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Posted: Fri, 21st Jul 2006, 9:58am

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Rating: +8

The official NightCast Television Trailer A
Muchos Gracias to everyone involved in making all this possible and again to the amazing FXhome community for all the support and help - I hope you enjoy it!

NightCast will arrive around January 07, so stay tuned!


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Posted: Fri, 21st Jul 2006, 10:55am

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Well Marco.......what can i say......this is a top class professional production trailer.....you get 5stars from me.
The finished product should do you all proud.

O'l Dav
Posted: Fri, 21st Jul 2006, 12:52pm

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Absolutely Fantastic. Amazing Visuals. Great Trailer.

Cant wait for the movie!
Posted: Fri, 21st Jul 2006, 1:48pm

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Great look. Great visuals (although the van explosion still looks a little dodgy but you have plenty of time until January to fix that).

Awesome music. You are SO lucky to have such a good composer. KEEP HIM at all costs.

Can't wait for the film!
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I'm going to buy Robin Hoffman.
Posted: Fri, 21st Jul 2006, 2:10pm

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Ii've just been through 16 composers for one project. When you find a good one, you keep him!
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JohnCarter wrote:

Ii've just been through 16 composers for one project. When you find a good one, you keep him!
I've got mine.

*looks to Holland*.

wink
Posted: Fri, 21st Jul 2006, 2:56pm

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Hey guys! Thanks for those kind words about the music. I really appreciate it!

If you wanna listen to the score alone here's a link to the mp3 file:

http://www.robin-hoffmann.com/RH_NC_Trailer.mp3

Greetings

Robin
Posted: Fri, 21st Jul 2006, 3:39pm

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Showtime, Gentlemen! 5
Posted: Fri, 21st Jul 2006, 4:41pm

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Excellent as usual. Great....everything. To point out one high point would be to distract from the others, so I won't.

Because this is striving to be on the professional level (which it nearly is), I'm going to nitpick one little thing. Around the 1:24 mark, there is someone firing an M-16. Nothing else is wrong with this shot save for the orange tip (or what appears to be an orange tip) on the gun barrel.

Overall, I love the quality.
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AWESOME!

The pacing is great, color and tone set the mood... Looking forward to January...


Edit: Sollthar, sorry my computer had the hiccups and I accidentally gave your 0 stars... I meant a 5 for it.... sad
Posted: Fri, 21st Jul 2006, 5:03pm

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I've removed the 0, so you can vote correctly now! smile
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This is awesome. Great visuals, look, costumes, music, sound, what can I say? You nailed it. I love your line that kicks off the fast pace stuff, well delivered and awesome. I hated your old intros, pretty good 3d but it was always too much and not perfect. Your new one is simple, clean, and good looking. The subtitles were not distracting, I found myself able to read them, and catch every frame of footage. I hate foreign films where I find myself concentrating on subtitles (usually fast languages like Spanish) so I can read them before they dissapear, but then I miss everything in the shot.

All of the actors really had character. Especially you, you make a great bad guy (I'm assuming your a bad guy based on the context of the trailer). All of the other antagonists were well cast too. The action scenes were awesome. The visuals were convincing, unlike the previous concepts and teasers. You really have made an amazing leap since Turicon, which wasn't all that long ago. Really inspiring. 5/5, near perfect trailer.

The only shot I did not like was when the hero was saying: "I need help", the back shot had weird depth where it made it look like he was matted or had a keyed background. It's hard to explain.
Posted: Fri, 21st Jul 2006, 5:46pm

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Tarn wrote:

I've removed the 0, so you can vote correctly now! smile
Thanks Tarn
Posted: Fri, 21st Jul 2006, 5:58pm

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AMAZING!!! I cant say it any better than that I look forward to the film. Good luck Marco biggrin!
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Awesome! I really can't wait till January. biggrin
Posted: Fri, 21st Jul 2006, 7:11pm

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fantastic!!!
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looks great man, looks like a real film

can't wait untill next year. Good trailer nice and simple, yet beautiful
Posted: Fri, 21st Jul 2006, 8:43pm

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There has to be one, sad it's me

I can't seem to play the file, always have this problem, is there anywhere else that has a non quicktime format I could watch it in.

I've tried to download quicktime update loads of times each time it says can't install sad
Posted: Fri, 21st Jul 2006, 8:50pm

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Thanks a lot everyone for your positive feedback! It's great to see the trailer is well received and your reactions give us the drive to continue the hard work. Good to know we're not completely off track. biggrin

Nothing else is wrong with this shot save for the orange tip (or what appears to be an orange tip) on the gun barrel.
Heh, yeah. That annoys me greatly. The guns actually had a red front, we sprayed it over with black paint. We also used some redish colored lights. And since the spray is more shiny then the rest of the gun, it seems to reflect the red light through which made the whole spraying thing pointless to begin with. crazy
Have to see if I can fix that in post somehow.

I hated your old intros, pretty good 3d but it was always too much and not perfect.
Heh, "hate" sounds so hard. But yeah, it's also funny for me to look through the old concept material since it's pretty far away from the actual film, both in style and narrative.

Thanks a lot for the praise Serpent! Cool to hear you liked it!

