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Posted: Thu, 27th Jul 2006, 4:26pm

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im thinking of purchasing some products from fxhome soon and i would like to know what some users think. Im planning on getting both compositelab and effectslab, but are the pro versions worth the extra 40$ each? Or should i save for the reallly expensive visionlab just to get some extra features. Im not going to make professional movies, just ones for fun and for freinds. Any suggestions?
Posted: Thu, 27th Jul 2006, 4:43pm

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Get VisionLab and be done with it! biggrin

One program, ALL the presets, FREE Updates.
Posted: Thu, 27th Jul 2006, 5:13pm

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I know but i dont have like $600. And in the demos the playback was really laggy does that happen in the full versions?

Also with the pro versions can you sell you movies but you credit fxhome? not with visionlab though.

Do you have to pay for the pro version updates?

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Posted: Thu, 27th Jul 2006, 5:18pm

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First, what are the specs of your computer?

Second, if you are not doing a preview render, and try to play the clip within the timeline, it will be laggy because it's not rendering first for full playback. Try rendering out as a .mov or .avi (whichever you imported as) and see if the lag still exists.

Thirdly, I know it's $600, but I have to tell you, it's the best money I have spent for a product, FREE updates, and community support. I'm a member of a few boards, but this is the one I frequent and participate the most.

But that aside, what do you want more? Effects or Compositing? I think within that question, you'll find your answer to what you want/need.

And no, I'm not a moderator, or staff member, and I don't get commission for getting you to buy a product. I'm a user just like you. biggrin

Armageddon1212 wrote:

Do yuo have to pay for the pro version updates?
If you mean upGRADES then Yes

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Posted: Thu, 27th Jul 2006, 5:26pm

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Well im trying to get my stuff on my laptop because my comp is very old. I use windows movie maker to do the basic editing and such.

I gotta dell inspiron b130 with xp home. 1695 mhz processor, i dont know the rest really.


I want to get visionlab also because i can make awesome cut scenes for games ive been working on.

So your updates are free forever? and ever?

What do you get more then the features of composite and effects?


PS Could you loan me $600 biggrin
Posted: Thu, 27th Jul 2006, 5:48pm

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I think that it is a ripoff that you have to pay $300 more for free updates and a few filters. They should update the pro versions free too for people like me who who cant have a job(yet). You have to pay 150 $ already then who knows how much for each update.
Posted: Thu, 27th Jul 2006, 5:50pm

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Well, it would help to know how much Ram you have on your laptop. That is a factor.

Updates are free for now. I don't think they claim that it will be free FOREVER, but one way to help them is get the word out, link them on your website, so more people know.

As far as the features, they are in detail on the products page.

Loan Denied due to lack of collatoral. wink
Posted: Thu, 27th Jul 2006, 5:53pm

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Armageddon1212 wrote:

I think that it is a ripoff that you have to pay $300 more for free updates and a few filters. They should update the pro versions free too for people like me who who cant have a job(yet). You have to pay 150 $ already then who knows how much for each update.
I'm not quite sure what you're talking about here. All the updates to our programs are free to existing users. Some of our recent updates have even added major new features (check some of the recent news articles).
Posted: Thu, 27th Jul 2006, 5:56pm

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Armageddon1212 wrote:

I think that it is a ripoff that you have to pay $300 more for free updates and a few filters. They should update the pro versions free too for people like me who who cant have a job(yet). You have to pay 150 $ already then who knows how much for each update.
I'm HOPING you are talking about "in general" (to similar products) and not FXHome products.

And given that from your statement, I assume you are too young to have a job, but what puzzles me is that you argue that the software is too expensive, yet people your age have NO PROBLEM securing a Playstation, XBOX and the like.

And if you worked as hard as the FXHome team for this developing software, you'd be foolish to make it "freeware."

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Posted: Thu, 27th Jul 2006, 5:59pm

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Whew. Tahts a load off my mind. Now i can only spend 300 $ instead of 600. Thanks for the help guys. Now i have to decide what i want first, Greenscreen or special effects crazy
Posted: Thu, 27th Jul 2006, 6:19pm

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VisionLab is mainly the software solution for professionals. If you're not one of those then the "Pro" products are probably more your thing. "Lite" is just a solution for people with absolutely no money and is therefore only able to do everything really basically. No one with ambition should get "Lite". Anyone wanting to do anything reasonably cool and doing it well, should get "Pro" really.

And yes, all updates for all FXHome programs are free, within the same version. For example EffectsLab 1.0, 1.01, 1.02, 1.1, 1.2, etc to 1.9 is free. EffectsLab 2 will have a discounted upgrade price for EffectsLab 1 users.
Posted: Thu, 27th Jul 2006, 6:31pm

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Which do you think you use more/is more useful.

