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Divinity Teaser

Posted: Thu, 22nd Jun 2006, 9:35am

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The teaser trailer for our latest movie, X3i: Divinity

Hope you all enjoy!


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Posted: Thu, 22nd Jun 2006, 9:39am

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I like it! Some great shots in here, the general look of the movie is slick.

While it's obviously difficult to tell from this teaser, the acting looks to be considerably improved over the previous episodic entries - did the feature film format afford you more time to work with the cast? The effects also seem to be on another level, with far more detail and imagination put into them.

I've always felt the X3i series was full of potential that it never quite realised, so I'm really hoping that the movie fixes all the issues and really lets the story and action mesh together.

Looking forward to this one, guys. smile
Posted: Thu, 22nd Jun 2006, 10:14am

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This does indeed look rather good. Previous incarnations of X3i have been undermined by poor/samey locations and questionable acting. Both of these would appear to be addressed in this teaser, so i'm hoping the rest of the film follows suit.

The latter quarter did feel a little over-saturated with effects though, both in terms of screen time and screen percentage, which suddenly made the entire trailer feel a lot more shallow. There was still some good stuff in there though. The effects shot worth a mention would be the guy being hit with the expanding staff (or whatever it is) - the other effects were nothing new to me.

My other gripe is the overabundance of shots of people pouting, looking mean and general melodrama etc.

Acting purely through facial expression is no doubt one of the hardest things to master and It should be no surprise when i say your actors don't seem to have mastered it. Its no biggy though - its just part of the learning curve. Fair dos etc. The problem, however, is that you're relying on so many of those shots to set mood. Since their acting skills make those shots only semi-believable, its quite a struggle as a viewer to get involved and feel absorbed. Some of the shots are even a little funny.

I know for a fact I couldn't act any better, so I respect your actors tremendously, but you've still got to accept your own limitations. I think too many of these shots were done without really considering if you have the collective talent to make them work. Ambition is great so long as it isn't blind, deaf, dumb and mute.

Related to this is the continued reliance on makeup on several characters. Part of the problem is that it seems out of place - is it a tattoo? is it alien? what is it? And why are they dressed like any other random schmo, when they're clearly something special? I think proper 'costumes' would probably make the more unique characters more convincing. The makeup is fine in principal, but without the charisma of the actor or character coming through clearly, the required suspension of disbelief needed to accept their makeup is harder and harder to achieve.

Getting all your viewers to that point of suspension, is where an amateur film becomes professional, in my opinion. A trailer only gives you a short amount of time to achieve this, but there are other ways to get the same effect that don't rely on static shots of people gurning into a camera.

Having said all this, I still await the full movie with baited breath.

ps: why do i recognise this guy?

Posted: Thu, 22nd Jun 2006, 5:16pm

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Xcesssion: The guy you have a circle around is my brother. Aaron Epstein. He was "Quinn" in Daywalker (not pyro in Xmen, ha).

-AJ

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Posted: Thu, 22nd Jun 2006, 5:22pm

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Very nice! Saw it on TF.N when you posted it.
Posted: Thu, 22nd Jun 2006, 5:34pm

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Good Stuff!
Posted: Thu, 22nd Jun 2006, 5:36pm

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Looks tight dude, really anticipating the final film now! biggrin
Posted: Thu, 22nd Jun 2006, 5:38pm

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Just watched the trailer and it looks great. Can't wait to see the finished product.
Posted: Thu, 22nd Jun 2006, 6:06pm

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It looks pretty OK, but the soundeffects for the fistfights were kinda off.
They sounded too fake. BUT HEY, maybe that's what you wanted...
Posted: Thu, 22nd Jun 2006, 7:25pm

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On an unrelated side note that I can't help but mention: Chris has been met with quite a bit of opposition from the start of X3i including standoffishness, and unecessary red tape from the already established "filmmakers" affiliated with the other student TV programs on campus. (if you want to see a small but visible example of what I mean, notice how they don't even mention X3i on their website even though it's certainly a "Major" show on the student airwaves in Columbus right now) Anyway - my hat is off to the man for masterminding his first feature film despite all of the odds against it. Look forward to helping out in post on X3i while shooting our next feature film when I come back in July dude. Going to be a blast. No pun intended.

-AJ
Posted: Thu, 22nd Jun 2006, 8:10pm

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Hey thanks guys for takin the time to check this out, not to mention for a lot of the positive comments.

Tarn: Yeah man, I believe the acting in this movie is going to be a step up from what you all viewed in the series. It may have took awhile for some of the non actors but they are finally understanding and becoming their characters... But about X3i's full potential.. I dont think we'll see that until we actually have money/budget haha. We're definately planning on it tho, if not X3i, then another Sci-Fi based medium to release our ideas that we've had in out minds for quite sometime. Someday hopefully!

Xcession: Yes, me and the writer were talking about locations the other day and noticed that they are alot better in this movie as well ha. And you guys havent even seen half the location just yet... (or cast for that matter).

About the looks on camera though, this was all intentional. I personally dont like a lot of trailers when everytime they show somebody, they have to be delivering a line. I find it to be pretty corny. Has nothing to do with me not trusting their acting or anything like that, its just basically, this is a teaser and its just one of my personally preferences.

The tattoos are explained in the film, they are needed, has nothing to do with "reliance" ha (u cant try and fig out everything just yet man hah). Also, you dont know who alot of these people are. Alot of people are dressed as they should be. X3i (the actual team) is about personal style, you dont need a full on leather suit.. cuz i mean.. whats it going to do? Most everyone else you see are sort of "underground" type characters, so they wouldnt 1.) Have the money to dress occordingly 2.) Wouldnt want to anyways because it would draw attention to themselves.

You judge too quickly on what you do not understand my friend ha. (and also what you should not understand yet)

Defeto: I dont know why the sound seems to be off. Its not off in my version.. hmm..

Serp, Garrison, Alpha, Knight - Thanks to you all as well

And ofcourse, much appreciation to AJ because hes a def reason that some of the cool shots look the way they do in this teaser.
Posted: Thu, 22nd Jun 2006, 8:33pm

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Nice, what type of camera did you use.
Posted: Thu, 22nd Jun 2006, 9:17pm

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One thing I forgot to mention is that the dialogue voiceover was quite difficult to understand, it seemed rather quiet compared to the music/ambience, and the echo effect didn't help. Might want to boost it up and make it a little clearer for people?
Posted: Thu, 22nd Jun 2006, 9:42pm

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Thanks Tarn, I was wondering this myself but I waiting on someone to actually bring it up. I'll get on that now.

