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I am sick of this Star Wars fanfilms. Are you?

Posted: Sat, 24th Jun 2006, 7:33pm

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hulkis2001

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It seems where ever i go, i see tons and tons of star wars fanfilms. It's like every kid has made a star wars fanfilm. The quality is poor, the effects are not that great and overall it's cheesy. But that is not my point. My point is why or why you have to make Star Wars fanfilm when you could do better and more creative films? There are millions of Star Wars fanfilms out there. What is wrong with that picture? This tells me those who made those films have no creativity on their own.

There are hundered and thousands of other movies out there. Why do you have to choose Star Wars? Don't get me wrong, i love the Star War movies. It's just that too many people are trying to do Star Wars fanfilms. Next time you do a film, keep in mind no more star wars crap. Nobody wants to see that anymore. Keep in mind this message isn't directly to this board but everyone out there.


What are you thoughts? Do you disagree with me? Please tell me your reason if so.
Posted: Sat, 24th Jun 2006, 7:38pm

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Personaly I love star Wars fan films. I can't get enough of them...Well the good ones at least, like 'Duality'

But each to his/her own.
Posted: Sat, 24th Jun 2006, 7:39pm

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I think if you want to make a film, you should make it about something you are passionate about, and not base it on what other people are or are not making films about. If Star Wars is the thing that gets you going, then hey, go for it. Many of these fanfilms are the first learning steps for future filmmakers to move on to bigger and better things.

And some are just crap.
Posted: Sat, 24th Jun 2006, 7:56pm

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Personally, I've more of a problem with people who haven't made anything of their own to submit to an online audience sitting around whining about people who have.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that star wars fanfilms are somewhat overdone though provided a film-maker has an interest in film and improving their techniques it doesn't bother me how they go about doing it provided they're level-headed and open to criticism. There are always the fanfilms which are plain dire, but hey - atleast they tried and that's really what's important here at fxhome.

The software here is largely aimed at amateur to independent film-makers so it's safe to say that it's central to the point of fxhome that people learn how to improve their skills. So really, the films content isn't at all important, is it?

It's also worth noting that the software on sale here grew popular because of it's excellent lightsaber tools - trying to rule that no one should make star wars fan films isn't going to work. I don't really think you've any right to make such demands considering you can choose to simply not watch them.

Keep in mind this message isn't directly to this board but everyone out there.
Ah yes, because everyone 'out there' reads the fxhome forums. That makes absolute sense.

Anyway, where are your films hulkis? razz

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Posted: Sat, 24th Jun 2006, 8:03pm

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If you don't like Star Wars Fanfilms, don't watch them. smile

Star Wars doesn't interest me, Star Wars fanfilms don't interest me much, so I simply don't watch them.

If people wanna make them though, go ahead.
Posted: Sat, 24th Jun 2006, 8:15pm

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yea i dont no what you think you are saying because it has like was sead a tool for making lightsabers and if you dont like them like was sead dont watch them and another thing you cant make rude comments about a 5 min. duel nothing but lightsabers because even if it looks bad 5 min can take a long long long time to do so if you ever think about getting a product you will se the real things you can make with lightsabers
you can use them for comadey
fights
and all sorts of stuff and fan films are hard to do have you noticed why the real movie takes 3 years to be made well not that long for fan movies but a nicely made one a month atleast

oh and i want to see some great movie you can make
Posted: Sat, 24th Jun 2006, 8:27pm

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They can go ahead and make them but what's the point if what you did is the same thing as million other people have done? Star Wars isn't the only movie today. The effects are all the same considering the ape they are using. All i see is light saber fights and such which are the same in each fanflim i've seen. Not to mention they were horribly made because there is no story to it seeing it's only action and even that was cheesy.


Maybe something is wrong with me. I am not feeling well today so that might be it. From now on, i am not going to watch another Star Wars fanfilm. Simple as that.
Posted: Sat, 24th Jun 2006, 8:34pm

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Me personally I have seen a lot of great star wars fan films but there are also a lot that to some extent I think people should be embarrassed to ever let anyone see but their own family.