1. Greenscreening/bluescreening,filers, and cloning/splitscreening

or

2. Special effects,muzzleflashes,particles,etc.


also i tried rendering and it was laggy too. crazy

Is there a tutorial for cloning/splitscreening
Posted: Thu, 27th Jul 2006, 6:38pm

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Well i can't possibly predict what *you're* going to find more useful, but i think on the whole, judging by the number of "how do i do X?" questions we get on this forum, the answer is most frequently a technique only possible with CompositeLab.

EffectsLab is great for children messing around in the back garden with fake guns or lightsabers, but it gets old really quickly and you're naturally very limited to the kind of film you're going to make. The most effective, most useful, most cool post production effects are done with compositing - hence CompositeLab.

Of course if you want to do both guns and compositing, VisionLab is by far the best solution.
Posted: Thu, 27th Jul 2006, 6:52pm

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I am going to get both in time but ill probobly get the effectslab pro first because i dont have room in my house for a green screen right now. razz Thanks for all the insight everyone even though im ending up getting what i was going to before. smile
Posted: Thu, 27th Jul 2006, 6:56pm

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As far as the "laggy" rendering goes, your computer is inadequate for almost everything regarding digital video, so i wouldn't expect any FXHome products (which are naturally graphically intensive) to work at their full potential.

With any software that demands large amounts of processing and image manipulation, beefy proper computers (not laptops) are always a big help. If you can't afford one of those then at least 1GB of ram is a good start.
Posted: Thu, 27th Jul 2006, 7:31pm

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Will working on it and saving it even though i am not able to view it at its full potential, effect the outcome? Will the saved movie play slowly even tho other videos play fine?
Posted: Thu, 27th Jul 2006, 7:44pm

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"Saving", in the context of FXHome products, only means saving the project file (info about where your effects are placed, in every frame). "Rendering" is the process of finishing your movie, applying the effects to your source footage and creating a new "rendered" movie file (avi/qt) with the effects applied.

Rendering, even on a slow computer will create exactly the same outcome (by which i assume you mean "rendered movie file") regardless of your computer's speed; the rendering process will just be slower.

Furthermore, if you are rendering to an uncompressed format (without any additional compression like DivX, mp4 etc) then the 'outcome' movie file will be huge and your computer will undoubtedly struggle to play that in Windows Movie Player, or Quicktime without spluttering. It depends on the dimension of your footage though.

In addition to this though, FXHome products make a temporary render of all the frames as you work on them, allowing you to quickly move through the project and get a good idea of how things will look in the final movie. This means your computer is constantly rendering something, even if you haven't actually clicked the final "Render" button to export your footage.

The time it takes to do each of these temporary renders, depends on the quality settings of the effects, the number of effects in use on any one frame and obviously the speed of your computer. To speed up the temporary rendering time as you move through the project, you can change the quality settings of the effects on the screen. This does not effect the final render settings though.
Posted: Thu, 27th Jul 2006, 11:02pm

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I'd say buy CompositeLab Pro. That way, you can composite in any stock footage and whatnot to your movie, as well as do greenscreening. It's a great place to start.

Granted, you won't be able to do particles, and you won't have the muzzle flash syste, (an asset!), but you'll have some of the rudimentary stuff. I see the EL line as more of a package to get later on, and the CL line as the base package to be a sort of springboard for the world of digital FX.

I dunno, I'm just rambling here, but I think you should get CompositeLab Pro first. Best idea.
Posted: Fri, 28th Jul 2006, 7:52am

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The only potential tricky bit with CompositeLab for beginners is that it does require having other assets - ie, you need to have footage with which to composite, be it stock footage or stuff you've filmed yourself.

With EffectsLab, you can film a quick thing in your backyard, load it up and stick on a lightsword in just a few seconds. smile

EffectsLab is the more instantly 'fun' program, I'd say. But, y'know, they're both brilliant, so it's difficult to choose. wink
Posted: Fri, 28th Jul 2006, 9:16pm

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If i use a camcorder to tape the footage is the quality always gunna be crappy or does CL pro kinda make it better quality if needed?with filters too?

And when getting a green screen does it need to be a certain shade or color of green? because i don't think it would matter.

And can you compress it when you render with CL pro?

Is the big white x across the film only for the demo in higher qualities?

Sorry for all the questions at once but i just want to know if the product is right for me. smile
Posted: Fri, 28th Jul 2006, 9:24pm

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If i use a camcorder to tape the footage is the quality always gunna be crappy or does CL pro kinda make it better quality if needed?with filters too?
You can't just magically make your video quality better. If your video quality sucks, there's not much CompositeLab can do about it. CompositeLab uses its filters to alter colors and visual look of your footage.

