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Treasure of the Templars

Posted: Mon, 31st Jul 2006, 10:27am

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A young Indiana Jones travels from the deserts of Mexico to the highlands of Scotland at the bequest of an old friend and in search of a medieval prize - the Treasure of the Templars.

In this prequel to the trilogy, discover the origins of some of his friendships and rivalries. Journey with the young Jones as he crosses continents and gets himself into a familiar mix of action, trouble and adventure.

Filmed on location in Scotland, Paris, California, and the Roslyn Chapel.

visit www.treasureofthetemplars.com for more information about
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Posted: Mon, 31st Jul 2006, 10:59am

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This looks utterly sweet. There have been several submissions recently that really show the filmmaking prowess of our communities shining stars.

The trailer is great - well edited, well shot, great locations, great effects. There's no advice I can offer on how to make it better, because it looks amazing - and it's certainly made me want to watch the whole film. Great job smile

Any information on when/how we can get to see the finished thing? I was a bit disapointed that this was only a trailer, as it didn't mention that in the description. I suppose I'll just have to wait!

Once again, congratulations on really fantastic work!

Cheers,
Arktic.

PS - I want to hit that girl who repeatedly says "oh my" with a shovel wink Nothing personal, but I hope you were trying to make her character out to be throughly annoying!
Posted: Mon, 31st Jul 2006, 11:31am

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Hehe, an indiana Jones Fanfilm, now that's something I haven't seen before here, great. smile

First of all, congratulations on the production values. From what I see in this trailer, this has amazing effort put in into locations, costumes and lighting. Those alone make me really interested in the final product.

However, I feel the trailer is a bit of a mixed bag in total. Where production values, lighting, costumes, props and part of the cinematography look amazing, the editing of the trailer seems to miss some structure, the sound doesn't convince me (very little actual sounddesign, mostly just musc and dialogue), some of the acting appeared a bit dodgy to me.
Also, the big version wasn't properly deinterlaced and both files are wrongly output into 4:3 instead of the 16:9 it was filmed in, which is a bit if an amateurish thing to let happen imo - cause both is fixed so easily.

So these two points were also a letdown of what otherwise seems to be a high quality production! I'm certainly excited to see the final product though! Could you give us a bit more infos on it? Cause it looks like you guys are doing a hell of a job there

A solid 4 to me.
Posted: Mon, 31st Jul 2006, 12:12pm

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I've just watched your 5 minute opening from your website... Absolutely amazingly fantastically brilliant dude... Captures the spirit of the originals in every way possible.

I'm definately wanting to see the rest! Amazing stuff!
Posted: Mon, 31st Jul 2006, 12:44pm

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Filmed on location in Scotland, Paris, California, and the Roslyn Chapel.
Jeepers. And I'm having trouble getting two actors to drive twenty minutes to a nearby city. eek

This certainly looks big. Huge vistas, lots of action, what to say? This ain't your grandma's home movies. That's quite a trailer. The film work looks absolutely professional. It's frankly intimidating.

I did have a few reservations also about the shot choices and composition of the trailer, though. Initially we figure out very quickly that they've come across some sort of ancient key to a great treasure of the Order of the Knights Templar, but after that it gets kind of confusing as if I'm finding out that there's going to be lots of action if I go see this film, but I'm left without much of a clue as to any more of the plot. Perhaps that was intentional, though.

Again, there was at least one point where I had to wonder about a bit of the acting. That scene in the large hall where the one guys says, "He's in." The acting there seemed a bit forced and not on par with the professional level quality the rest of the film seems to have. But you can only tell so much from such a short clip, so perhaps in context it works perfectly. Have to see the movie to know for sure.

My big question comes from the fact that your completed film appears to be headed for some sort of release... presumably with money involved. (e.g. a theatrical release or DVDs or something?) If so, I have to ask... how do you get around the fact that (I believe) LucasFilms or whoever owns the rights to the Indiana Jones character and that whole trademark / copyright issues? I've seen lots of fanfilms here and released on MySpace and YouTube, etc. but I've never seen an actual fanfilm being released in the theatre or sold. Can you just do that? Or did you have to get permission from somebody to do it? I dont' know all the legal ins and outs of such things, so it would be educational to find out.

Still, far above an beyond any kind of home baked, no/low budget amateur piece. I gave the trailer a 4.

Oh, and I'm with Arctic. After about three scenes I was ready to hit the blonde with a half-brick in a sock. But I'm guessing that's how her character is supposed to be. biggrin
Posted: Mon, 31st Jul 2006, 1:42pm

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Sollthar wrote:


Also, the big version wasn't properly deinterlaced and both files are wrongly output into 4:3 instead of the 16:9 it was filmed in, which is a bit if an amateurish thing to let happen imo - cause both is fixed so easily.

Yea, sorry about that.

That’s my fault completely.
I have a few copies of the trailer, and I picked the highest quality version that I had to submit, and somewhere in-between the many different programs I ran it through to get the size down I lost the aspect. I’ve been in the process of fixing it since I submitted the first one, but I’ve created a few to many archive.org files lately, so I’m waiting until the files are exactly the way they should be.