But in case you haven't noticed one of the main marketing schemes with Effects Lab and Vision Lab are the fact that you can make light sabers so naturally with so many people being able to make light sabers so easily now your going to see an increase in Star Wars fan films.

I love star wars and I love a lot of the fan films out there and respect the time and effort put into those films, but if you are looking for something new and fresh check out my site and see what were up to at JUIGADOR PRODUCTIONS.

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PS: If your looking for a really good Star Wars Fanfilm though you might want to check this one out I even think Sollthar might like it lol it's a very well made fan film with a very good story: http://www.brokenallegiance.net/

If anything just watch their movie trailor: http://www.brokenallegiance.net/files/video/trailer/ba-theatrical.mov
Posted: Sat, 24th Jun 2006, 9:25pm

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People make star wars fan films because they like star wars. I'm gonna be making one next year hopefuly.
Also, star wars films are a hell of alot easier to make than alot of other sfx films.
Posted: Sat, 24th Jun 2006, 9:47pm

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I think Art of the Saber and Rise of the Empire were some of the first fanfilms I ever saw, everything else was downhill from there.

Right now I'm at a point were I would love to see a starwars movie that has no Jedi or lightsabers.

I wan to see smugglers dodging the bounty hunters of Hutt syndicates, I want to see the darker dirty side of Starwars (and not the Sith). Once I see a good Starwars film like that I’ll be done with Starwars fan films, but no ones going to make them and generally if I see Jedi in a description I don’t download it.
Posted: Sat, 24th Jun 2006, 10:24pm

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hulkis2001 wrote:




Maybe something is wrong with me.
Bingo!
Posted: Sat, 24th Jun 2006, 10:38pm

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You know a movie I'd really like to see? A real movie. Something that I could relate too in all aspects. Nothing fantasy or fake, something about life or have some big message to it.

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Posted: Sat, 24th Jun 2006, 10:39pm

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Or perheps if you are going to make Star Wars fanfilm make it right and good. That is the main problem i think. Most people don't really put effort into making it good or maybe they haven't learned much for that case don't show it to the public(save the embarrasement).

Now i saw this Star Wars fanfilm that college students made. The visuals were great as well as compositing. Looked professional but then again, the story wasn't so good and as well as the acting. But they got the visuals part right. That is the best Star Wars fanfilm so far i've seen.

Lastly can i ask why no one has done a Spiderman fanfilm? Is it too hard for you or unsure how to do it? Spiderman is way more intersting than Star Wars. I am surprised no one has done it yet. I would do it if i had the equipments and actors.
Posted: Sat, 24th Jun 2006, 10:40pm

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i think if you don't like them just don't watch them......besides they are not made specifically for you!!!!!!!!!!!

i dont really like them myself but i just don't watch them....

no offense but i seriously think is stupid to post something like this when this website first started based on those things!!!!!!!!!!

honestly mate! unsure
Posted: Sat, 24th Jun 2006, 11:45pm

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Spider-man fan film. Well err. There have been one or two. 'The green goblins last stand' springs to mind.

Making a spider-man movie on a very, very small budget is next to impossible. How could you recreate all that amazing webslinging? Spider-cam.....No chance in hell.

Unless you have really, really good rendering programs where yo could make convincing buildings and a convincing 3-d spider-man I don't think anyone is gonna be making a Spidey flick.
I'd love to do one, but it's far too hard.

Hey, why don't you give it a go.
Posted: Sat, 24th Jun 2006, 11:51pm

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I won't make a star wars fan film unless I can have my cats star in it. And thus far the little buggers refuse to grow opposable thumbs so they can hold the sword hilts.
Posted: Sun, 25th Jun 2006, 12:04am

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hulkis2001 wrote:

Lastly can i ask why no one has done a Spiderman fanfilm? ... I would do it if i had the equipments and actors
You know, I think you just answered your own question.

Cheers,
Arktic.
Posted: Sun, 25th Jun 2006, 12:09am

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I made a Star Wars fanfilm when I was 13, it was a lot of fun and that's why I made it. It wasn't the best but it helped me improve my workflow in a literally independent film situation (one man team.)