EDIT: Gman - Thanks, we used a Panasonic DVX-100a.
Posted: Thu, 22nd Jun 2006, 11:16pm

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Very good teaser. It look like you improved it all from X3I.. Even if X3I was very good already.

Can't wait to see more.

Shadu
Posted: Fri, 23rd Jun 2006, 12:00am

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I hate how the stupid page goes down if u even upload to the same link name.. hah.. Anyways, I guess it'll be back up 2morro.

Thanks btw Shadu
Posted: Fri, 23rd Jun 2006, 12:05am

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Hey CX3

It's great to see a new X3I on FXHome, even if it's a movie trailer. But it looks fantastic. It got me watching the past X3I episodes at I downloaded. And I see why, I love this show.

I can't wait to see the finish movie. After being a little disappointed in the way the X-men movie ended, we'll need a good comic-book style movie to bring us out in the dumps... X3I-Divinity may do the trick.

But, I'm confused about a few things here? Is the movie taking place after X3I-episodes 4 ended? Or is there more charpters in this sage that leads up to the movie?

Keep up the cool work, CX3

Marc-4-Def
Posted: Fri, 23rd Jun 2006, 9:38am

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Fair do's about judging too quickly. I'll hold up my hands to that, but you're using it to laugh off all the issues i raised. I was hoping to create a little more debate other than a nervous "ha, you don't get it. ha".

For instance you've taken my 'costumes' thing a little too literally - what i meant was "decent wardrobe design". I'm not talking bizarre one-pieces by Jean-Paul Gaultier, i'm just saying that somewhat futuristic films involving special powers and psychics etc don't go hand-in-hand with plain mens t-shirts from K-mart.

Similarly the tattoo thing, I was quick to judge but the point still stands - A character exhuberant enough to have that kind of tattoo is someone who could do with better costume design, if simply for the sake of lending the film some kind of style. From that trailer I can tell it has plenty of panache and flair, but would appear to have little style. With me at least, the conflicting mixture of charismatic makeup and oddly ordinary actors isn't working as you intended and obviously in a cinema of hundreds wouldn't be the only person.

A teaser's purpose is to give the audience something to get their teeth into, but leave them wondering, intrigued, with more questions than answers. None of those questions ought to be about the production values though. One question i was left with was "did they forget to give that character an appropriate wardrobe?" not "ahhh, that character is obviously the 'underground' one, i can tell that from his clothing...i wonder what its all about!!?".

If you're desparate to avoid a 'talking heads' trailer, its vital you intrigue your audience by other means. 4 ordinary looking people on non-descript backgrounds, looking a little miffed, or perhaps confused, i couldn't tell.... does little to create that interest.

I see where you're coming from on the "personal preference" thing, but its seems its the common factor on all the points above: you can't always go with what you want to do. The point of professionalism in any production industry, is being able to say "i want to do X, but only Y works". In this case "ok, i really want to do a teaser where people aren't just talking heads, but i must concede, these stills of people pouting/grunting do look a little silly."

I'm being this criticising and anal because you're at the stage where its necessary: theres little else to improve. This film looks excellent so its worth pointing out the home truths to improve the next production you do.
Posted: Fri, 23rd Jun 2006, 9:47am

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Xcession wrote:

If you're desparate to avoid a 'talking heads' trailer, its vital you intrigue your audience by other means. 4 ordinary looking people on non-descript backgrounds, looking a little miffed, or perhaps confused, i couldn't tell.... does little to create that interest.
I'd agree with this - I'm not a fan of the "heads turning dramatically towards camera" trailer technique, generally.

The one occasion it can work well is with sequels. For example, the Return of the King trailer had several shots of "character turning the heads dramatically", while looking concerned/afraid/serious/etc. That worked because I was already invested in the characters, so seeing Gandalf clearly crapping himself or Sam having a panic raised loads of questions about where the story was going. If I hadn't seen the previous two films, however, those bits wouldn't have any resonance.

Now, you could say that this is a sequel to the episodic show you've done so far. However, I imagine you're hoping for the movie to reach a wider audience, most of whom won't have watched the show - even people that have watched the show are likely to have had a sizeable time gap between that and the release of this trailer.

With characters that have yet to be fully established, the 'turning heads' technique is a risky proposition, as it doesn't have any context - implied or otherwise. We don't know what these guys are turning to look at, so it just ends up being an actor turning his head. Without context or a vague story framework, it's hard for it to work. Of course, you know the story intimately, so I imagine each of these head turns has major relevance when you watch: but remember that people watching the teaser won't necessarily know anything about it.

I see where you're coming from on the "personal preference" thing, but its seems its the common factor on all the points above: you can't always go with what you want to do. The point of professionalism in any production industry, is being able to say "i want to do X, but only Y works".
I'd say that's half-true. In the full movie, you need to follow your own artistic/stylistic vision, otherwise there's not much point in making it. In the case of the feature, you have an hour and a half (give or take) to convince the audience of your own approach.

A teaser, however, needs to almost 'trick' the audience into giving the feature a chance. Therefore, it's far more important to consider the audience at that point rather than your own tastes. Once you've hooked 'em with a good, mainstream teaser, then you can go your own route for the feature, safe in the knowledge that they're already interested and will give your eccentricities a chance.
Posted: Fri, 23rd Jun 2006, 10:49am

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In the full movie, you need to follow your own artistic/stylistic vision, otherwise there's not much point in making it.
For that, it still needs to "work". Which in this case, I agree with xcession, it doesn't. sad

Making what you want is okay, but making what you want work the way you want it to, that's another issue. As I have said in other threads, as soon as you have to explain to your audience what your intentions were, your film has basically failed. As it should tell that by itself.


I'll admit I haven't watched all episodes of your show, as I felt it had some lose ends here and there and it couldn't keep me interested long enough to watch through it entirely.

This Teaser however does have some promising elements and I am interested in the final product. So on that level, it has done it's job. smile
However, I am mostly interested in it because I know you, think you have talent and see some possibly interesting stuff in the teaser. It's an ambitious project and I respect that a lot, since I know very well how difficult this is. So in my book, you and your team are on top of the "cool dudes" book, simply because you dare trying to pull something like that off against all odds. smile


Still, on a purely consumer level, this feels like it wasn't as much as it could have been.
As I said above, I think the acting level doesn't support the drama the rest of the film tries to achieve. The slow "dramatic head turns" were mostly difficult to "decode", if you will. I couldn't really tell if that facial expression was anger, panic, sadness. It wasn't clear enough.
There were even some slightly funny moments (the "how do you try to stop me part. The look he gives the other guy after he stops him had a somewhat funny "But I love you!" written all over it for me, which I'm sure wasn't the intended subtext)

The whole "fan" effect with the blowing hair was great though, a nice little detail that made all the difference! I loved that. I wish, there was always such an attention to detail throughout, then this would have been amazing.