The advice and comments on the movie are highly appreciated!
I am sure the cast will be very interested in what everyone has to say, though I doubt Vivien Louise-Taylor is going to be happy with the fact everyone wants to hit her with a brick razz

The real driving force behind the production is Kenneth Gawne the producer, Jonathan Lawrence the director, and Daniel Riser.
Ken started the production as nothing, and then ended up with Jonathan directing.

I joined the crew in late 2004, asking to do anything I possibly could
for the film, after I saw a post on the www.indygear.com/cow forum.
I had always wanted to make a fan film like this myself, so after I joined I’ve been doing my best to get the film out there, and other odd tasks, like making Graphics for the website, or building a stunt bullwhip for a swinging scene, calling people up and trying to get it on the national news, Securing screenings in new England and things like that. The Crew is pretty big, and everyone’s job is pretty interchangeable.

The whole thing really started way back in 2002,
when ken met up with Daniel riser, they were playing around with the idea of making a Indy fan film. They all had already collected all the screen accurate gear, so why not?

It will be released on DVD,
and it will be done so in a way that no profit is made.
That is how the whole production has to be done. Everyone is a voulenteer, nobody can get paid, or Lucas and spiel will be after the crew. razz

I’ve sent the link to the Producer, and he will be over to respond to what everyone has to say very soon.

thanks again!

Adam

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Posted: Mon, 31st Jul 2006, 1:49pm

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I've been reading through the website and I wanted to say I wish you guys a lot of success with your project - clearly, you had a lot of fun doing it (despite the hard work wink ) and your efforts deserve it no doubt.

You're the kind of filmmakers that should be a good example to everyone, with everything you put in to make your film as good as possible for what you have to work with, and the result shows in all regards!

Best wishes to each and everyone of your crew!
Posted: Tue, 1st Aug 2006, 2:20am

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well let's see...I LOVE Indiana Jones....and I do believe I will LOVE this movie. When do you plan to realease it?
Posted: Tue, 1st Aug 2006, 2:30am

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This looks great. The cinematography is fairly good, the production values rival that of a professional production, and the picture quality is excellent.

The editing, as stated before, is a mixed bag. It can't decide what type of tone it wants to take, and therefore ends up very erratic. Other than that, my biggest BIGGEST gripe is that the image looks like a XL1 or XL1s, and it's not in frame mode! (That is, if I'm right about the cam) Frame mode would add so much more of an edge to the movie, that I don't think I'd even realize it was digital.

What cam did you shoot on, and was it in frame mode? I'm just taking guesses as to what it was, but I'd really like to know.

This is superb work, man. Hope it all comes through good for you.
Posted: Tue, 1st Aug 2006, 2:32am

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Atom wrote:

This looks great. The cinematography is fairly good, the production values rival that of a professional production, and the picture quality is excellent.

The editing, as stated before, is a mixed bag. It can't decide what type of tone it wants to take, and therefore ends up very erratic. Other than that, my biggest BIGGEST gripe is that the image looks like a XL1 or XL1s, and it's not in frame mode! (That is, if I'm right about the cam) Frame mode would add so much more of an edge to the movie, that I don't think I'd even realize it was digital.

What cam did you shoot on, and was it in frame mode? I'm just taking guesses as to what it was, but I'd really like to know.

This is superb work, man. Hope it all comes through good for you.
It was shot with a Widescreen lens durring production on an
XL-2.

I lost the aspect when i was converting the version I had for the web.

Im fixing it right now and the file should be up with in the next day or so.

thanks for the words,

Adam
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Don't mean to be complaining, BUT...after watching the first 5 minutes the only thing that bothered me was Indy's gun noise and the punches. Both of those sounds were part of Indiana like Apple Pie to America
Posted: Tue, 1st Aug 2006, 2:52am

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Big Kahuna wrote:

Don't mean to be complaining, BUT...after watching the first 5 minutes the only thing that bothered me was Indy's gun noise and the punches. Both of those sounds were part of Indiana like Apple Pie to America
nah, any comments are welcome, good or bad.

Thoes sounds have been pretty widely used in the Indy universe. I think thats the point. Do you think new sounds should be created?
Posted: Tue, 1st Aug 2006, 3:02am

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Well I don't think that you should stop post just to chane the sounds around. But the sound that his gun makes and the punches are uniquely for Indy...I don't know what to say or how to describe it. But it's just one little thing but the rest looks great. I love the smirk, you really captured him good
Posted: Tue, 1st Aug 2006, 3:19am

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Big Kahuna wrote:

Well I don't think that you should stop post just to chane the sounds around. But the sound that his gun makes and the punches are uniquely for Indy...I don't know what to say or how to describe it. But it's just one little thing but the rest looks great. I love the smirk, you really captured him good
Yea,

Ken does a great job as indy and as the producer.
Im sure the editor will take everyones comments into account while hes doing the final cut which is going on right now.

Adam
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Hi.

Haven't watched it yet. I'm downloading it from the templar site.

Just wondering, tho'... Isn't there a lot of legal issues with using the Indiana Jones franchise?
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Defeto - As long as no profit is made, George Lucas is very, very accomodating in the area of fanfilms. For Star Wars he has actually had a part in organizing fanfilm contests himself.

Watched the trailer, and was quite impressed, but I strongly, strongly encourge everyone to go to the website and watch the intro footage, if you haven't already. It brilliantly captures the spirit of Indiana Jones. And I must say, that guy does a fantastic job of playing the character of Indy. Even though he doesn't look like Harrison Ford, it totally feels like you are watching the same character.
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So it is an XL2. Hmm.......then I wonder, why not shoot in frame mode, to give the image a more film-like appearance?