Now, I think making an original film would be a lot more interesting, but if you love Star Wars then go ahead, it's fun. That's what it's all about, and if you don't think so then you're in the wrong place.

Making it good might be fun for the experienced etc etc, but the 12 year old version of me, I know for a fact, wasn't able to. But who the hell cares? Now, if you are over 20 and making a fanfilm, I would try to make it quality work if you are a true fan/true filmmaker, but sometimes it isn't all that you hoped for or what your audience hoped for. Screw embarassment, have fun.

You are stating opinions and are very hypocritical, seriously:

Spiderman is better than Star Wars is not a fact, in my opinion it's a lie. wink

"My point is why or why you have to make Star Wars fanfilm when you could do better and more creative films? There are millions of Star Wars fanfilms out there. What is wrong with that picture? This tells me those who made those films have no creativity on their own."

Spiderman fanfilm is just as uncreative as Star Wars when you are speaking generally. If you are talking speicifically there are plenty of interesting SW fanfilms. If SW stories suck now because it's overdone, why are there plenty of novels that sell fairly well? They haven't become boring to the fanbase and these are the people that have fun making these films. There is a community more active than this site dedicated to just SW fanfilms, they obviously enjoy it. By now, I think I've made my point clear.

Also, the people who go out and make crap fanfilms are going to make just as crap original films, if not more crap if they do it the same way.
Posted: Sun, 25th Jun 2006, 12:44am

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Serpent wrote:

Also, the people who go out and make crap fanfilms are going to make just as crap original films, if not more crap if they do it the same way.
It is my firm belief that most people that are going to make anything are going to make crap. I think that a lot of people that understand how to make good films and know that they are good want to make something that they can own the rights to, unlike people who usually make fan films of any kind.
Posted: Sun, 25th Jun 2006, 1:02am

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God, I hate fanfilms, and the people who make them. Especially ones based off of Tom Clancy video games.
Posted: Sun, 25th Jun 2006, 1:13am

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I hate people.
Posted: Sun, 25th Jun 2006, 1:21am

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They are called "Fanfilms" for a reson. It shows that you like the topic you are making the fanfilm about. Like what every one says here if you dont like the type of films then dont watch them.
Posted: Sun, 25th Jun 2006, 1:44am

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SlothPaladin wrote:

Serpent wrote:

Also, the people who go out and make crap fanfilms are going to make just as crap original films, if not more crap if they do it the same way.
It is my firm belief that most people that are going to make anything are going to make crap. I think that a lot of people that understand how to make good films and know that they are good want to make something that they can own the rights to, unlike people who usually make fan films of any kind.
However, if they have the skill to make good films and they are a Star Wars fan, a lot of times good films are made. The rest are having a good time. Based on your post I really don't know where you stand, so this is either a reply or a retort. wink
Posted: Sun, 25th Jun 2006, 2:11am

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We can all agree on one thing. Star Wars fanfilms are over made. You don't need to make a star wars fanfilm to have good time. Just look at how many other movies there are to choose from. Why Star Wars if it's done million times already and basically almost all of them suck? When you are making star wars fanfilm, you are telling me you are not serious about it and are doing it just for kicks. Even for that, why do you have to choose Star Wars? Because you want to make cool light sabers? That's all?

I mean seriously think about it and try to understand it. What i am saying is, choose to make some other fan film rather than star wars even though it's still going to be cheesy. Atleast we'll have something different to look at. eek

If you don't know what other fan film to choose from. I'll give you one. The Hulk. Now that's a real deal their. That's a big challenge. To people out there who want to make fan films, make The Hulk if you like it. And even Spiderman fanfilm. Don't worry if it's not that good looking. No matter what, it'll be better than Star War fanfilm. After watching tons and tons of Star Wars fan films, you'll come to the conclusion that almost anything is better than Star Wars fanfilms.
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Posted: Sun, 25th Jun 2006, 2:20am

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What about star wars based films, keeping only the sabers, Jedi’s, and the force, and then everything else is different.