Also the voices... I know, the voiceover guy at the beginning obviously has that voice... but I felt let down. It made no impact on me, it was simply not impressive enough. Not the way he said it, but simply his voice. As some actors don't have to face for certain roles, some don't have the voices. And I felt this voice fell flat and immedeatly let down the whole trailer already at the start (maybe you could try to fiddle with the bass frequences a bit, whatever audio app you use. Try make the voice sond more "full", if you know what I mean.)

The Action part at the end was cool and had some very creative use of effects (The "slap dude with stick againat a wall shot" was brilliant, I really really digged that one!) smile

And yes, then there's the costumes. I completely agree with xcession. A character is sold by his costume as much as by his face, his voice, his lines etc... That's why film is all about typecasting. I need to be able to look at a character and tell immedeately, who he is / where he belongs to / how strong he is etc.
The bad guy in a film can't just be bad, he also needs to LOOK bad just by the way he's dressed, moves, looks. And that was a bit of a letdown in this Trailer.

This is something I often see in amateur productions and is in my opinion, as xcession has already correctly said, where one of the differences between amateurs and professionals lie. The attention to details.
A "costume" doesn't only refer to fancy capes or armor, but also to "normal" clothes. That's a costume, that has to portray your character in the way you want him to be seen by the audience.
If your script says "wears normal every day clothes", that DOESN'T mean you can wear anything. In fact, you have to think very hard about WHAT type of every day clothes one should wear. Be aware of stereotypes people immedeately use. You can't have Hannibal Lecter wear a pink panda T-Shirt, even if he COULD be wearing one, as it would ultimately impact the view your audience has of that character.
People comunicate through their clothes.

So with that argument, I agree that the costumework was a letdown for many of the characters, even if you say "Alot of people are dressed as they should be. X3i (the actual team) is about personal style, you dont need a full on leather suit.. cuz i mean.. whats it going to do?". I believe that's missing the point.

And in a Teaser, it's your job to define the characters clearly, in a short period of time - even if they may be more complex in the final film, but the Teaser/Trailer needs to work on it's own. The whole "you don't understand cause in the movie it's all different etc" stuff doesn't matter a slight bit, as this is not the movie, it's a Teaser. It needs to work without the movie.

But then again, I know how difficult it is to edit a Teaser/Trailer. You always feel the Trailer doesn't show this, doesn't show that, gives a wrong impression, gives no impression etc... I know that. smile
But in the end, you have to filter all information you WANT to get across very cleary, then MAKE them work very clearly, and get rid of everything else.


I hope I wasn't too harsh. Same as xcession, I believe you have talent and so I think you should start to be aware of those things and use those elements. I think you sell yourself short because of many little things, that could be corrected without much of a hassle.

I wish you all the best luck with your project and I'm looking forward to seeing a Trailer sometime and of course, the final film, if it's going to be available in any way soon! And don't give up, even if random "established filmmakers affiliated with the other student TV programs on campus" stand against you. In the end, you can wipe their a*** away. wink
Posted: Fri, 23rd Jun 2006, 8:06pm

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With characters that have yet to be fully established, the 'turning heads' technique is a risky proposition, as it doesn't have any context - implied or otherwise. We don't know what these guys are turning to look at, so it just ends up being an actor turning his head. Without context or a vague story framework, it's hard for it to work. Of course, you know the story intimately, so I imagine each of these head turns has major relevance when you watch: but remember that people watching the teaser won't necessarily know anything about it.
This is true tarn, the people wont know exactly what the facial expressions and looks towards the cameras mean but thats because I dont want you to yet ha. Its only a teaser, in the final trailer obviously it would be laid out to where you see and know the story, to some extent without giving away the ending.

As I have said in other threads, as soon as you have to explain to your audience what your intentions were, your film has basically failed. As it should tell that by itself.
Sollthar, you are the man and u know that I have nothin but respect for what you do. Buuuuut... when it comes to that claim, its a little off hah. When I see trailers all the time in theatres (and im sure this holds for everyone) I always have questions of why this is the way it is or what is going on exactly? Who is that in that shot? Why are they with him or her? The list could go on... But, you cant hop on a forum and ask that filmmaker questions like these.. and if you could, and he responded, by your rationale -- "then his film has failed" haha. Had I not taken the time to respond to any of you alls posts, would that mean that my film hasnt failed yet? I'm just not understanding the reasoning behind that claim.

The only thing it does is ensure the filmmaker to look like a jackass when someone has a question or comment and the filmmaker tries to clear it up for them hah.

I like everything else that you have said though, even the criticisms. Its just that saying that kinda gets under my skin.

Fair do's about judging too quickly. I'll hold up my hands to that, but you're using it to laugh off all the issues i raised. I was hoping to create a little more debate other than a nervous "ha, you don't get it. ha".
What exactly did you want to debate about though? And if we did debate I really wouldnt have felt like going back and forth because its kind of mind tiring and I have alot of my plate as it is. (Besides, if I did that my film would fail even more wink )

Dont think that I'm mad or typing this while mashing the keyboard with my eyebrows down and gritting my teeth cuz I'm not ha. I'm just saying what I feel. You know I dont have anything against anyone on these boards. As to the questions/comments, all I can really say is that I will always take them with me when I venture into my next film (which will have MANY more professional teqniques used in them, because I wont have to worry about school anymore and the pressures of stupid class ha). If there is something that people dont like in this, especially costume wise, there isnt much I can do about it now confused and I'm not gonna try to explain why it is that way in the film because I have already done that so it would just be a waste of peoples time and space.

Anyways, thank you guys though for your long detailed responses though, seriously. I know you wouldnt have wasted your time doing them if you guys really didnt believe in what the film could be -- or in me. smile
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I always have questions of why this is the way it is or what is going on exactly? Who is that in that shot? Why are they with him or her? The list could go on... ...... I'm just not understanding the reasoning behind that claim.
You've missed the point somewhat. When you go a cinema and leave with more questions than answers, its because the plot fed you tiny snippets of information that aroused your interest.

What sollthar is saying is that your teaser cannot feed anyone anything because its flawed in its delivery of that information. Hes not questioning the fact that he doesn't understand whats going on, hes stating the fact that your teaser has failed to feed him anything, leaving him with no unanswered questions and no intrigue - things a good teaser should provide, as you illustrated.

We give up our time and opinions because we believe you'll listen to our ideas, dignify them with a proper response and actually apply them the next time round, having learnt something new. Thats all we ask. Glad to be of service smile
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I know you wouldnt have wasted your time doing them if you guys really didnt believe in what the film could be -- or in me.
Right you are! wink
When I look at this, I see talent. That's why I wrote so much.