Sure, the image retains a high-quality, crisp, colorful image, but still...I don't see ever shooting not in frame mode, unless it's a sporting event or a documentary. The first 5-minutes look like they are in frame mode, but none of the trailer does. Strange.....

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Posted: Tue, 1st Aug 2006, 4:20am

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Well, if, for example, you wanted true 24p footage from your XL2 (which frame mode is not) you could shoot interlaced then use Magic Bullet to convert it. Frame mode buggers up the process.

I'm not saying that they did this, I'm just giving an example of why you might not shoot in frame mode.
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The Xl2 Shoots 24p. I think you are thinking of the GL2..
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He means a mode that uses progressive frames. A "frame mode". Basically 30 or 24p on the XL2 as opposed to 60i.

"Frame mode".
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This film looks superb, I'm a huge indy fan, this really captures the spirit of the originals beautifully.

Great work guys.

When do you guys plan to release the movie, is it going to be availible for download or purchase only. How long have you been making films for?

All looks promising smile
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Oh okay.

Well, my second question is something that i've had in the back of my head for a while...

I saw this Star Wars fanfilm in Sweden...they had put like 3 years and thousands of dollars to the budget and stuff...

and by the looks of this, it has a pretty noticable budget as well...
and apparently, a lot of time HAS been put into this...

So the question is; Why put so much time and money in a fanfilm instead of making something original?

Hollywood is making the same thing right now, with all their sequals and remakes... and the thing is...1/10 remake(or sequal) manages to keep it's predecessors quality.

I mean...If you have the budget, have the actors, have the equipment... I think you owe it to yourself to get an original story as well. (and by original story I don't mean a different adventure for Indy in the form of a lowbudget movie)

'cause by the looks of it, you're capable of making a film worth seeing.

Just my two cents...
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So the question is; Why put so much time and money in a fanfilm instead of making something original?
Because it is exactly that a fanfilm - people make tributes and homages to their favourite movies because they love them so much.

And, besides, people should make whatever movies makes them happy. For some people, that's fanfilms, for others, original concepts. Neither one shows any more tallent or dedication, as can be seen from such amazing films as this one!

Cheers,
Arktic.
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Just watched the first 5 minutes again. This stuff is top rate. The production values are through-the-roof. The acting on the part of the lead female in the trailer watered-down the feel and energy of the characters quite abit, but the 5 minutes really show-off a range of great, different acting. The cinematography and editing in the intro greatly, GREATLY, greatly exceed that of the trailer. I wouldn't even think they were the same movie. The few flaws that the trailer exhibited:

-Lack of Soud-design
-No build-up
-Up and Down/Zig-Zagish tone of trailer
-Breaks of several Cinematography/Framing rules
-No real form to the editing,

The intro takes these to note, and then builds on them:

-Great Music, Soud-Design, SFX
-Build-up of scene, with nice comedic cut scenes
-A constant tone of foreboding and/or imminent danger, while still keeping the Indy adventure and comedy
-A solid form and pace to the editing.

No more "Oh.....my-"s. smile
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Arktic wrote:

And, besides, people should make whatever movies makes them happy. For some people, that's fanfilms, for others, original concepts. Neither one shows any more tallent or dedication, as can be seen from such amazing films as this one!
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Well, in the larger "What is life?"-sense... yes... Everyone should do what makes them happy. But i am SURE that people would be AS happy, if not, (and more probably) HAPPIER with an original concept that they concieved and executed.

Sure, fanfilms are "cute" in their way of making a tribute to a film that the director/writer loves. And if people wanna make 'em, knock yourselves out...

But it DOES show more dedication when making something original.
It DOES show more creativity and in those aspects, it really does show more talent.

I'm not saying that WhiteShark here isn't talented or anything.

But If you, as a director/writer, have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING...and turn it into SOMETHING or even a GREAT SOMETHING.
You will have achieved so much more as an artist.
Because running every mile yourself really puts meat on YOUR legs.

With Indiana Jones and Star Wars, we have two already existing fictional worlds.

By the success of those two franchises, I'd say that those worlds are believable for what they are...

Here we have a fanfilm-director who literally takes this world that people already know of, and makes a film that takes place in it.

This may sound crazy to you, but:

It is not MY opinion. It's like a universal fact among directors/writers.
That making something yourself from scratch into something great is much more fulfilling.

And if you THINK otherwise, you have yet to achieve that.
So best of luck to you in your attempts to do so.
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It is not MY opinion. It's like a universal fact among directors/writers.... And if you THINK otherwise, you have yet to achieve that
Well, no, firstly - that IS simply your opinion, it's not an accepted 'fact', as you put it. I'd also like to point out you have no idea what my accomplishments are, so don't tell me what I have 'yet to achieve'.

And also, you've got to remember, many of the greatest works of cinema have been homages and tributes - so in a sense, fan films. I'd love to see you telling Tarrantino that the scenes and plot elemots of Reservoir Dogs he copied from Ringo Lam's City On Fire are 'cute', but his film isn't an achievement as an artist.