See I had this teacher of mine who absolutely loves star wars, so for my friends and I thought "hey easy A" so we made a star wars filmed based off of a few star wars elements but made up our own plot and planets and other things.

So I WAS excited to post my new/first/last star wars film because it wasn’t bad, but now I’m afraid to in fear that my entire family will be assassinated by the local fanfilm haters, or that I might be mugged in a virtual alley in this virtual world...

But with all that to the side, I agree with some of u guys. All the Bad, Star Wars films get annoying. People who just through in four dotes on a stick, who don’t adjust the, intensity, the glow, and all that there is to adjust. All the films that have horrible saber masking, bad sound, and no plot, It can get annoying.

So I hope I’m not being a hypocrite, I hope that my many hours of free hand neon light editing/ hours of tree masking/ hours of f’n sound editing show and that my movie doesn’t get written off as “just another stupid Star Wars fanfilm” . So all in all, don’t hate Star Wars Fanfilms because they are Fanfilms, hate them because they actually lack quality. Don’t judge a book by its cover.
Posted: Sun, 25th Jun 2006, 2:25am

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hulkis2001 wrote:

We can all agree on one thing. Star Wars fanfilms are over made.
Saying that in this thread now is stupid, because one member specifically said he wished there were more. So we obviously don't all agree.



hulkis2001 wrote:

When you are making star wars fanfilm, you are telling me you are not serious about it and are doing it just for kicks. Even for that, why do you have to choose Star Wars? Because you want to make cool light sabers? That's all?
Ok, you aren't doing it just for "kicks", you probably want to make it good as a fan. But maybe you don't want to be a filmmaker and want to do this, or maybe you want to tell your Star Wars story that you've had since you were a kid in 1977 when ANH premiered. The point is, if you really love Star Wars and want to make your own Star Wars movie, then do it. It's not about making cool lightsabers for most people, it's about the cult of Star Wars the people are really passionate about. There are more films than Star Wars fanfilms, there just happen to be a lot of Star Wars fans who have wanted to recreate it for years. With recent technology, you can easily do this. I think some people who make fanfilms about Star Wars are making it for cool lightsabers, or just for a fun little project and maybe they should look beyond. But others are passionate Star Wars fans who really want to do what Lucas did and you can't just say it's stupid. It's many people's dream and it's not a big deal, or at least it shouldn't be to you. I think you are being narrow-mindedly open if that makes any sense. wink You are basically saying anyone who wants to experience this fanfilm thing shouldn't and it really isn't fair to tell them it's stupid. Everyone deserves the option to try it and it might have a good end result.

Most people make one Star Wars fanfilm (who make any sort of fanfilm that is...) then they go on to become a comic book store worker, doctor, filmmaker, or whatever with Star Wars as a hobby or not. If they take the filmmaker route, they will probably eventually make different films. Now for all you Hulk fans, why don't you get off your ass and make a Hulk fanfilm? There are a lot of Star Wars fans, and thus a lot of fanfilms. But that is a small number compared to the number of short films, features, and other fanfilms made each year.


(Sorry for the long post, but I find myself repeating points, it's really hard to get this accross for me. But in that mess of a post, there are some points in there so try to read. smile)

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Posted: Sun, 25th Jun 2006, 2:25am

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hulkis2001 wrote:

Why Star Wars if it's done million times already and basically almost all of them suck?

Correct me if I am wrong but it sounds like you are insulting people that try their best to make a fanfilm. I get you dont like starwars fanfilms I am ok with that but most of your posts say that Most Star Wars fanfilms suck and you are insulting people that try their best to make a fanfilm. I am just saying man fanfilms are supposed to be made for fun its not like you are trying to make the next starwars or anything.
Posted: Sun, 25th Jun 2006, 2:31am

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I think he's saying, why bother making a SW fanfilm when there are tons out there that suck; hence they are largely ignored (as being good) by the general public. Why spend extra time if it's to do something that has been done before. I get that they are fanfilms, but after so many have been made, I think the reasoning behind making one is a little tired.