When it comes to that claim, its a little off hah.
I think you didn't understand what I wanted to say, let me explain:
Obviously you have questions after watching a trailer. Questions you want the answer to, that's the reason you're going to see a film - if the trailer worked. So every good Trailer leaves me with some questions.

Though, there are "good" and "bad" questions a trailer or film can leave you with. Bad questions would be anything that question the filmmaking layer - as for example the question "What emotion was that I just saw on this actors face?" instead of "Why is this person sad/angry?".

First question doesn't get me interested in the film, it makes me wonder why someone chose that shot for a trailer in the first place. Why this was badly acted etc.
The second question is fine, because it makes me interested in the film.

It's okay when I KNOW that a trailer wants me to feel confused, since it's part of a story. It's not okay when I'm simply confused about what the trailer wants me to feel.
It's okay when a trailer clearly doesn't want to tell me a certain piece of info. It's not okay, if I'm unsure what the trailer want's to tell me.
You see the difference?


All the questions you mentioned as an example are not what I am talking about. They're good questions. And the trailer explains clearly "You have to see the movie to get that info".
As opposed to me thinking WTF? and the filmmaker saying "Well, that's not supposed to make sense, you have to see the film"


Hm, this is difficult to explain, I start to feel the limits of english not being my native language. Maybe it's more clear to you, maybe not.


My statement stands though, even if it's phrased well harsh: If a piece of filmmaking has to be explained by the filmmaker, it has failed on that level.
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ic ic, well, anyways because it takes a while for this stuff to update and stuff -- You all can download the file directly at this link.. 5.7MB

http://cobraproductions.filmspace.biz/dts.mov
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This movie is going to be fantastic! I can tell you put alot of hard work into this, great job.
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Amazing , this really going to be a great film , but how u guys collect are u guys a real movie crew or just ?? if u know what i mean..
Posted: Mon, 26th Jun 2006, 12:16am

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Hi there,

Just saw the trailer, looks very promising. Very nice lighting and good acting as well. Looking forward to seeing the film.

Cheers,
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Heh, the more I read that post above, the less I can make of it...


On a sidenote, I think it's a bit of a letdown you shrug off the rather long and indepth points by xcession and me with
ic ic, well, anyways
If you're not really interested in the opinions of others or a debate, then why do you post your work here?

I can make my comments shorter if you wish... smile
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that was so freaken cool. every thing was good no complaints. cool
Posted: Mon, 26th Jun 2006, 7:54pm

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Nah man, its not even like that.. I guess you have to know me. I understood where you were coming from so thats why I said ic ic. I say that all the time when instant messaging, it doesnt mean -- "ic ic rolleyes sleep ..." Not to mention that I just turned in a 20 page paper on "Documentaries and The Effects of Subjectivity", so writing detailed stuff was getting to me after a while.

I'm not big on debating/arguing stuff on here anymore cuz usually it just goes back and forth and back and forth and nothing really gets accomplished. People usually still stand true to what they believe in at the end. I believe in making your voice heard but once or twice is enough for me. I completely understood why you replied to explain what your statement meant and it made more sense to me right now. Maybe your statement was just worded very harshly and threw me for off a lil, i dunno. I told you all that I always take into consideration on what people say and what criticisms they make. Im serious, people can say the most weirdest thing and it will still have me thinking about it when shooting next.

I guess it just came down to a misunderstanding on both of our parts ha. I didnt understand your statement and now you didnt understand mine, I apologize.

But this point here --

If you're not really interested in the opinions of others or a debate, then why do you post your work here?
I love opinions, but do not like 6 page debates on the same topic. Mostly because.. well.. damnit I have a lot on my plate right now and things like this take me like an hour to type up correctly hah. I feel like I'm doing a book report. Reading other peoples posts, finding points, explaining my points, making sure I'm not skipping over anything, making sure its clear... blah blah blah ect... If it was summer vaca for me then yes I would have much time but I'm, working a job, working on two features (one in columbus and one in cincy), and taking my last level classes this summer and graduating in Aug, so I'm doing too many things at once. It hurts my head after a while. And that is what is starting to happen now hah. I really dont know how to end this post besides saying that im sorry for the misunderstanding. Hopefully everything is cool.

Thanks Xperiment, Lev and Sid btw for your feedback as well.

Levity -- We are a "real" low budget crew.. if that helps hah. Its kind of like a 2-3 man crew.. sounds crazy but it works for us right now ha.

Anyways, thanks all again.
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I sincerely apologize, I completely misinterpreted your statement then.
Thanks for clearing it up man! Heh, yeah, now we both have had to explain what we said. You gotta love communication. smile


Anyways, as my final word, I'll say again:


Good work on the teaser and I personally can't wait for what is to come! cool
Posted: Mon, 26th Jun 2006, 11:45pm

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Heh, cool cool, I'm glad everything is good. And thanks again man.

Also, thanks 1 dollar budget for the comments man!

... But I think fxhome hates me now because for some reason I can never keep the page up for this movie more than hours at a time... its been in the cinema for 5 days now but has only been live for not even a whole day and im not even messin with the movie management details or anything hah. I'm lost eh
Posted: Sun, 2nd Jul 2006, 3:26am

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Hey, All! This is Alex, the writer, here to say thanks for the commentary and support. Chris and I really appreciate it. I'm not going to pussyfoot here though. My intentions are to address some serious concerns with the way it seems the posts have been going. I've been a little taken back and offended.

I'm going to spare myself the quoting and saying of names and just focus on the central issues that bug me.

Costuming: I understand the concerns, but they're not practical. Budgetless here. We've done the best with our available resources and that's that. Sorry if street clothes offend anyone's sensibilities. If you want something better, send me a check. Also, the marks on characters' faces might be confusing, and I understand that. The origin of the marks was written out in the series, but, of course, that was never completed, so they remain a mystery. This might be considered a flaw to some people, but my vision for x3i wasn't compromised by the lack of an ending for the series. I HAD written that story already, and didn't have ANY desire to tell it again for the movie. The origin of the marks will be glossed. That's it.