The only shot I did not like was when the hero was saying: "I need help", the back shot had weird depth where it made it look like he was matted or had a keyed background. It's hard to explain.
Hehe, interesting. The shot is untouched, apart from the grading. Probably cause the room we shot in was actually pretty huge, which gives that enormous depth in there. And the fact the lights were mainly illuminating the foreground.

(although the van explosion still looks a little dodgy but you have plenty of time until January to fix that)
Yeah, that's on my list to work on before full release.
Posted: Fri, 21st Jul 2006, 9:15pm

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How does one export a file into HD?
Posted: Fri, 21st Jul 2006, 9:17pm

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Er... what do you mean?
Posted: Fri, 21st Jul 2006, 9:18pm

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Rating: +1

Did you shoot in 24p?
Posted: Fri, 21st Jul 2006, 10:03pm

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Er, I honestly didn't mean hate. I disliked the city one that you used a couple of times, and I actually liked the green/stone spinny one. But they weren't pro 3d so it just felt amateurish. With 3d intros you really have to get it perfect for me. Sorry about that. smile
Posted: Fri, 21st Jul 2006, 10:05pm

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Ah, I know the shot you're talking about. That's actually still in the final film as the opening shot, allthough in a much more advanced way (That was like a previz version I used there - concept work)
Posted: Fri, 21st Jul 2006, 11:24pm

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Sollthar, you've probably said this, but what camera did you guys shoot on? And did you shoot in a frame mode or any sort, or just regular interlaced?
Posted: Fri, 21st Jul 2006, 11:28pm

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It was shot with the Sony FX1 HDV cam in regular interlace mode, then deinterlaced as the last step in post.

The FX1 has a "frame" mode, but it's the most terrible thing I've seen in a long time. smile
Posted: Fri, 21st Jul 2006, 11:32pm

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Yeah, but with a camera like the FX1, you dont really need to shoot in frame mode. It's such a lovely camera.


Sollthar also white balanced from his own shaven forehead during filming.

He is THAT good.
Posted: Fri, 21st Jul 2006, 11:36pm

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Really, that was an FX1? Because the past two movies I've seen from that camera have had extremely lackluster image and color quality. I guess my assumptions were wrong.

Cool trailer. I wasn't a huge fan of it because I thought alot of the shots could've used more contrast. I found the blacks to be more of a grey in many shots. This could be from the compression, though. I also liked your old intro better, I dunno, it just appealed more to me. The cinematography and editing in this was good, but I felt some shots were kept in the trailer because they "looked cool" without necessarily fitting in. I also liked the grading in most shots, but it was too harsh of a color wash in some. (the night shots with a purple color cast, I don't get why)

Still, cool trailer. 4/5
Posted: Fri, 21st Jul 2006, 11:38pm

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I felt some shots were kept in the trailer because they "looked cool" without necessarily fitting in
Surely a trailer is supposed to ... look cool?
Posted: Fri, 21st Jul 2006, 11:45pm

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Yes, but ultimately for it to be cool, the shots have to be a bit more selective and have a bit more of a flow. This had flow, it just wasn't as smooth as I thought it could've been. I liked the other Nightcast stuff over this.
Posted: Fri, 21st Jul 2006, 11:46pm

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The color quality of the cam is pretty good. Allthough, the colors have been hugely fiddled with in post anyways, so hardly an example of how the cam itself takes colors.

I thought alot of the shots could've used more contrast.
Haha, I ran a bet in the chatroom you'd say that. Thanks. smile

Since the movie is being prepared to be blown up on 35mm film, the full contrast width should be given after that process, otherwise it'll sink deep into the cinema screen if projected. You should only use a certain gradiant ratio as more contrast would simply result in loss of detail on a big screen. Not really what I'm going for. smile
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I understand what you're saying. As for the bet, it's not that I just love high contrast- which I really, really do- it's that you seldom see a true black in the trailer, it's mostly shades of grey. At least that's how it looks on my end.
Posted: Sat, 22nd Jul 2006, 12:00am

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ben3308 wrote:

it's that you seldom see a true black in the trailer, it's mostly shades of grey. At least that's how it looks on my end.
Sounds like a typical PC to me... All talk, no gamma... lol.

A lot of PCs are notoriously bad for handling colors.
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Yeah, each to his own.
I prefer shades of grey to pure black, especially when it comes to video and night aspects. The "pure black" grading would lose a lot of detail, especially seeing the main character is mainly a guy dressed in black.

I like images that keep details even in the darker areas. That's mainly why. I don't dig the high contrast look as much as you do.
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b4uask30male wrote:

There has to be one, sad it's me

I can't seem to play the file, always have this problem, is there anywhere else that has a non quicktime format I could watch it in.

I've tried to download quicktime update loads of times each time it says can't install sad
Couldn't see a reply, no worrie,s I'll catch it at my local cinema. unsure
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Oh, sorry about that Ian. Didn't even see your post. crazy

I haven't got another version then the three there. Can't really export to wmv on a mac (not that I wouldn't hate wmv anyways wink )

Hmm, maybe you'll get it to work? Or try it on a mates computer or something. sad
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Hmm, someone could try converting the medium quality trailer to WMV? I could do it, but I can't really upload anything on the 56kbit connection I'm currently using...smile
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OH Nightcast. How you make me want to buy a plain ticket to Switzerland, just so this American ass doesn't have to wait longer than he has to to see the film.