However, I think you mis-interpreted what I wrote. If I insert an extra word, you might get what I mean: "Neither one inherantly shows any more tallent or dedication". What I'm saying is that a badly made film based on an original concept is not inherantly better than a well-produced fanfilm just because it's a fanfilm in and of itself- Treasure of the Templars, for example, is a much more impressive acchievement than many 'original' independent movies that I've seen.

But i am SURE that people would be AS happy, if not, (and more probably) HAPPIER with an original concept that they concieved and executed.
And I'm sure that you're wrong - some people enjoy making fanfilms - maybe you don't, but some do. So let them enjoy it, and don't try and claim some artistic highground.

Cheers,
Arktic.
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Defeto wrote:

This may sound crazy to you, but:

It is not MY opinion. It's like a universal fact among directors/writers.
That making something yourself from scratch into something great is much more fulfilling.

And if you THINK otherwise, you have yet to achieve that.
So best of luck to you in your attempts to do so.
There would be no film being made if this was not a fan film. The crew was brought together with Indiana Jones, so if we wanted to do something original it would be completely diffrent in every which way.
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It is not MY opinion. It's like a universal fact among directors/writers.
That making something yourself from scratch into something great is much more fulfilling.
Thats one of the most ignorant things I've heard in a while. I dont feel like explaining myself because Arktic said everything I feel already.

BTW did you all know (and this is not my opinion but a universal fact between all men) that if you pee next to someone in a bathroom with out a urinal in between you, it means youre gay. I know.. its crazy..

Anyways, the trailer is alright in my opinion. Mainly because of the music choice and editing. BUT the first 5 minutes of the movie was amazing. Really had me sucked in. I'm rdy to see the finished product man. Best of luck.
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Defeto wrote:

But it DOES show more dedication when making something original.
It DOES show more creativity and in those aspects, it really does show more talent.
That MAY be true if there was something original to make out there. I forget who said this (and I'm paraphrasing): "There is nothing original in Hollywood anymore."

However even if there was something original to make, I'm not so sure that it takes more dedication and more talent. If you were trying to pay homage to someone else (ala fanfilm) then I think it takes more to capture the true essence in emulating something before you.

Doing something original allows you the freedom of not being compared to something before.
I'll give you an example. In the comic book world, Rob Liefield said in an interview that the way he broke into Marvel Comics was that he submitted artwork with his own original characters because he didn't want to be compared to other artist before him by drawing established characters like Spiderman, Captain America etc. So it was easier for him to draw characters never seen before.

I don't think he's more talented for that, and for the record, his artwork is not that great.

Just my opinion.

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CX3 wrote:




Anyways, the trailer is alright in my opinion. Mainly because of the music choice and editing. BUT the first 5 minutes of the movie was amazing. Really had me sucked in. I'm rdy to see the finished product man. Best of luck.
The music was original music from Raiders of the lost ark.
The final film will have a Brand new orchestral score by a Scottish orchestra.

Adam
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I said:

It is not MY opinion. It's like a universal fact among directors/writers.
That making something yourself from scratch into something great is much more fulfilling.

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...and i Really didn't think you'd take it as literally as i put it. So that was my mistake.

This isn't like saying "Meatballs are better than strawberry, it'sa fact with anyone who has ever eaten."

Firstly, there ARE exceptions...
But in the situation of making something original, there are so few exceptions that it's rounded up as a 100%er...

Like for example...
In soccer, It would be much more fulfilling to make that last goal (or help make that last goal by playing well in the game) in the finals, instead of sitting on the bench watching your team win.

This is not a FACT, as such. Neither is that of original filmmaking.

But you see where i'm going with it...

Secondly, I am well-aware that EVERY creation is inspired by something.
Every film is inspired by some other film and/or book/comic...the list of inspirational means go on...

Also, i am well-aware of Tarantinos MASSIVE homagepaying in his movies. I know he gets butchered on fanboards everyday for "STEALING EVERYTHING! HE SUCKS!!!"

And as for originality, I really doubt i have to tell you that
when you get inspired by something (pay an homage to it/steal it, depending on how u look at it) you do such, and take YOUR artistic preferences and YOUR direction, add a little more spice of inspiration from some other movie perhaps, and by the end you should have something of your own. Something Original in the only way possible to make something original these days.

Arktic - I don't know what your accomplishments are, no. You don't have to get into defence-stance so quickly, I wasn't attacking you.
If you have executed some original greatness, I'd love to see it.

And I have no problem with people being happy making fanfilms. I didn't suggest he should do what makes him unhappy.

If you don't want to discuss the subject, you don't have to try to conclude every post with "Just let him do what makes him happy, and stop talking about stuff that i don't agree with."


WhiteShark - There is a difference between paying an homage, and making the entire film/characters/world/sets/costumes, the homage to the SAME movie.

Not wanting to get into what Tarantino does and doesn't do, but the yellow tracksuit The Bride wore, was an homage to the one Bruce Lee wore. That does not make Kill Bill a "Game of Death"-fanfilm.

CX3 - ...I'll be right with you. I gotta hold my sides in order to laugh hard. Can't type at the same time.

Cheers, Dudes.
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I too believe an original work needs more talent then a fanfilm, simply because fanfilms work in an already established universe, so you don't have to establish that and create that from spot, work out the rules etc.