Acting: There isn't much to be said about the acting because not much has been seen. As a writer, I can say that all of those "melodramatic" glares have their own contexts, and how much of the story Chris wants to reveal in the teaser is his business. I appreciate ALL of the comments, good and bad, but both kinds are fundamentally prejudice. I will say that a few comments were particularly rude and ignorant. "Someone" said that the look Arsyn gives Carbon has some homosexual under/overtones. Would they happen to suspect that because Arsyn is a homosexual??? I had this idea once when i was young and naive that I could introduce a character into a TV show of my own who would be a "superhero" and gay, and it wouldn't be an issue addressed with ignorance but with atristry and a literary level of appreciation for the character ASIDE from his gaiety (as it is). It seems i was wrong. Short Answer: No, not a gay look. There has never been a gay look on X3i. There will never be a gay look on X3i. That is not my vision for the movie, for the character, or for how I want relationships to be seen in the movie. My stand is for the *character* of homosexuals to be seen, not the activities. There.

Someone also made commentary on a certain character's voice. This isn't a hot button for me like the previous issue, but I'd just like to point out, again, that casting, like costuming, is a matter of resources. We don't have a lot, but if we did, I'd support our cast all the way still. My theory is that if our cast doesn't fulfill each of anyone's respective excpectations then we've also managed to avoid stereotypes. Artistically, that's a good thing. If you disagree, then we agree to disagree. If you want every "type" of character in your movies to look and sound the same as the other types, that's your choice. I'll just have no part of it.


Ok, this is the part where I'm taking my little stand on behalf of Chris, not that he needs it, to say that I think he's getting some flack that he doesn't deserve. He's busy, he's overworked and underpaid, and he has to cater to a lot of other people's wants, needs, and schedules ( including mine ) just to get this project together. I think he's wonderfully, unbelievably talented and sometimes brilliant. I think that any questions about whether or not this trailer was successful are muted by the very fact that the poeple here are talking. There's no such thing as bad publicity, they say, and there's no accounting for anyone else's personal tastes when this teaser was put together. He loved it. I loved it. It got posted so that maybe other people could love it, and we still hope they do. We're excited for the movie;we're appreciative of all of the constructive, insightful, supportive, respectful, and mature commentary; and we wish everyone the best on their future projects.

My chest feels lighter.
Thanks for indulging my rant.

~Alex
Posted: Sun, 2nd Jul 2006, 9:58am

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I didn't plan on posting again, but since one of my comments - again - seems to have been misinterpreted, I will:

I will say that a few comments were particularly rude and ignorant. "Someone" said that the look Arsyn gives Carbon has some homosexual under/overtones. Would they happen to suspect that because Arsyn is a homosexual?
That "someone" was me. And obviously, jumping on the ignorant wagon is the easiest way to go, but I have to tell you, ignorance has little to do with my comment.

So, even if Arsyn was a female, and the scene worked the same way, I would still have found it funny for the exact same reasons.
I'll explain why:

The "How do you plan to stop me?" line introduced this character as a "bad guy" to me, by the way it is acted. And the other person I interpreted as the "good guy". So when the supposedly good guy stopped Arsyn, everything made me expect a dramatic climax - but then there was this facial expression, which had this "I love you" undertone. So the expectations the acting brought up in me completely went "Wtf? heh... er... okay...".

I'm sure the scene will have it's proper meaning within the context of where it is in the film. But in the context of this trailer, to me, it went unintentionally funny.

Maybe your actors aren't bad. Maybe it's the missing context? I don't know, I will have to wait for the final film to come out to see that. But I suspect it could be.


I've been editing on my Trailer for almost a month now and I keep changing things over and over again because of the same problem. So I understand the concept of a trailer well, and also it's problems:
As someone who knows the script, who knows the scenes and characters, this will ultimately affect the way you interpret the footage, what a certain shot,look, detail mean to you.
But then, how someone else interpretes it, someone who doesn't know the context, doesn't know the story, doesn't know the characters, but only knows what the trailer shows him, is an entirely different thing.

And I interprated this part is funny because it made no sense in the way I interpreted the trailer. If I know these two characters backstories, it could be the best scene ever.

For example, if Arsyn actually was gay and the other one is his lover, then they make decisions and ultimately end up on different sides, and this is the very scene that has them have to destroy each other. That would be cool and I'd be the last to jump on the ignorant gay-is-silly wagon.

It's the context that make things.

I had this idea once when i was young and naive that I could introduce a character into a TV show of my own who would be a "superhero" and gay, and it wouldn't be an issue addressed with ignorance but with atristry and a literary level of appreciation for the character ASIDE from his gaiety (as it is). It seems i was wrong.
No, you're not wrong, but it seems you're just as quick on jumping on conclusions and prejudice.
And you show my exact point above: People jump on conclusions, they interprete things quickly and sometimes wrong. In rea life, and in the way they watch a movie or a trailer.

And your job as a director is to help them jump on the exact conclusion you want them to. LEADING your audience to where you want them to be is the key in filmmaking.


My theory is that if our cast doesn't fulfill each of anyone's respective excpectations then we've also managed to avoid stereotypes.
Yes, and if that's your artistic goal, then thats a good thing. Just be ready and brave enough to earn to consequences: ALL people think in stereotypes, even you (the whole "this guy hates gay people" argument proved that, and my interpretation of the scene proved that on my side). So be prepared that people will be confused by the work and therefore not like it.

If you disagree, then we agree to disagree.
Heh, my favorite line. Yeah, that's the easiest way to go in an argument.
This line always has a certain "I'll say that so I don't even have to listen to someones arguments, as they're just another opinion" undertone. But then again, this could be a prejudice.


As already said, don't think I do not have respect for you guys and your work. Clearly, this means a lot to you and you have done work beyond what 90% of filmmakers on here do and I have nothing but respect for that - personally, artistically and professionally.

What I'm saying here I say because I believe it could help you get even better. But in the end, you're right: It's just another opinion, and it's ultimately your decision how much credibility you want to give it.

And I'm sorry if I appear to be rude or disrespectful, this couldn't be further away from what I truly feel.

*me high fives's CX3 and Alex* smile
Posted: Sun, 2nd Jul 2006, 12:01pm

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This is Alex again.. I forgot my password.. oops.. Follow up:

That "someone" was me. And obviously, jumping on the ignorant wagon is the easiest way to go, but I have to tell you, ignorance has little to do with my comment.
ALL people think in stereotypes, even you (the whole "this guy hates gay people" argument proved that, and my interpretation of the scene proved that on my side).
Sollthar, Both of these comments are off base. Firstly. I want to clarify that I never questioned your stance on homosexuality. It wasn't relevant, and I frankly don't care. If the word "prejudice" is thowing you off, I'm using it in the most literal way, " to pre-judge." What I see in your interpretation is unfounded. You say that the situation would be the same if the genders of the characters were reversed, if Arsyn were a female character. Would that still be a source of comedy for you then? If the genders were the same but the sexualities were also the same, hetero and hetero, would the romantic undertone you see still be there? Would it also be funny to you? The point is that you are seeing some aspect of romance and comedy in that 2 second glance that I can't see. Where does it come from? Without some previous knowledge of the character, the comment is clearly born of some prejudice. With that knowledge, there is an assumption being made which somehow has affected the context you've constructed. I know this is all literary, interpretive jabber and no fun, but that's what makes art art. (That and I can't just say "hey. I'm the writer." and explain the facts without telling the story i want you to see in the movie.)