Oh yeah, 5.
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lol

You're seat in the front row will be warm and coasy my friend. wink
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Sollthar wrote:

I haven't got another version then the three there. Can't really export to wmv on a mac (not that I wouldn't hate wmv anyways wink )
Try Flip4Mac. That's what I use for watching and exporting WMV stuff.

Well it seems as if I'm one of the only ones that didn't love this trailer. A lot of the shots seemed to be out of place... and as this trailer is in a different level than most work here, a few of the effects weren't perfect. One thing I noticed watching it the first time around was sparks on the barrels... they looked fake. And one thing that just plain annoys me (and annoyed me in the Project One trailer) is the use of the overlayed fake blood, as seen in 00:01:31 of the trailer. Looks completey fake and is not realistic in the least. Also, as mentioned before, the van explosion caught my eye on the second viewing. All of these effects issues you have time to fix, which is good. But for the most part, I didn't like the flow of the trailer. As with Project One, the finished product looks like it'll have potential, but the trailer just isn't fantastic.

TimmyD
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John Carter is converting it for me, many thanks to him.
I've only seen 30 seconds so far due to him sending, but what i've seen looks really good, music i'm sure everyone agrees is tops.
I've got a fx1 and not used it yet so was looking forward to see what you have done with it.
Shame about the non english voices, but if that's all i can say bad about it then it's top marks from me. (can't wait to see the rest)

Put me down for a dvd copy.
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Veeery good, I liked it alot. I cant comment too much since I dont exactly know much about this project but from an external point of view it seems very tight and intreguing, with the strong visual action being balanced with the emotional interaction between the characters. The only criticism is that I didnt like the monster thing, haha but thats just me. Wicked trailer, 5 stars!!
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That was nice, what type of camera was used.
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That was nice, what type of camera was used.
The Sony HDR-FX1 was used for this movie, a really good HDV camcorder. smile
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Thanks for the comment TimmyD. No, the film isn't "perfect", you're right. I'm glad though this seems to be the most negative point, then I've done well enough. smile

Thanks also to everyone else for commenting!
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I understand what you're saying. As for the bet, it's not that I just love high contrast- which I really, really do- it's that you seldom see a true black in the trailer, it's mostly shades of grey. At least that's how it looks on my end.
Just as a note to people watching this trailer. It looks totally different on PC to how it does on the Mac, so to get what Sollthar sees you have to be running a Mac really.

All H.264 QuickTime encoded clips look better on the Mac with better contrast, detail and colour. The grading on this trailer looks slightly off at times on the PC but on the Mac its always very good.

This isn't Sollthars fault, every single HD trailer on QuickTime.com looks vastly better when played back on Mac equipment.

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Wow. What else is there to say? That looks amazing. I wasn't quite sure about the "monster" costume, though. Most of the scenes were a bit dark to make out the details, but was that an actual costume, or CGI or a combination of the two...? Fast moving trailer, lots of action and excitement. I hope I get to see the whole movie.
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This is certainly an ambitious project which tends to impress me regardless of any other factors involved..

Perhaps this particular brand of film doesn't carry the biggest appeal to me just due to personal preference...

But really, I've only seen the trailer, so I can't comment on the actual shot selection, acting, storyline etc..Suffice to say, even if this trailer didn't pique my interest, I'll probably watch this to see what you're able to accomplish as a filmmaker attemping such a feat.
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Amazing, despite being abit off of my taste of editing and grading....I still loved it. 3/5
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schwar wrote:

I understand what you're saying. As for the bet, it's not that I just love high contrast- which I really, really do- it's that you seldom see a true black in the trailer, it's mostly shades of grey. At least that's how it looks on my end.
Just as a note to people watching this trailer. It looks totally different on PC to how it does on the Mac, so to get what Sollthar sees you have to be running a Mac really.

All H.264 QuickTime encoded clips look better on the Mac with better contrast, detail and colour. The grading on this trailer looks slightly off at times on the PC but on the Mac its always very good.

This isn't Sollthars fault, every single HD trailer on QuickTime.com looks vastly better when played back on Mac equipment.
Erm. Actually that'd be the screen and color profile you're using. Has nothing to do with the OS. You have to calibrate your screen to get the contrast/color you're talking about, and it would be rather odd for Apple to cripple the PC Quicktime's quality.
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Actually PCs handle gamma and colors rather differently than Macs. it's not an OS thing, it's a hardware thing. PCs have notoriously bad gamma handling... It can be fixed but it usually requires expensive monitors and such and twiddling a lot of knobs... wink
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Hardware? The only hardware that could do that would be the Graphics card, or the monitor. It obviously isn't the GPU since the Mac either has integrated graphics or a X1600, which can both be found on the PC, and so must be the monitor...

Mac LCDs do indeed have great color reproduction and contrast and such, but the same can be found on PCs. You just have to pick the right one and do your reasearch.
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There are hardware issues and how the computer handles the color information. What I can tell you is that professionally, you don't use an out of the box PC for color correction because they are bad at handling colors. If you do, you need several tens of thousands of dollars worth of hardware cards and monitors while you can do the same with an out of the box mac G5.

PCs have bad gamma handling. The printing industry has been dealing with that problem for years. It's not a novelty, it's a fact and a well documented one.
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Hmm. Well seeing as you're in the right position to know that, I'll believe you, but I still don't get how that can be.
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i thought the trailer was really cool. but since no one else probably wont say it the only down side FOR ME was the costume, i dont know i just kinda thought it looked kinda fake. but who am i to judge.