But don't get me wrong, a well made fanfilm can be TONS better then any half well made original work and this looks absolutely amazing and indeed MUCH better then many original movies I've seen.


If I may be so blunt to ask... What is your budget on the film? If you don't want to tell, that's fine, but I'm very curious... international locations, big props, big sets, orchestral score... that surely must cost more then 100 $


"There is nothing original in Hollywood anymore."
Ah, come one... the "bad eveil hollywood" gets really really old. But if you want: Since the ancient greeks there is no story untold yet. The only thing you can do is reassemble parts of stories that already have been told. Hollywood has very little to do with this.
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Sollthar wrote:

I too believe an original work needs more talent then a fanfilm, simply because fanfilms work in an already established universe, so you don't have to establish that and create that from spot, work out the rules etc.
This is an interesting debate. One aspect that hasn't been covered yet that ties in directly is that of sequels. Specifically: bad sequels.

If creating a fanfilm or something based on a existing work is so easy, how come so many sequels are really, really bad?

Creating a generic fanfilm is not difficult, as shown by the bjillions of Star Wars fanfilms out there. Creating an original movie is much more challenging than that.

However, to create a fanfilm/sequel that lives up to the quality of the original is very, very difficult. I've seen many great 'original concept' movies, but I've never seen a Star Wars fanfilm that lives up to my enthusiasm for the original movies.

Getting the right props etc is something anyone can do, with a bit of time and patience. To capture the spirit of the original, however, takes real skill - and it's something that these guys seem to have got spot on with their Indiana Jones movie.

A fanfilm doesn't need to invent a universe or characters etc, but it does have to capture the essence of the original, or it will fail utterly. Just take a look at the Batman and Matrix sequels to see how badly it can go wrong, even when you're playing in a very successful and established fictional universe.

An original concept might require more initial imagination, but other than that I don't really see a difference in the talent requirement, myself.

So, to sum up my rambling points...I wouldn't generally agree that an original concept requires more talent than a fanfilm/sequel/homage etc. It just requires different talents.
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Hehe, I didn't mean to start a debate... Sorry.. smile

If creating a fanfilm or something based on a existing work is so easy
No no, it's not EASY. What I said doesn't work the other way round. Creating a good fanfilm very very difficult, since you have to capture the essence of the original, as you said. I didn't mean to say it's easy or doen't require a GREAT amount of talent, as shown here.

But still, there's a lot of rules already established. You don't have to think much about establishing the universe. People know who indy is, what he does. People know how jedis are, why they are like they are etc so you don't have to focus on that too much. What you have to focus on is the capturing of the essence, which I agree with Tarn, is ultimately hard to do.

But still I believe creating an entire universe from scratch, where you have no ground an audience could stand on already established, where you have to establish everything yourself, think of every detail yourself etc, needs more creativity in my opinion.
Look at Art of the Sabre... You have lightsabres and already it's a Star Wars fanfilm that is considered by many as OMGBESTTHINGEVAAARRR. I'd be surprised if the EXACT same film had the same appeal if they dressed as 16th century french swordsman and had no reference to Star Wars. Honestly, I doubt it.

Anyways, I don't want to diminish this work or any other fanwork in the slightest. When I say "I believe original concepts are more difficult to do" does that in no way mean "fanfilms are easy and worth nothing". Both are ultimately hard to do right, ultimately hard and most people fail at both utterly. I just believe you as aan artist can get that slight tip higher with an original film if done right, as you don't base part of your success on the basis someone else established. Then again, you most likely always do in parts.
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Tarn. You are very right, sir.

It requires different talents, indeed...

But the thing about capturing the essence of an already established universe is that it's done by capturing the essence of a universe someone ELSE created. In order to do that, You'd have to just to try to do whatever the previous maker did...and THAT is why it's hard to do that.

The thing that's easy about selling the story is that the film in which the fanfilm is an homage to, has already given the viewer aaaall the background, all the character depth and so on...

If, for instance, you watch a Star Wars fanfilm that might appear very well-made, if you take a second and look at how they presented Jedis, you'd probably see that they have no real/proper introduction as to What they are. Just because the viewer has been given this from the original Star Wars.

In that sense, the fanfilm-director or writer didn't really break a sweat there...

And I really am not "dissing" anyone's film here, I'm just expressing my opinions about fanfilms and such, so I don't want you guys to get offended by anything i say.
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It probably depends entirely on how your minds works, too. For example, I'm currently writing an original novel set in my own created 'universe' with my own characters. Personally, I find that much, much easier than having to write something set within somebody else's universe.

I've never found creating fictional settings to be particularly difficult, though I fully agree that the manner in which you introduce that setting to the audience is crucial, and something that fanfilm/sequel makers don't have to worry about so much.

But it's a double-edged sword (as always!), in that the familiarity can be precisely what makes your fanfilm fail. An average quality fanfilm will probably seem much worse than an average original film, because it will be inevitably compared to the superior original.

Either way, Templars looks great. biggrin The first 5 minutes also clearly highlight the giant gulf between fanfilms that get it 'right' and your average fanfilm which 'has it easy'.
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Yeah this trailer is ok but when compared with the first 5 minutes I'd say this is doing your film a massive injustice.

Its unusual to have a cinema submission which can be compared against what is almost the finished article, so i'm not really sure how to review this.