I also wanted to address this comment:

That's why film is all about typecasting. I need to be able to look at a character and tell immedeately, who he is / where he belongs to / how strong he is etc.
Where to begin?...If we gave you all of that information in the teaser, why watch the movie afterward? It's a sad idea, i think. Just because it happens in Hollywood doesn't make it good. You can't be afraid to work, and by work, I mean engage this medium of art and entertainment. Explication is a GOOD thing. Nothing real, good, and artistic should come to us on a silver platter. Honestly, I think that's why people don't read anymore; it' too much work. Sure, there's the Harry Potters and The DaVinci Code (spelling check, ha) that millions of people read because there's a global buzz and a guarantee that their time will be rewarded with entertainment. But most of those people know what their getting into before they even get started. Who grabs something random out of a library stack and and just reads for the sake of reading? Tangent. Sorry. OK. Point: If it doesn't make sense right away, it will. If we stay rigid to some casting/character guideline, we become redundant, artless, and boring. By the desires you've set in place, there's no room for surprise. Don't we want surprise? I DO.

So, really. I wanted to be as concise as possible. I'm not here to be confrontational. I've said it before and I'll say it again that I appprecate your voice on all of these matters. I hope that what Chris and i might say can help you as much as you help us. We have hope. We have ambition.

Ambition is great so long as it isn't blind, deaf, dumb and mute.
And we have all of our faculties available to us, Xcession... mad


Best,
Alex (Arsyn)
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Would that still be a source of comedy for you then? If the genders were the same but the sexualities were also the same, hetero and hetero, would the romantic undertone you see still be there? Would it also be funny to you?
As I have said: Yes, it would still be funny to me. Obviously, the whole homoerotic context didn't make it less funny, but even if it was hetero-hetero, I'd would have made me smile, because it wouldn't change the way this scene came across to me, as I have explained above.

I want to clarify that I never questioned your stance on homosexuality. It wasn't relevant, and I frankly don't care.
Is that so? Would you then please explain why exactly you wrote "I will say that a few comments were particularly rude and ignorant." and then went on a 4 line rant about how you'd wish homosexuality would be less of a concern?

The point is that you are seeing some aspect of romance and comedy in that 2 second glance that I can't see.
Yes, as I have also said above, that's because you know the context it is in. I don't. So I have to make up my own context.

the comment is clearly born of some prejudice
Yeah, no doubt about that. As I have - again - previously state, ALL people think in prejudices. So I'm no exception - and I have no problems with that.
Psychology and interactive comminucation is part of my study, so I'm well aware that thinking in prejudices is not just simply a "bad thing", it's a necessary thing for you survival. And simply the way the human psyche works.

If we gave you all of that information in the teaser, why watch the movie afterward?
Hm, that's the same point CX3 didn't seem to get. Either I'm not phrasing myself well or you constantly misinterprete what I say out of some prejudged understanding.

Let me ask a counterquestion... Why even post a trailer? Surely, to get people interested in your story?
So, what a trailer needs to do then is getting me interested in the story - for that to work, I need to roughly know what your film is about to then judge if I'm willing to spend 90 minutes of my time to watch it.

Just because it happens in Hollywood doesn't make it good.
Erm, it actually happens in every sort of filmmaking all over the world and has little to do with Hollywood - not sure why you'll even mention Hollywood really.
And not even in filmmaking, even in literacy - read the sum up of a book on the back, you'll find your own little "trailer" there.
Actually thats a basic rule in STORYTELLING. Hollywood didn't invent it.

Explication is a GOOD thing. Nothing real, good, and artistic should come to us on a silver platter.
Again, you're entirely missing the point... Having to think is a good thing, but you need to give your audience the basic information to figure something out. You can't expect them to guess stuff right they need to understand the trailer.

By the desires you've set in place, there's no room for surprise. Don't we want surprise? I DO.
Eh? I seriously can't even begin to understand why the hell you'd come to such a conclusion, that my desivers would leave no room for surprise...

Who grabs something random out of a library stack and and just reads for the sake of reading? Tangent. Sorry. OK. Point: If it doesn't make sense right away, it will.
Again, if that's your argument, then why in gods name would you even post a teaser? Because Hollywood does it?


Here, I'll write you a breakdown of what I see in this trailer:

- The first line gives me the following: Something obviously needs to be done in the name of the greater good. I don't know WHAT though.

- "then start it"... start what?

- The merging could mean a lot to the world? Who the heck is X3i? Who is the other party? Who are they? The trailer obviously expects me to know already, I don't... So this again means nothing to me.

- "how did you plan to stop me?" Who is this guy? Who is the other guy? Stop him from what?

Then it's over... It leaves me with NO IDEA what the film will be about, and therefore doesn't even give me a chance to decide whetever I'm interested in it or not, since I don't know what it's about. Not a bit. Some people fight for something in the name of the greater good against some people else, something with a union... I can't even tell whos who... I can tell there's a lot of characters, loads of dramartic head turns and some fighting... But I can't even guess about what they're fighting. Or what they're fighting for.


If that's the way you want your audience to feel, then I will stop arguing and wish you luck with the technique.
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Where does it come from? Without some previous knowledge of the character, the comment is clearly born of some prejudice.
The comment is only born of the fact that the look in the eyes of the characters and the way they interact, is reminiscent of lovers.

The only prejudice involved here, is the brain's almost precognitive natural ability to draw extremely accurate conclusions based on decades of experience of the evidence put before it. Everyone has this abilities...so everyone is prone to see this scene in the same way. Not all will, obviously, but why risk it?

Where to begin?...If we gave you all of that information in the teaser, why watch the movie afterward? It's a sad idea, i think.
...and if you didn't give us any information, who would watch the movie afterwards? Its a double-edged sword.

Just because it happens in Hollywood doesn't make it good
...and just because familiarity could be a bad thing, doesn't meant your trailer can stand up without it.

If we stay rigid to some casting/character guideline, we become redundant, artless, and boring
Rigid - yes. But if you're flexible you get the best of both worlds. From your replies, it would appear you're not willing to be flexible.

Don't we want surprise? I DO.
Surprise - yes. Discouraging confusion - no. At present there is sufficient vagueness in this teaser for it to discourage me a little from watching the main film.

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When can we expect the final film? I'm looking forward to it after seeing this teaser!