4/5 great cant wait for the full film. will it be on fxhome or do we have to by it like project one and macbeth 3000
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will it be on fxhome or do we have to by it like project one and macbeth 3000
Talked to sollthar about this and he said that it would first and formost be released on cinemas in Switzerland and then later to be sold on DVD. Probably no release here on FXhome.com. Correct me if I'm completely wrong, Sollthar smile.
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Thanks for the comments everyone!

And thanks for enlightening me schwar / JC, I had no idea about the Mac/PC gamma thing. I always noticed my PC displaying images pretty different then my Mac, I just always assumed it was due to different settings on the monitor. Very interesting indeed.


NightCast isn't a "monster" really, he's a guy wearing a latex suit. The suit is in reality, just as in the film, entirely made of latex. I had to smile on the comment it looking "fake". That's film for you. Take a latex suit as a latex suit in the movie and some people will think it looks fake. Heh. Gotta love films. biggrin
Same thing happend to me with a location once, when I shot a scene at a proper police station and people complained it didn't look like a police station.



The Film won't be on the fxhome cinema, no. It'll be a proper release for the big screen, and then a proper DVD release sometime later. We can't give any exact dates as of yet, as we simply don't know them.

We'll probably produce a special edition just on sale on nccinema.ch before the film is released properly. Who knows. smile
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Hmm. Well seeing as you're in the right position to know that, I'll believe you, but I still don't get how that can be.
All the Macs do gamma correction in their graphics card and most PC's do not. Therefore when something looks good on your Mac, it will be too dark on your PC. I get that a lot when I send quicktimes to clients and they freak out because its too dark... LOL! Until they see it on their TV.

I don't know all the technical details (I'm just an editor, not a tech). But I know that PCs need a much more expensive card to be able to handle gamma correctly than what comes with it natively. That's one of the reasons why editors where sopissed when Avid went from Mac to PCs... The price quadrupled with even more hardware than before to handle what was standard on a Mac...

That being said, the grading of Sollthar's film looks fantastic on my Mac.

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Interesting... except my graphics control panel has options for Gamma, Contrast, Brightness, Color etc. Can't you just compensate with that?
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I don't know enough about PC settings to help you about this particular fact.

Here! I found a link that explains the problem - I think there is a fix in it somehwere:

http://www.cgsd.com/papers/gamma.html

From said document:

The idea of system gamma, is the gamma correction that should be applied in the software to reproduce an accurate image on the monitor for an uncorrected image on a particular computer "system."

Macintosh
The Macintosh has built-in gamma correction of 1.4. This means that after the software sends the signal to the framebuffer, there are internal hardware corrections which will further process the signal, specifically by gamma correcting it another 1.4 - That is, the signal is raised to the 1/1.4. Therefore, to get full correction, the software itself should first adjust the signal by raising it to the 1/1.8 power. (2.5/1.4 = 1.cool Thus the system gamma on a Macintosh is 1.8.

Suns and PCs
Suns and PCs have no standard hardware correction (although certain graphics cards for these platforms may) and therefore their system gammas are roughly 2.5.

Common graphics software such as Adobe Photoshop allows the user to set the gamma correction value they want. (In Photoshop it is found in Monitor Setup under Preferences under the File Menu.)
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A couple things I didn't care for too much is

1. Over use of digital doubles
2. Lack attention to the small things

-Over use of digital doubles
Of the at least 11 digital doubles in the trailer I noticed you used them for the big things like flying across a room from a heavy blow or falling down a sewage hole (I think that's what it was) or being hit by a massive object which is a good use for them, but I also noticed that you used digital doubles for the smallest things as well like falling over when being shot or when being jumped from behind.

-Lack attention to the small things
These are things like not removing the orange tip on the prop guns in some shots or not covering up the spring lever on the front of the magazine or using cg props instead of real ones.

I sense that you may of added more cgi that necessary in this project possibly because films with lots of awesome fx shots are very impressive but the shots in those films are usually done by many digital artists with years of experience with every tool needed at their finger tips, but when you don't have many people working on the vfx and can't afford the biggest and best tools, you must use your digital capabilities VERY CAREFULYL and no more than you need to. For the shot in the Vfx Anatomy on the Nightcast site of the guy (nightcast?) jumping on the train, you should of went out and used a real train car. When ever you are making shot like that, always use real props (or part of the actual prop) which the actor will come in contact with and it will look a hundred times better.

Never use CG just because you can unless you must and even then be VERY CAREFUL because the viewers will notice that something didn't look quite right in a shot of something like a guy falling over from being shot every single time. If you can't make the shot totally seamless digitally to the viewer then don't digitally make the shot. The top thing I would say that NCC's digital department must work on is it's character animation because it looks alright but doesn't seem to flow naturally.
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Thanks for the insights JoelM.

Not sure what Double you're talking about that is falling over or beeing shot. The doubles are only used for stuff we couldn't possibly do for real. Could you point that out?