Its a PROVEN FACTOMGOMG!1 that trailers are hard to do well and comparing this trailer against the first 5 minutes illustrates this perfectly.

I felt the trailer was rushed, confusing as hell, with seemingly random snipets of footage joined in a seamFULL fashion which made little sense.

The first 5 minutes of the film though: HOT DAMN! I'm a massive Indy fan and its been a year or two since i've seen one of the Indy films, so for me this was literally spine-tingling!

I'm not too sure about your Indy actor - he doesn't have the build or carriage of Ford - I'd say hes a bit too weedy to fill the Indy boots. He does do it all well though, hes just no Harrison Ford razz

Its hard to pass any kind of comment on just 5 minutes of a film, but i did notice one or two missed tricks, which I suspect are indicative of the final product.

Like the score, for example, which is nicely Williams-esque in its constant presence and mood adaption, but failed to adapt enough. Was it snippets of the actual score or not? i couldn't tell. As soon as Indy notices "the very nice artifact", it was a prime opportunity for the music to simplify and soar, deeper strings, brass section, that rising, tinkly percussion thing used for 'magical' scenes etc. CUE unobscured close-up, CUE glint of light. The kind of music/cutting combination which ensures you know its important. All but the music happened just a couple of seconds later, of course, but the moment has passed: the artifact felt comparatively unimportant.

On a character development point, I would have liked to see Indy emerge from the desert sweating and knackered too (rather than fresh-faced and clean), before punching out the guard.

Half of Indy's appeal is the fact that he IS only human and can be weakenned, but still musters the strength and foolhardiness to punch out people and do all the stuff he does.

It was rather incongruous too, that after stumbling through the desert, visibly struggling a little, he approaches the guard and punches him, then bends down to show the camera quite how implausibly fresh-out-the-salon he looks!

Anyway, this is all irrelevant and i imagine theres nothing you could do about it anyway even if you did agree. The movie looks superb, I eagerly await it smile
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FANtastic (sorry)!! The guy even had the Indy body manerisms down. The jumps-great! Anything less than a 5 is a huge injustice.
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!

That was exelent!

Im a massive Indiana Fan and that got me goen good, well done, 4/5 and my top 10.

Well done!
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Sollthar wrote:

"There is nothing original in Hollywood anymore."
Ah, come one... the "bad eveil hollywood" gets really really old. But if you want: Since the ancient greeks there is no story untold yet. The only thing you can do is reassemble parts of stories that already have been told. Hollywood has very little to do with this.
Heheh, I'm not a Hollywood basher so much as I was trying to make a point about originality. You are right, that point could be taken further to ancient times... absolutely.
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Well this is the first time in two-three years I have posted on here but the topic is so cool. Now first off, the Templars trailer was good, at least I can tell that there was some effort being made into this other seeing another so called "fanfilm" that just has a bunch of guys swinging light sabers around in their backyard.

Now for the subject of thier being nothing new in Hollywood. I would have to agree to a point. Hollywood or mainly the studios, keep making the same formulaic films because they mostly work from a financial stand point. They know that if they make the script to be somewhat similiar to another movie they were successful with they will get thier money back. That is why so many movies when they are categorized or reviewed, people will say, it's like the matrix or whatever. This is why you see most of your more original movies being independants, such as Primer.

As for fanfilms, its a double standard as the hollywood line of non originality but to a point. All of us are trying to make something new but it would be a lie to say that we aren't copying something. Such as action films, back in the 80's we thought the action was cool until you get the hong kong style of action from movies like the Killer and Hard Boiled. Now everyone does stuff like that. Fan films can be good if you take something from the universe and try to make something interesting and cool. Such as Batman: Dead End. Was there a story really? NO but it was something that they did outside of the universe and worked. As for Art of the Saber I really enjoyed that film but for the martial arts, not the lightsabers, actually I think the sabers are a lame addition. But honestly would they have gotten as much notice with it just being staffs or some other weapon. Same as the kids that made the Indiana Jones movie for the last 10 years, it got them noticed by Spielberg. Yeah originaliry is good but how easy is it to get noticed more from making a fanfilm, look at TROOPS.

As for Rob Liefeld, now I know you said you don't like him, which thank God, but he is not really a good person to use as an example. For one, I have serious doubts that he did it all by showing him his art without ANY established characters, and if he didn't borrow then, well he has for the rest of his career, I have seen side by side drawings of his stuff with other people's and he has stolen so much, BUT would that be called Fan Art then?

Film is film, if a universe is established or not, the time and effort that someone makes on a film as well as entertaining is what should be looked at. Now I really enjoy this site and I have enjoyed most of Sollthar's and CX3's stuff, because they are putting an effort into it. But to be honest, how many more, "I did this in the last two days and put it on here" test or whatever just so people can have some footage on the web, and someone to kiss thier ass saying they liked it? I have no problem with any of that, but put some effort into it a bit, otherwise you might as well do lightsaber test blogs and put them on youtube.

Well that's my rant on it, keep up the good work Sollthar and CX.
PEACE!
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Suicide Squirrel wrote:

...but put some effort into it a bit, otherwise you might as well do lightsaber test blogs and put them on youtube...
It requires a lot of effort just to go out and film anything. When you have no funding and not enough money to buy anything to make things easier, sometimes a simple fight is all some people can manage.

