-driven movie. Warning Sign is a bunch of walking, then a compelling ending, whereas an effects-action movie may have to be intense and well done for the whole movie. Again, not saying Warning Sign is bad or anything, but in that case, it might be an easier job for Warning Sign to get a higher rating than an effects-driven movie, because the effects movie simply takes more work. This exact thing happened on Cover's Story when it won first. The third place winner was a friend of mine, and he was mad because he had set up an expensive light kit wherever he went, and spent time getting a hospital to film in, and got proper props and older actors, and edited it in a linear, explanatory fashion; whereas in Cover's Story we just filmed one main actor in our neighborhood, and did edited in a fragmented, ambiguous way. We had an easier job with filming (local) and editing (non-linear) and we won. Fair? Yes, because that's what we chose to do.

If anything, Janco, this'll teach you that by choosing perhaps the easier job- shooting straight up drama with no fancy effects or dolly shots, or anything glitzy- you are choosing a quicker route to success.

To Andreas
As for this movie, I liked it, it was solid, but I wasn't a fan of how simplistic the cinematography was. It reminded me of a few avate-garde clips I'd seen before, and that left wme with a bit of a bad feeling. The editing was solid, and good as well. The story was a bit predictable and a little boring, but I get where you were going with it, and I hope you got what you wanted out of "Amnesia".

Altogether, roughly a 3.5/5 because I didn't really like it too much, but that rounds up to a 4/5, so that's what I'll leave you with.

Good job, my friend, good job. (though you did sound a little pretentious with your "WARNING: this has no action scenes, etc... biggrin )
Posted: Thu, 22nd Jun 2006, 6:59am

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Janco - I understand your points, but I think you are underestimating how difficult it is to create an effective drama scene. There are many movies here at FXhome.com that have kick-ass action and visual effects, but very few have succeeded at pulling off effective drama.

Contrary to your opinion, I would say that when dealing with amateur actors and writers, effective drama is the most difficult thing you can attempt. Both action and drama require filmmaking technique and skill, but drama requires extra elements such as quality acting and dialogue that are quite difficult to teach or learn.

Not that I'm saying action is easy, far from it. But on an amateur level, an amateur action sequence is generally far more watchable than an amateur dramatic sequence. Amateur drama can often be entirely impossible to watch without wanting to gouge your eyes out, which is probably why Amnesia has impressed - for most people, it's compelling and interesting throughout, despite relying entirely on its dialogue and acting.

With regards to 'non action' movies such as Warning Sign and Amnesia being highly regarded at FXhome.com, I think that's inevitable. When 99% of movie submissions are action-based, usually with either lightsabers or guns, something that takes a different approach is always going to grab people's attention.

I still stand by both films. Warning Sign is one of my favourites, not because "it's something different", but because I think it is genuinely high quality filmmaking. Sure, if you analyse it on a bland, objective level, it's "just a guy walking around", but that's hardly the point - it's all about context. That context is given by the song and the cinematography, as well as the acting style, and the little subliminal hints that something is wrong, which is what makes it compelling. It's about creating a particular feeling and emotion. If it came across as just a guy walking around, I'd suggest you either weren't quite paying attention, or it's simply 'not your kinda thing'. smile

What I'm getting at is that, despite them being different and refreshing, if they weren't also quality bits of filmmaking they wouldn't be highly rated.
Posted: Thu, 22nd Jun 2006, 11:16am

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Tarn wrote:

Contrary to your opinion, I would say that when dealing with amateur actors and writers, effective drama is the most difficult thing you can attempt. Both action and drama require filmmaking technique and skill, but drama requires extra elements such as quality acting and dialogue that are quite difficult to teach or learn.
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What I'm getting at is that, despite them being different and refreshing, if they weren't also quality bits of filmmaking they wouldn't be highly rated.
Very nice post, and I very strongly agree! smile
Posted: Thu, 22nd Jun 2006, 11:10pm

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I liked it.

My notes:
-the sound was ropey
-the subtitles need work
-the camera/lighting is very good, although I thought the camera/lighting in the hospital was a bit patchy
-the acting was good
-It does remind me a little of the nouvelle vague genre (Jules et Jim, A Bout De Souffle)
-it's the best work I've seen in here to date

I gave it 4 instead of 5, however, as there's (always) room for improvement.


I've read the comments about drama v action, and drama is undoubtedly more difficult. Granted, pulling off special effects and stunts is more difficult for amateur filmmakers than for professionals (money being the main reason), but the action of a film can mask poor acting.
Take Arnold Schwarzenegger for example. He's not a great actor, and not really even a good actor, although he's better than he used to be. Pretty much all of his films are action (or slapstick comedy, as that's pretty physical), and when he doesn't stick to that, he sucks.
Then take Michael Caine, who is (arguably) a great actor. He's done action and drama equally well, because he has the versatility for the drama, and the action pretty much takes care of itself.
I could do the same with Directors (Stanley Kubrick vs Paul Verhoeven) but I've rambled on enough. The point is that action can hide (to a certain extent) behind its own spectacle, and drama can't. To sum up; what Tarn said. razz

One last thing - Sigur Rós!! Good choice! biggrin
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video doen'st works on my quicktime player does somebody know why ??
Posted: Mon, 26th Jun 2006, 8:59pm

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Andreas wrote:

So yes, next one will probably be a lovestory but with less drama and love but more comedy and sex.
Actually really looking forward to that one mate - after seeing this, I'm sure you'll be able to pull it off with some style! smile
Posted: Tue, 27th Jun 2006, 9:59pm

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alpha54 wrote:

Actually really looking forward to that one mate - after seeing this, I'm sure you'll be able to pull it off with some style! smile
Yeah, I got a few ideas running but it's not gonna be for a while.

Levity wrote:

video doen'st works on my quicktime player does somebody know why ??
Yeah, you probably need Quicktime 7 since its encoded with H.264

CurtinParloe wrote:

I liked it.
-It does remind me a little of the nouvelle vague genre (Jules et Jim, A Bout De Souffle)
-it's the best work I've seen in here to date

-I gave it 4 instead of 5, however, as there's (always) room for improvement.

One last thing - Sigur Rós!! Good choice! biggrin
-Haven't seen those, I'm always open for some foreign films so I'll defintely look out for them.

-Wow, you're crazy. but thank you.

-Yes, it does need some patching overall. Honest vote, same as I would've I think.

- Yeah, he's great. recentely played in Stockholm but missed out on it, too bad! sad

Thanks for the kind comments, and thanks for watching it! smile
Posted: Sat, 1st Jul 2006, 3:34am

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Looks like a very good drama.

With the tools here at FXhome I have found it
is easy to make lightning bolts shoot out of a persons arms.
Action while not easy is not as hard as good
dramatical acting.

Tarn is right on the money when he stated that fact.
Actors might look great doing all the action stunts.
But you need them to have that hard to grasp
quality. Good acting can make or break any movie.

To make matters worse many really bad actors think they are
really good.

Are really good movies remembered more for the acting
or the special effects?
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What program or software did you use to make that cover. I like it a lot and I need something I can make a good poster for my movie with.
Posted: Mon, 7th Jul 2008, 5:13am

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Most likely Adobe Photoshop. A free alternative is the GIMP, though it's not as complex/good.
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Thanks, ill give it a shot.
Posted: Mon, 7th Jul 2008, 11:48am

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Hey! Look what topic that is alive!
As Ben said, Photoshop, even though I'm not sure what cover you're talking about.