Like I said, I hate 'em. Especially the guys who direct the fanfilms, what are they thinking?
Posted: Sun, 25th Jun 2006, 2:40am

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ben3308 wrote:

Like I said, I hate 'em. Especially the guys who direct the fanfilms, what are they thinking?
I know it I hate the guy who is making this fan film.

razz
Posted: Sun, 25th Jun 2006, 3:00am

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I just wanted to let you know why i started this topic. I came upon this site by accident before i posted this topic.
http://theforce.net/fanfilms/

Check it out. So i just couldn't stand seeing more Star Wars fan films and that drove me nuts. This site seems to be pretty much based off Star Wars. What is up with Star Wars these days? Don't bother posting it on internet if it's not good enough. This way you won't get Fanfilm haters.


I am going to beat up the next amature film maker who makes a Star Wars fanfilm. twisted And i'm serial.
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But they can enjoy it, share it with friends/family, get criticism, see what the whole film/fanfilm scene is. I say post it online, it's not hard to these days (except for FXHome newbies asking for free hosting... wink)

And Ben, I see what he's saying and I think that's a stupid reason to not make one if you are passionate about it. (Yay, I worded it in 1 sentence!)
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JT9 wrote:

ben3308 wrote:

Like I said, I hate 'em. Especially the guys who direct the fanfilms, what are they thinking?
I know it I hate the guy who is making this fan film.

razz
My hate of Splinter Cell Fanfilms pwns your hate for MGS Fanfilms.

Oh, and Fisher>Snake. Endo-story.
Posted: Sun, 25th Jun 2006, 3:15am

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What serpent said. Let them do what they love doing you can not stop some one for doing what they love to do. There is no law about making a starwars fanfilm that may not be all that great.
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Atom wrote:

JT9 wrote:

ben3308 wrote:

Like I said, I hate 'em. Especially the guys who direct the fanfilms, what are they thinking?
I know it I hate the guy who is making this fan film.

razz
My hate of Splinter Cell Fanfilms pwns your hate for MGS Fanfilms.

Oh, and Fisher>Snake. Endo-story.
EDIT:Fisher<Snake. Just kidding around. Even though I am a Snake fan more than I am Fisher I still look forward to see your Splinter Cell film atom and ben it looks very good smile.
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Serpent wrote:

SlothPaladin wrote:

Serpent wrote:

Also, the people who go out and make crap fanfilms are going to make just as crap original films, if not more crap if they do it the same way.
It is my firm belief that most people that are going to make anything are going to make crap. I think that a lot of people that understand how to make good films and know that they are good want to make something that they can own the rights to, unlike people who usually make fan films of any kind.
However, if they have the skill to make good films and they are a Star Wars fan, a lot of times good films are made. The rest are having a good time. Based on your post I really don't know where you stand, so this is either a reply or a retort. wink
Basically what I meant was that most stuff sucks regardless of what it is, and do to the large quantity of Starwars fanfilms there are a large quantity of sucky Starwars fan films. I did mention two SW films I enjoyed, and truth be known I have seen more then two good ones, I just need to hear a lot of good things about the film before I bother downloading it, and even then I only like about 50% of what I do watch. I do beleave that the worst, and I do mean WORST, part of Starwars is Jedi and light sabers. I’m as guilty as you all for making a film with light sabers (you can watch my first atrocity here). As I have stated numerous times, I would love to watch a SW fanfilm about a rouge who is dodging Imperial patrols while working over time to double crossing the Hutt syndicate he begrudgingly works for.

I also believe that starting and finishing a stand alone project is an import thing for any amateur film maker who whishes to improve, regardless of what the film is about. This seems more of a problem with the people I talk to who are into animation and make statements like “I don’t want to start a project until its perfect”, which is a ridicules attitude. You will learn more from finishing projects (even crappy fan film projects) then you will from disjointed test. Make a film with a story, script, sound effects and score. Then show it to people, you can learn a lot from watching them watch it, and more from looking for what you could improve in the next project.