* schwar sidesteps the current discussion hoping we can all just get along *
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Happy hour is over, friends. I was nice--Real nice-- but some people just can't let bygones be bygones.

Sallthar:
Of all people, with your wealth of claims to be misinterpretted, you have some nerve coming in here telling people what they should and should not do to communicate some kind of message to you, because apparently you have no grasp of that concept yourself. If you wanted context so badly, you could have helped yourself to any of the X3i series, promos, and even our blooper real--all readily available at no cost.

[quote]s that so? Would you then please explain why exactly you wrote "I will say that a few comments were particularly rude and ignorant." and then went on a 4 line rant about how you'd wish homosexuality would be less of a concern?



As I politely tried to explain before. It was not your stance on the issue that I cared about, but that the issue was coming up in the first place. Simple concept. Simple answer.

Yes, as I have also said above, that's because you know the context it is in. I don't. So I have to make up my own context.
Suddenly, i think I see the major issue here. You hate mystery. This beef about the context of the Arsyn/Carbon scene has revolved around your insistence that you see something that is not there. I can tell you, FACTUALLY, "not there" but apparently that is not good enough for you. Your not content to rest with the mystery. You'd rather make up your own context than give into the idea of myriad possibilities. Not my fault. Don't make your failures my priorities.

Erm, it actually happens in every sort of filmmaking all over the world and has little to do with Hollywood - not sure why you'll even mention Hollywood really.
And not even in filmmaking, even in literacy - read the sum up of a book on the back, you'll find your own little "trailer" there.
Actually thats a basic rule in STORYTELLING. Hollywood didn't invent it.
Wow. Your ability to skew the English language is profound. This must have been another one of those classic "misinterpretation" moments you have, because, clearly, Hollywood holds a symbolic importance to the filmmaking society. Most people know that. Somehow you started talking geography with me and, well, i got lost. I'm sure you understand. Oh, and while we're tossing out technicalities, this is not a trailer but a teaser. Also, I didn't post it.
<-----Not Responsible.
If you need to gather your thoughts to analyze and contrast teasers and trailers. take your time. I'll ask Chris to post and explaination if you wish. And I never claimed that Hollywodd invented anything. utilize, yes, invent, no. Keep your words in your own mouth.

Eh? I seriously can't even begin to understand why the hell you'd come to such a conclusion, that my desivers would leave no room for surprise...
Eh? I didn't think you could.

Here, I'll write you a break down of what i see you seeing in this trailer.
You're bitter because there is mystery. go fig. You ask who the main players are, a more valid point, so i'll again point you toward the series. I can't tell you the entire story. I have no control over what appears or does not appear in this teaser. Chris made a valid, artistic CHOICE with everything he put together here. You can't apparently afford the courtesy of accepting it and moving on. You want to drag on arguments of interpretation beyond the FACTS your given and beyond reason.
While we're here, I thought i'd let you know that I saw your Nightcast teaser....Question: Why doesn't this make any sense? He has no face...but he knows how to fght...so he must? Good, Evil? How important IS this person? What is the scenario or reality here? I could go on, but these are just basic questions not unlike what you've provided us here. the difference, is that we haven't skimped details. You just haven't bothered to gather any (SEE Series).

You know as welll as anyone that these kinds of projects are not easy. You've done this, and you don't want to be the person in the hot seat when you present your special little project into the fold. Prior to this post, I was attempting to be very friendly. Courtesy and intelligence would have prompted you to return the favor. Now i know you have neither. Peace.

*me hi-fives Sollthar *

Xcession:
Wow. It was best you had stayed out of this. But since I'm spreading the love...

The comment is only born of the fact that the look in the eyes of the characters and the way they interact, is reminiscent of lovers.

The only prejudice involved here, is the brain's natural ability to draw extremely accurate conclusions based on decades of experience of the evidence put before it. Everyone has this abilities...so everyone is prone to see this scene in the same way; although not all will, obviously.
This post is strangely optomistic for you. The credit you give people is kind, but bull. i think you know it's bull. If not, I want to meet your friends. Most of the rest of it is right on. Views are subjective. I'll say you're entitled to see that scene as romantically as you wish, but the truth will be seen in the end. I wouldn't even say that others are prone to see anything.

It's wonderful to see that double edges and contradictions still exist in the world. thanks for pointing that out to me.



Rigid - yes. But if you're flexible you get the best of both worlds. From your replies, it would appear you're not willing to be flexible.
i would invite you to explain to me how my stance on this subject makes me unflexible, but i don't care. This is one of those times where your desire to be confrontational has fallen outside of logic. I'm only half (a lesser half, at that) of a casting duo. We casted persons inside and outside of our vision. We worked with what we had. Somehow it has become an issue of contention that I support my cast. (?) Silly, I know. I think we have a reasonably decent assembly of UNseasoned NONprofessionals who commited to a project with busy schedules and without pay to help achieve a vision. I'm not in a position to recast or consider altering the audio to make a character sound more to anyone else's liking. Basically, I'm not doing this for you. Nobody else is either.

And really, you can pretend like the teaser has turned you off from the full movie, but we both know you're probably going to watch it (skipping through sections as you do) just so you have ammo for this perpetual volley of snide comments you make across the forum. Worst case, you don't watch it; I'm spared the experience.

So, I'm done, probably for a few days, because I have things to do. Maybe you and Sollthar should both get out into the world also. Lighten up and get some perspective.

*high-fives all around*
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Schwar,

I tried, man. smile Sorry sad
Thanks for the interest and support!

Alex
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Whoa, now that was...certainly interesting.

Well, since you've cleary figured my hatred for mystery and my evil menacing personality out, I'll leave the subject at that and go look for a new victim then.


*sollthar vanishes into the fog*
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For what its worth, I think I understand your points perfectly Sollthar. Arsynist just seems to have missed them, yet again... unsure
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Alex -

I, too, think you have missed the point. Underscoring all of this discussion is the fact that a teaser-trailer should work for an audience, as a standalone piece without requiring any pre-existing knowledge of the plot/characters/etc etc. The trailer should provide enough information to convey the basics. No, you don't have to give away all the plot, but some things need to have context, otherwise they don't make sense.

If you wanted context so badly, you could have helped yourself to any of the X3i series, promos, and even our blooper real--all readily available at no cost.
Which shouldn't be neccesary. When trailers for the DaVinci Code were brought out, they didn't have a disclaimer on the end saying "oh, and if you don't get it, read the book". The trailer needs to work by itself to get the story accross to an audience completley ignorant of any pre-existing information about the plot etc.