And when getting a green screen does it need to be a certain shade or color of green?
Getting a chroma green will allow for the easiest keying but CompositeLab makes it possible for you to key different shades of green.

And can you compress it when you render with CL pro?
Yes.

Is the big white x across the film only for the demo in higher qualities?
The demo versions render with a big white X on the footage, there is no white X when you render from the full versions.

Hope this helps. smile
Posted: Fri, 28th Jul 2006, 9:30pm

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Harvey wrote:

You can't just magically make your video quality better. If your video quality sucks, there's not much CompositeLab can do about it. CompositeLab uses its filters to alter colors and visual look of your footage.
Grading can always improve footage, but only by so much. So if you have poor footage to begin with, you can make it less poor, but it'll always be a bit poor. smile Similarly, it can make good footage into great footage.

For an example of how grading can help to enhance low-medium quality, check out this tutorial:

http://fxhome.com/support/tutorials/view.php?i=41
Posted: Fri, 28th Jul 2006, 9:56pm

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Thats what i meant like making it blend more smoothly and making it seem like its not filmed from a camcorder razz


Do you have an example of chroma green?
Posted: Fri, 28th Jul 2006, 10:25pm

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Ah I thought you meant if your footage was terrible, could CompositeLab make it look good and that's what my answer was for. But yes, CompositeLab can make good footage look great as Tarn said.

Chroma key green is similar to this:
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thanks! Im going to a fabric store soon maybe so ill print that out to match it up. Thanks!
Posted: Sat, 29th Jul 2006, 1:59am

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BTW Do Fxhome ever have sales or special deals? biggrin
Posted: Sat, 29th Jul 2006, 9:37am

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Armageddon1212 wrote:

thanks! Im going to a fabric store soon maybe so ill print that out to match it up. Thanks!
Bear in mind that an image like that will look slightly different on every screen, and print out slightly differently on every printer. smile

If you ask for 'chroma green', any decent store should know what you're on about. However, you don't specifically need to get chroma green, as that can be very expensive. Just go for a normal green that looks the same, but doesn't have the expensive name tag. smile
Posted: Sat, 29th Jul 2006, 4:45pm

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has there ever been any special offers of sales fron fxhome?
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Our software is the least expensive around really so there won't be any sales happening any time soon.
Posted: Sat, 29th Jul 2006, 5:04pm

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ok razz It was worth a try. If i ever get visionlab does it only have free updates to ver 1.9999 etc. too?

And you can make money from it also by selling your movies?

Im thinking now about what garrison said about getting it over with by buying visionlab so i might get money out of my savings account (400 isnt that much i hope). Maybe donations from freinds who wanna do this alot. This question inside my head of waht to get ahs been killing me because i know that making movies and everyones reactions to them gives me a sense of accomplishment just like making video games. Movie cutscenes would be awesome too.

^sorry for the personal stuff biggrin


EDIT: Also when doing greenscreening can you move the greenscreen clip around? Like if u taped a person on a greensceen floor and he was move so then you cud give the illusion thats he flying with out him having to move about. So is moving or scaling it possible?
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Yep, all version updates until 2.0 are free.

You can actualy make money from movies made with any of the products. You are simply required to include a credit for the software if you use any product other than Vlab.

As far as greenscreening; once you have keyed the green out, you will just have your actor in front of whatever background you choose. From there you can move, rotate, or scale him however you choose. You can animate him boucing around off the sides of the screen if you want to.
Posted: Sat, 29th Jul 2006, 6:16pm

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hahah! I can Imagine that! Thanks!
Posted: Sat, 29th Jul 2006, 6:36pm

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Armageddon1212 wrote:

This question inside my head of waht to get ahs been killing me because i know that making movies and everyones reactions to them gives me a sense of accomplishment just like making video games.
I can relate to this statement. Before finding FXHome products, I never really thought I'd actually start to plan and shoot stuff until I found tools that were within my grasp financially. Now finding this software, it has helped bring some of my imaginations to the TV.

Whatever you decide on getting, it WILL be, bar none, the best money you spent. wink
Posted: Sat, 29th Jul 2006, 7:48pm

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ok even though ill have to give up a new computer im going to shoot for the visionlab! Wish me luck!
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where to get 500 $ from. sad I wil lhave 50 soon and 100 from a freind. Lbiggrin
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Axeman wrote:

You can animate him boucing around off the sides of the screen if you want to.

Armageddon1212 wrote:

hahah! I can Imagine that!
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Armageddon1212 wrote:

where to get 500 $ from. sad I wil lhave 50 soon and 100 from a freind. Lbiggrin
You can upgrade for a special price at any time after you purchase your product, so you can get the products one at a time and recieve a discount. Since I own CL: Pro and EL: Lite, I get VL for 20% off! That's over a $100 discount! w00t!