Interesting you get the impression I use CG at places it doesn't have to be CG, I completely disagree of course. smile
As for the train thing... After 6 months of trying, we still fail at finding a train wagon for less then 5000 £ to shoot IN (as this is totally above the budget), finding a train wagon to shoot in top is absolutely impossible, we tried, trust me. Didn't want to do it CG at all, but had no choice.
I'm sure it's easier wherever country you live in, seems to be easier in every country then here.

If you can't make the shot totally seamless digitally to the viewer then don't digitally make the shot.
If I would work by that standard, then NightCast wouldn't even exist. People told us all the way that this film can't be done, would look dodgy etc. Fortunately, my working motto is different: "If you can't make the shot totally seamless, try to and hope some people will still enjoy." wink


I'll note the comment on my character animation. If I find the time, I'll continue to work on the big FX shots anyways. Our FX departement consists of the same guy who also does the editing and sounddesign and organising everything around the project, me.
So I hope to find the time needed to brush up the final touches as much as lies in my power.
If you want absolutely perfect VFX as in some Hollywood big budget movie, then NightCast won't be the film for you though, as this is simply not possible for one man to achieve.
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Erm. Actually that'd be the screen and color profile you're using. Has nothing to do with the OS. You have to calibrate your screen to get the contrast/color you're talking about, and it would be rather odd for Apple to cripple the PC Quicktime's quality.
You need to think a bit before you leap in with statements like this Pooky.

Macs and PC have different default settings for colour profiles and gamma which is DIRECTLY to do with the OS. Most of what you see on the screen is directly to do with the OS and how it controls the graphics card etc.

Apple could have made QuickTime Player account for these standard gamma differences on the PC by default to give a similar image on both systems (or maybe that is what it tries to do but it just gets it wrong most of the time).

Either way, the result is that the actual colour value output from the decoder on the Mac and the PC is very different. If you take a raw screenshot of the same movies played back on both systems the image is different.


Mac image


Windows image


Difference image

All QuickTime stuff runs better on the Mac and several functions inside QuickTime Player are better (play full screen tends to always be very smooth where it can be randomly jerky on the PC depending what resolution it is trying to scale to).

Very high resolution H.264 plays back smoothly on Macs which are much lower spec than PCs where the playback stutters.

Its not so amazing that Apple wants one of its best technologies to be better on the Mac OS.

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Thats why ben and atom love high contrast so much... Maybe they're actually PC's? eh
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I agree with Joel in principal - that is to say, using CG for the sake of CG is pointless. I'd also agree that when using CG, it has to be near-perfect or not used at all but thats just obvious really - and besides, this isn't a big-budget movie. For Nightcast its a case of "needs must". Theres simply no alternatives when you're limited so much by facilities, manpower and money.

Other than my agreement in principal however, Joel appears to have more opinions than facts razz I'd appreciate the timecode for where the orange muzzle tips are, for example. And as sollthar has pointed out - digital doubles weren't used for people falling over razz

Anyway, i hope the trailer does well in its Swiss TV scheduled (in itself an awesome feat negating anything bad anyone has to say razz).
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Whoa, those images are pretty mad schwar. crazy


Heh, thanks for jumping in xcession. smile

Yeah, a lot of the CG was forced CG because the budget/manpower wouldn't allow no different. I would have loved using real guns with blanks, using proper rigs and wires (we actually tried and it worked, but it would have doubled the films budget), using a real train or a real tank... But with a film budgeted at 20'000 $ and shot by a team of 3 to 5 and entirely postproducted by 2 people (plus Robin scoring) much is simply impossible to do.

Of course, that's not an "excuse", merely an "explanation". NightCast is no Hollywood production, it's a full on nobudget independent film mainly driven by two crazy people. wink


And with that CG statement, that's a bit more complicated then that. I notice on JoelM's page, that his first image is a CG city Explosion. Surely, you could just take a picture of a real city and put some explosives in there? wink
But we all know, it's not always as simple as that.
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Great one Solthar, as always... But this one is one step higher....

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Thank you very much shadu!
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Never use CG just because you can unless you must and even then be VERY CAREFUL because the viewers will notice that something didn't look quite right in a shot of something like a guy falling over from being shot every single time
You and George Lucas should meet up.
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Schwar - yeah JohnCarter already cleared that up and it appears it actually has to do with an extra process in the frame buffer of the graphics card. Macs have better out-of-the-box gamma/color settings, obviously, since Apple build their own machines and thus can set them themselves because they already know what the screen and the graphics card is.

That's what I was saying, that I corrected this myself in Adobe Gamma and in my screen properties (there are sites that help you get it right with reference images and whatnot). As for Quicktime working better on the Mac, I'm fairly sure that's because of poor coding since my computer has trouble playing back 480p H.264 yet can play back 1080p WMVHD flawlessly.

Anyway, when I play back that trailer it looks exactly like the Mac image you posted.
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Anyway, when I play back that trailer it looks exactly like the Mac image you posted.
That's because I've programmed it to look awesome on every computer except for Ben's and Atoms... Just to annoy them. biggrin
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Hahaha... well I was talking about TMNT wink
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So was I wink
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Xcession wrote:

I'd appreciate the timecode for where the orange muzzle tips are, for example.
00:01:24;25.

I only caught it the third time watching.
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Yeah, that's the clip I've talked about, where I have to correct the color in post.
Which is actually the red spotlight reflected from the black spray we used to spray the red tips - making it almost worse then before... Hehehe.