And, for what it's worth, I think the clip in question was badly chosen, because (for me at least) it had a hint of sexual tension - it doesn't matter who the characters are, or indeed what gender or sexuality they are; the dialogue, and the way it was delivered gave an impression that hinted at some sort of sexual tension, making the moment unintentionally comic. It would have been just as comically surreal if it was Bruce Willis and Arnold Schwarzenegger (both famed womanisers), so sexuality has nothing to do with it.

Overall, though, this trailer was sweet. I've not seen all the X3i episodes, but I can't wait for this to come out. It's clear that a lot of work has gone into it, and it does seem intriguing. I look forward to it's release, and hope that we can all get along in the meantime smile

Cheers,
Arktic.
Posted: Sun, 2nd Jul 2006, 3:45pm

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Can we try to resist the temptation to sling personal insults around, please? It sullies what is otherwise a very interesting debate about a cool teaser.

Sollthar and Xcession have acknowledged that they respect your work. They both hold the X3i team in high regard, based on previous work and their general behaviour round here. From what I've read, their comments in this thread seem to be about one thing - trying to improve on something that is already good, but which could be better. They wouldn't have spent so much time attempting to debate the issue if they didn't see massive potential.

Reading the thread from an outside perspective, I can't quite figure out where all the animosity is coming from - let's try to keep things civil from now on.

I suspect this has all come from a misunderstanding a few posts back - perhaps if those involved could go back an re-read the posts without being caught up in the heat of the moment, the true intentions could be uncovered to help the discussion progress more sensibly from now on.

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Posted: Sun, 2nd Jul 2006, 4:12pm

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Woah where did that come from? I don't know where to begin. Luckily, the tone of your post itself does most of my rebuttal for me.

The tone of my posts, however, is always intended to be construed simply as "direct opinion". Its sad that you've mistaken my honesty with being in any way warranting personal attacks, but I apologise and would for future reference appreciate being told which bits specifically were unobjective or inaccurate.
Posted: Mon, 3rd Jul 2006, 12:15am

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I found a gap in my schedule, so I'd thought I'd reply. I want to preface my post with stating that I'm not a poor receiver of criticism. I know that no one said that; i'm just stating it for myself. I've taken a lot of classes and had a lot of projects/workshops where it was essential. I'm TOTALLY OK that someone doesn't like SOME or many aspects of the trailer. That'slife. I'm sure that everyone has the best and most friendly of intentions, but those intentions are being undermined by tone. I think that on top of giving clear and constructive advice (which many of you have and I appreciate), there needs to be a level of sensitivity involved that doesn't communicate as well over the internet as it does in real life.

I'm not going to pretend like I'm innocent of any of this. I was rude, sure. I was also angry. I'm also not going to pretend that I didn't find certain comments offensive and still do after re-reading. You can look into the language of almost any of the previous posts (of contention) and see how an offense may have ocurred. I see it plainly, even in my own text. In my first post as ARSYNIST, I was content to let sleeping dogs lie. I thought I was being calm and professional. I even stated outright that I wasn't being confrontational. I was wrong. With rereading, I see how many of those "nice" comments I made could be construed as rude. I can find similar flaws in other persons' post. We all make mistakes. You can't blame a person for not sitting back when they feel under attack. I mean that for all sides.
It's unfortunate that the situation escalated the way it did, but it happened. More clear, concise, objective, and polite commentary could have been made across the board. All are beng taken into future consideration when posting. For that reason, I'm not going to quote lines and fingerpoint at anything or anyone in this post. I don't feel it's necessary. It would only fuel more agruing. This forum and CX3 deserve better. I think we all agree on that and should make efforts to move forward. As always, I give my best regards to all and apologize about past offenses.

On a lighter note and in a more topic-related direction, there was a comment by Marc4Def which I don't recall having had a response.
But, I'm confused about a few things here? Is the movie taking place after X3I-episodes 4 ended? Or is there more charpters in this saga that leads up to the movie?
That brings up a good issue. So here's how this works: I wrote the entire first season (in all of its incarnations, ha) which Should have had a total of seven episodes. There were all sorts of conflicts getting it finished. It didn't quite happen. I wrote the movie (after writing another whole season and having to scrap it sad ) with the notion that those seven would get finished. SO there IS a story gap. With what scenes we have shot from the series episodes 5-7 Cowan plans to piece together a sort of set-up sequence introing the movie. I'm not sure of all the accurate jargon for this stuff. That should clear up most of the questions you might have prior to the film's story line. For those who would have favored a re-writing, we considered it, but I was finishing up my degree at the time, and things got busy. Had I had more time, I probably would have tailored some scenes to input that essential info. Given more time, I might have completely rewritten the movie, too. haha. I can be fickle in that way. smile I hope that helps smile

I'll break down the chronology for clarity:
X3i Series, episodes 1-4. ---> Eps.5-7 occur immediately following--->time gap (let's say a year)--->Divinity. So everything prior to Divinity is of anticedent importance.


Arktic, Tarn, pleasure as always. Thanks for your commentary and advice. Thanks to anyone showing interest in the project!

Best Regards,
Alex
Posted: Mon, 3rd Jul 2006, 1:50am

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So can we all get along now?


Solthar, please return from the fog! Its dark in there. My grandfather once entered the fog.. we still can't find him!
Posted: Mon, 3rd Jul 2006, 9:32am

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Rating: +1

*me reappears from the mist*

Good, glad we can move on.

I have already apologized in a pm to Asyn for whatever my part was in letting things get out of hand.

As most know, I'm not a native english speaker, therefore there might have been certain subtleties going past me or missing from my own posts - I don't know.

Well, glad I can put my duellist pistols back in the closet. smile


Good luck with the film
Posted: Mon, 3rd Jul 2006, 8:12pm

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Looking forward to seeing completed project.I enjoyed your teaser
very much.......i wanna see more......OK.

O'l Dav
Posted: Mon, 3rd Jul 2006, 8:36pm

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Looks good, not sure what the story is about but still looks well shot

well done.
Posted: Sat, 15th Jul 2006, 8:50pm

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hey guys when can we expect the firts x3i movie. i want to start the countdown. see ya.....
Posted: Wed, 2nd Aug 2006, 6:16pm

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The FX sequences were well lit. However, a lot can be added for mood,( lighting), in the other shots. They don't quite match. Not a crit, just a personal observation. I fully understand the difficulty lighting a scene with a smaller budget. When we do our storyboards we use highlight and shadow only. This better facilitates the look and, ( in this case ), mood. Good luck
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Whoa, in some absolutely weird way, I have missed this teaser trailer. Well, it looks great, some very nice shots in it (I really like the "wind machine" shot and the final "slamming into the wall shot) and I hope it'll be great when it's finished. smile 4 stars!