If you are making movies to have a good time, feel free to do so, however if you don’t want people to say bad things about the film don’t post it online.
Posted: Sun, 25th Jun 2006, 7:33am

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I personally hate most Starwars Fanfic movies. I think that all first time movie makers should do at least two original movies before trying a Starwars. By then, they'll have enough experience to make a good movie.

That's my two cents.
Posted: Sun, 25th Jun 2006, 8:41am

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Tomayto, tomato. One mans trash is another mans treasure.

It's all swings and roundabouts really.
My fave fanfilm ever is 'The test' by the mighty Sollthar. Loved it since the day I saw it...bout 3 years or so ago.

I personaly watch every fan film I can get my hands on, so I can look at them, see what they did right, see what they did wrong. See what I like and what I don't like and then try and apply it to my own movies.
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See, I just prefer cold war fan films with sci-fi over tones. They're much more unpredictable. Also, I'm biased smile

But yeah, I do think star wars fan films are abit overdone, as they seem to be the first thing anyone does filmmaking wise. But I say, Whatever introduces someone to filmmaking is cool with me.
Posted: Sun, 25th Jun 2006, 3:37pm

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I think Star Wars fanfilms have been done to death. But saying that, I would still watch them just because I am a Star Wars fans. I think what needs to be done though, instead of the usual, spaceship landing on a planet and a sith emerging looking for a jedi to fight, is come up with another story that isn't Star Wars related but has Star Wars elements in it.

Has anyone thought of making a Kill Bill fan film only to have lightsabers instead of Samurai swords? Have that story take place in the near future where technology is really starting to become advanced and stuff.

Or make a Charmed fan film where the 3 witches enlist the aid of a fallen Jedi to help them battle demons and stuff. (make sure you use really hott chixs if your gonna make a Charmed fanfilm.)

The point is if your gonna make a Star Wars fanfilm, at least create a story unrelated to the Star Wars universe but have Star Wars elements in your story.

I don't think good old George would get ticked off if he seen a lightsaber in a Charmed fanfilm lol
Posted: Sun, 25th Jun 2006, 5:26pm

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Hulkis,
here's a thought: have you ever made a film on your own? I mean all of it, on your own? Brainstorming, scripting, storyboarding, directing, shooting, acting, editing, VFX, SFX, all of that stuff?

The most difficult part (in my opinion) about making a film, any kind of film, is the story. Editing, SFX, audio...all of that is easy compared to making a good story because if the story sucks then the film will suck.

Sometimes people will choose a fan film for their very 1st film...no experience, not sure what they're doing, this is their very first time...and maybe with everything else going on (again, editing, VFX, etc.), they don't want to have to worry about crafting an original story because that can take a LONG TIME. So they choose a fan film because already you have the background pallete available...you already have a history of that Universe (and sometimes the characters). It makes the filmmaking process that much simpler for them. This way, they can concentrate on figuring out their lighting, or figuring out how to use their NLE, or an FXhome product...all of this stuff takes a while to learn when you've never done it before, and if your story already has a backdrop, then it's much simpler for them. That way, when they go to their second feature, they know what they're doing with everything else that they can now focus on telling a good, original story.

I wish I had gone that route with my first film. I spent so much time focusing on the story, and then rushing all of the other elements that I was unfamiliar with, and I ended up with only half a movie. My story suffered because I didn't know what I was doing with the camera, or the lighting. The film was a disaster. So now I'm doing a fanfilm (no, it's not Star Wars, it's a Batman / Superman feature) so that I can perfect my other skills while the history of my characters is already in place. Then, when I feel I have gotten a really good feel for these programs, then I will go back and craft an original film. Or remake the first film I worked on. But you have to start somewhere, man, and sometimes fanfilms just make it easier on people. What films have you made?