There's a couple more of those, where the red lights were close enough.
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Amazing! Just got around to watching it. 5/5 for sure. Great job Sollthar!razz
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What's with the name?

NightCast?
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Thank you Filmfreak!

What's with the name?
Don't know, what's with it?
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Wow, this really looks like a high budget block buster, I'm really impressed. Good Job.
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Sollthar wrote:

Not sure what Double you're talking about that is falling over or beeing shot.
I apologize for saying that, it appears I'm mistaken. confused

For a project like this to have just one person working on all the fx shots is a real accomplishment! I congratulate you!
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Firstly, I have to say, Marco you make one sinister looking villian.

As with your previous offerings I'm once again impressed with your eye for composition. The color correction seems to almost glow as if in representation of some virtual reality. I love that. It's very stylistic.

The sets look %100 convincing. The computer CG scene was really cool.

Man, I always feel like a bit of a tool when I comment on your stuff because it's hard to be critical. You've taken this type of low budget film making to it's apex! Thanks for wrecking the curve for the rest of us.

In all seriousness, fantastic work. I can't wait until I can order my copy!

Regards,
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I mean "NightCast"... what's the meaning behind it?

We know why Batman is Batman, we know why Spider-man is Spider-man or why X-men are X-men...

but why is NightCast NighCast?
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Klut wrote:

Mostly, when I see trailers as good as this, I get a small erection... =p

But this was (erection*43)³
As you can see, this was so good I could only describe it with math, and not words.

Might have to visit Switzerland when it's out...
Enough Said.
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I have been following your work since the begining and i think that you are making a really good work in every aspects. But is one thing that i cannot understand is why have you made some trailers before in english and now this trailer is in german. That means the movie will be out in german...??????

Continue with the good work
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Great work! The titles remind me of "Darkman". The trailer is very stylized, very professional, lighting is good. The sets are very authentic-looking and the effects are not overdone. There is a tendency in independent film making to just throw an effect out there just to prove it can be done. But you put the effects in just the right place. Kudos!
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Thank you all so much for the encouraging words, it means a lot to us and it'll keep us running for the next months until the film is done!

And I'll take the fact into my grave I gave Klut an erection... wink


The history behind the name "NightCast" is quite funny. I couldn't come up with a name, so I made a topic here in fxhome for name suggestions. The user MidnightJester came up with the name "NightCast" and I immedeately fell in love with it because it suits the character so well.
He is a cast of the night in physical, philosophical and psychological sense. So I stuck with it. smile



The german/english thing was due to the budget collapsing shortly before production. The original script was in english and the film was planned to be shot in english. We worked with producers who promised us the money we needed and well, they lied. When all this fell apart, we had to switch to german because we couldn't afford flying in native english speaking actors and I didn't want people to have weird accents.

So yes, the final movie will be in german original with english subtitles, probably an english dubbed version too at some time, we don't know yet.
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When I watch anything by you, I compare it to something I would see in the theater, I consider your stuff pro. With that in mind, I still think you chose your actor to play "Nightcast" poorly. He does not move forcefully enough. The way he carries himself- he wouldn't scare anybody. Awesome composition and lighting. Also a wise move removing that cheesy head tilt in the water reflection seen in the last one.

Looking forward to the feature!
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He does not move forcefully enough.
That's the point for most of the film. He moves more like a drunk drug addict for most of the story, because NightCast just isn't the elegant or consciously powerful superhero. That's not the way I envisioned him at all. smile
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I guess when I saw him busting through walls and picking up and throwing guys, I got the vibe that he was supposed to be a farily powerful fellow, not some drunk druggie dude. I'll save forming any more opinions for the feature.
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Yeah, my own main gripe with the Trailer (most trailers really). It reduces story and character to such a minimum it's hardly comparable with the full feature.

NightCats is very strong, he's also very fast, if he wants to - if he focuses enough. Mainly though, he's absolutely uncontrolled and kind of dizzy.
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Rating: +6

Sollthar wrote:

NightCats is very strong, he's also very fast, if he wants to
And just for anyone else who can't wait, here's another image from the ambush scene in NIGHTCATS


wink
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This film looks great to me, my computer sucks right now because of a virus so its hard to download things but I was still able to watch this and I will for sure see this film when its done.
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Ya know, to be honest...I'm just not feeling it...I know its a trailer too and won't show the fullness of it
It's something I've wanted to say but never really got the guts to say and I'm probably going to get killed for it.
The cinematography, fx, everything is just magnificent, but the story seems a little to cheesy for me. Just not something I'm feeling....
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Big Kahuna wrote:

It's something I've wanted to say but never really got the guts to say and I'm probably going to get killed for it.
Come on, this is FXhome.com! Nobody gets 'killed' here for voicing their opinion. smile

The cinematography, fx, everything is just magnificent, but the story seems a little to cheesy for me. Just not something I'm feeling....
I suspect the trailer portrays the story as more basic than it actually is - I've heard from sollthar that there's a lot more character and plot subtleties in the actual film than was possible to squeeze into this trailer.
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Hehe, don't worry Kahuna. Your perfectly fine not to like it if you want. In the end, every movie appeals to a certain target audience and not everyone can be part of it. I perfectly understand, there are many films out there that just don't appeal to me.
That's the way it works. smile

Maybe you'll like the full film and give it a chance, maybe you decide not to. That's entirely up to you and I'm sure no one is going to kill you for either. wink
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by the way..
What's the "Gross: 34309 dollars" thing ?