I do think that spending time on writing a story is essential, original or not, but having enough time and money to go out and film on location in different areas is something I find really hard.

Anyway about the trailer... I'm sure I can't write anything new about it as so many people have said the same thing, however I will just say that it was amazing. The first five minutes of the film were really well done and I can't wait for more! Well done.

- rstudios
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That was incrediable work. I just downloaded the first five minutes and wow, you really got the "Indy" feel to the peice. I'm really anxious to see the final product. Even though your actor doesn't have the build of Ford or River Pheonix, his acting makes up for this. Superb, five stars and on my top ten.

Btw, just out of curiousity, what was your budget for this?

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Despite some really off editing, this was pretty good. I look forward to it.
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This looks very promising, will the completed movie be posted here? Anyway, I'm off to download that 5 minute segment now. I absolutely couldn't find anything to complain about in the trailer (except for interlacing and aspect ratio, but that has been covered smile).

5 out of 5

Best luck to you and the whole filmmaking crew!
That guy in the white hat (in the 5-minute opening) looks exactly like the guy with the white hat in Raiders of the Lost Ark (yeah, I don't know his name razz)
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4/5 and I must say, even though it's a fanfilm, this is one of the few films I am hyped about being released on FXH. Looks awesome. 4/5 for a not amazing trailer (though from the footage I knew it was promising, which is why I am so pumped and not willing to give a 5/5.) I rarely give trailers above a 3 lately, and that's usually for a flawless editing. The only thing I didn't like that I know will be a flaw in the film, is the lead actress's acting. I wouldn't have cast her personally, but it is something I can easily get past for what looks like an Indiana Jones quality film. I love when I see a fanfilm worthy of being part of the series because I always want more when I see the originals.

Also, when you are done, I think you should release a downloadable DVD file.
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Preview for it was not very good. If I saw it in a theater, I would think the movie would be pretty bad. But based off of your footage, I think the movie will be pretty good.

Some other notes. Your video quality looks like Reality TV/Behind the scenes featuretts, so I dunno if you wanted to try and give it more of a film look or not, but anyways, it looks good enough, imo.

I guess one thing that I would try to work on is the sound, its too amatuer. Maybe you can fiddle around with the bass and treble, ect and try and get it to more of a film sound.

Just some notes I wanted to point out from watching it. Video quality was perfectly fine if you decided to leave it the way it is, but I think the dialouge could use some work, if thats possible. Looks like a lot of action, and I can't wait to see the final outcome of this project.
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Looks great guys! I'm excited. Only thing is that it looks squeezed. Like it's supposed to be widescreen but it's just 4:3. I'm not sure if it's just my codecs aren't translating it correctly, or somebody forgot to tell the ouput codec that it's a 1.2 (16:9) pixel aspect instead of .9 (4:3). I put it in Vegas and told it the aspect was widescreen and it looked great (but Vegas thought it was 4:3 like WMP did), so you guys might want to re-export it and make sure your settings were right (again, it may just be my codecs though).

My only criticisms (& I understand this is just a trailer, so none of it may be there in the final film) is that the whip sounds are weak and the Indiana Jones logo is lame. As somebody who's used a real bullwhip (used to be quite good), the sounds acompanying Indy's motions seem very fake. You need less popping or "cracking" and more of the whoosh of the whip sailing through the air. Also the Jones logo looks like you took it from a screen capture of Fate of Atlantis. If you guys need some help on either the whip sounds or the logo, let me know. I have some resources/abilities that will help. Other than that, this looks awesome, I'm jealous. I wish I could work on it with you all!
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Thanks for the responses everyone,



Only thing is that it looks squeezed. Like it's supposed to be widescreen but it's just 4:3. I'm not sure if it's just my codecs aren't translating it correctly, or somebody forgot to tell the ouput codec that it's a 1.2 (16:9) pixel aspect instead of .9 (4:3). I put it in Vegas and told it the aspect was widescreen and it looked great (but Vegas thought it was 4:3 like WMP did), so you guys might want to re-export it and make sure your settings were right (again, it may just be my codecs though).

WhiteShark wrote:

Sollthar wrote:


Also, the big version wasn't properly deinterlaced and both files are wrongly output into 4:3 instead of the 16:9 it was filmed in, which is a bit if an amateurish thing to let happen imo - cause both is fixed so easily.

Yea, sorry about that.

That’s my fault completely.
I have a few copies of the trailer, and I picked the highest quality version that I had to submit, and somewhere in-between the many different programs I ran it through to get the size down I lost the aspect. I’ve been in the process of fixing it since I submitted the first one, but I’ve created a few to many archive.org files lately, so I’m waiting until the files are exactly the way they should be.


Adam
I put it into Vegas, premiere, and even after effects, and I still cant
get a good fix that’s worth uploading. The file was 9:16, but I put it through a lot trying to compress it, and lost the size along the way.
The trailer on the main website is the correct aspect.

As for the whip cracking noises,
I’ve been making and cracking bullwhips for 3 years, and the sounds in the opening sequence are pretty good.
www.wolfpitwhips.com

The reason the logo looks like a FOA screen capture is just because the codec for the download version is not that good, but its really hard to keep it good looking and quickly downloadable for people with slow connections. I’ve got a copy of the opening on DVD and its pretty crisp. Not what Its going to look like in the end though.