Just my two cents, sorry for the long post.
Posted: Sun, 25th Jun 2006, 6:57pm

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That is a good way to put it ForeverYoung8 great post +1 smile.
Posted: Sun, 25th Jun 2006, 7:02pm

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I've made 2 short films so far. Not fanfilms. And to be honest with you, i did everything you listed above. Came up with story, did the story board, acted as well as filmed, directed, edited, VFX and everything else that comes in the way. Not only that but i also combined flash animation to live footage. This is ofcourse something new but i did it and worked out great. The 2 short films i did were also my first 2 films. And i didn't have to start with fanfilms but rather made my own story/script. My next big step is CGI with live footage. Yes it's going to be complicated but i am going to do it and get through it no matter what. I am working on the CGI and story part righ now and filming part will come this september at my last year of the of the school.


You know you don't have to make fanfilms for the first time. But if you really want to, don't make another crappy Star Wars if you are going to put it on the net. I mean seriously, choose from other million films out there.
Posted: Sun, 25th Jun 2006, 7:24pm

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JT9 wrote:

That is a good way to put it ForeverYoung8 great post +1 smile.
Thank you cool
Posted: Sun, 25th Jun 2006, 7:37pm

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hulkis2001 wrote:



You know you don't have to make fanfilms for the first time. But if you really want to, don't make another crappy Star Wars if you are going to put it on the net. I mean seriously, choose from other million films out there.
You know, part of learning in today's world is by coming to places like FXhome and getting the opinions of the people who post here. That is why people post their short / feature films on the 'net, wether they suck or wether they are great. If you show a crappy film to your family, chances are they are going to lie and say "that was great, good job." As well they should, I mean they're family. When you post video's here, you get an honest opinion, and that's how you learn to make things better. That's why people post "crappy Star Wars" films on the net.

As for choosing from the million other films out there, I agree that there are many more options than just Star Wars. But Star Wars is HUGE right now. Bigger than it has been since Return of the Jedi hit theaters. EVERYBODY knows that universe, so you don't have to come up with as much of a backstory. Say you want to make a film based off the character of "Ashley" from "Gone With the Wind." How many people out there do you think have seen that movie now? Suddenly, you're creating a backstory. How many people know that the character of "Iron Man" (Marvel Comics) is an alcoholic? You have to assume the audience doesn't know that, so you have to craft the backstory.

When people see spaceships, light sabers, and little green guys with huge ears they automatically recognize Star Wars, and that's 'nuff said for them. You don't have to tell them about the Force, they know about it. You don't have to tell the audience why your Jedi can swing around a giant laser stick and not kill himself, they know he's a Jedi and he's bad*** and that's that.

That is why so many people choose Star Wars.

Now you mentioned using Flash animation and combining it with live footage...well I'm sorry, but that's hardly something new. I've seen it before. Countless times. Now you're going to do CGI combined with live footage? What do you think the Star Wars prequels are? Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that you have a weak argument against a topic that means a lot to a lot of people. I, personally, will never make a Star Wars fanfilm because although I like the movies, I'm not passionate enough about that Universe. Maybe I'm tired of seeing so much CGI in every film that is released (both independently AND studio) but I don't make threads bashing people who like that and use it. Simple as that.

Just my two cents worth.
Posted: Sun, 25th Jun 2006, 7:51pm

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Although they might not be new to you, Star Wars fan films are msot likely new to the people making them. They just want to make them because they can. They can add lightsaber effects. It's just a cool thing to do. I don't tend to watch them much or make them, but I recently ahd an idea of somehow making a star wars episode 7 type of movie (don't steal my ieda unless its been done, then why didnt anyone tell me?!) having luke and his sister have force and stuff. But I might not just an idea.
Posted: Sun, 25th Jun 2006, 8:01pm

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How about this - who cares?

My first real movie was a Star Wars movie. I never posted it anywhere cause I didn't know how, but I sure as hell wanted to show it to people... why? Cause I was young and naive and thought it was the best thing in the world.

Did it win me awards? No
Did it get me recognition? No
Was it useful? YES

It was my first film, and it taught me how to make one. I was 13, and I really didn't have the capabilities to create an original concept, much less produce it. I knew nothing of the process.

Making a Star Wars film was the easiest most direct way to get me into filmmaking and most things I do today on set or whatever I learned from making that single movie.