Is it

1 view = 1 dollar

or

1 view = 7-10 dollars, as it would be if one saw it in the theaters?

I know it doesnt have anything to do with the NC-trailer...but...
i sense most of you know.
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1 view = 10 dollars
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I keep getting a "a bad public movie atom was found in the movie. Whats that all about? I've downloaded this about 3 times now.
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Hm, sounds evil... smile

I've had that complaint from 3 people so far, including you. They all tried it on another PC and it worked fine. I have no idea what a bad movie atom is or why it exists or what it does... sorry. crazy
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Atom + Public = Bad.
It's basic knowledge. smile

No idea why it's coming up in the teaser, though.
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Hehehehehe

I suspect you just don't want people to watch my trailer. Admit it! wink
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As I said earlier, I really liked the trailer. Now, when I'm back using my broadband connection I could watch it for the 1st time in HD and I just must say: awesome! Any chance of the teaser trailer hitting the FXhome cinema in HD anytime soon wink?
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wildstormfilms wrote:

I keep getting a "a bad public movie atom was found in the movie. Whats that all about? I've downloaded this about 3 times now.
I just started up a brand new PC last night, downloaded the trailer, and got the "bad public atom" thing. I upgraded Quicktime to whatever the current (free) version is, and then was able to watch the trailer without any problem. So I think "bad public atom" is a secret code that means "you need a newer version of Quicktime". (I don't know what version of QT was installed initially, and to be honest, don't even know what version I just updated it to.)

By the way, to my very untrained, unsophisticated eyes, the trailer looked great and very professional. I continue to be amazed at what determined people can accomplish with affordable, consumer-oriented software, computers, and cameras.

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looks pretty good!
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NICE! That looks like what you would see on TV. You could probably make some bank$ with that!
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Thanks. I hope so, cause that's the idea. NightCast cost quite a lot to make (a lot for a private person, ridicolously little for a feature still)
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Looks awesome. The subtitles were slightly hard to read on occassion because they overlapped a white area in the scene, but that's all to complain about!

Also, are you going to put this on DVD?
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Yeah, the film will be out on DVD somewhen next year we suppose. No idea about exact release dates yet though.
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ur my idol solthar!
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hey sollthar, where did you get that music? (The one that starts after the guy says, "Show time gentlemen!")

i think i've heard it before, in the Lord of the rings the fellowship of the ring movie trailer.
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I doubt you've heard it before. smile

The music is an original piece of work specifically composed for this trailer by the exceptional Robin Hoffmann, who is also writing the score for the final film this very moment.

http://www.robin-hoffmann.com
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I don't understand anything I just saw. It seemed more like a special effect extravaganza. The trailer didn't explain anything. Why do they call him NightCast? Why is this film propagating that smoking is cool? What is the story line? Why do people want to kill him? Did the serum turn him into an alien? Why didn't it turn the other guy who wanted to take it into an alien? The movie looks ridiculous. The special effects are good though, I can tell a lot of work was put into them. Unfortunately, effects cannot save a bad plot. Ask George Lucas.
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Why is this film propagating that smoking is cool?
Heh, thanks for that, that made me smile. biggrin


Unfortunately, effects cannot save a bad plot. Ask George Lucas.
I agree wholeheartedly.
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Why is this film propagating that smoking is cool?
Because smoking IS cool! Duh!
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Heh, on a more serious note, I'm a non-smoker myself Giggity and I don't support smoking. Not in any way. smile

I do see where all your other questions come from as this is in fact mostly an action trailer with reduced look on the plot (As mentioned before, I had a hard time reducing the plot to the basics and I'm myself not 100% happy with the outcome), but I found that smoking comment pretty funny.
The "There is a guy smoking in the film, so this film most propagate smoking is cool" deduction is hilariously simplistic, that's why it made me laugh.
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I don't understand anything I just saw. It seemed more like a special effect extravaganza. The trailer didn't explain anything. Why do they call him NightCast? Why is this film propagating that smoking is cool? What is the story line? Why do people want to kill him? Did the serum turn him into an alien? Why didn't it turn the other guy who wanted to take it into an alien? The movie looks ridiculous. The special effects are good though, I can tell a lot of work was put into them. Unfortunately, effects cannot save a bad plot. Ask George Lucas
Whoa? Ok, first off it's a trailer, there's only so much you can reveal in a short amount of time. Your asking all these questions to what's happening. Watch the movie then you'll know. It's rude of you to mention about the plot being bad before you have even watched the full film. If the plots up to par with the effects there should be something very special here, no? Btw as for your George Lucas opinion I like George's work, if you have his number i'll ask him.
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No need for a defense ashman, allthough thank you for jumping in. smile

A trailer is supposed to show basically what a film is about, to give reasons to watch it. Therefore it should answer basic questions, but also raise questions - otherwise you have no reason to watch the film. If someone really doesn't get anything he's just seen and has more questions then answers, then the trailer failed for them and they will assume, the plot is bad - which is of course a completly unfunded conclusion, but yet one I'd say we all do when we watch trailers - we jump to conclusions on the final film. Sometimes we're right, sometimes we're wrong.