A new logo is being put together, I had started making it myself, but I was unfamiliar with vector images, so I had to drop out of it. If you know a thing or two about vectors we could use the help biggrin The final logo is based off the Raiders logo, without
Indiana Jones in it.



I think when its released all you have to do is pay shipping, and you can have a copy of the DVD sent to your door biggrin Its something very similar to that. In the end if there’s any cost, it will only be for supplies per DVD, since no money can be made, so even then it will still be very cheap. A downloadable DVD file would a awesome idea, but the final DVD is possibly going to be a 3-4 disk set, with many different features. There’s a making of video, a documentary about crossing the Sahara (a publicity stunt done by ken for the film) and a lot of other cool stuff.

Regards,

Adam

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Thanks for all the info. I'll check into getting you some help on that logo. I'm not a vector person myself, but I know a guy....

On the whip sounds, I just meant in the trailer. The opening sequence seems fairly polished, no problems there.

I can't wait to see the rest of the film. Keep up the great work.

You can check out the Teaser for my Indy fanfilm (sorta) here at the cinema: Jefferson Jones & Jax Skywalker - Trailer

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I did some 2nd camera work on "Treasure of the Templar" and I'm glad to see everyone as excited about this films release as the crew was making it. I have had the pleasure of watching many additional scenes not in the trailer and you guys that love fx are in for a real treat. After getting a chance to meet the crew I believe focused and persistant passion was the main ingredient that made this film possible. A purely wonderful filmmaking experience. I look foward its fourth coming premiere.

To be notified as soon as it's release please send an email request to:

timelessentertainment@gmail.com

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http://www.treasureofthetemplars.com/



Thank you for all the kind words. Now spread the word!

- Brett Erskine
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Or I could just post about the premiere when it happens wink
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Thank you for offering WhiteShark. There will also be a traditional in person premiere and other events surrounding this film. There is even some talk of a seperate "behind the scenes/how to" DVD so please drop us an email and keep checking in on the website for all of the latest details.

In fact we would love to hear your opinion:

Would be interested in purchasing a behind the scenes/how to dvd disc? or downloadable DVD file?

If so, what topics about the making of this film and/or independent filmmaking would YOU like to see included on this DVD.

Give us your opinion here or by email.

Thanks guys
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Lighting, camera rigging, and special effects is what I'd like to see a "how-to" of. But perhaps include the actual movie on the how-to DVD.
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I've got places set up to screen the film for a premiere/screening
for the northeast.
The locations are in Worcester , ma and Hammondsport, NY.
In both cases the hosters are looking foward to show the film,
its just a matter of waiting till the film is completed so the
actual dates can be determined. So its just a lot of waiting.
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Awesome trailer. 5/5 I Can't wait to see the full movie.



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heh great looking trailer cant say much to help you becuase it was so good the thing that really kept me watching was the overall cenimatic fill of the trailer. im also currently working on a indiana jones movie, nothing this Impessive but its fun to make.

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I just copied it off the typical adventure font.

It was all done in photoshop, Including the profile pictures on the download page.

Adam
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UPDATE!~!


I just got off the phone with Jonathan Lawrence. He is meeting with the films composer tomorrow to discuss the soundtrack, and the film is moving along slowly but surely.

It's an international effort, and it will be worth the long wait everyone has gone through. Everyone is in for a serious treat when this project is finished You will seriously be stunned when you see what has been put together.... Very Happy Applause

Be on the lookout for some more announcements and developments in the next couple months.

There will be a screening of Raiders of the lost ark The adaptation at Real Art Ways in Hartford CT in November.
I will be there to represent Templars, anyone who thinks they can make it...come...You wont regret it;) I'll post the exact dates once I've got them locked in.

In the meantime, be sure to check out the treasure of the Templars page on FXhome.com. The page features high quality versions of the opening of the film and the trailer, newly re-compressed for easier downloading and higher quality, hosted on archive.org. It's all possible thanks to the new FX home program video Wrap. That software rocks.

http://fxhome.com/cinema/view/2356/treasure-of-the-templars

Adam
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THAT WAS AWESOME!!
That was so cool! Is the full thing ready yet!
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What happened to this film!??? It looked so promising and now everything related to it seems dead. No news from anyone!? Are you guys still around and do you still want me to see about spiffying up that logo a bit?
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As far as I know,
the score is currently being created, and the editing is mostly completed. The last I heard they wanted to premiere it around may 20th or so, about when the new Indy Film comes out. This project started in 2001!!!! It really has been a long haul.

I'm just a "communicator" though, I set up screenings etc, all that type of stuff. As soon as its going to be screened you guys will be the first to know about it. Its not too long off now.
Posted: Wed, 30th Apr 2008, 5:28pm

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the Fiddler

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Will the full film be availalbe here on FXhome?
Posted: Wed, 8th Oct 2008, 10:37pm

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MoltenWhale

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How did you make the title effects? I've always wanted to make a Indiana Jones title.

P.S. I have the font they use.
Posted: Sun, 23rd May 2010, 5:16pm

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Abu Tahnoon

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Posted: Sun, 23rd May 2010, 5:19pm

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Abu Tahnoon

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You serious man of cinema eek


I love to learn, but do not know language Anaklise: oops:

I love you Iabtal