We're not all as talented as you claim to be right off the bat.
Posted: Sun, 25th Jun 2006, 8:53pm

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Evman wrote:


It was my first film, and it taught me how to make one. I was 13, and I really didn't have the capabilities to create an original concept, much less produce it. I knew nothing of the process.

Making a Star Wars film was the easiest most direct way to get me into filmmaking and most things I do today on set or whatever I learned from making that single movie.

Ah...first film was a Star Wars film because he didn't know how to come up with an original concept or how to produce it.

Hey Hulkis...pay attention to Evman's post. He just proved my point (thanks Evman!)

Cheers!
Posted: Sun, 25th Jun 2006, 9:25pm

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wildstormfilms wrote:

make sure you use really hott chixs if your gonna make a Charmed fanfilm.
*falling over laughing*

That would be pretty interesting and yeah that probably should be a requisite.
Posted: Sun, 25th Jun 2006, 9:56pm

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What is the point of having a neon glow effect in effectslab if you don't use it for something?

StarWars are good tests for visual effects.
Posted: Mon, 26th Jun 2006, 2:40am

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I love the Star Wars Genre and although I have not done a SW Fan film, I have used this wonderful genre to get other people to join in a cause, abeit in a witty manner. I'm new to this forum but I finally used FXLab to create my lightsaber effect and to help me with a "Pleasantville effect" and I love it!

You can veiw my most current project at: http://www.g-man.net/HawaiianShirtFridays2006/HSR_2006.htm. It's my way of getting everyone on board with something.

Gman
Posted: Mon, 26th Jun 2006, 11:45am

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This debate comes up from time to time. The bottom line, for me, is that fanfilms aren't really intended to function like an ordinary film. They're aimed very specifically at fans and, even more importantly, they're made by fans. Fanfilms aren't made for a general audience, often the audience isn't even relevant - it's made simply because the filmmakers love the material and want to play around with it themselves.

I personally reckon there's two types of fanfilm. One is the utterly serious fanfilm, which attempts to remake the source material. Personally, I'm not a fan of these - they tend to be rather dreary, laboured affairs that often totally miss the point of the source (notice how the 'serious' Star Wars fanfilms drone on about The Force and Turning To the Dark Side etc etc, but totally forget about the main element of all 6 Star Wars movies: having fun).

The serious films I really don't get are the really high budget ones, when tons of money have been poured into creating them. Personally, I can't really imagine being a big enough fan of something to want to spend my money recreating it in a film that I can never properly distribute.

On the other hand, you have fanfilms that explore fandom itself, or which put a spoofy angle on things. I'm thinking TROOPS, George Lucas in Love, Batman: Dead End and It's Coming.

These tend to be very entertaining because they're about being a fan, rather than the source material itself. By twisting the source into a new form, they avoid direct comparison (which is where the 'serious' fanfilms fall down - they inevitably will never be as good as the Real Thing) and open up a fresh new angle.

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Posted: Mon, 26th Jun 2006, 1:16pm

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Well said Tarn.
Posted: Mon, 26th Jun 2006, 2:40pm

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A good Star Wars fanfilm without a major use of lightsabers (it appears for about 2 minutes total if that) is Jedi Heritage, made by Chris Brennan a.k.a. Darth Vader in Broken Allegiance and numerous other fanfilms.


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Posted: Mon, 26th Jun 2006, 9:05pm

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Great post Tarn smile.
Posted: Tue, 27th Jun 2006, 5:20am

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Tarn wrote:

I personally reckon there's two types of fanfilm. One is the utterly serious fanfilm, which attempts to remake the source material. Personally, I'm not a fan of these - they tend to be rather dreary, laboured affairs that often totally miss the point of the source (notice how the 'serious' Star Wars fanfilms drone on about The Force and Turning To the Dark Side etc etc, but totally forget about the main element of all 6 Star Wars movies: having fun).
you forgot stuff blowing up and amputation of limbs wink
Posted: Tue, 27th Jun 2006, 12:12pm

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Yeah some of them suck but who cares? The person who made them had fun fighting with his friend or what not with prop lightsabers. It's just fun to do and demeaning it and saying it's lame is right but not right.