And my very low opinion of George Lucas as a writer/director is well known, so I'll shut up on that topic. biggrin
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And my very low opinion of George Lucas as a writer/director is well known, so I'll shut up on that topic.
Ah yes, I remember. Our first conversation was about Lucas/Paul W Anderson. I still stand by Lucas being a good director. Although Star Wars is a bad example of his directing. razz

But we won't go there again. Well maybe in chat wink
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Author: Sollthar 17 Aug 2006 11:33

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I doubt you've heard it before.

The music is an original piece of work specifically composed for this trailer by the exceptional Robin Hoffmann, who is also writing the score for the final film this very moment.

http://www.robin-hoffmann.com



actually i think i have right here, http://www.movie-list.com/l/lotr-1-trl.html
right after gandlaf says, "They Are Coming!" it sounds like the same music that is played when the guy in your trailer says "Show time gentlemen!"
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is this the non english version or is it mixed?
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Insane12 said:
is this the non english version or is it mixed?
Sollthar said:
So yes, the final movie will be in german original with english subtitles, probably an english dubbed version too at some time, we don't know yet.
wink
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lol that whould be pretty cool if it was mixed of english and german
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there was a part in the trailer where the guy says "it's showtime gentlemen" in english but i'm not sure if that is how you say it in german or if it is english confused

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That track in the LotR Trailer is called "Gothic Power" Vito Corleone. So again, no. The track in the trailer is original and you have not heard it before. Actually, I don't even hear much similarities.


"Showtime, Gentleman" is english, yes, but is something you can easily say in german, because it's an expression that has made it's way into the german language too.
(Similar to the german words "Kindergarten", "Gesundheit", "Rucksack", which are commonly used in the english language)
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Ah! i see now wink but still a #1 trailer so far and i can't wait for the film
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thanks
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HA!! I was finally able to view the trailer. I can't wait to watch the whole film. I also like the gal in the towel. Please tell me she is single lol cool
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Thank you Wildstorm and B3N!
(And yes, at the moment, she's indeed single as far as I know wink )



I've updated the files, seeing I found out they were wrongly graded, heh. I had my monitor setup wrongfully all the time, so had to regrade everything.

It is far less blurry now plus it has more contrast (ben and atom should be happy) biggrin
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Sollthar wrote:

Thank you Wildstorm and B3N!
(And yes, at the moment, she's indeed single as far as I know wink )
Hmmmm..... excellent...... cool

As for the color grading, I really didn't notice but thats probably because I downloaded the low quality trailer, but none the less, the film looks awesome! smile

Hey man, would it be ok if I advertise this film over at Matthawkins.co.uk with a link to the download page located here at FXhome?
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Hey man, would it be ok if I advertise this film over at Matthawkins.co.uk with a link to the download page located here at FXhome?
Oh, thanks! Yes of course. That'd be very cool. Thank you. *bows* smile

As for the color grading, I really didn't notice but thats probably because I downloaded the low quality trailer
It's funny. Depending on how you have your monitor set up, it may look pretty similar except for the blurry part.
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Here are some questions from one of the users over at Matthawkins,

What did the guy film it on?
What was his budget?
Is this for television?
or is he attempting to get distribution?
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What did the guy film it on?
It was actually a girl that filmed most of it. wink
It was filmed with a Sony HDR FX-1 throughout. Not special gear attached (unfortunately, we wanted to get a 35mm adapter, but that didn't work out)

What was his budget?
The cashbudget was 25'000 $, including the camera and two computers to edit it plus budget for trying to get the film funded, which failed - we got screwed by a producer.
So the money to actually film the piece is at about 10'000 $

Is this for television? Or is he attempting to get distribution?
This if for proper distribution, first aimed at local theatres, then internationally on DVD, then TV. While negotiations haven't even really started yet, the film has already found interested distributors in a couple of countries.



And no, the plot is not the same as Robocop, allthough undeniably influenced by it. wink
The three main influences, if you shred it down to key elements, are Darkman (main characters are similar in some ways, utterly different in others), RoboCop (some main plot elements are very similar, most subplots are entirely different) and Spawn (Spawn only visually in certain areas, plotwise, it has no similarities except the "burned hero" factor).

So the film is indeed a wild mixture of my favorite B-Movies with a very different focus though. I'm not claiming to have reinvented the wheel. The film is taking what is there in gerne, and hopefully add something new to it with the combination. smile
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i thought it was great.
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Would it be ok if I post this trailer on my youtube account? I can't wait for the full movie.
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Sollthar wrote:

I've updated the files, seeing I found out they were wrongly graded, heh. I had my monitor setup wrongfully all the time, so had to regrade everything.

It is far less blurry now plus it has more contrast (ben and atom should be happy) biggrin
Ah, man! I know I'm about a half a month late, but it's much better now!
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Thanks Ben! I actually had a wrong output value on my gamma settings and didn't figure it out until I've watched a Test DVD on some different TV.


Thanks U2ForNow! Of course you can, I'd be delighted. smile
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I'm desperate for you tp finish this film, because THE TRAILER IS AWSOME! 5/5
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Super! I was seriously impressed there! What' else to say?! 5/5
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Looks just fabulous! biggrin

Very very impressive. Great work there Sollthar! wink
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This movie looks awesome. Just wish i could do Computer animation sad